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Posted: 8/22/2004 6:01:53 AM EDT

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But he must have spent the night at a holiday inn express, cause he plays the hero part well.

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Posted: 8/22/2004 6:02:13 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

Posted: 8/22/2004 6:03:28 AM EDT

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Cyanide you have me thoroughly confused. You have been playing the Devil's Advocate all this time

Well sir, fact is I wish we had someone else to vote for -- both candidates are scum in my opinion.

And if I have to vote for scum, I am going to call it the way I see it.

Posted: 8/22/2004 6:51:15 AM EDT

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Cyanide, I'm going to explain this one more time to you...

In 1996 the men in question had not heard the accounts from the other swiftees with Kerry on Feb 28, 1969. They were not on the mission. They read Kerry's after action report. When presented with new accounts from MULTIPLE sources, who never had revised their stories, or asked for revisions to their military record, they saw the light and Kerry for what he is.

Posted: 8/22/2004 6:53:49 AM EDT

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Yes, but the bottom line is Kerry has 4 1/2 months of duty in VN and geroge has nothing but a list of NO SHOWS for his National Gaurd commitment -- of which some records of have disappeared -- now , why don't that surprise me !

But he must have spent the night at a holiday inn express, cause he plays the hero part well.

www.axisofweasels.com/blog/images/20847.52BUSH-ABRAHAM-LINCOLN.sff.jpg

No, the bottom line is, Kerry is a socialist lying scumbag that will destroy this country, while President Bush is a good man who has done his best to defend it. You can try to muddy the waters all you want, but that is still the bottom line.

Posted: 8/22/2004 6:54:19 AM EDT

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Cyanide you have me thoroughly confused. You have been playing the Devil's Advocate all this time

Well sir, fact is I wish we had someone else to vote for -- both candidates are scum in my opinion.

Your opinion is idiotic and false.

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:02:46 AM EDT

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I know you hope it does, cy...but it won't.

You misjudge me.

No, I don't believe I do.

I don't believe he do either. Nor do I. You profess to support GW, but post more anti-Bush stuff than anyone. Why? You sound like a Democrap troll. I'm not saying you are, of course--C0C ya know--but your statements just do not make sense.

My vehicle

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case closed

Is it just me or do these stickers look photoshopped in?

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:12:13 AM EDT

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Yes, but the bottom line is Kerry has 4 1/2 months of duty in VN and geroge has nothing but a list of NO SHOWS for his National Gaurd commitment -- of which some records of have disappeared -- now , why don't that surprise me !

But he must have spent the night at a holiday inn express, cause he plays the hero part well.

www.axisofweasels.com/blog/images/20847.52BUSH-ABRAHAM-LINCOLN.sff.jpg

The only reason you don't get shouted off this board is because of the conduct code, do you realize that? You are a sad and pathetic man.

You're DAMN RIGHT he plays the part well. He has spent the last 3 years as a wartime COMMANDER IN CHIEF - and a very damn successful one, at that! That sounds like service to me.

Have you ever spent a day in the National Guard? How does on learn to fly a jet interceptor without showing up? You folks have no clue how IGNORANT you sound when you spout your BS - those of us whp have done these things talked about in the news see right through political smears by people so ignorant about how the military works.

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:15:26 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

If character was as relevant as you assume, we would have NO choice between the two. Neither GWB or Kerry impress me.

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:17:43 AM EDT

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Yes, but the bottom line is Kerry has 4 1/2 months of duty in VN and geroge has nothing but a list of NO SHOWS for his National Gaurd commitment -- of which some records of have disappeared -- now , why don't that surprise me !

But he must have spent the night at a holiday inn express, cause he plays the hero part well.

www.axisofweasels.com/blog/images/20847.52BUSH-ABRAHAM-LINCOLN.sff.jpg

The only reason you don't get shouted off this board is because of the conduct code, do you realize that? You are a sad and pathetic man.

You're DAMN RIGHT he plays the part well. He has spent the last 3 years as a wartime COMMANDER IN CHIEF - and a very damn successful one, at that! That sounds like service to me.

Have you ever spent a day in the National Guard? How does on learn to fly a jet interceptor without showing up? You folks have no clue how IGNORANT you sound when you spout your BS - those of us whp have done these things talked about in the news see right through political smears by people so ignorant about how the military works.

thank you Sir

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:20:13 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

If character was as relevant as you assume, we would have NO choice between the two. Neither GWB or Kerry impress me.

what exactly has W done to compromise his character?facts only please.no mm shit.

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:23:48 AM EDT

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The election is just over 2 months away. Before it isover, Kerry is going to wish that all the stories he told were true and that in fact he was back in Nam actually taking fire. Surrounded by sycophants and yes-men nearly his entire adult life, our Gunboat Gilligan is in for some of the roughest weeks of his life.

If the media gets the idea that Kerry won't win, they will turn on him life a pirrhana on a mouse. The story will be the torpedoing of JFK2. The media does not want to keep saying Kerry will win and then have egg on their face. Remember that picture of Truman holding up the newspaper with the headline "Dewey Wins!"....well that is a reporter's worse nightmare.

The media hates being proved wrong. That is why corrections to stories are buried. That is why they have a letters to the editor section. They will print inaccuracies as fact, but corrections are treated as opinion.

I am hopeful, but honestly not confident yet, that the media is going to break with Kerry. After the convention, if Kerry is unable to immediately overcome W's bounce, the stories will start about what Kerry did or didn't do that is causing him to lose. Also, the Swifties and their ties to W, real or imagined, will get even greater press.

