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I know that this law will only apply to Michigan, but it effects are eventually going to be felt through out the nation. The las thing we need is ANOTHER state with an AWB, and this is the most intrusive and terrible ban proposed yet! Now that the Federal AWB has sunset, Michigan needs the help of the ENTIRE gun community to fight this abomination!
Is there anyway we can get this thread tacked? I know it is a "hometown" thing, but let's face facts, not everyone checks the hometown forums. General Discussion gets ALOT more traffic! |
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Actually, SKS's would probably be safe, as would Saiga's and SL8's. The key to this whole ban is the first line:
So, since an SKS has a fixed magazine, it would be safe. Also, since Saiga's and HK SL8-1's can only accecpt 10 round magazines, they are also safe. What I am wondering is if you "only" have 10 round detachable mags for your AR, will it be safe as well or does the fact that you can use a 20 or 30 round mag in it make it an assault weapon. I'm not saying that I would even come close to accecpting this law! Not at all! For me, it would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back in Michigan and I would most likely leave the state. However, if it works out that not owning any high cap mags, and only have the 10 round mag that came with my AR will be enough to sheild me from this AWB (should it pass), then that would give me enough leeway to make a planned withdrawl from the state of Michigan. For me, you can just add this stupid worthless bill to the list! www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=272403 |
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Gilda Z. Jacobs Huntington Woods District 14 Democrat Liz Brater Ann Arbor District 18 Democrat Huntington Woods and A2 are just as bad as Detroit. |
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Here is the GOA's response to my e-mail. It appears that they knew nothing about it. I'm going to call the NRA-ILA and make sure that they are aware of this too!
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I just got this from the Senate Majority Leader:
Dear Eric: Thank you for writing to share your thoughts about Senator Gilda Jacobs' proposal to implement a state "Assault Weapons Ban." Because of the recent expiration of the federal "Assault Weapons Ban," Senator Jacobs has introduced Senate Bill 1381. The intent of this bill is to ban all assault weapons in the state of Michigan, which the bill defines as any semi-automatic pistol or rifle that is able to accept a magazine with more than 10 rounds and has certain cosmetic appearances, such as a pistol grip or shoulder stock. Senate Bill 1381 was recently referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which Senator Alan Cropsey is chairman. In response to your letter, I have spoken with Senator Cropsey. Although he has informed me that it is unlikely the committee will be reviewing this bill, please know that if I do have the opportunity to vote on the proposal, I am not inclined to support it. Again, thank you for writing. If I can be of further assistance in this or any other matter, please contact my office at any time. Respectfully yours, Ken Sikkema Senate Majority Leader www.sikkema.org ejd |
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Just got a reply from the Senate Majority Leader:
Dear Echap: Thank you for writing to share your thoughts about Senator Gilda Jacobs' proposal to implement a state "Assault Weapons Ban." Because of the recent expiration of the federal "Assault Weapons Ban," Senator Jacobs has introduced Senate Bill 1381. The intent of this bill is to ban all assault weapons in the state of Michigan, which the bill defines as any semi-automatic pistol or rifle that is able to accept a magazine with more than 10 rounds and has certain cosmetic appearances, such as a pistol grip or shoulder stock. Senate Bill 1381 was recently referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which Senator Alan Cropsey [email protected] is chairman. In response to your letter, I have spoken with Senator Cropsey. Although he has informed me that it is unlikely the committee will be reviewing this bill, please know that if I do have the opportunity to vote on the proposal, I am not inclined to support it. Again, thank you for writing. If I can be of further assistance in this or any other matter, please contact my office at any time. Respectfully yours, Ken Sikkema Senate Majority Leader www.sikkema.org ejd |
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Sent out 38 letters last night and these 3 are the only real response's so far. I will keep hammering away.... |
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Anyone know where the MCRGO is on this. Their input would be key...
I have written to everyone I know who cares about the issue and emailed ALL the REPS. Tonight I shall draft a letter. This gives me something to do instead of brooding over my impending deployment! |
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Virtually the same bill was proposed in mid-March 2004 in Pennsylvania...House Bill No. 2451 -containing the same registration language. The bill was referred to the State's House Judiciary Committee with a number of "gun stupid" sponsors. So far, thie PA bill has gone nowhere.
