Quoted: Heard of food stamps or habitat for humanity?  This post is for trollaccount.

So then poverty is a myth?

You mean no one is lacking food, clothing and shelter - they're just choosing to not take what the gov't is giving them?

Then why do all the Democrats cry about people not having "good-paying jobs"? WHO NEEDS JOBS WHEN THE GOV'T WILL GIVE FREE FOOD, CLOTHING, HOUSING and MEDICAL CARE TO ANYONE WITHOUT A JOB???

Quoted: I want to preserve my 2nd Amendment rights. I want a leader who will not waiver in the face of terrorism. I want a President who shows exactly what his intentions are for the country. I want someone who honors the Executive Branch of the government. I agree with President Bush's economic policies. I feel the same way as GWB does on education standards. I want a Commander in Chief who supports our troops. I want a real President. I want George W. Bush.

I couldn't agree more, when the going gets tough he dosen't change his mind and sticks to his guns, no pun intended and pulls no punches. I like to be told staight out none of this sissy crap of I can't decide.
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Quoted: Quoted: Hey! I make under 30K a year too! I qualify as poor--hip hip hooray! Dammit, all this time I've been slaving away at this job, just to provide housing, food and health insurance for myself and my family, when all along I was entitled to it free from the gooberment as just compensation for my "victimhood" status. Ohh.. wait a minute... I just remembered... I can't take advantage of any of that because I am NOT a slacker, scumbag, socialist, freeloading piece of crap. Damn these values of mine.   Whats the name of your health insurance company?

Why do you ask?

Can you tell me bush's plan?  ANyone?

What about iran?  Wait they didnt embarass daddy.

What about North Korea?  Wait they have no oil or money.

What about Egypt?  Wait all they have are pyramids and an evil dictator.  You gotta have oil and an evil dictator before america will intervein.

Ok, why dont you tell us something we dont ever hear on this board, what is good about sKerry since you sound like you are voting for him? Are you a union worker who beleives the line of shit your union puts out? (I say this because of your screen name)

Quoted: Quoted: Heard of food stamps or habitat for humanity?  This post is for trollaccount. So then poverty is a myth? You mean no one is lacking food, clothing and shelter - they're just choosing to not take what the gov't is giving them? Then why do all the Democrats cry about people not having "good-paying jobs"? WHO NEEDS JOBS WHEN THE GOV'T WILL GIVE FREE FOOD, CLOTHING, HOUSING and MEDICAL CARE TO ANYONE WITHOUT A JOB???

I would guess the democrats are complaining about not having a good paying job because they are being outsourced to third world countries who will do the work for pennies on the dollar.  Boeing had layoffs going back 15 years.  You cant work at boeing.  The president you so love is trying to give temporary work visas to illegal immagrants so they can come over here and do the work cheaper than an american family man can afford to.  Do you not see this or do you just try to deny it?

Because has a lot of guts, makes a lot of risky political moves, but always comes out ahead.  The whole world seems like it's against him, Bush shrugs them off, does what knows is right.  The newspapers, Michael Moore, political hacks, associated scumbags keep making fake scandals and slanders about how Bush is a Nazi, caused Enron, is eating the world and poisoning the environment, destroying the country, lying to the people, in the pockets of both the Saudis and the Jews (however that works) and over and over, Bush turns out to be right in the end.  

Kind of reminds of of Israel.  The world cant stand it, hates it, blames it for everything, wishes it would die, but the Israelis keep plugging along and WINNING, and never apologizing for their right to exist.

And best of all, Bush sees the UN and France for the sick amoral entities they are, and recognizes our contrary interests with France and the UN, and treats them accordingly. I just love the guy.

Can you tell me bush's plan?  ANyone?                         To kill the terrorists where they live, not on our soil.

What about iran?  Wait they didnt embarass daddy.                  Kerry would give them Nuclear fuel, that better?

What about North Korea?  Wait they have no oil or money.          Give in to their blackmail like Kerry?

What about Egypt?  Wait all they have are pyramids and an evil dictator.  You gotta have oil and an evil dictator before america will intervein.          

What's Kerry's plan for Egypt? Haven't heard about Egypt from either Kerry or Bush.



Edited for ease of reading.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hey! I make under 30K a year too! I qualify as poor--hip hip hooray! Dammit, all this time I've been slaving away at this job, just to provide housing, food and health insurance for myself and my family, when all along I was entitled to it free from the gooberment as just compensation for my "victimhood" status. Ohh.. wait a minute... I just remembered... I can't take advantage of any of that because I am NOT a slacker, scumbag, socialist, freeloading piece of crap. Damn these values of mine.   Whats the name of your health insurance company? Why do you ask?

2 reasons.  First i want to know if you pay for your own expensive health insurance or if your company does.

And i want to know if its an HMO.  They leave you to rot and die, ive seen it first hand from someone who worked her whole life as a nurse.  I had to buy her perscriptions because the HMO didnt pick up the tab until she was almost dead.  This was during the Clinton era though and cant be blamed on Bush.  That might make some of you happy.

