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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:06:20 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm on it. This would be something perfect for next year after GWB is re-elected. It would drive the left even more into a mad frenzy. And looking at todays Rassmessan polls, they are going to go over the edge soon. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:08:30 AM EDT
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If Bush overturned either the 86 MG Ban or the 89 Import Ban I would feel so much better about my support of him it wouldn't be funny. He would prove to be the second best President in my memory right behind Reagan. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:08:36 AM EDT
[#3]
Now THAT is a good idea! |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:09:50 AM EDT
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Nothing is going to happen until the criminals in office that are willing to sell out our rights swing in the streets!
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:11:01 AM EDT
[#5]
Obstacle to what? Honesty? It was Delay, Frist and Craig who saved us. They deserve the credit. I did my part about calling my reps to not support a renewal. These 3 Republicans did their part by fighting it. Please explain to me how "I" am an obstacle to run rights? I'd love to hear this one. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:11:40 AM EDT
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The next step should be the legislation to protect firearms manufacturers from civil liability, the same bill that the Dems tried to attach the AWB reauthorization to earlier this year. That is a much needed protection of our rights.
Let's get the people who make and sell the firearms and ammo we love protected. CCW reciprocity is also good. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:12:47 AM EDT
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Ok I am intrigued, what does Rasmussen got? |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:14:08 AM EDT
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Nope... Too far, too fast... AWB was 1st base... 89/97 'sporting purposes' import ban is 2nd National CCW is 3rd and 922(o) (86 MG 'making' ban) is home plate... It's only logical... small steps.... |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:14:51 AM EDT
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You are a obstical to removing the 86 MG ban because you beleve that since it doesn't have a sunset we cannot FORCE its removal. And you try to argue that its hopeless to try. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:15:19 AM EDT
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UNBELEIVABLE political naievete. Reagan GAVE US the 86 MG ban, and Bush would be SECOND to Reagan for overturning Reagens ban???  THIS is why I say things like "Y'all simply hate Bush." |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:19:54 AM EDT
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WRONG. I said how it could be done without a sunset. I just don't believe THIS President will do it. He couldn't even come out and OPENLY support defeat of the renewal and you want me to believe he will support the end of the 86 MG Ban. C'mon already. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:22:41 AM EDT
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1. Reagans 86 MG Ban was attached to the 86 GOPA. The NRA and the vast majority of GUN ONWERS wanted that legislation and most didn't give a damn about MGs in 1986. You should really look into what the 86 GOPA did for you. 2. I voted for Bush Jr. the first time, I will be voting for him again in 2004 and I don't remember a single time saying I hate him or would not vote for him. But that doesn't mean I will refuse to see him honestly. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:23:41 AM EDT
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Why is his support needed? He is not a gun affecinado, so what does he care. We got rid of the AWB without his support, all he has to do is sign the bill when it comes to his desk, and there is no legitamate reason for him to NOT do so as the anti-gun lobby and their shills and the media have been castrated. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:26:43 AM EDT
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Today 48.3 45.2 Sept 11 47.5 46.1 Sept 10 47.8 46.2 Sept 9 47.5 46.8 Sept 8 48.2 46.5 Sept 7 47.3 47.3 Sept 6 47.6 46.5 Sept 5 47.6 46.4 Sept 4 49.1 44.7 The gap is widening even after the convention bounce closed a bit. Kerry has got to be shitting bricks. This Memo thing is going to turn into memogate, and the demos will be so busy putting out that fire that they woin't be able to make more stuff up to campaign on. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:27:12 AM EDT
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Soi Reagan BAN of MG's gets a pass from you cuz Reagan ACTIVELY SIGNED that bill, but Bush gets thumbs down from you in restoring gun freedoms cuz he DIDN'T actively work against it. WOW. YOu ARE an obstacle to progreess. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:27:13 AM EDT
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Because I don't think anyone in Congress (even the current Republicans) are gonna risk going after machine guns. The strong point of defeating the AW renewal was countering liberal lies that these ARE machine guns. But if it is attempted I, and most gun onwers, would support it. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:29:28 AM EDT
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Big difference is this: Reagan signed the GUN OWNERS PROTECTION ACT which contained the AW Ban. Bush did NOTHING for gun owners by publically supporting the renewal in 2000. What it comes down to is this. Would you have preferred for Reagan to NOT sign the 86 GOPA? Do you know what that would have meant? |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:30:43 AM EDT
[#18]
Count me in.
