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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:38:22 PM EDT
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Certainly with respect to global warming that isn't the case. Based upon the models, a major effort like Kyoto will have essentially no effect on the climate, or perhaps a very small effect. Yet it would have a major impact on our economy. Put another way: any effort that doesn't have a major impact on our economy won't have a measurable effect. So why bother? Why incur even a small impact to our economy if the result is no positive measurable impact to the climate? And what's wrong with making money on oil? I like oil, it gets me around. The people who sell it to me are providing a service. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:41:39 PM EDT
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bastiat
Your now on my "IGNORE" feature. congratulations the only one to ever make it.................. shows how DA you really are.... 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:43:33 PM EDT
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"The longest journey begins with the first step" |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:43:59 PM EDT
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Well, I don't want bad things to happen in my children's lifetime (neither is older than 4). And I'd sure like my grandchildren to have good lives to. So I sure do care. I just don't buy into environmental doom and gloom. I've been hearing that from several factions of the left for most of my 40-odd years, but until they have something solid I'm going to wait and see. So far, they have always been wide of the mark. In the current global warming scare, it is clear that efforts to "solve" the problem won't, it will just create worse problems. What scares me (for my children) is that the environmental wackos get their way and cause a major depression. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:45:22 PM EDT
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I hear you ------------ and am glad you think of their future .............. there is hope then. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:46:34 PM EDT
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And if you step off of a steep cliff, your journey will be very brief. And exciting. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:49:45 PM EDT
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there's an ignore feature?
Shit, If I knew there was one, I'd never would have responded to your moronic posts. P.S. You put me there because everything I said about you is true, isn't it, sweetie pie???? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:50:58 PM EDT
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Here! Here! Puulleeasse you Nay sayers! Look in your own backyards! How many rivers in the U.S. would you drink out of? That pollution is not anyone's immagination! Take a breath of that thick stuff in the air. It's really there! It is an effect of us. Bury your heads in the sand and it will go away, just like the water that is no longer left in the rivers by the time they make it to the ocean. But that would be ridiculous to say it was us that did that, right? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:58:11 PM EDT
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Oh sweet jesus not this crap again. Ted danson, noted evironmental expert, said the oceans would be dead by the mid 90's. Last I checked, they're still there. You people who subscribe to this moronic emotion-based environmental bullshit need to pick up a book called 'the skeptical environmentalist'. Or order the john stossel special on the environment. Or read 'give me a break'. Or read junkscience.com. Anything that's based in actual science and facts, not 'projections' based on faulty models and data in order to reach a prescribed outcome. Lotta sheep on this board. Baaa. Baaa. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:01:37 PM EDT
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Some would argue that it is ok to eat poison fish out of Lake Erie, just one a month, don't eat any if your pregnant or a young child. Seems a little poison is ok, just do not ingest a large amount. Then you have the fools that just run off at the mouth............. about there is nothing to worry about. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:08:46 PM EDT
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Yeah, you're right. We can do what ever we want and it doesn't harm anything! How did that glass of fresh river water taste? Don't avoid the question. If you're right then there wouldn't be anything harmfull in the water that was put there by us humans. Right? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:15:32 PM EDT
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Did you ever even read those books or watch those specials? No, probably not, or you wouldn't be spouting that liberal crap. Our rivers and lakes are become cleaner and cleaner, not dirtier and dirtier. Advances in technology enable this. Centuries ago, what the hippies call 'the good old days', all sorts of crap (and I mean that literally) would be put in rivers and lakes. Hell, they still do it in third world countries that you hippy types think of as 'unspoiled.' We have more forest land than we did hundred of years ago. Economic and technological progress did that. Not restricitive 'environmentalist' polices. Pro-freedom, pro-growth policies produce better interactions with nature. The real fact of the matter is that radical environmentalist policies (see: banning DDT based on junk science resulting in millions of malaria related deaths) have killed more people than 'pollution' ever has. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're mearly spouting off left wing / hollywood / liberal media emotion based talking points. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:26:02 PM EDT