PRINTER'S NO. 3471 THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA HOUSE BILL No. 2451 Session of 2004 INTRODUCED BY FRANKEL, THOMAS, BISHOP, COHEN, CURRY, D. EVANS, HORSEY, JAMES, JOSEPHS, KIRKLAND, LEACH, MELIO, PISTELLA, ROEBUCK, ROONEY, STETLER, STURLA, WASHINGTON, WATERS, WEBER, WHEATLEY, WILLIAMS AND YOUNGBLOOD, MARCH 17, 2004 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY, MARCH 17, 2004 AN ACT 1 Amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania 2 Consolidated Statutes, providing for prohibition and 3 registration of certain assault weapons; and imposing 4 penalties. 5 The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania 6 hereby enacts as follows: 7 Section 1. Chapter 61 of Title 18 of the Pennsylvania 8 Consolidated Statutes is amended by adding a subchapter to read: 9 SUBCHAPTER B.1 10 ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN 11 Sec. 12 6151. Definitions. 13 6152. Manufacture, possession and transfer of assault 14 weapons. 15 6153. Possession of assault weapon components. 16 6154. Registration of assault weapons. 17 6155. Fees. 18 § 6151. Definitions. 1 The following words and phrases when used in this subchapter 2 shall have the meanings given to them in this section unless the 3 context clearly indicates otherwise: 4 "Assault weapon." The term includes the following: 5 (1) Any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump- 6 action rifle that is capable of accepting a detachable 7 magazine and that also possesses any of the following: 8 (i) If the firearm is a rifle, a pistol grip located 9 at the rear of the trigger. 10 (ii) If the firearm is a rifle, a stock in any 11 configuration, including, but not limited to, a thumbhole 12 stock, a folding stock or a telescoping stock, that 13 allows the bearer of the firearm to grasp the firearm 14 with the trigger hand such that the web of the trigger 15 hand, between the thumb and forefinger, can be placed 16 below the top of the external portion of the trigger 17 during firing. 18 (iii) If the firearm is a pistol, a shoulder stock 19 of any type or configuration, including, but not limited 20 to, a folding stock or a telescoping stock. 21 (iv) A barrel shroud. 22 (v) A muzzle break or muzzle compensator. 23 (vi) Any feature capable of functioning as a 24 protruding grip that can be held by the hand that is not 25 the trigger hand. 26 (2) Any pistol that is capable of accepting a detachable 27 magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip. 28 (3) Any semiautomatic pistol or any semiautomatic, 29 center-fire rifle with a fixed magazine that has the capacity 30 to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition. 20040H2451B3471 - 2 - 1 (4) Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable 2 magazine. 3 (5) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder. 4 (6) Any conversion kit or other combination of parts 5 from which a firearm described in paragraphs 1 through 5, can 6 be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the 7 control of any person. 8 "Barrel shroud." A covering, other than a slide, that is 9 attached to or that substantially or completely encircles the 10 barrel of a firearm and that allows the bearer of the firearm to 11 hold the barrel with the nonshooting hand while firing the 12 firearm, without burning that hand. The term does not include an 13 extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel that does 14 not substantially or completely encircle the barrel. 15 Commissioner." The Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State 16 Police. 17 "Conversion kit." Any part or combination of parts designed 18 and intended for use in converting a firearm into an assault 19 weapon. 20 "Detachable magazine." A magazine the function of which is 21 to deliver one or more ammunition cartridges into the firing 22 chamber of a firearm and which can be removed from the firearm 23 without the use of any tool, including a bullet or ammunition 24 cartridge. 25 "Muzzle brake." A device attached to the muzzle of a weapon 26 that utilizes escaping gas to reduce recoil. 27 "Muzzle compensator." A device attached to the muzzle of a 28 weapon that utilizes escaping gas to control muzzle movement. 29 § 6152. Manufacture, possession and transfer of assault 30 weapons. 20040H2451B3471 - 3 - 1 (a) Offense defined.--No person shall manufacture, possess, 2 purchase, sell or otherwise transfer any assault weapon, or any 3 assault weapon conversion kit, except as provided under 4 subsection (b). 5 (b) Exceptions.--Subsection (a) shall not apply to any of 6 the following: 7 (1) The possession of an unloaded assault weapon for the 8 purpose of permanently relinquishing it to a law enforcement 9 agency in this Commonwealth pursuant to regulations adopted 10 for such purpose by the commissioner. Any assault weapon 11 relinquished pursuant to this subsection shall be destroyed. 