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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:36:21 PM EDT
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I see the socialists coming out of the woodwork again.
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:43:07 PM EDT
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Haven't been keeping up with Buchanan have you?? The guy turned into a racist freak. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:45:15 PM EDT
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If you don't like how much you are getting paid, then quit, get a new job. That's the wonders of the system we have. This isn't the Soviet Union. I didn't like how much my old job was paying me. Instead of going onto a website and telling people how unfair it was, I quit and got a job that would pay me what I considered more fair. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:46:24 PM EDT
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i work for big blue. Salery +OT. so far nothing i have seen here affects me at all. Our HR dept hasn't made any changes either.
Just because the .gov says they don't have to pay something doesn't mean they will stop OT. They still have to consider losing highly trained/skiled employess to comapnies that will. mike |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:48:13 PM EDT
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Lets then pay our troops for the number of bullets they shoot? Lets pay Congrtess for the number of laws they pass? Lets pay the IRS for the number of tax dollars they collect? Lets pay our garbage men by the amount of garbage they collect. That way if you don't have much they don't bother to stop at all and you can look at it for another week. Thats what make you guys right wing wackos, you just don't think things through. It sounds good but even a little thought reveals the flaws. THINK!!! |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:49:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:54:27 PM EDT
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You just don't get any brighter, do you! "Taxation without representation is tyranny." |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:56:33 PM EDT
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OT is offered as an incentive to get you to work more than your agreed upon work week. My employer has always relied on OT to keep from hiring more employees. They also pay more to get people to work the off shifts. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:01:22 PM EDT
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As Cyanide stated, "vote your conscience." After all, this guy is...
Now, who is that other Kerry-supporter who is a Hanoi fan? Oh yes, I recall...  So, as Cyanide stated,... Vote your conscience. I know that I will! |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:01:53 PM EDT
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No. That would make no sense. They could just fire them off into the air, accomplishing nothing. But let's pay them for missions successfully carried out. That makes sense.
Nope. Let's pay them for writing the fewest number of laws that will accomplish the desired result. I believe that the less laws written, the more congress is productive.
Nope. Let's go to a flat tax and lay all of that deadwood off and make them get real, productive jobs, where they produce an actual product.
That makes sense. They should pick up a certain number of streets of garbage each day. Pay them for being productive.
That would be stupid. People should have reasonable work goals and be paid for accomplishing those goals. Setting those goals is the proper function of management. It is a well-established skill. You can get a degree from a University in this skill. It is called a degree in Business Administration in Management. I know, because I earned one.
Nope. That's what makes you nut-jobs, liberals. You don't understand capitalism and "a fair day's wages for a fair day's work".
As I have demonstrated, it is you that have not thought things through. Go to school. Learn a valuable skill. Apply it with determination. You will do well. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:02:48 PM EDT
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This is how it is where I work. Piece rate....typical friday: "Damn, you only made $500 last week? I cleared $750". -HS |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:07:44 PM EDT
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STILL voting for bush.
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:10:36 PM EDT
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Post from jimb100 -
It wouldn't be fair to folks like you if I were to get too much brighter! You most likely have self-esteem problems anyway, and I wouldn't want to add to that load that you must be carrying. 
Taxation WITH representation hasn't been much of a picnic, either! Eric The(Sassier'nHades)Hun 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:17:49 PM EDT
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II. Importance for Health Care Employees
Under the new regulations, nurses registered by the appropriate state board or agency generally meet the duties test for professional employees and can be exempt if paid a salary of at least $455 per week (but do not qualify if paid hourly, even if the weekly hourly wage exceeds $455). Likewise, certain registered or certified technicians, dental hygienists, and certified physicians' assistants may also qualify for the professional exemption. However, LPNs do NOT meet the duties test and are entitled to overtime pay. My girlfriend pulls home an average $200/mo home in OT in her (F/T, salaried) job as a homecare RN. The new law apparently absolves her employer from the need to pay her that. Knowing her employer, she's going to lose that as soon as they can cut it. Should she just go find another employer? News flash kiddies.. Every similar company employing RN's (in this area at least) is just as bad. For the DOL to rely on the kindness of employers is to invite increased abuse of the labor force. 5000 affected my ass. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:20:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:30:16 PM EDT
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So it's the job of the government to insure your girlfriend gets paid for overtime? |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:30:29 PM EDT
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Regarding the pay of nurses....
