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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:36:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:41:34 PM EDT
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Excuse me, you can F right off. I'm simply DEBATING some of the ISSUES I hear OTHER PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT AROUND ME. I got TURNED AWAY from being a Marine 3 years ago when I found out I was diabetic. I WANT TO SERVE. I saw 9/11 and wanted to kick any ass placed before me. Don't dare judge me. How about some reading comprehension and civil discussion? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:43:21 PM EDT
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when I took my physical back in 1966 I was reclassified as 1-Y. Wouldn't take me unless there was a major conflict. But that was the Airforce. I should have joined the Marines.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:43:52 PM EDT
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Stupid Fucking Twat. HR 163 was proposed by none other than Charlie Fucking Rangel, (D). It's been discussed endlessly in political circles how it was a deliberate ploy to enact a Draft to scare the US population into being against the WoT. Did this never occur to you, are you ignorant, or are you some disingenuous fuckhead pretending ignorance to continue propogating this Fear? Similarly, S 89 is put forward by Ernest Hollings, (D) - part of the SAME FUCKING SPIN CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE WOT. "NeoCons"? Balls. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:46:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:49:04 PM EDT
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There is a sure fire way to not get drafted. It is what my 2 brothers and I did.
. . . . .. Go sign up! If our country needs its young men to defend it, and says so by starting a draft, go and pick which branch of the military you want to serve in. Grow some balls, damn it! |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:49:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:50:18 PM EDT
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dodge a draft by enlisting now, putting your 20 or more years in, and let them kick you out cause your too old! That's the best way! SEMPER FI!
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:50:45 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:51:11 PM EDT
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I never claimed to understand them. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:51:20 PM EDT
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A draft??? Yeah, right...
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:52:46 PM EDT
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I don't think he's saying he wouldn't go, he just said he was in a debate about what disqualifies!
A pin your arm is a disqualifier, i know that for a fact, my friend was denied by the Navy for it! However if you have a skill they need and is rare, or in great need they could concievably wave training for combat (Basic and Advanced) and just have do administrative stuff. Lets face it most conflicts today are over so quick by the time they have you fully trained the conflict is spent, kaput over!! Hell, My brother went into the army April 1st and won't be done training and deployable till mid October! Thats just for truck driver for the 10th Mountain. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:52:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:53:34 PM EDT
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I have read the Armys own report, have you actually? All of it, and all of them? And do you know how to comprehend what you read? No murder, no rape, no sodomy (well except between some slutty female soldiers and any hard dick they could find but thats another issue). As for the "torture", while wrong and inexcusable, it was nothing compared to what Saddam did, or what every middle eastern country does... the difference is we held those who did it accoubtable once it was discovered. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:55:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:58:18 PM EDT
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Reading Comprehension? How about YOU make some fucking effort to better seperate the remarks you are citing from your OWN opinions? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:00:40 PM EDT
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+1Slv2fun Member Joined :: July 2004 Post Number :: 121 IL, USA Great. One of the mini-horde of 100-post pretenders from the midwest that all spout the same LLLiberal crap. Why don't you all join the Chess Clud, instead? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:02:31 PM EDT
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Well, OlyArms - why do you ask if I served? Waiting for your 'Chickenhawk' argument. Bring It On.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:07:41 PM EDT