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76R
found it -The Ohio Department of Health advises that all persons limit consumption of sport fish caught from all waterbodies in Ohio to one meal per week, unless there is a more restrictive advisory. This statewide advisory protects sensitive populations, including women of child bearing age and children under age 6. The advisory was extended to all persons in 2003 because of: the statewide/nationwide mercury advisory for sensitive populations and the increasing number of location-specific one meal per week advisories www.epa.state.oh.us/dsw/fishadvisory/statewide.html www.epa.state.oh.us/dsw/fishadvisory/donoteat.html www.epa.state.oh.us/dsw/fishadvisory/donotwade.html Some will not have the reading comprehension to understand this though -- Then there are some I would catch the fish for and send to them for free, if they would eat it ........  Oh and 76R for your info this was not put out by spouting off left wing / hollywood / liberal media emotion based talking points. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:36:27 PM EDT
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Actually I have heard, seen, and read lots of acounts from both sides.Only history will show who is right because we do not. Remember not to long ago cigarrettes were not bad for you or at least you can't prove it. So, who knows. You yourself mention that they are cleaning things up. That's only because we have recognized that there was a problem with how things were. As for DDT, you wouldn't have any bald eagles left it wasn't for that shit being banned! |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:40:12 PM EDT
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Maybe you set yourself up for it with stupid posts. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:40:33 PM EDT
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Umm, I think you misunderstood me. I am not in disagreement with you. I was being sarcastic in one of my blurbs a few back though. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:42:14 PM EDT
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You are wrong, but that is nothing new. The only scientists screaming about global warming are the ones who have gotten grants to study it. The are PAID to scream "global warming". Do you think they are going to admit they are full of shit and lose that money? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:43:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:44:59 PM EDT
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Hey, cymoe, I got your peckerhead right here. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:49:09 PM EDT
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LARRYG
What I find curious here is that only the rabid right wings such as yourself and others seem to think we have nothing to fear now or in our future ----------- wonder why that is ??? Maybe there are retards in Hollywood that spout things to the extremes, as it seems rabid right wing psycho's spout things at the other end of the pendulum. In the middle is where I feel we all should stand. For the future. EDIT: when a person says peckerhead ---- why do you think they are refering to you ? nevermind ----
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:49:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:51:48 PM EDT
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Global warming is the biggest crock of unproven shit I've ever heard, concocted by the hopelessly left who really aren't pro-environment so much as they are anti-business.
You wanna talk global warming then consider this: Anyone remember a thing called the ice age? All these hills I see outside my window right now and this valley I live in were carved out by that great big glacier that once covered the spot where my home now sits. Yet somehow, that big mass all melted way back when. Now that's what I call real global warming! Yet it wasn't caused by CFC's, my can of deoderant, power plants, etc. That was long before anything resembling industry existed. Yet the earth warmed up did it not? As far as this global warming theory, the best it's supporters can tell me is that over the past 100 years or so, the earth has warmed up on the average of 1 degree. One stinking lousy degree! Well holy shit, I better start up the presses! I'd love to ask these dipshits how much warming was necessary to melt all the ice during the end of the ice-age. I'd really like to hear their answer. You know what? Nature does things on it's own. It always has, it always will. It doesn't always take human involvement to create change. So it doesn't surprise me that over the course of hundreds, thousands or millions of years that we see variations in the earth's climate. History proves this. So I sure as hell am not going to get all out of shape over a problem nobody has yet proven exists. And that's especially true considering the far more drastic changes there have been in the earth's climate over the years, long before industry or in many cases, even before people. Global warming my ass! -CH |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:57:45 PM EDT
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Oh, BTW, I guess the dinosaurs and saber-tooth tigers might still be here if only they had been willing to give up their SUV's and aerosol spray cans.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:00:38 PM EDT
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Well ---------------------- a giant collision of a large meteorite or small comet withthe Earth may have had something to do with that CH. But really don't worry , you will be dead before any of this is proved right or wrong. It is more of a philosophical debate, way above your head really, and I understand that. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:01:08 PM EDT