12 (2) The transfer of any assault weapon by a licensed 13 manufacturer or dealer to a law enforcement agency in this 14 Commonwealth for use by that agency or its employees for law 15 enforcement purposes. 16 (3) The possession of an assault weapon that was legally 17 possessed on the effective date of this act, if the person 18 legally possessing the assault weapon has complied with all 19 of the requirements of section 6154 (relating to registration 20 of assault weapons). 21 (4) The possession of an assault weapon that has been 22 permanently disabled so that it is incapable of discharging a 23 projectile. 24 (c) Public nuisance.--Any assault weapon or assault weapon 25 conversion kit, the manufacture, possession, purchase, sale or 26 other transfer of which is prohibited under subsection (a), is a 27 public nuisance. 28 (d) Penalty.--Any person who violates subsection (a) commits 29 a felony of the first degree. 30 § 6153. Possession of assault weapon components. 20040H2451B3471 - 4 - 1 (a) Offense defined.--No person shall possess or have under 2 the person's control both of the following at the same time, 3 except as provided under subsection (b): 4 (1) a semiautomatic or pump-action rifle or 5 semiautomatic pistol capable of accepting a detachable 6 magazine; and 7 (2) any magazine capable of use with that firearm that 8 contains more than ten rounds of ammunition. 9 (b) Exceptions.--Subsection (a) shall not apply to any 10 person while lawfully doing either of the following: 11 (1) engaging in shooting at a duly licensed, lawfully 12 operated shooting range; or 13 (2) participating in a sporting event officially 14 sanctioned by a club or organization established in whole or 15 in part for the purpose of sponsoring sport shooting events. 16 (c) Penalty.--Any person who violates subsection (a) commits 17 a felony of the first degree. 18 § 6154. Registration of assault weapons. 19 (a) Grandfathered assault weapons.--A person may continue to 20 possess an assault weapon that the person legally possessed on 21 the effective date of this subchapter, if the person does all of 22 the following: 23 (1) Within 90 days following the effective date of this 24 subchapter, submits to a background check identical to the 25 background check conducted in connection with the purchase of 26 a firearm from a licensed gun dealer. 27 (2) Unless the person is prohibited by law from 28 possessing a firearm, immediately registers the assault 29 weapon with the Pennsylvania State Police pursuant to 30 regulations adopted for such purpose by the commissioner. 20040H2451B3471 - 5 - 1 (3) Safely and securely stores the assault weapon 2 pursuant to regulations adopted for such purpose by the 3 commissioner. 4 (4) Annually renews both the registration and the 5 background check. 6 (5) Possesses the assault weapon only on property owned 7 or immediately controlled by the person, while engaged in the 8 legal use of the assault weapon at a duly licensed firing 9 range or while traveling to or from either of these locations 10 for the purpose of engaging in the legal use of the assault 11 weapon, provided that the assault weapon is stored unloaded 12 and in a separate locked container during transport. 13 (b) Inherited assault weapons.--Notwithstanding any other 14 provision of this subchapter, any person who, after the 15 effective date of this subchapter, acquires title to an assault 16 weapon by inheritance, bequest or succession shall, within 30 17 days of acquiring title, do one of the following: 18 (1) comply with all of the requirements of subsection 19 (a); 20 (2) dispose of the assault weapon pursuant to section 21 6152(b)(1) (relating to manufacture, possession and transfer 22 of assault weapons); or 23 (3) permanently disable the assault weapon so that it is 24 incapable of discharging a projectile. 25 (c) Compliance check.--The Pennsylvania State Police may, no 26 more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure 27 compliance with this subsection. 28 (d) Penalty.--Any person who violates subsection (a) or (b) 29 commits a felony of the third degree. 30 § 6155. Fees. 20040H2451B3471 - 6 - 1 The Pennsylvania State Police may charge a fee for each 2 registration and for each registration renewal under section 3 6154 (relating to registration of assault weapons). Such fee 4 shall not exceed the costs incurred by the Pennsylvania State 5 Police in administering the registration program established 6 under section 6154. 7 Section 2. This act shall take effect in 60 days. |
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1. In March, a convicted felon and drug dealer shot up a house occupied by 4 rival drug dealers with an AK-47 that was banned under the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. 3 people were killed, and 1 person was injured. When the suspect was arrested in Minnesota, it was discovered that he was also a convicted felon, ineligible to own firearms under Federal law.