The market will determine what they are paid. No one is forced to work as a nurse. Just because you are an RN it doesn't mean you are entitled to what you want to make. People make what they are willing to work for. The market is never wrong. Next to Gunboat Gilligan's Cambodian Adventure, this needs to be seared into your brain. You decide on your place in the market and the market measures your worth. Simple as that. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:37:59 PM EDT
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 He does it to make money he has product and does not have to pay benefits , workers comp, SSN, Insurance. He can pay overtime and still make money ............. problem is some places demand / mandate you work OT. Anyway you paint it it sucks and Bush is nuts on this , plain nuts. And the ones who say it don't matter are pulling your leg for self serving reasons. shame on them, shame So far they do not care about the boarder they do not care about health insurance they do not care about overtime they do not care about the deposit they do not care about Medicaid they do not care about the Social Security system collapsing they just do not care they are blind, blind I tell , plumb blind to the facts of life what do they care about guns and Iraq more to being president than guns and Iraq. wake up people, before it is to late |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:39:59 PM EDT
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Again, this does NOT affect hourly workers. Just looked like it needed saying again.
 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:41:06 PM EDT
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You've got that right. I'm an over the road driver and we are not even covered by the "Fair Labor Standard Act" I get paid by the mile. If us drivers got paid by the hour the rest of you would starve to death. 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:42:26 PM EDT
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Uummmm.... this thread is about not having to pay 1.5x wages for overtime worked by white collar/professionals. The people you are talking about are likely hourly, and this has NO effect on them. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:42:33 PM EDT
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Cyanide,
No one has to do anything in the job market. It is all free choice. Employers don't have to even run a business. They can shut it down. Having a business is a burdensome responsibility. Having a job is a priviledge. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:45:25 PM EDT
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Right pleanty of jobs out there -- right. People, people, people wake up.......before it is to late. Time is running out for the USA |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:49:29 PM EDT
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I've read this over and over, and it still doesn't make sense to me "He does it to make money" Who does what to make money? "and does not have to pay benefits , workers comp, SSN, Insurance." Pay benefits, workers comp, SSN, Insurance? Who? Bush? Pay that to who? "He can pay overtime and still make money ............. problem is some places demand / mandate you work OT." Huh? The first clause doesn't have anything to do with the second clause. "Anyway you paint it it sucks and Bush is nuts on this , plain nuts." Plain nuts on what? The OT thing that everyone has been complaining about for years? The OT thing that might improve the marketplace or might not? "And the ones who say it don't matter are pulling your leg for self serving reasons." Who says it don't matter? And what self serving reasons? That's what I mean when I say it doesn't make sense, simply that, it doesn't make sense. I must be missing my John Kerry endorsed decoder ring or something. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:50:59 PM EDT
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I can tell then that your a Bush supporter. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:53:28 PM EDT
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And most of us can tell you're full of sh*t. 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:55:42 PM EDT
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Before they approach you again, you should probably learn to spell Sergeant |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 5:08:21 PM EDT
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He is more of an isolationist than he was in the past, and he would also like to keep illegal immigration down. As far as him being a "racist freak", I'm not sure what your source is. If you read his "The Death of the West", for example, I don't think you can support that view of him. He is not in favor of huge reparations to the descendents of slaves. He believes that people of European descent have been the major players in the success of this country. He sees the Rev. Jesse as a con man. So? Be interested to know how he could be characterized as racist (by something he has said, not what someone has said about him). Got facts? |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 5:12:51 PM EDT
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Let me get this straight Glockfan, you make your first post about how Bush wants to keep the rich and corporations richer with this new law.