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That's moronic. Check out junkscience.com. I got in a big argument with ETH and his emotional defense of banning DDT years ago. Know what I found then? Bald eagle populations were rising BEFORE DDT was banned. They weren't dying off, they were coming back! All while DDT was still being used everywhere! Know why, genius? It's because hunting them was outlawed. And they became a protected species. AND THEY STARTED COUNTING THEM MORE ACTIVELY!!! More people engaged in counting = more birds being found. DUH! The thinning shells crap was bogus science. Diet and age of the bird influences shell thickness. Hell, shell thickness even makes it easier for the birds to hatch. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH DDT! RACHEL CARSON HAS BEEN DISCREDITED AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF MILLIONS OF HUMAN BEINGS!!! But people like you would rather rely on junk science because they make the emtional pitch that "it's for the little birdies" - even though it hurts them AND humans by banning DDT! You are a gullible person. Seriously. Ever hear about west nile virus? Ever see the dead birds laying on the streets? Know why they're dying? Freaking mosquitos that aren't being killed. Controlling the insect population via DDT is the best way to protect the bird population, including bald eagles. But you would never admit that even faced with overwhelming evidence, because you didn't get into your position logically. You got there emotionally. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:06:51 PM EDT
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Which if you'd read my post, you would see that NATURE is responsible for most of the earth's climatological changes. And this debate is way above my head? That's funny. It seems most of your debates are above everyone's head around here, or so YOU think. Maybe that's because most of your "philosophical" discussion is closer akin to rambling bullshit. Cyanide, I've seen philosophers. And you sir are no Confucious. Now a Bill Maher type, maybe. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:09:21 PM EDT
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You really think (I use that word graciously) so ???
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:16:54 PM EDT
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Actually central Ohio is as far south as the ice sheets advanced. The hills in Kentucky were created by a tug of war between Mr. Uplift and Mr. Erosion. www.lostrivers.ca/points/Maximum.htm Still, Canada bettter be nice to us, they might need a place to crash for 40-50,000 years sometime. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:19:07 PM EDT
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The problem with Cyanide is he starts these threads and provides absolutely no supporting evidence for his position.
On some boards, this thread would have been instantly locked for lack of content. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:19:34 PM EDT
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Your correct, that is one of the reasons Monroe County Ohio is called little Switzerland, the glaciers never got that far south to smooth out the hills and valleys. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:20:32 PM EDT
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I have posted links made logical arguements you frankly, are wrong. But go ahead and let your dislike for me cloud your judgement ------------ again. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:26:01 PM EDT
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When Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines back in 1991, it put more poluttion into the atmosphere than all of humankind has been able to produce since their existence on this planet. To pretend that we can have that great of an effect on the atmosphere is to give ourselves too much credit in my book. Can we have a devastating effect on the environment? Sure we can. But you know what? Leave it alone and within a few decades nature has repaired itself. The hole in the ozone at the South Pole is a bunch of garbage also. There's also a smaller one at the north pole. Just because they were discovered about 25-30 years ago doesn't mean they didn't always exist. Think about it, they were there when they first looked. Who's to say they haven't always been there? Also, ozone is created by...:::gasp:::...sun light! They have tried to make wholes in the ozone before but the sun light rebuilds it about as fast as they make the holes in the atmosphere. So why are there holes at the poles? Simple. They are the places that get the least sun light. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:27:53 PM EDT
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I support taking care of our environment. Trust me. You don't want to be pumping your sewage into a stream upstream from my property! |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:29:23 PM EDT
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Acid rain.. yes. Global Warming...no. For the record, I think there is such a thing as global warming, I just don't think we are the cause of it. I personally think the sun has something to do with it. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:30:20 PM EDT
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cyanide,
Good jab, the problem we have with global warming is there is no reference point to refer to. The earth is warmer now than... Last year? Ten years ago? Ten thousand years ago? Ten million years ago? GM |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:31:27 PM EDT
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You guys are NUTS and obviously must not have kids .