Sound like some "good riddance". |
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God be with you Bro! |
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I know this is not about the Michigan AWB, but it is still Michigan related.
I sent a letter to this jerk telling him I wanted the ban to sunset and to stop voting for laws like it. Look at the response I got from (that Feinstenin loving Asshat) Senator Levin! Dear Mr. Ripcode: Thank you for contacting me about the reauthorization of the federal assault weapons ban. I appreciate hearing your views on this matter. As you know, in 1994, President Bill Clinton signed the Assault Weapons Ban into law. This law banned 19 specific weapons, as well as a number of other weapons incorporating certain design characteristics, including pistol grips, folding stocks, bayonet mounts, and flash suppressors. The law also prohibited the manufacture of semiautomatic weapons that incorporate at least two of these military features and accept a detachable magazine. Unfortunately, this law is expired on September 13, 2004. I am a cosponsor of the Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act (S.1034), introduced by Senator Feinstein (D-CA) on May 8, 2003. This bill would reauthorize this critical piece of gun safety legislation. If the law is not reauthorized, the production of assault weapons in the U.S. could legally resume. Restarting the production of these weapons will increase their number and availability, and I believe lead to an increase in gun crimes committed with assault weapons. Despite both the support of President Bush and a bipartisan majority of the Senate, the House has not yet taken any action to reauthorize the assault weapons ban. Thank you again for writing. Sincerely, Carl Levin ------------------- Argh!!! Who votes for this guy?????? |
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Detroit votes for Levin. THAT MAN IS A COMMUNIST! To me he is as bad as Teddy boy!
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Hope you guys in MI fare better than us in the PRK. I have said it before and will say it again. Moronic gunlaws passed in my state quickly spread to others. Don't take for granted that it will never happen in your state.
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I know about the Michigan AWB proposal submitted by Sen. Gilda Jacobs. Have emailed all relevant Rep.'s and Senators. One guy that hasn't been mentioned is Rick Johnson, Speaker of the House of Rep's in Michigan. He should be emailed also. Don't forget Governor Granholm either.
Just to let you know - Gilda Jacobs is a RABID left-winger. She supports partial birth abortions, did not support CCW, supports non-smoking bans in all public places, supporter of the Million Moms March organization and on, and on and on... If she had her way ALL firearms would be illegal. IMHO she's basically a communist in her philosophies. She is a VERY dangerous person when it comes to individual rights. Please guys, help us out here! Email Michigan politicians even though you don't live in Michigan. They still listen. |
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After all, who is gonna argue about safety? |
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Johnson is out after the election due to term limits. |
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I just moved to Southfield permanently a few months ago and was doing some looking around in regards to local politics. Come to find out, Gilda Jacobs is my district's Senator. Being a constituant, I might have to give her a call.
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So where's the flock of motherfuckers who always say "Move!" when the state is CA?
Fight on, Sons and Daughters of Michigan. Stop this crap before it takes hold. |
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CALL HER! |
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If this becomes law my wife and I will move. |
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This is some scary shit. You better hope to Christ it doesn't go further than it already has. I'd be all over this...
Agreed. You MI types better stomp the living shit out of this thing. Talk about blatant disregard for the Constitution. |
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I hope that you guys in MI can stomp this down NOW. Before it ever gets out of committee.
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