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Posted: 9/3/2004 6:38:43 AM EDT

[#1]

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Uh, the cops at Columbine didn't do a very good job, either.

And hey, Russia has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. If they don't want stuff like this to continue happening, they need to clean up their act. Any military solution is only going to encourage more such crimes.

And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

I'm curious here, if a military solution wasn't the answer here, what was?

...and how can you compare this to our foriegn policies? I don't see U.S. citizens taking hundreds of children hostage and executing them.

Posted: 9/3/2004 6:50:57 AM EDT

[#2]

One thing that bothers me, where is all of those do-gooders, such as Hillary Clintons, Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons with the condemnation and outrage. I would've thought they would be climbing walls. Their silence is deafening.

Posted: 9/3/2004 7:08:06 AM EDT

[#3]

1 - At 0850GMT a vehicle from the Emergencies Ministry is sent in to retrieve the bodies of those killed at the start of the siege
2 - A small number of the children being held hostage escape from the building. The attackers start firing at the children to try to block their escape. In response the Russian troops surrounding the school fire at the attackers
3 - A series of explosions rock the school gymnasium, bringing the roof of the building down

Posted: 9/3/2004 7:14:21 AM EDT

[#4]

The "Religion of Peace™" + genocide =

Posted: 9/3/2004 7:19:41 AM EDT

[#5]

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The way I see it, everyone in that school was considered dead as soon as the terrorists took over. Anyone that made it out alive is a bonus...

All I'm saying is that the Russians did the right thing, and could have gone alot worse.

Yep. We've seen what these Islamofascist terrorists will do to helpless captives without intervention.

I think my attitude, if captured by them would be, "I may get killed trying to escape, but I'm definitely dead if I do nothing and cooperate."

In these situations the reality is that there will be casualties. The goal would be to minimize them and take out the BGs.

Posted: 9/3/2004 7:50:10 AM EDT

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1 - At 0850GMT a vehicle from the Emergencies Ministry is sent in to retrieve the bodies of those killed at the start of the siege
2 - A small number of the children being held hostage escape from the building. The attackers start firing at the children to try to block their escape.In response the Russian troops surrounding the school fire at the attackers
3 - A series of explosions rock the school gymnasium, bringing the roof of the building down

Well, if it happened like that then the Russians didn't have a lot of choice in when to go in and how to do it.

Posted: 9/3/2004 7:55:36 AM EDT

[#7]

"active shooter", our military or LE would have had to do the same. And casualties would still have resulted.

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:12:44 AM EDT

[#8]

Now reported 100 dead… a terrible toll to be sure, but many hundreds are alive.

I think the Russians Commandos are to be commended on their bravery and dedication, they stormed a building knowing it to boody trapped to save the kids, reality was no was was expecting those children to come out alive, many have survived, for that we can be thankful……

Andy

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:19:24 AM EDT

[#9]

Problem with the Russian performance. They didn't maintain the perimeter, terrorists have reportedly escaped to nearby houses. I highly doubt US responders would give up the perimeter. And allow parents that close.

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:22:33 AM EDT

[#10]

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Russian News are reporting 300 injured, including 200 children, some 200 of the worst injured are being airlifted to Moscow to the best Military Hospitals. 13 terrorist are holed up in a house near the school and surrounded. 2 female terrorists undressed and escaped with the mothers and children… no reports on fatalities yet, situation is very fluid at the moment. Between 600-1000 hostages are now believed to have been in the building.

Children in the initial wave of escapees said they had been forced to drink urine such was the lack of water inside the school.

Andy

So then they have the female terrorists in custody? Or did they just run down the street naked and nobody thought to go after them.?

This was reported by the survivors about the two women sneaking out with them. Pretty much all the hostages had stripped down to their underwear because of the 90+ heat,

Andy

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:25:44 AM EDT

[#11]

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Now reported 100 dead? a terrible toll to be sure, but many hundreds are alive.

I think the Russians Commandos are to be commended on their bravery and dedication, they stormed a building knowing it to boody trapped to save the kids, reality was no was was expecting those children to come out alive, many have survived, for that we can be thankful??

Andy

I hear you there. Those guys were real brave, I think there is probably some dead Ruskie commandos in all of those bodies. Not to be PD/LE bashing, but here when during the Columbine incident, the local PD didn't go in until hours later, after the 2 perps killed themselves.

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:26:09 AM EDT

[#12]

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Uh, the cops at Columbine didn't do a very good job, either.

And hey, Russia has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. If they don't want stuff like this to continue happening, they need to clean up their act. Any military solution is only going to encourage more such crimes.