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One single LOGICAL reason? Only one? Anyway the fact of the matter is that there is a quite a bit of activity in the government which points to the reactivation of the draft program. For instance the following congressional bills have been in the works for some time: S.89 and H.R. 163. Combine that with some interesting reorganization at the SSS (note: FY 2004 performance plan) and the fact that there are numerous records of Rumsfeld and other military commanders suggesting that we may not have enough military personnel for the long haul which has been attributed to slow recruiting. With the facts stated on to the logical reasons why the draft could be reinstated. Its obvious that the problems in Iraq arent going to disapear tomorrow.. currently we the size of our army is almost perfect to handle our CURRENT situation. However, what happens if something else goes wrong in the world (ie: Israel v. Iran, Pakistan v India, North Korea v the World) there is no way we could handle such a thing. Yes our military has changed to the slim fast moving strong army type of military but face it.. that isnt the way the world is going folks... the numbers must be beefed up and if that means reinstating the draft than I have a feeling thats exactly what the .gov will do. Futhermore, If it happens.. and I get drafted.. I might not like it but I sure as hell aint runnin. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:12:26 PM EDT
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Just curious, I hope to god you have. Being you are being such a dick. Because if you havent... |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:16:08 PM EDT
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"which has been attributed to slow recruiting." - Utter CRAP. First-time Enlistments are at the highest levels in 20 years. RE-enlistments, even in units fresh out of Iraq are ALSO at the highest levels in decades. THOSE statements are directly from the manpower officials in the Pentagon. The ONLY people spouting 'slow recruiting' are Dem apparatchiks all over the Internet, and Pentagon REMFs who got their Oxen gored by Rumsfeld Program Cuts / Re-Organization plans. Your too-late bullshit about S89 and HR163 has already been twice-refuted in this topic alone, and all over the internet for anyone that cares to look for it. Fuck I am tired of the LLLIars. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:19:45 PM EDT
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Not for anyone with two brain cells to rub together. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:19:51 PM EDT
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+2 Waste of time. Draft board must have members though. I would love to volunteer to be on my local one and scare the crap out of all the Bardies |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:21:40 PM EDT
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Bullshit. Liberal alarmism at its worst and only an idiot would believe it. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:22:24 PM EDT
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And they all have one thing in common: they're full of shit. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:23:46 PM EDT
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Uhhh excuse me??? I'm 17, I have apps in for Navy, Army, and NROTC... I also have 8 AP credits, a 1550 SAT, and I'm a National Merit Semifinalist... What you just said was marginally less offensive than all the liberal pussies I know who say shit like "Military?!? I thought you were too smart to fall for that shit" |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:24:07 PM EDT
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"Stupid Fucking Twat." Curious if this is directed toward me or your mention of Rangel and the other Democrat? "Oh please do fuck off back to DU. Paranoid shitbird." This is obviously directed to me--please refrain from name calling--I am merely trying to show facts to this debate... BTW, I am not from DU--never been there. I am a self-proclaimed conservative, constitutionalist. I forgot to address your question pertaining to us liberating the Iraqi people. I am all for the demise of that regime!! But, I am not in favor or condone the use of such tactics that are described in the army's report and pics that followed for the intel needed. You don't set out a war against an evil tyrranical, murderous dictator to free that people and then turn around and use the same techniques and tactics IN THE SAME PRISON as he did. How asinine is that?! |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:25:09 PM EDT
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hold on there slick. I for one never said it was a done deal. If you would like to sum up my comment into a few words "its possible". One track thinking like "it will never happen" and "its all liberal bullshit" isnt going do anything. The fact of the matter is that if for some reason in the future if a large conflict breaks out... it could happen. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:25:22 PM EDT
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No, there is not. There a few ultraliberal congressmen who keep bringing up the draft as a political ploy to oppose the Bush administration, that's it. And you're gullible enough to buy into their propoganda. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:25:27 PM EDT