There is a dead spot in the Gulf of Mexico caused from the Mississippi river dumping pollutaints in to the Gulf carried from the heart and farm land of America . The Island of Madasgascar has been transformed from a lush jungle to a parking lot . The Rain forest of South America are being burned out and turned in to piss poor crop land . WE are dumping tons of hydro carbon pullutants in the atmosphere from our gas guzzling SUVs just so you can ride by your self down to get a gallon of milk produced buy a mega dairy farm which also produces the pollutaints in the river and Methane gas . A green house gas . The perma frost in Alaska is melting . Something that has NEVER happened before . The Oceans are yeilding LESS fish every year not More . I think the high mark was in the late eighties . How about LOVE CANAL , Atom Bomb tests in the upper atmosphere , Cherynoble , Three mile Island , the Exxon Valdez , Agent orange . yeah these are all good things . I suppose you want to deny ACID RAIN too . It's all right . Just go bury your head in the sand . Just watch out for the hypo needles on the beach . |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:31:31 PM EDT
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I got to go with you on the ozone thing sweep -----------
never really got into the ozone hole theory myself. Yes nature will repair damage, for sure -- nature is a powerful thing. And I truly hope it can work it's magic in the future, as for water and lake pollution in Ohio , it just seems to get worse every year. I do not know where that will lead. *Always a pleasure to converse with you my friend, wish others would take the same tack as you do. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:31:38 PM EDT
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Dihydrogen Monoxide is a killer! What ever you do, do NOT inhale that stuff!
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:36:40 PM EDT
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The only thing that makes you a bigger target than trolling is BAD TROLLING Don't feed the (poor quality) 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:39:44 PM EDT
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Sorry to be a smart ass here, but if the final destination is no where, why bother taking the first step? 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:42:04 PM EDT
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Please leave my thread and do not return, your not welcome here. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:43:23 PM EDT
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Well sweep, a little soon adds up to a lot, have to start somewhere. Or do we just give up ??? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:46:31 PM EDT
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I was refering to the fact that the Kyoto treaty accomplishes nothing. It's actually designed to hurt the U.S. economy while rewarding third world countries that are actually doing a lot more poluting than we are. 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:03:39 PM EDT
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This is from someone that has taken graduate level studies in air pollution control design. Note the gap between the top of the stack and the start of the vapor. That is C02 & water vapor with virtually nil pollutants. A good design with almost zero discharge. Looks scary to the uninformed not unlike the DU'ers pissing their depends over seeing a bayo lug under a front sight. wganz ¶ |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:04:42 PM EDT
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Not true. John Kerry has at least two for every topic. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:05:36 PM EDT
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Yep, that is a helluva information packed thread starter. Can't refute that abundant sourced and referenced wealth of info there! Way to build a convincing, well ordered, informative initial post to support your assertion! Your powers of deductive reasoning , hard work and orginization overwhelm me!!!!! |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:07:07 PM EDT
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Excuse me, I was voicing my opinion a long while back in this thread and I'm being called names? WTF....nice. Y'all (Bestiat in-particular) are saying baaaa....baaa.... When does thinking for yourself and coming up with an opinion contitute being a sheep? Isn't that what you did too? Freaking hypocrite. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:07:12 PM EDT
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Yep! Those Dihydrogen Monoxide emmisions are real killer arent they? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:11:57 PM EDT
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The problem with the Kyoto treaty is that it *ignores* the first steps that the United States of America has already taken. We have had smog equipment put on our cars since the late sixties, we have made major strides in cleaning up industrial pollutants in this counrty, etc, etc. We have done and are doing our part as inhabitants of this planet. And all of this has come at a cost to our own economy, but we did it anyway.
Now it is time for the third world to step up to the plate and clean up *their* act. Have any of you ever traveled in China lately? Seen those smokestacks belching deep black soot into the atmosphere? Have you seen all the automobiles with minimal smog equipment running around the streets of Eastern Europe and South America? I beleive that the rest of the world has no right whatsoever to attempt to slap us with UN-mandated restrictions, or a "carbon tax" or any of those types of measures until they start cleaning up their own backyards. -Gator |
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