Quoted: Can you tell me bush's plan?  ANyone? What about iran?  Wait they didnt embarass daddy. What about North Korea?  Wait they have no oil or money. What about Egypt?  Wait all they have are pyramids and an evil dictator.  You gotta have oil and an evil dictator before america will intervein. Ok, why dont you tell us something we dont ever hear on this board, what is good about sKerry since you sound like you are voting for him? Are you a union worker who beleives the line of shit your union puts out? (I say this because of your screen name)

I dont work for a union anymore cause i now live in a right to work state.  And no i am not voting kerry.  I dont believe in the 2 party system.

Quoted: I would guess the democrats are complaining about not having a good paying job because they are being outsourced to third world countries who will do the work for pennies on the dollar.

Who needs a job if the gov't will give you everything you need for free?

Quoted: Boeing had layoffs going back 15 years.  You cant work at boeing.

I know quite a few people who work at Boeing. And Boeing isn't the only place to work in this country. If no one will hire you - maybe the problem lies with you.

Quoted: The president you so love is trying to give temporary work visas to illegal immagrants so they can come over here and do the work cheaper than an american family man can afford to.  Do you not see this or do you just try to deny it?

I don't like ANY of the candidate's immigration policies, at least George Bush has the LEAST offensive policy.  And George Bush has far more positives to vote for him to counter the negative immigration policy of his.

Quoted: Because has a lot of guts, makes a lot of risky political moves, but always comes out ahead.  The whole world seems like it's against him, Bush shrugs them off, does what knows is right.  The newspapers, Michael Moore, political hacks, associated scumbags keep making fake scandals and slanders about how Bush is a Nazi, caused Enron, is eating the world and poisoning the environment, destroying the country, lying to the people, in the pockets of both the Saudis and the Jews (however that works) and over and over, Bush turns out to be right in the end.   Kind of reminds of of Israel.  The world cant stand it, hates it, blames it for everything, wishes it would die, but the Israelis keep plugging along and WINNING, and never apologizing for their right to exist. And best of all, Bush sees the UN and France for the sick amoral entities they are, and recognizes our contrary interests with France and the UN, and treats them accordingly. I just love the guy.

Dude, Israel drives tanks through the homes of palestinians who dont even own guns.  

Quoted: Can you tell me bush's plan?  ANyone?                         To kill the terrorists where they live, not on our soil. What about iran?  Wait they didnt embarass daddy.                  Kerry would give them Nuclear fuel, that better? What about North Korea?  Wait they have no oil or money.          Give in to their blackmail like Kerry? What about Egypt?  Wait all they have are pyramids and an evil dictator.  You gotta have oil and an evil dictator before america will intervein.           What's Kerry's plan for Egypt? Haven't heard about Egypt from either Kerry or Bush. Edited for ease of reading.

If thats his plan why have we not invaded Saudi Arabia, Iran, or North Korea?  Neither one has a plan, and i never said Kerry did.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hey! I make under 30K a year too! I qualify as poor--hip hip hooray! Dammit, all this time I've been slaving away at this job, just to provide housing, food and health insurance for myself and my family, when all along I was entitled to it free from the gooberment as just compensation for my "victimhood" status. Ohh.. wait a minute... I just remembered... I can't take advantage of any of that because I am NOT a slacker, scumbag, socialist, freeloading piece of crap. Damn these values of mine.   Whats the name of your health insurance company? Why do you ask? 2 reasons.  First i want to know if you pay for your own expensive health insurance or if your company does. And i want to know if its an HMO.  They leave you to rot and die, ive seen it first hand from someone who worked her whole life as a nurse.  I had to buy her perscriptions because the HMO didnt pick up the tab until she was almost dead.  This was during the Clinton era though and cant be blamed on Bush.  That might make some of you happy.

Nope, not an HMO. I personally pay one third, company picks up the rest.

Quoted: Nope, not an HMO. I personally pay one third, company picks up the rest.

"company picks up the rest".

No it doesn't - YOU do. (and so do the company's customers)

Quoted: Quoted: I would guess the democrats are complaining about not having a good paying job because they are being outsourced to third world countries who will do the work for pennies on the dollar. Who needs a job if the gov't will give you everything you need for free? Quoted: Boeing had layoffs going back 15 years.  You cant work at boeing. I know quite a few people who work at Boeing. And Boeing isn't the only place to work in this country. If no one will hire you - maybe the problem lies with you. Quoted: The president you so love is trying to give temporary work visas to illegal immagrants so they can come over here and do the work cheaper than an american family man can afford to.  Do you not see this or do you just try to deny it? I don't like ANY of the candidate's immigration policies, at least George Bush has the LEAST offensive policy.  And George Bush has far more positives to vote for him to counter the negative immigration policy of his.

Is that all you can say about outsourcing?  "Who needs a job if the gov't will give you everything you need for free?"  