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Pray tell what the hell my being an asshole has to do with the Factual information and points I've made. Does cursing make Baby Jesus cry? Did I short-circuit your Chickenhawk bullshit? I also not that your statement is again trying to have it both ways - am I "dick" because I'm being harsh in my pro-military viewpoint? Or am I a "dick" because I was military? Pick one, and you'll get your answer. And in case it isn't blindingly obvious, I'm stripping away your maneuvering room / snippy choices of insult, before answering your question. It's about the two-hundredth time I've squared off against the lame ass points and argument 'technique' about this enlistment / draft mega-topic, and with the likes of what passes for 'thought' and 'logic' in today's youts - and I have nothing but well-earned CONTEMPT for it. So go ahead, ask me again if I served - and then explain what the fuck it has to do with my viewpoints (or their relative worth) on the matter of Enlistment / Draft, and the LLLies being posted here about it. Then explain why YOU thought it was an appropriate question to ask, in this context. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:26:15 PM EDT
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No, you brought no facts, only lies. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:29:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:33:01 PM EDT
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You should be military since you have such strong feelings I hope to god your over fighting in Iraq right now. Also you hijacked my forum and changed it into something else... I was simply asking what would happen if you got drafted. Be it in the 1920's or 2020's I could care less. Grow the fuck up as you have put it in every post. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:34:17 PM EDT
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Yes, your mental defects will most likely gain you a deferment in any future draft. 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:34:40 PM EDT
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Rik, You know me from years back and posting on GT and possibly TFL. You don't need to bring the flames. Show me how the present debate on two seperate bills concerning a future draft= a lie about a future draft? I am little slow and on dial-up, but I just don't get it... |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:35:51 PM EDT
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Why would he want to say YOU were a "practicing homosexual" ? 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:36:32 PM EDT
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My outrage was at your pathetic use of "PURE EVIL" - you obviously have no fucking idea of what PURE EVIL is, or any sense of Context or History re Warfare, ARab Warfare, the history of the Mukhabarat, or the CURRENT treatment of Prisoners THROUGHOUT the 22 nations of the Arab League, if you are calling what happened to the prisoners in cellblock 1A and 1B of Abu Grahb "pure evil". Those WEREN'T random Iraqis with those panties on their heads. They were captured conducting attacks against Americans / Coalition forces. They included NON-IRaqi muslims who crossed into Iraq to kill Americans. I have no sympathy or pity. Their torture was NOT Policy. Those Army Reservist civilian PRISON GUARDS who violated the law were reported by other US Mil, relieved, imprisoned and investigated a full 8 months before Big Media got PICTURES to run with. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:37:42 PM EDT
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On the topic of a draft ... is it true that a male can not be drafted if he is the only son in his family? How does that work? Let's say that a woman has one biological son, but her husband had a son from a previous marriage. If the mother contested the draft on her biological son would that still count even though she has a stepson?
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:37:48 PM EDT
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How exactly do you mark a thread for future viewing?
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:38:19 PM EDT
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This is going nowhere fast
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:38:53 PM EDT
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Well this board is going to become a shooting gallery, ry, you can email me If you wish to be an ass.
Other then that I feel this thread should be locked. It isn't even on topic. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:41:36 PM EDT
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only applies in the following: Sole Surviving Son/Daughter. Except during times of war, or national emergency, one can request a discharge if they are a "sole surviving son or daughter." This does not mean that they are an "only child," or that they are "sole surviving" because someone died in a traffic accident. In the military, a "sole surviving son or daughter" is one who is any son or daughter in a family whose parent or one or more sons or daughters served in the Armed Forces of the United States and— * Was killed in action. * Died as a result of wounds, accident, or disease while serving in the U.S. Armed Forces. * Is in a captured or missing-in-action status. * Is permanently 100 percent physically disabled or 100 percent mentally disabled due to service connection. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:41:55 PM EDT
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That is not what the report states about what happened. The report mentioned that a high % of detainees were not terroist suspects (70% I believe). A Red Cross report concurred the same findings--it actually stated that ~90% were being held, and tortured and were not terroist suspects and had done nothing illegal. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:46:11 PM EDT