And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

Ever consider going somewhere else?

+2,000,000

Dickwad

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:34:12 AM EDT

[#13]

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"active shooter", our military or LE would have had to do the same. And casualties would still have resulted.

I'm wondering what size of group would be required here. I carry 300 rounds or so* and I'm the most armed guy in my department. Would'nt take much.

Yup, not much at all.

*=approximate

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:37:42 AM EDT

[#14]

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Uh, the cops at Columbine didn't do a very good job, either.

True they did not. It was fear, lack of training and total surprise, but we (Americans) learn fast. Look at flight 93. I'd expect another situation like columbine to receive a different response.

Quoted:
And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

Our foreign policy cannot and will not be an excuse for anyone harming a child. That is total BS and you are an idiot for saying it. I don't recall US troops taking children hostage and the implication that our actions are in any way similar to those of islamic fascists are way out of line.

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:42:49 AM EDT

[#15]

Fox is pissing me off, all they want to talk about is Bill Clinton's emergency heart surgery and not this REAL news event...

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:57:15 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Uh, the cops at Columbine didn't do a very good job, either.

And hey, Russia has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. If they don't want stuff like this to continue happening, they need to clean up their act. Any military solution is only going to encourage more such crimes.

And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

This is the mindset of the average libertarian. Read it and know it. The party attracts malcontents and radicals who hate government in every form. They don't just hate Clinton or Kerry, they hate the government and will find a reason to bitch about it regardless of who is in office. The only thing they care about is their hatred of the government, and they will ally themselves with anyone who they think also opposes the government, including communists, anarchists, and muslim terrorists.

They are just another version of the "hate-America" crowd in different clothing, and always about an inch away from becoming terrorists. Sorry for the high-jack, but The Neutral Observer is sick of the subversion of the Libertarian party and the new crowd's lies.

Posted: 9/3/2004 9:02:20 AM EDT

[#17]

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Uh, the cops at Columbine didn't do a very good job, either.

And hey, Russia has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. If they don't want stuff like this to continue happening, they need to clean up their act. Any military solution is only going to encourage more such crimes.

And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

This is the mindset of the average libertarian. Read it and know it. The party attracts malcontents and radicals who hate government in every form. They don't just hate Clinton or Kerry, they hate the government and will find a reason to bitch about it regardless of who is in office. The only thing they care about is their hatred of the government, and they will ally themselves with anyone who they think also opposes the government, including communists, anarchists, and muslim terrorists.

They are just another version of the "hate-America" crowd in different clothing, and always about an inch away from becoming terrorists. Sorry for the high-jack, but The Neutral Observer is sick of the subversion of the Libertarian party and the new crowd's lies.

Except that the only reason they hate goverment is because it makes them have to live in fear while trying to indulge in their reefers and child porn...

Posted: 9/3/2004 9:24:10 AM EDT

[#18]

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And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

Zell was talking to you, but you obviously dont have very good listening skills....

But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.

They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.

It is not their patriotism - it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

They were wrong.

They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.

They were wrong.

And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.

You need to be Zell-ized.

Posted: 9/3/2004 9:50:28 AM EDT

[#19]

To those of you who critisize the Russian commandoes action:
Not very easy going into a building where there are 1200+ (latest figures) hostages being held at gun-point and come out without casualties. Hopefully, we won't find out just how more (if at all) effective our SWAT teams (or would spec ops be brought in?) are at handling these sort of things.

Posted: 9/3/2004 10:00:04 AM EDT

[#20]

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Except that the only reason they hate goverment is because it makes them have to live in fear while trying to indulge in their reefers and child porn...

Don't knock all libertarians because of one idiotic assclown. I'd be willing to bet that fully one third of the members of this board have libertarian leanings, and are not into child porn and pot.

We believe you should be able live your life as YOU see fit, so long as you don't interfere with another's right to do the same through force or fraud.

Libertarians are against child porn numbnuts. Go to lp.org maybe you'll learn something.

You may also want to take this political quiz. Who knows maybe you're a libertarian too.

www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Posted: 9/3/2004 10:42:13 AM EDT

[#21]

i had tears in my eyes watching those poor kidz guzzling water bottle after water bottle from summer heat with no ventilation.

these people are not human...

euthanization for them..whatever means.

if i were a parent..
me and my pals would be making plans...in a basement somehwere..

Posted: 9/3/2004 3:31:29 PM EDT

[#22]

In another thread that was locked for CoC violations Lumpy196 said:

The day will come when we will say the name of the true enemy in this fight.