I have a job thanks, im not looking to work at boeing.  Are you going to dodge the outsourcing and work visas all day?  Kerry wants to reject the work visas and keep our borders patroled as usual.  YOur last comment made no sense.

Mostly because of how much a second Bush term would piss off liberal trolls like union2k2.

Quoted: Quoted: Nope, not an HMO. I personally pay one third, company picks up the rest. "company picks up the rest". No it doesn't - YOU do. (and so do the company's customers)

Point taken.

Quoted: Quoted: Because has a lot of guts, makes a lot of risky political moves, but always comes out ahead.  The whole world seems like it's against him, Bush shrugs them off, does what knows is right.  The newspapers, Michael Moore, political hacks, associated scumbags keep making fake scandals and slanders about how Bush is a Nazi, caused Enron, is eating the world and poisoning the environment, destroying the country, lying to the people, in the pockets of both the Saudis and the Jews (however that works) and over and over, Bush turns out to be right in the end.   Kind of reminds of of Israel.  The world cant stand it, hates it, blames it for everything, wishes it would die, but the Israelis keep plugging along and WINNING, and never apologizing for their right to exist. And best of all, Bush sees the UN and France for the sick amoral entities they are, and recognizes our contrary interests with France and the UN, and treats them accordingly. I just love the guy. Dude, Israel drives tanks through the homes of palestinians who dont even own guns.

Dude, then should stop sending kids wearing bomb belts into schools, buses, restaurants, and Seder dinners in Israel.  It's not like average Palestinians disapprove of suicide bombers.  Most of them enthusiastically support anything to strike at Israel.

Most of those innocent Palestinian homes were the houses of the bombers' families, or sit atop of tunnels running under the Egyptian border where the Palestinians get their weapons and explosives.  

In his bid for reelection, George W. Bush deserves the support of conservatives. His presidency has not turned out as anyone expected. The country was struck hard early in his term. He rose to the occasion. The terrorists had to be hunted down, and our defenses had to be strengthened: On these points there was a consensus. Bush took a fateful, and necessary, further step: The political culture of the Middle East had to be changed as well, lest it incubate more terrorists. Bush has overseen progress on all three fronts. Afghanistan is no longer a secure base for terrorists. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan seem to be responding, ever so slowly and inadequately, to American pressure to side with us in the war on terrorism. The Pakistani nuclear bazaar has been shut down. Libya has agreed to dismantle its nuclear program. Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq is no longer a threat to our interests in the region, and the country has begun to take its first halting steps toward decent self-government. Law enforcement has gotten new tools with which to investigate and deter terrorist plots. Bush has reduced the gravest threat we face, that of terrorists with weapons of mass destruction.

There have been mistakes along the way. Bush relied on flawed intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. When the error became apparent, he did not admit it forthrightly and explain to the American public why regime change was nonetheless necessary. Bush allowed bickering between departments of his administration to complicate post-war operations. He backed off in Fallujah in April, with grave consequences. Bush's diplomacy toward Europe has lacked vigor and far-sightedness. If Bush understands that continued European integration would deprive us of many of the allies we still have, he has shown no evidence of it. The ideological component of the war on terrorism should be stronger.

Yet Bush has shown evidence of being able to learn from his mistakes. We have made political strides in Iraq, the most visible one being the handover of power to a friendly government. Military progress has taken place in Najaf, and may soon in Fallujah. Most important, Bush has resisted considerable pressure to abandon Iraq to the killers. And the soundness of his strategy would outweigh tactical errors much larger than any he has made.

We remain convinced that President Bush's most important foreign-policy decision — the decision to invade Iraq — was the right one. The status quo, in which the U.S. kept troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, enforced the no-fly zone, and tried to fight foreign efforts to weaken sanctions on Saddam, was unsustainable. The regime would sooner or later have emerged from sanctions to wreak havoc. Its record included gassing the Kurds, provoking a war with us, and attempting to assassinate one of our former presidents. Its reigning ideology was both expansionist and anti-American. Finally, its elimination created the opportunity to begin to change the region in ways favorable to America's long-term security.

The Clinton administration dealt with gathering threats by deferring confrontation — by kicking the can down the road. That was its pattern in North Korea and Iraq, and it is still John Kerry's position on Iran. President Bush has preferred to address threats now, even at some risk. The situation in North Korea remains perilous. But Bush has had more success than the critics expected at assembling a coalition, including China, to constrain Pyongyang, and at prodding the Europeans to wake up to the Iranian threat.

Contrast this approach to that of the challenger. In his foreign policy, as in his cultural politics, Kerry is one of the most liberal men a major party has ever nominated. He is deeply suspicious of American power. And his approach to the Iraq war has not been notably public-spirited.