Then the only example of how it would do so you can find is a government employee? I really, really fail to see the connection. If this law actually hits government employees harder, than its not keeping the rich richer, it is saving tax dollars. As for performance measures for cops, you set a range from XXXX-XXXX and base it on stuff like performance evaluations, pt test scores, and a whole host of other factors. BTW, while your complaining about having to give up a little overtime like its the end of the world our soldiers are busting thier ass working putting in 18-20 hour days 7 days a week in the shittiest locations on earth with no overtime...... and not whining like a little girl. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 7:09:14 PM EDT
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I don't get overtime pay no matter how many hours I work. And I am represented by a (really crappy) union.
GunLvr |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 7:20:13 PM EDT
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I don't get OT, but regardless, this election is more important than this issue. During the next several years, the people on TSCOTUS will shape law in the US for years to come. From my point of view, we need to look at who gets to pick the next few judges for TSCOTUS... the 2nd Amend and interpretation of lots of social issues hangs in the balance. I would prefer that a conservative/independant pick those serving on the SCOTUS.
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Posted: 8/22/2004 7:26:23 PM EDT
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Some of us (apparently not you) have work ethics. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 7:29:38 PM EDT
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Looks like Bush is STILL ahead in My Book. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 7:33:09 PM EDT
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OK it's now official. YOU KNOW ABSOLUTLY ZERO ABOUT THE MILITARY. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 8:17:16 PM EDT
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SURE IS! They stepped in to curtail it, didn't they? Why? For what measurable gain are we taking pay from healthcare workers? Careful in your answer man.. Your grandmother might be hours 41-45 in her schedule for the week. The saving grace there is she cares more about her patients than her paycheck.
That's why there's a shortage of them. Low pay rates, long hours, shitty work conditions. Big surprise, who would WANT to be a nurse? So now we've got the DOL stepping in to further reduce the benefits. The healthcare available in your area has ALREADY suffered because of "what the market will bear", and it will get worse. She runs a caseload of about 25 homebound patients. One of those patients needs daily care? Sorry Charlie, you best have family to help out. That's not her choice, that's her company. You get LPN's doing the work of RN's, and frankly RN's doing the work of MD's. Lauren is currently working toward a BSN, and then a 3-year acupuncture course (it's the only way to get a cert in NJ). She'll be out of primary healthcare just as soon as she can. Most of the nurses she works with have their own plans to get out. Just because your ass shows up at the hospital doesn't mean you are entitled to competant, timely care either, and god help you if you go in and come out needing further care. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 8:18:19 PM EDT
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CavVet- Thanks, man. These pics almost made me hurt myself laughing. Thank you, sir. I for one needed a good laugh. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 8:24:22 PM EDT
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The question is do you work for a living or do you make your money of the backs of others. ( big buisness)  Glockfan- your post was so confusing, that I may be wrong. Please tell me you didn't make the above comment. It just sounds so wrong coming from someone who works for the government. Try to remember that anything you hear from the unions is pure propaganda. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 8:44:11 PM EDT
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WinstonSmith- I don't know where your gf works, but my sister has worked as an RN in NJ for about 15 years and has made great money since day one. Plus, the hospital paid for her nursing school. You gf is either misrepresenting what she makes, or you are out of touch regarding what constitutes a good salary, or she really does need a different job. How much does your gf make? I can ask my sister if her company is hiring, if you want me to. What you should be asking yourself is why your taxes are so high in NJ. Answer: Corrupt Democrats, teachers unions, and other unions. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 9:41:00 PM EDT
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Your pay should be between you an your employer, not controlled by some federal law. When such things are regulated by the .gov someone is allways going to get screwed (they prefer the smallest voting block)
Owning forearms, however, is a right mandated by the constitution. Without this right our forefathers (correctly I think) realized that all other rights could become moot. You will be the one in the voting booth, but this is my two cents, I don't see a choice at all. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 9:55:33 PM EDT
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Nice numbers, but who actually believes it? Do you really believe companys would have let this pass if they were actually going to be paying MORE overtime? Hell no! Only the true hardcore GOP sheep will swallow that horse shit. So, this law was passed to HELP workers? Bullshit! |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 10:23:18 PM EDT
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I now must to go read a few chapters of Atlas Shrugged or I'll have a stroke. If there is such a high percentage of commie posts and low understanding of capitalism on AR15, what it must be like <<shudder>> on other boards? Things seem grim. To all of you who really understand the truth I thank you, you keep hope alive.