It just a matter of how much of the blood of children we have to see before we can bring ourselves to do it openly.

I could not agree more. Some of us aren't ready yet, but it will come.

Posted: 9/3/2004 4:07:19 PM EDT

[#23]

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Except that the only reason they hate goverment is because it makes them have to live in fear while trying to indulge in their reefers and child porn...

Don't knock all libertarians because of one idiotic assclown. I'd be willing to bet that fully one third of the members of this board have libertarian leanings, and are not into child porn and pot.

We believe you should be able live your life as YOU see fit, so long as you don't interfere with another's right to do the same through force or fraud.

Libertarians are against child porn numbnuts. Go to lp.org maybe you'll learn something.

You may also want to take this political quiz. Who knows maybe you're a libertarian too.

www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Let The Neutral Observer say that he has nothing against true libertarians and holds many of the ideals Himself, but the Libertarian party is not run by true libertarians anymore and no longer represents libertarian beliefs. Elements of the Republican party are much closer to true libertarianism than anyone else.

The Neutral Observer was a libertarian, until the Libertarian party was subverted by a pack of terrorists and driven to the fringe. They hate the government because they are immature and childish people who have never gotten over their rebellious stage, and they are so miserable in their lives that they place the blame elsewhere and construct this foolish fantasy world where their great evil, the government, is gone and everyone plays in fields of flowers and prances around in pure pleasure.

They are so full of hatred and bitterness that they will side with anyone who stands against what they wrongly perceive is the cause of their problems, including child murdering terrorists, as you all just saw with your own eyes.

The Libertarian party is a disgusting pack of wanna-be anarchist and communist thugs.

Posted: 9/3/2004 4:12:42 PM EDT

[#24]

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Except that the only reason they hate goverment is because it makes them have to live in fear while trying to indulge in their reefers and child porn...

Don't knock all libertarians because of one idiotic assclown. I'd be willing to bet that fully one third of the members of this board have libertarian leanings, and are not into child porn and pot.

We believe you should be able live your life as YOU see fit, so long as you don't interfere with another's right to do the same through force or fraud.

Libertarians are against child porn numbnuts. Go to lp.org maybe you'll learn something.

You may also want to take this political quiz. Who knows maybe you're a libertarian too.

www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Let The Neutral Observer say that he has nothing against true libertarians and holds many of the ideals Himself, but the Libertarian party is not run by true libertarians anymore and no longer represents libertarian beliefs. Elements of the Republican party are much closer to true libertarianism than anyone else.

The Neutral Observer was a libertarian, until the Libertarian party was subverted by a pack of terrorists and driven to the fringe. They hate the government because they are immature and childish people who have never gotten over their rebellious stage, and they are so miserable in their lives that they place the blame elsewhere and construct this foolish fantasy world where their great evil, the government, is gone and everyone plays in fields of flowers and prances around in pure pleasure.

They are so full of hatred and bitterness that they will side with anyone who stands against what they wrongly perceive is the cause of their problems, including child murdering terrorists, as you all just saw with your own eyes.

The Libertarian party is a disgusting pack of wanna-be anarchist and communist thugs.

T_N_O, do you really refer to yourself in the third person? A little pompous, aren't we?

Oh, nice hijack BTW. How 'bout we stop talking about your political ideologies and get back on track with this thread.

Edited to add: "The Chad thinks you're hot...The Chad wants you to be his lady tonight, aaahhhh yeeeahhh!"

Posted: 9/3/2004 4:19:55 PM EDT

[#25]

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Except that the only reason they hate goverment is because it makes them have to live in fear while trying to indulge in their reefers and child porn...

Don't knock all libertarians because of one idiotic assclown. I'd be willing to bet that fully one third of the members of this board have libertarian leanings, and are not into child porn and pot.

We believe you should be able live your life as YOU see fit, so long as you don't interfere with another's right to do the same through force or fraud.

Libertarians are against child porn numbnuts. Go to lp.org maybe you'll learn something.

You may also want to take this political quiz. Who knows maybe you're a libertarian too.

www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Let The Neutral Observer say that he has nothing against true libertarians and holds many of the ideals Himself, but the Libertarian party is not run by true libertarians anymore and no longer represents libertarian beliefs. Elements of the Republican party are much closer to true libertarianism than anyone else.