Bush risked his presidency on the Iraq war. Kerry has risked nothing. He kept his options open, positioning himself to be able to say he supported the war if it proved successful and that he opposed it if not. On his own telling, he voted to let Bush threaten Iraq with war. But the French proving recalcitrant, and dragging Germany and the U.N. Security Council with them, Kerry thinks that Bush should not have actually gone to war. What Kerry voted for, in other words, was an empty threat. After the war, he voted against funding the reconstruction effort — just weeks after saying such a vote would be "reckless" and "irresponsible." Perhaps there is room for electoral calculation in foreign policy, but the level of cynicism displayed here goes well beyond the normal bounds.

Kerry believes that Bush has been too unilateralist, too dismissive of allies. There may be some truth to this. But many of the things Bush has done to offend Europe were necessary and right. He withdrew from the ABM treaty, said no to Kyoto, and said an equally firm no to the International Criminal Court. In so doing, he protected American security, the American economy, and American sovereignty. Kerry's alternative approach to Europe — deferring as a matter of principle to the French and the EU — would be folly. (To be more precise, the Kerry alternative is to defer to the Europeans except on trade, where he would defer instead to the labor unions.) Alliances are a means, not an end. In Iraq, we suspect that Kerry's real policy would be to quit prematurely. That is what his party wants, and it is the logic of his underlying view that the battle there is a diversion from our true interests.

Bush deserves conservative support, as well, on domestic issues. We are well aware of all the legitimate conservative criticisms that can be made of his record, having made them ourselves. On campaign finance, on education, on immigration, and above all on spending he has disappointed us, sometimes deeply. In a second term we will urge him to do better — and urge congressional Republicans to insist on it.

But the president cut income-tax rates for the first time in 15 years. His tax cuts probably softened the recession he inherited. They also improved the structure of the tax code, which will no longer be as biased against savings and investment. The president has given official support, for the first time, to a reform of Social Security based on private investment. That reform, if enacted in Bush's second term, could reduce federal spending over the long term so substantially that the recent budget increases would begin to seem like a rounding error. After decades in which Republicans either neglected health care or acquiesced in liberal policies, Bush enacted the robust free-market reform of health savings accounts, which may arrest and even reverse our long drift toward socialized medicine.

In his nominations, Bush has sought to move the federal judiciary toward a properly restrained view of its role. If the Democrats retake the White House, school choice could well be ruled unconstitutional, the people's right to decide whether to impose the death penalty could be substantially restricted, and the grisly practice of partial-birth abortion will continue to be protected from the bench. Bush has gone far, within the bounds of political possibility, to address the injustice of abortion and other assaults on nascent human life. And he has tried to prevent the courts from assuming even more power, by supporting a constitutional amendment to keep them from redefining marriage.

We cannot guarantee that in a second term, Bush would nominate judicial conservatives to the Supreme Court, or press for Social Security reform, or fight the war on terrorism with intelligence and firmness of purpose — nor that he would succeed if he did those things. But his willingness to embrace startling changes, to ignore his media critics, and to set conservative priorities argues in favor of optimism. He is certainly more likely to promote these conservative policies than John Kerry would be. Kerry's top domestic priorities appear to be to raise the top marginal tax rates, to appoint liberal judges, to fund research that clones and then kills human embryos, and to expand government control over health-care markets.

It has been a long and difficult four years, largely as a result of events not of Bush's making. For conservatives, however, backing Bush's reelection should be an easy decision.

Quoted: Mostly because of how much a second Bush term would piss off liberal trolls like union2k2.

Now i must say, of all the answers given, this one i like the most.  Made me smile.  Thanks man.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can agree there.  Kerry does have some socialist values, like doing away with tax breaks for the poor but keeping them for the rest of us.  Health care for every american could be seen as socialist but i think its still a better idea than having a shitload of HMO's. Could be seen as a socialist? WTF are you smoking it is socialism!  Have you ever been to the DMV?  How would you like going to the doctors office and take a number and have them tell you that your MRI can be done in 6 months vs. 1 week here.  No one has a right to healthcare.  It is not the job of the government to keep you healthy.  It is YOUR JOB! I would be willing to bet you can afford health care for your kids.

No I can't afford health care for my kids.  That is why I am not going to have kids until I can make enough money to properly take care of them.  It is not the job of the government to use the police power of the government to take someone elses hard earned money and give it to someone who has spent a lifetime making poor choices.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because has a lot of guts, makes a lot of risky political moves, but always comes out ahead.  The whole world seems like it's against him, Bush shrugs them off, does what knows is right.  The newspapers, Michael Moore, political hacks, associated scumbags keep making fake scandals and slanders about how Bush is a Nazi, caused Enron, is eating the world and poisoning the environment, destroying the country, lying to the people, in the pockets of both the Saudis and the Jews (however that works) and over and over, Bush turns out to be right in the end.   Kind of reminds of of Israel.  The world cant stand it, hates it, blames it for everything, wishes it would die, but the Israelis keep plugging along and WINNING, and never apologizing for their right to exist. And best of all, Bush sees the UN and France for the sick amoral entities they are, and recognizes our contrary interests with France and the UN, and treats them accordingly. I just love the guy. Dude, Israel drives tanks through the homes of palestinians who dont even own guns.   Dude, then should stop sending kids wearing bomb belts into schools, buses, restaurants, and Seder dinners in Israel.  It's not like average Palestinians disapprove of suicide bombers.  Most of them enthusiastically support anything to strike at Israel. Most of those innocent Palestinian homes were the houses of the bombers' families, or sit atop of tunnels running under the Egyptian border where the Palestinians get their weapons and explosives.

