Quoted: Ah, Ben, didn't know you cared!!

It seems you have taken too many of your assumptions for the absolute truth!

Below, is a copy(with some edits for clarity) of my post answering your "I quit" thread,since I will assume you might not have read:

Quoted: Mike, I won't say you have interpreted everything wrong.But i will say: most of it is wrong. You have not been on any freezeout.You can ask any staff member/mod how often I contact them.Most of my contact is in the GD Staff.................which you rarely frequent. I phoned you when you first went to the hospital.Got the Hospital phone number from CavVet,but he forgot to give me your room number and the operator could not find it.later I got sidetracked with other issues and before I knew you were out.I found out you were fine,and that's what mattered to me. My own mother has been in the hospital in FL.She has been through 3 hurricanes and I have no been able to reach her either. Gee,in the past 2 years I have been hospitalized/operated on  twice.Once for a torn triceps and last year for a knee I destroyed.I did not perceive the lack of phone calls as a "dislike" by anyone! Why do you? There has been no veiled or overt anything, UNTIL NOW.But if the shoe fits,then I guess you should wear it. The recent post on the mods forum about ETHICS was in part precipitated by your comments on pre-ban.Nothing veiled.You know you were one of the staff members involved in the criticism,so you knew it pertained to you.NO SECRET THERE. You referred to your inquiry (some time back) about my "unhappiness with you".I never answered why I was "unhappy with you "because I was NOT unhappy with you,any more or any less than with anybody else! WTF can I say when you imagine things and want me to fit into your assumptions and delusions? I am sorry you feel it is morally wrong to enforce a rule that no discrimination,incitement to genocide,porn,nudity,etc.It just happens to be the rules we have, and so you could have made the right decision.....based on your own "ethics of fairplay" Good luck to you, and thank you for your past involvement in the site.

To others who have stood with us:THANK YOU!.To those who trash us in pre-ban,THANK YOU ALSO!It is always good to know who your true friends are,and who "denies you" in the face of the slightest disagreement.

Quoted: Some of YOUR assumptions are quite mistaken also!  I read EVERY new post in Staff and most in the GD mod forum nearly EVERY DAY.

But of course some -actually many- of my assumptions are wrong.I am human.I only intend to point out that a lot of the things you are upset about ("freezing out",not calling you at the hospital,etc) have other explanations.Ask CavVet if I did not ask him right away for the number.Ask him also if I did not contact him again after I tried to get you on the phone.
My point:Things are not always what they seem.

I most often did not post for two reasons: One - it did not involve me or had been appropriatelyt dealt with. So no comment from me was in order. Two - I was uninterested in the snide smart ass remarks certain to come from TBK1 unless I was in 110% agreement with him. As for your comments in Mod regarding the discussion on PreBan, I complied with your clear request and resigned as Staff.  You may post those too, if you wish.

The point in that issue is that you were not singled out (excommunicated ).That forum was were my contacts with staff took place.You complied to my request,but it was AFTER you openly and harshly criticized the site in another website.
"Dirty laundry aired at home"  kind of thing!

If you think my decision was based soley on a disagreement over the "kill them all" controversy, you are less in tune with either me or the site than I thought. No.I am aware of many disagreements with our policies.I have them too,but I cannot do WHAT I WANT.We must all do what WE THINK is best for the site.Individuals must take a second "seat"  to the mission of the group. Comments other than in response to yours above have been e-mailed to both you and Juan; please let me know if you fail to receive them.

If you mean recently,I have received nothing.

I wish you the best as well and hope to see you at BF next year.

Same here!

Quoted: From my few years of reading over my husband's shoulder here at Arfcom, it seems as if people feel a very real connection to this place, almost like it's a safe haven from all the crazy anti-freedom liberals out there.  And as things evolve and change, there are sure to be people who feel as if their safe place is threatened, and they will likely lash out.  But that's good for Arfcom, I think -- it keeps it honest, and reminds people of the site's "roots," so to speak. .............. but I also think a certain amount of discontent is normal and healthy for the site, so long as the people in charge respond to criticisms constructively.

Thank you for your comments and advice.

This should be a safe heaven for all of us.The problem is that when some violate the rules action needs to be taken,or the safe heaven can be taken away form us all.The kind and "severity" of that action is what we cannot all agree on,so someone has to make a decision.

Criticism is good,but I hope you agree that going to another site to do it while you hold a position here, is not very constructive but very demoralizing to the rest of the team!

Quoted: Ed, I do not need to ask CavVet - I disagree with you on some things but I know you are not a liar.

Thank you.
I know you are the same way(not a liar) ,and I don't think your intentions were mean.We just disagree on the methodology /implementation of the solution to the problem.

The dirty laundry thing seems to have upset you the most.

Yes it was.
It is not what was said,but where it was said.As you know,we have discussed the "inappropriateness" (or perhaps undesirabilty) of addressing these issues in our own GD,rather than mod/staff forums.So another site is IMHO not the place to do it while you were staff here.

I will resend the e-mails.  Please forgive me if it happens to double!

Now that I think of it.I might have it (them?) .I did not check my email yesterday.I was undergoing studies (while sleeping there) at the sleep disorder clinic in Rochester.

I hold no ill will towards you,and I hope you feel the same way.

Quoted: ......................  (And yes, I can be a total brown-noser when I feel like it -- I'm an HONEST brown-noser, though.  )

Ms,for some reason positive comments are often taken as brown nosing,while negative ones are felt to indicate individuality,strength of character,etc.
While some of both are true....................not all of it is true!

In the same vein,feeling sorry for the misfortune of an innocent child/children (Ref:picture of VN children burned with Napalm in another thread),showing mercy to a defeated enemy and honor on the field of battle, are seen as signs of weakness, in the eyes of a few vocal people.
The decency and moral strength that characterized our nation until a few decades ago,seems to have been replaced by prevailing winds of harshness and hatred.So feeling pity for someone less fortunate than us, is seen by some as a weakness or as trying to be politically correct.Can we not behave as human beings without having to be labeled "sympathisers" or apologists for the group to which a subset of animals belong?

I have no problem killing (with my own hands preferably) the animals responsible for atrocities commited against us.But I draw the line at those directly (or indirectly) involved in the acts of aggression.I do not include everyone belonging to the same race,nationality,religious faith,etc.in that group.
The lack of public condemnation seen by some, as a link to complicity is very subjective.Does the arrest of muslims in Jordan (by the muslim government)earlier this year with biological/chemical  wweapons, qualify as denunciation and condemnation? How about the arrests of terrorists in Pakistan,Iraq,Afgahnistan and others count?

Sure! I would like to see all of those who are not with the terrorists denounce them.But I also understand the fear they must feel of the terrorists coming at night and killing their children and wives.

Most of us have never had to live with that king of fear of our countrymen,but that does not mean it does not take place in other countries!It may be inconceievable to many of us,but it happens!

There is a lot of chest thumping and yelling the popular "kill them all,and let God sort them out".Except that we no longer -as a nation-  believe in the Christian principles, under which our country was founded.

There is no more ........"under God,....." .No pledge of allegiance,or respect for the flag.....or for each other.

So,go ahead and label me weak and an apologist.I assure you that against our real enemy,I am ready and willing to give my life for my countrymen if needed, in order to defeat the muslim terrorists we fight today.

Ed, I sent an IM with some information pertinent to her questions which will (hopefully) help LadyLiberty to have a better understanding of the situation.