The Neutral Observer was a libertarian, until the Libertarian party was subverted by a pack of terrorists and driven to the fringe. They hate the government because they are immature and childish people who have never gotten over their rebellious stage, and they are so miserable in their lives that they place the blame elsewhere and construct this foolish fantasy world where their great evil, the government, is gone and everyone plays in fields of flowers and prances around in pure pleasure.

They are so full of hatred and bitterness that they will side with anyone who stands against what they wrongly perceive is the cause of their problems, including child murdering terrorists, as you all just saw with your own eyes.

The Libertarian party is a disgusting pack of wanna-be anarchist and communist thugs.

T_N_O, do you really refer to yourself in the third person? A little pompous, aren't we?

Oh, nice hijack BTW. How 'bout we stop talking about your political ideologies and get back on track with this thread.

That libertarian asshole is the one who hijacked your thread. Blame him. The Neutral Observer isn't the only one who is calling him on his bullshit.

Posted: 9/3/2004 7:53:14 PM EDT

[#26]

My kids are learing escape and evade, and various other counter measures... and of course they are also learning how to operate various types weapons. I also make sure the they don't go to to school completely unarmed.

Posted: 9/3/2004 7:59:49 PM EDT

[#27]

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Uh, the cops at Columbine didn't do a very good job, either.

And hey, Russia has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. If they don't want stuff like this to continue happening, they need to clean up their act. Any military solution is only going to encourage more such crimes.

And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

You sir, are without honor.

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:05:09 PM EDT

[#28]

Not only did they not control the primeter but also let the families and media hang out near the scene. They interfered with the operation and allowed some of them to escape. Armed civilians were also at the scene. One of them could have started the shooting.

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:24:25 PM EDT

[#29]

From what I hear some of the famlies took matters into thier own hands with the last 3 or 4 hold out terrorists,beating one to death, lynching another -- helping them fulfill thier quest to commune with allah wich they apparently lost the will to do on thier own when they ran out of running room. Also of the 20 or so terrorists approx half turned out to be not checnians but arabs ...Hmmmm
Religion of peace my a.. ! Sooner or later this will be tried here if we dont wake up as a country.

Some of the reports I have heard indicate at the outset of the hostage taking there were whole families at the school for the opening day festivities going on. Women and children were separated from the men and the men taken to another part of the building and executed right away. Also the gunbattle that erupted atarted when some children managed to get out of the building and ran. the terrorists opened fire on them shooting some in the back as they ran and the Russian troops opened up to try and protect the children as they ran. The Russian commander seeing the situation deteriorating ordered his troops to storm the building -- and it would seem prevented a much greater massacre as some of the terrorists inside had begun killing hostages inside the gymnasium. I dont believe the terrorists had any intention of releasing the bulk of thier children - even if the Russian gov had ceded to thier demands.

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:39:01 PM EDT

[#30]

May God be with the children and their parents in these time need!!!

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:46:04 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
Uh, the cops at Columbine didn't do a very good job, either.

And hey, Russia has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. If they don't want stuff like this to continue happening, they need to clean up their act. Any military solution is only going to encourage more such crimes.

And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

One day, you might get a clue, but I doubt it.

Posted: 9/3/2004 8:46:22 PM EDT

[#32]

The Iraqi beheadings done in the Chechen style
4 dead guys from Blackwater (Thought to have been ambushed by a squad of Chechens)
4 Dead Marines (thought to have been sniped by Chechens near Fallujah)
The Two Russian Airliners
200 dead men,women and children
Evacuate all secular Chechens, then do some Nuclear testing.
Yep, me, I SAID IT.
Did you see the blocks of Smetex w/ steel 1/2" ball baearings and 1" pices of steel rod pushed into them that the Chiggers hung from the cieling in the gym over the childrens heads?
O Vlad Tepesh wear are you when we need you?
They will hit polling places in Red States, or Malls on the day after Thanksgiving, or Malls on Halloween. One rumor has some 300 Chechens already in the US.

Posted: 9/3/2004 9:22:35 PM EDT

[#33]

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This is going to happen here eventually.

If Kerry gets elected, its almost guaranteed.

Actually, I was thinking if Bush gets elected it would happen...the terrorists sick sense of punishment or something.

Posted: 9/3/2004 9:26:41 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Uh, the cops at Columbine didn't do a very good job, either.

And hey, Russia has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. If they don't want stuff like this to continue happening, they need to clean up their act. Any military solution is only going to encourage more such crimes.

And please, if targeting children really bothers you so much, then do me a favor and don't be so gung-ho about our own nation's foreign policies, which include an awful lot of the same thing--dead kids, thousands of them.

Free country. You are certainly entitled to be a complete jackass.

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