Im sure they would if they werent treated like a jew in Nazi Germany all the while they are living on THEIR homeland.

Quoted: Is that all you can say about outsourcing?  "Who needs a job if the gov't will give you everything you need for free?"

That's the question I've asked you several times even before you dragged your red herring into the discussion.

Quoted: Are you going to dodge the outsourcing and work visas all day?

Are you going to answer my question ever?

WHO NEEDS JOBS WHEN THE GOV'T WILL GIVE FREE FOOD, CLOTHING, HOUSING and MEDICAL CARE TO ANYONE WITHOUT A JOB???

Quoted: Kerry wants to reject the work visas and keep our borders patroled as usual. YOur last comment made no sense.

You're just plain wrong about Kerry's immigration "plan" - it's an accelerated form of worker-visa/amnesty.

Q: What should we do about the 8,000 people cross our borders illegally every day? KERRY: We need a guest-worker program. We need is to crack down on illegal hiring. And thirdly, we need an earned-legalization program for people who have been here for a long time, stayed out of trouble, got a job, paid their taxes, and their kids are American. We got to start moving them toward full citizenship, out of the shadows. Source: Third Bush-Kerry Debate, in Tempe Arizona Oct 13, 2004 Q: What about immigration reform? KERRY: What I want to do is have a full immigration reform plan that involves earned legalization, involves the technology and support we need on the border, work with President Fox in order to have a legitimate guest worker program. Source: Democratic 2004 primary debate at USC Feb 26, 2004 Q: Should it become easier for undocumented foreign workers in the US to gain legal immigration status? KERRY: I support an earned legalization proposal that will allow undocumented immigrants to legalize their status if they have been in the United States for a certain amount of time, have been working, and can pass a background check. Source: Associated Press policy Q&A, "Immigration" Jan 25, 2004 Q: Would you support legalizing undocumented immigrants in this country? KERRY: Absolutely. I supported and was prepared to vote for amnesty from 1986. And it is essential to have immigration reform. Anyone who has been in this country for five or six years, who's paid their taxes, who has stayed out of trouble, ought to be able to translate into an American citizenship immediately, not waiting. Source: Democratic Primary Debate, Albuquerque New Mexico Sep 4, 2003

Good post Raven, i wont dispute it for a lack of time i have online.  I gotta hockey game to go to.  Well thought out though.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hey! I make under 30K a year too! I qualify as poor--hip hip hooray! Dammit, all this time I've been slaving away at this job, just to provide housing, food and health insurance for myself and my family, when all along I was entitled to it free from the gooberment as just compensation for my "victimhood" status. Ohh.. wait a minute... I just remembered... I can't take advantage of any of that because I am NOT a slacker, scumbag, socialist, freeloading piece of crap. Damn these values of mine.   Whats the name of your health insurance company? Why do you ask? 2 reasons.  First i want to know if you pay for your own expensive health insurance or if your company does. And i want to know if its an HMO.  They leave you to rot and die, ive seen it first hand from someone who worked her whole life as a nurse.  I had to buy her perscriptions because the HMO didnt pick up the tab until she was almost dead.  This was during the Clinton era though and cant be blamed on Bush.  That might make some of you happy.

I pay $135 a month for my own health insurance. and I don't complain about it.  I make between $30-$40 a year and I do not consider my self poor.  I am part owner of a small business so it all comes out of my pocket.  If you take more of my money, then I will not be able to invest in new, top of the line software or hire an intern for the summer.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because has a lot of guts, makes a lot of risky political moves, but always comes out ahead.  The whole world seems like it's against him, Bush shrugs them off, does what knows is right.  The newspapers, Michael Moore, political hacks, associated scumbags keep making fake scandals and slanders about how Bush is a Nazi, caused Enron, is eating the world and poisoning the environment, destroying the country, lying to the people, in the pockets of both the Saudis and the Jews (however that works) and over and over, Bush turns out to be right in the end.   Kind of reminds of of Israel.  The world cant stand it, hates it, blames it for everything, wishes it would die, but the Israelis keep plugging along and WINNING, and never apologizing for their right to exist. And best of all, Bush sees the UN and France for the sick amoral entities they are, and recognizes our contrary interests with France and the UN, and treats them accordingly. I just love the guy. Dude, Israel drives tanks through the homes of palestinians who dont even own guns.   Dude, then should stop sending kids wearing bomb belts into schools, buses, restaurants, and Seder dinners in Israel.  It's not like average Palestinians disapprove of suicide bombers.  Most of them enthusiastically support anything to strike at Israel. Most of those innocent Palestinian homes were the houses of the bombers' families, or sit atop of tunnels running under the Egyptian border where the Palestinians get their weapons and explosives.   Im sure they would if they werent treated like a jew in Nazi Germany all the while they are living on THEIR homeland.