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Rumsfeld's plan from the very moment he once again accepted the Office of Secretary of Defense was to re-organize the entire Army into smaller, more agile, more capable, more readily deployable Units. His plan was (and STILL IS) to break down the Cold War -era Heavy Armored Divisions into smaller combined-arms units. Increase the number of deployable units by some 40%, withOUT an increase in total manpower. Couple with the deliberate move to alter the bloated ratio of Logistics to Fighting personnel by converting Cooks, Clerks, etc into Civilian positions - NOT a "NeoCon Haliburton jackoff fantasy, but a real effort to produce a leaner more effective fighting force. That efort continues now, still, including a permanent reduction / redeploymnt of 70,000 troops from Germany to Iraq and then back to the CONUS. Including a redeployment to relocate our 40,000-man 'speed bump' from the 38th parallel, and pulling some 20% of them out of there as well. NOWHERE in his plans, then or now, or in the Personnel offices of the Pentagon is there a a plan or a requirement FOR A DRAFT. It is not needed, it certainly is not wanted. We are going to kick over Iran's sand castle with the same minimal force levels we've used in Afghanistan and Iraq, achieving the desired result - the halting of their nuclear program, withOUT a ground invasion. It isn't needed. There is no other conflict real or imagined that would require such a substantial increase of troops that we would need a DRAFT. Again - "Possible", or PROBABLE?? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:47:14 PM EDT
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Apparently you're a slow reader, dude...read the posts already made on it. Those bills are not being debated, they are political ploys by hardcore liberals, nothing more. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:52:15 PM EDT
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Ill never forget my physical. Sometime between when they asked me, "are you a homosexual?, Have you ever been a homosexual?, Do you ever plan to be a homosexual?" And when the old Doc said, "bend over, pull your cheeks apart." I looked down at my feet and said to my self, " my feet are flat, they wont let me in". Then I looked at the guy next to me and his feet looked the same way, I thought maybe they are not. Then the Doc came up to this guy and said, "Your feet are flat, do they bother you?" he said yes and was denied. He then came to me and said,"Your feet are flat, do they bother you?" I lied and said, "No!" They let me in.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:53:21 PM EDT
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ARTICLE 15-6 INVESTIGATION OF THE 800th MILITARY POLICE BRIGADE "Cell 1A was used to house high priority detainees and cell 1B was used to house the high risk or trouble making detainees." "The rest of the wings are regular prisoners and 1A/B are Military Intelligence (MI) holds." Your getting cells that the hazing occurred in and the rest of the rest of the prison mixed up |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:54:31 PM EDT
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You are a troll and a loon, you provided nothing but a POS bill that was floated by some shit stirring liberals two years ago, that has been in the shit can for eighteen months. I am not calling you names, I am stating what you are. You claim your'e a conservative, Osama Bin Laden claims he is doing gods work, but the truth is your'e both as nutty as fruit cakes. You posted in this thread for no other reason than to get a reaction, you post outlandish comments and state as fact what the rest of the world know as bullshit.  |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:59:02 PM EDT
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Combined with your previous mewling political posts in this forum, you stink like someone looking to get out of a "possible" DRAFT, asking such a question. Like someone looking for an Out. In answer to your previous bullshit rhetorical question - I volunteered for Service in a Combat Arm of the United States Marine Corps and the United States Marine Corps Reserve in the summer of 1987, in my mid-20s. I qualified and was trained as an Artillery Fire Direction Controlman, MOS 0844. I was in the Reserves by '91 and my request for transfer back to Active Duty to serve in GW1 was denied on the grounds that the callup of Reserve Units was going to be so large that they had to keep personnel in place. I was out (to the IRR) in '93. I'm too fucking old now, and have surgical steel in both my legs from unrelated accidents, to once again Serve my Nation as a member of the Military. And I urinate from a great height on anyone that LLLies about the US military for partisan political gain, that misrepresents or mischaracterizes our efforts in Iraq through their own blinkered Ideology or childish uninformed Pacifism. And I have ZERO fucking patience for the children whose lameass weak argument kung fu leads them to ask someone with a strong pro-military position if they have Served (or any other variation of the LLLiberal "Chickenhawk!" non-argument. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:00:54 PM EDT
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