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:31:40 AM EDT
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But I consider the MG ban more important since that actually changes the quality of weapon, and the firepower, available to the American Citizen. The Import Ban just pleases collectors, having AUGs and SIG 550s available in the US in semi auto only does not improve our ability to fight, but having MGs- especially being able to buy a whole different class of weapons like SAW's, GPMG's, and HMG's DOES improve the ability to fight. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:32:05 AM EDT
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Congress and the pres are already risking things by allowing the AWB to lapse. The general public does not know the difference between the AWB and "machine guns". Bringing this up at this point would make the anti's look like idiots as it will be point out to everyone in the arguments over the 86 law. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:32:54 AM EDT
[#21]
Well you are right about that. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:33:42 AM EDT
[#22]
As I said I would support it. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:34:21 AM EDT
[#23]
I think the next pro-gun fed law that will be passed is lawsuit protection |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:34:23 AM EDT
[#24]
I do have to congratulate everyone posting on this thread. There truly are some great minds that participate on this board.
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:34:56 AM EDT
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Where is resistance going to come FROM? Look around at the feeble reaction of the anti-gun lobby. Where is there power? In all probability it was allways illusitory. The old big 4 in the media probably fabricated it, and as they have been caught lying, now we must ask how LONG they have been lying. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:36:11 AM EDT
[#26]
Are you joking? I live in Kentucky, and can get anything in my state. Hell, with my KY CCDW I can legally carry weapons of mass destructions concealed. I know they are legal. It is the over regulation and $200 tax I would like to see removed. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:36:13 AM EDT
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How many R senators voted to ADD the AWB amendment to the lawsuit bill? |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:37:42 AM EDT
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Bottom line is this - Under Reagan we LOST rights for the type of firearms the Second Amendment concerns itself with. Under Bush we GAINED rights on 'weapons of ordinary military useage.". Reagan gave lip service to duck hunters. Bush got RESULTS for 2A arms. You prefer Reagan. WOW Try this - Suppose with complete Repub control of the gov't the ban WAS renewed, with Bush coming out rhetorically against it. YOU would feel better about Bush. Me?? I like the dead AWB, without the rheotric. ANd as I've REPEATEDLY stated, had Bush come out against teh ban rhetorically in 2000, the antis would have had FOUR years to muster their forces. With Bush's methdology, the antis were lulled to sleep, and the ban is dead. RESULTS MATTER. Screw rhetoric. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:38:55 AM EDT
[#29]
We must strike when they are weak, which is NOW. FOPA '86 didn't explicitly ban new MGs. It's an ATFE interpretation of FOPA '86 that has stopped new MGs from being put in the registry. We need to get that turned around - by congress or a new ATFE lead. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:44:42 AM EDT
[#30]
There is your error. Under Reagan we gained back MANY of our rights that were lost in 1968. Do you not know prior to 1986 gun collectors who bought a gun and sold it for profit were being prosecuted for being "unlicensed gun dealers"? I think you really, really need to look at the GOPA of 1968. It is what allowed importation of surplus military firearms and delivery of ammunition to the homes of gun owners. Prior the 1986 you could NOT do that. Please find out what you are talking about. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:44:55 AM EDT
[#31]
Exactly, PotatoHead (that's MISTER PotatoHead to you!). We start working on the 86 MG ban, and the sheeple will say, "Bububububu... I thought the Assault Weapon Ban handled that, and now that it's dead, it doesn't matter anymore? Bububububuuu, whatever, CSI is on now." While they're still trying to figure out what the hell bit them in the ass with the AWB, we keep up the pressure, continue the fight, go for the gusto. They're already rocked back on their heels, lets give them an uppercut. Edited for punctuation error. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:45:06 AM EDT
[#32]
I don't think the timing is right .... The Anti Gun Scum would use it against us .