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Posted: 8/22/2004 10:41:07 PM EDT
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That's comforting I bet to be utterly completely mired in the belief that industry, as a whole, left unchecked will run for the benefit of everyone. Show me, wise capitalist patriot, some upsides to the times when government was completely removed from regulating working conditions and pay. I hate the government's mitts in business, but history has proven how necessary it ends up being, like it or not. Does that make me a commie? Crack open a book sometime (other than Ayn Rand) and learn what working conditions were like before collective bargaining and federal work laws started improving things. I'm no labor union fan, nor do I like gubment, but we as a nation are a million times better off now than at the turn of the century. Care to dismantle that claim? |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:51:18 PM EDT
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I do not think it will hit government workers harder. Most government employees are unionized and in the case of some there is also civil service laws that protect their overtime pay. I am a RN for the County of Los Angeles and this law will have zero effect on my overtime pay. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:16:04 AM EDT
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So your most intelligent response is to break the code of conduct and attack me. Lets keep professional shall we. Now back to the original thread. The free market system with out goverment regulation would not work at least not for everyone. You would have a large class of poor people that work in sweat shops and a small class of extreemly wealthy buisness owners. Much like uncontrolled 3rd world economies. As for Kendy's quote ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country. Well my country is not paying my salary my employer is. I don't think workers should be able to be worked more than 40 hours a week without greater compensation. I agree with overtime pay. Apparently some here do not. Thats fine. But its another reason for me not to vote for Bush. Bush is simply hurting himself. Apparently 3 americans agree with me for everyone that does not on this issue. That can't be good for Bush in the upcomming election. At this point I almost hope Kerry wins. Pat |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:21:06 AM EDT
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OK it's now official. YOU KNOW ABSOLUTLY ZERO ABOUT THE MILITARY.
END QUOTE Neither does Bush he was too busy being AWOL from the National Guard. Its funny that Kerry has a better Military record than the Republican Incumbant president. This is not a Republican Democrate thing or a conservative liberal thing. Its simply a matter of Bush being one of the worst presidents in History even when compared to Clinton. Pat |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:48:45 AM EDT
[#46]
Whatever the hell you are smoking, keep that shit away from me. 
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:50:15 AM EDT
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Asked ANYONE in the military if they share your opinion on that? |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 1:29:41 AM EDT
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I am in the military, and I served a year in Iraq. Bush did the right thing and Bush is also way better than Clinton and will be better than Kerry ever could. Note: I am in the National Guard and I served in Iraq longer than most Active Duty units like 82nd Airborne, 101st, 10th Mountain, 3rd ID. So tell me again how I can avoid going to war by joining the Guard? Kerry lost all of my respect as a veteran the second that he called his fellow servicemembers war criminals and campaigned against Americans. I firmly believe that several of our Prisoner's of War were killed by the North Vietnamese when Kerry provided them ammunition. It's in a past issue of SOF, the one about the faulty magazines. A guy was a POW and they were being the best they ever were in a long time. The guy was called into an interrogators room and shown the newspapers that carried Kerry's remarks. The North Vietnamese told him that even his own fellow serviceman felt they were criminals and the beatings resumed. Several guys were beaten to death. I also think that Kerry lied for his medals. You don't go to Vietnam, get three purple hearts , and a bronze star and leave in four months without some form of permanent injury. Bob Dole only got one purple heart, and he doesn't have the use of his arm! I would put Bush's military service against Kerry's military service any day of the week, if that includes their actions after the war. Bush never called his fellow Americans war criminals. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 2:33:04 AM EDT
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When GW was a pilot, GHW was the head of the CIA. Thus GW COULD NOT fly in Vietnam, no matter what, because if he were to be captured it would be a serious security liability to have the CIA director's son held by the enemy. Thus, he was relegated to duty only in the continental US, not by his own personal choice. The AWOL shit doesn't wash, and your use of it shows your true colors (red). |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 3:09:37 AM EDT
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You should make that your sig line, Pat. Then maybe people would treat you with the respect you deserve. |
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