You have a very limited and adolescent knowledge about the Arab-Palesine situation, so instead of hijacking the thread, I'll simply point out our Western Democratic allies, the Israelis, support president Bush. The terrorist dictator Yassir Arafat who broke every promise he made for peace between his people, the Israelis, and president Clinton, supports John Kerry.  As does Hezbollah.  Make what you will about that.

Quoted: Good post Raven, i wont dispute it for a lack of time i have online.  I gotta hockey game to go to.  Well thought out though.

If you have time to go to a hockey game then you have time to work to pay for you childrens health care.  Your priorities are obviously mixed up.

If I vote for bush it will be because the AWB sunsetted and he signed nationwide CCW.

I certainly will not be voting for Kerry, although i may write in Nader.  right now I'm leaning towards Bush or Badnarik.  But voting for Bush will certainly be a hold nose & pull lever type of vote. Mostly becuase he has done nothing about the millions of terrorist streaming over the southern border.

Your first post is funny because it sounds EXACTLY like the same stuff my friends father, a long-time union electrician, says about us.  He says we are one-issue voters.

I am not a one issue voter and here are my issues :

1) 2nd Ammenment rights

   a) Bush is the first Republican in a LONG time that HAS NOT signed any
       specific anti-gun legislation.  Not only that but the 1994 AWB sunsetted
       and any attempt to start up another ban was squelched before the election.

    b) The Bush administration has come out and said that the 2nd Ammendment
        protects "individual-rights".

    c)  I could never allow myself to vote for a man that has the 20 year long,
        anti-gun voting record like Senator Kerry's.

    d)  Kerry is a "friend" of the U.N. and will most likely sign on to any U.N.
         backed global gun-control.  ( UN hack, Rebecca Peters is our new enemy )



 2)  WAR on terrorism

    a)  Kerry has already stated he would want to leave most of the war on terror
         to law-enforcement and justice departments.  Same thing Clinton did....
         Remember, this is a WAR!

    b)  No matter what Kerry says he would defer any important decision to his
         "allies" in Europe and would want to keep them happy even at the expense
         of the United States of America.

     c)  U.N. Oil for Food program - this story has not gotten the attention it should
          have, mainly because there is not enough time between now and the
          election to get the everyday sheeple of this country to understand the
           major significance of this on our fight against the war on terrorism.

           i.e.  France would sell us out to a common enemy just to protect their
            image in the global community.


3. US Economy

      a) For anyone to say that Kerry IS NOT a tax & spend liberal just proves that
           their head is in the sand.  How else is he going to do everything better, faster,
           longer, shorter than Bush is doing.  He would want to spend money out the
           wazoo on more social experiments that just make sure that people who are
           below the poverty line, stay there.  If those people were helped to get above
           the poverty line then in a few years the Dems would lose alot of their base.

       b)  I will vote for any man who gives tax dollars back to anyone, especially me =)

       c)  Unemployment is at the same level it was when Clinton was re-elected in
            1996 and he didnt have a 9/11 type event during his watch.    

Hell, there is three issues and I could keep going....

     

Quoted: ...Kerry...Kerry...Clinton...Kerry...France...Kerry...Clinton....

You sound more like you are voting AGAINST Kerry/Clinton/France than FOR Bush.  

I am voting for Bush for a number of reasons:

1) He is a good leader. He may not alsways speak in a Reaganesque way (or ever, for that matter), but when the chips were down, HE LED.

2) I believe he is an honest, decent man. I may not agree with him on everything, but I believe we share the same system of values, and that counts for a lot.

3) He is determined. He makes up his mind and sticks to it. I admire that in a person, even Ralph Nader!

4) He cut taxes, and will continue to do so.

5) He is the only person in this race who even remotely shares my opinions on social issues.

6) Because several SCOTUS positions will be up for grabs soon, and I'd rather have a man of faith and values picking them than an oportunistic political scumbag like sKerry.

7) Because he is a CinC who the troops (and veterans) RESPECT. THAT means a HELL of a LOT to me.

8) Because he pisses off the liberals left and right by just showing up. When he shows them up, they REALLY go apoplectice!

etc., etc....

I won't list why I'm voting AGAINST sKerry because I don't want to ruin what is otherwise a perfectly nice Sunday morning....

don't interns work for free?

never met one that didn't.