We won the AWB by default , but its still a close issue in the Senate and House . Remember ......... Pigs get fat and Hogs get slaughtered  |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:46:12 AM EDT
[#33]
Probably from the same people who voted to attach the AWB renewall to S.1805 which included many Republicans. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:47:05 AM EDT
[#34]
if you want more understanding of FOPA 86, read this article at GunCite.
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:48:46 AM EDT
[#35]
So do I. It would be the perfect oppertunity to add a rider for 'sporting purposes'... If the GOP puts enough pro-gun stuff in there, we'll have something to trade off if the other guys attach too much baggage... |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:48:50 AM EDT
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name them oh, and they lost didn't they. Those same ones will vote FOR it next year when they don't have support. You don't actually beleve they have any idealogical attachment to gun control do you? |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:51:13 AM EDT
[#37]
Well you red highlighted my post but apparently you didn't read it. Yeah, gun owners were getting the shaft, and Reagan "fixed" that by selling out the SPECIFIC type of arms protected by 2A. Duck hunters - 1 Second AMendment - 0 Know how we always say 2A isn't about duck hunting? We're right. Something Reagan didn't understand. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:55:23 AM EDT
[#38]
They were named not long ago. And they DID NOT LOSE. The amendment PASSED. Larry Craig then killed his own bill to prevent it from going to BUSH. This was only a few months ago, have we forgotten already?!? |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:57:40 AM EDT
[#39]
Actually it had more to do with the ability to import cheap crap like SKS and C&R guns than duck hunting. Sadly most gun owners in 1986 would rather have had cheap SKS rifles than the ability to own a M16. Reagan basically acceded to the demand of the majority of gun owners. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:59:27 AM EDT
[#40]
You seem to have already forgot how the US Congress works! It WAS NOT going to BUSH it was going TO COMITTEE with the House. And next year- 5 less Democrats in the senate. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:01:12 PM EDT
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Like I said , under Reagan - Duck Hunters AND gun haters 1 SecondAMendment 0 Under Bush - SecondAmendment 1 Gun haters 0 |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:01:25 PM EDT
[#42]
You're the most optimistic guy I know. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:02:51 PM EDT
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Explain to me HOW a lefty can win the seats being vacated by Breaux, Miller, Edwards, et al? |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:28:49 PM EDT
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And IF passed ulitmately to Bush for signature. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:30:24 PM EDT
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Fixed that for ya. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:35:37 PM EDT
[#46]
And that was how likely? After Bill Frist TOLD them not to bring it? Your really streatching to try and keep this fantisy of anti-gunner power going. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:39:29 PM EDT
[#47]
Wrong attempt. Again I was referring to S.1805 where the renewal was attached to a industry protection bill. The author Larry Craig killed his own bill as a result. If he DIDN'T there was a very good chance it would have gone for for a signature. S.1805 had a much better chance of becoming a reality than the renewal attempt Frist and Delay protected us from because it was part of something the firearms industry wanted. Very few legislators kill their own bills, Craig fortunately was one of the good guys. And that is no fantasy. |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:46:00 PM EDT
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And your argument that GWB was ambivalent on the AWB just went out the window. GWB was for the industry protection bill. And if he was for the AWB, why didn't Craig just get his bill pass with the AWB intact? What was the reason for this? Because GWB said he wanted a clean bill? I wonder why? |
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:46:37 PM EDT
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*piss* *piss*
*piss* *piss* *piss* *piss* *piss* Who's gonna win this contest? 
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Posted: 9/12/2004 12:50:54 PM EDT
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At midnight we do win something, don't we. 
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