Chris

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hey! I make under 30K a year too! I qualify as poor--hip hip hooray! Dammit, all this time I've been slaving away at this job, just to provide housing, food and health insurance for myself and my family, when all along I was entitled to it free from the gooberment as just compensation for my "victimhood" status. Ohh.. wait a minute... I just remembered... I can't take advantage of any of that because I am NOT a slacker, scumbag, socialist, freeloading piece of crap. Damn these values of mine.   Whats the name of your health insurance company? Why do you ask? 2 reasons.  First i want to know if you pay for your own expensive health insurance or if your company does. And i want to know if its an HMO.  They leave you to rot and die, ive seen it first hand from someone who worked her whole life as a nurse.  I had to buy her perscriptions because the HMO didnt pick up the tab until she was almost dead.  This was during the Clinton era though and cant be blamed on Bush.  That might make some of you happy. I pay $135 a month for my own health insurance. and I don't complain about it.  I make between $30-$40 a year and I do not consider my self poor.  I am part owner of a small business so it all comes out of my pocket.  If you take more of my money, then I will not be able to invest in new, top of the line software or hire an intern for the summer.

Quoted: And no i am not voting kerry.  I dont believe in the 2 party system.

That says everything right there.


The only hope I guess is some guy with no experience, no contacts, and no cahnce of winning.


Great plan


SGtar15

Btw, I am voting GWB because he is a man of integrity and I know he can be trusted with my son's life.


Sgatr15

Quoted: Hey! I make under 30K a year too! I qualify as poor--hip hip hooray! Dammit, all this time I've been slaving away at this job, just to provide housing, food and health insurance for myself and my family, when all along I was entitled to it free from the gooberment as just compensation for my "victimhood" status. Ohh.. wait a minute... I just remembered... I can't take advantage of any of that because I am NOT a slacker, scumbag, socialist, freeloading piece of crap. Damn these values of mine.

direct hit!  next coordinate fire for effect

Quoted: Quoted: ...Kerry...Kerry...Clinton...Kerry...France...Kerry...Clinton....       You sound more like you are voting AGAINST Kerry/Clinton/France than FOR Bush.

I am addressing uonion2k2's " liberal talking point " he made in his first post, " If your voting for Bush its because your a SINGLE-ISSUE VOTER.....   When you confront Union workers who own guns and/or hunt the next thing they spit out of their gourd is " Your a ONE ISSUE VOTER !

Nowhere in my post did I say "this is why I am voting for Bush".  

But if you have taken the time to KNOW both sides of the issues then it would not be such challenge to turn, ...Kerry...Kerry...Clinton...Kerry...France...Kerry...Clinton.... into Bush, Bush, Bush, etc...

For those reading here that cannot do that I will help you out:

Quoted: c) I could never allow myself to vote for a man that has the 20 year long, anti-gun voting record like Senator Kerry's.

You would think on a gun board this one would be self explanatory but as I posted in my
first post BUSH is the first Republican that HAS NOT voted for ANY specific anti-gun legislation.

That is completely opposite than his opponents record of that goes back as far as 20 years !

Quoted: d) Kerry is a "friend" of the U.N. and will most likely sign on to any U.N. backed global gun-control. ( UN hack, Rebecca Peters is our new enemy )

Bush already went against one UN gun-grab when he stood up for the US Constitution & 2ndAmnd in  front of whole UN.

Quoted:  a) Kerry has already stated he would want to leave most of the war on terror to law-enforcement and justice departments. Same thing Clinton did.... Remember, this is a WAR!

If you pay attention to the news at least once a week you KNOW where Bush stands.  Fight terrorism with our MILITARY and not only that but fight the bastards in their own backyard  and NOT on US soil!

Quoted:  b) No matter what Kerry says he would defer any important decision to his "allies" in Europe and would want to keep them happy even at the expense of the United States of America.

We already know what BUSH does...    He gave France & Germany a chance to jump abaord
and do the right thing but because of things the world did not about at the time, like the "U.N. Oil for Food program" France & others could not afford to cooperate with the US.

They would ONLY benefit IF Saddam was left alone, hence France's lack of actions against Saddam/Iraq and their STRONG opposition to the United States.

BUSH does what is right even if it pisses of so-called "allies".  America first !

I think you see my point by now....    

Like others have mentioned this is ( LIKE MOST ELECTIONS ) a pick between the lesser of two evils.

I dont like the two system party either but until the majority of the US populace gets \more involved then this is what we will have.  I'm not holding my breath either....

Quoted: And no i am not voting kerry.  I dont believe in the 2 party system.

Not believing in the two party system, is like "not believing" in trees.

I am less voting FOR Bush than I am voting AGAINST sKerry!

I do not agree with Bush on all things.  To me he is a liberal.  I fear he is far too friendly with the Saudis and not as pro gun as I would like.  Similar to all politicians, he is not a strict constructionist and tends to ignore parts of the constitution when it suits him.   I do not follow the entire conservative line as I favor unrestricted abortion, stem cell research and a host of other things.

sKerry, however, is downright dangerous!  He may possibly precipitate America's destruction by terrorists or cause an internal armed uprising.  Additional attacks on America are certain under his watch!  The man has absolutely NO HONOR, he is a traitor that provided and still provides, aid and comfort to the enemy, he is VERY anti-gun, he is a LIAR, a socialist endorsed by the American COMMUNIST party, preferred by the left wing socialist countries like France and Germany.  He has been endosed by the very people who brought us 9/11 like YAssar are a hat and the moslem scum.  He worships the failed UN and would SELL US OUT to them at the FIRST opportunity.   He says anything that the polls indicate will buy him votes as he has no position based on a sense of right and wrong but just twists in the wind of political expediance.  

I consider him an oxygen thief!!  Do you want me to start on Edwards too?

Quoted: Im sorry that i think all kids should have the medical attention their parents cant afford.  Next.

Then they should not have children they can not afford to raise.  Next.

Quoted: I would be willing to bet you can afford health care for your kids.

Yes, I can and do.  Next.

Quoted: no man i dont get it.  Im considered poor....less than 35k a year...but they still take taxes out of my check.

And at the end of the year, how much do you get back?  If you qualify for EIC, then you probably get back more then you paid in.  Next.  

Because I believe in this grand experiment called Freedom that was forged by our Founding Fathers.  I also believe that those Freedoms were what  hundreds of thousands of men had fought and died for.  

I believe that the American flag is more than just a symbol.  It is a beacon of light for all those searching for a better life.  It is the representation of a nation that has freed the oppressed, fed the hungry, and healed the sick.  I don't believe that the first amendment was written for those to desecrate the most identifiable object of a nation of those who have died so that others may live.

I believe in the sanctity of life. I believe that the creation of life is nothing less than a gift from God.  I am astounded by the millions of children killed since 1973 because they were perceived as an "inconvenience" or an "accident."

I believe that the Constitution and our structure of Capitalism gives each of us the tools to achieve great things.  Freedom from an overbearing government is the cornerstone of  our Republic.  I believe that the less our government takes from us, the more we can achieve for ourselves.

I believe that our forefathers did not guarantee us the right to bear arms so that we can be assured the ability to hunt.  I believe this right was not given but it was affirmed by the Constitution.  I believe that those who would deny us the ability to protect ourselves are those most in need of the protections of others.

I believe that our country is founded on Judeo-Christian principles.  I believe that a child should be able to walk past a city hall and see a Christmas tree.  I believe that a teacher should be able to wear a cross around her neck.  I believe that our Constitution guaranteed the "Freedom of Religion" not "Freedom from Religion"

But the most important reason....

John Kerry doesn't believe in what I believe  

Quoted: I am not a signle issue voter nor a Anybody But Kerry Voter I believe that the concept of Liberalism has failed.  California is the classic example.  For 40 years Democrats controlled Congress.  They always spoke of helping those that lived in poverty but it wasn't until Clinton signed a conservative measure, the Welfare Reform Act, that something was actually done.  Liberals want to throw money at schools and fund education at outrageous levels but with no way to measure results.  Enter No Child Left Behind. Reagan's stance against Liberalism ended the Cold War and pulled us out of one of the most miserable eras in American History.  How America and the world would have been different if Jimmy Carter saw a second term. From Reagan's 1992 Convention Speech: You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong You cannot help the wage earner by hurting the wage payer You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves But the most important reason I am voting for George W. Bush SCOTUS

+1

Quoted: Because he's the "lesser of two evils" by FAR.

+1

Quoted: Im sorry that i think all kids should have the medical attention their parents cant afford.  Next.

Then they shouldn't have kids if they can't take care of them.

Quoted: You cant work at boeing.

Really? I have a few friends that work there, and "boeing" should "Boeing."

Quoted: Why are you voting for Bush?

Because I believe that not all conflict is bad.  Some conflict is necessary.  It causes change.

Quoted: Why are you voting for Bush?

Just to make you mad.

Quoted: Im sorry that i think all kids should have the medical attention their parents cant afford.  Next.

The problem is that the "over 4 million people without health insurance" is a myth.  Although there may be that many that do not have health insurance, there are a tremendous amount of people who CHOOSE not to purchase health insurance.  There is a huge segment of 19-34 year olds that have the discretionary income but feel they are healthy enough to go without.

What about the portion of our population that chooses not to live a healthy life style.  Should I be required to pay the hospital bills of an IV drug user who OD's?  How about someone who is into extreme sports who breaks his legs every other month?  What about treating lung cancer resulting from years of smoking?  ANd how about the guy who is 400 pounds and eats 12 cheeseburgers a day?  Should I be required to have my tax dollars go to pay for their medical needs?

There are children of poor families who lack health insurance.  That is a fact.  But I believe the best way to solve the problem is not to hand them free healthcare.  It is to enable the family to break the bonds of poverty so that they can provide for themselves.  This is achieved by making sure those kids are afforded a results-driven education as well as letting the family keep more of their own money.

Alos remember this...there is no American who is denied medical attention when they need it