The media loves new stories. The skirting of campaign finance laws will get to be a hotter topic. If Kerry's camp was the only one accused of it, then it would be ignored. The Swifties changed all that.

The Swifties have not only brought Kerry's lies to the forefront, but they have also started a fight about soft money expenditures by orgainizations officially not tied to the candidates. Kerry is much more vulnerable in this regard.

Kerry screwed himself by making a big deal of his imagined war record. There is an old West Texas saying that goes something like this: "When you stir a bucket of shit you are going to get some on you."

The shit bucket is now on fully auto and Kerry won't be getting any Purple Hearts for this action.

I like cyanide, I know I haven't been around here long enough to say anything like a regular. But ol cyanide likes stirring the shit bucket and he apparently doesn't mind if a little shit gets on him.

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:25:00 AM EDT

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Cyanide, I'm going to explain this one more time to you...

In 1996 the men in question had not heard the accounts from the other swiftees with Kerry on Feb 28, 1969. They were not on the mission. They read Kerry's after action report. When presented with new accounts from MULTIPLE sources, who never had revised their stories, or asked for revisions to their military record, they saw the light and Kerry for what he is.

What's amazing to me is that the DNC cronies are tying to paint these men as life-long political partisans, when those 1996 quotes clearly show otherwise.

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:27:38 AM EDT

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Cyanide you have me thoroughly confused. You have been playing the Devil's Advocate all this time

Well sir, fact is I wish we had someone else to vote for -- both candidates are scum in my opinion.

Your opinion is idiotic and false.

Next time kid, get more jelly donuts please.

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:30:57 AM EDT

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My vehicle

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case closed

So, you ever catch the guy who put the sticker on your bumper?

Will you show the plate so I can run it? Just to prove it's yours, of course....

This from a guy who don't even show what state he is from ...

You raised. I'll call. I live in more than one state but I'll be glad to post 'em right after you do.. And your reason for not showing where you're from is...?

Not to poke a hole in your guard theory, but it's obvious you don't know how guard and reserve time works. You don't exactly have to be there for each and every meeting. You must have a minimum amount of hours each year, unless you're excused and the reasons for temporarily excusing service are many. How many hours did GW have that one year--enough? Was his service excused?

I gotta say once again that I've never seen someone profess to support a candidate and yet be so vocal about tearing the person down. You, sir, are a puzzler. But we'll take your vote, warts and all.....

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:57:00 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

If character was as relevant as you assume, we would have NO choice between the two. Neither GWB or Kerry impress me.

And I really don't give a damn what impresses you.

Posted: 8/22/2004 7:57:30 AM EDT

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Cyanide you have me thoroughly confused. You have been playing the Devil's Advocate all this time

Well sir, fact is I wish we had someone else to vote for -- both candidates are scum in my opinion.

Your opinion is idiotic and false.

Next time kid, get more jelly donuts please.

Next time, old fart, get more facts.

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:10:51 AM EDT

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As long as Cyanide votes Bush, who cares what he posts?

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:21:58 AM EDT

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Cyanide you have me thoroughly confused. You have been playing the Devil's Advocate all this time

Well sir, fact is I wish we had someone else to vote for -- both candidates are scum in my opinion.

Your opinion is idiotic and false.

Next time kid, get more jelly donuts please.

Next time, old fart, get more facts.

You funny Some day you will grow up, and realize that your elders really did know more than you. Some day.

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:25:32 AM EDT

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Adam white says

The only reason you don't get shouted off this board is because of the conduct code, do you realize that? You are a sad and pathetic man.

You're DAMN RIGHT he plays the part well. He has spent the last 3 years as a wartime COMMANDER IN CHIEF - and a very damn successful one, at that! That sounds like service to me.

Have you ever spent a day in the National Guard? How does on learn to fly a jet interceptor without showing up? You folks have no clue how IGNORANT you sound when you spout your BS - those of us whp have done these things talked about in the news see right through political smears by people so ignorant about how the military works.

No I spent over three years in the Army.

I turned 18 wearing the uniform and in a fox hole . Know what that is ? (where were you when you turned 18 years old ?)

When I was in the RA (regular Army) ------- NG was a draft dodge. And they were treated like it also.

Your turn to impress me with your military experiences.

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:27:16 AM EDT

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surely noone here believes cy is gonna vote anything but kerry.he is just ashamed to admit it.he hopes that by saying he is gonna vote bush but slurring him at the same time that he will lend some credibility to his bullshit,maybe swaying a couple of us.i belive rush calls them seminar callers.

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:31:35 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

If character was as relevant as you assume, we would have NO choice between the two. Neither GWB or Kerry impress me.

And I really don't give a damn what impresses you.

Why would a twelve year old self-confessed shit stirrer care ?

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:35:30 AM EDT

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Regardless of how it effects GWB, it's going to stick with Hanoi John for the rest of his life. He escaped the bruising for decades. It's about time he found out what people think of him. He's lived in an insulated world for a long time. This is all just a reality check for both today's and future candidates. What goes around, comes around.

What saddens me about this election, is the press as gone a long way to discredit itself as a source of information, rather than propoganda.

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:47:34 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

If character was as relevant as you assume, we would have NO choice between the two. Neither GWB or Kerry impress me.
what exactly has W done to compromise his character?facts only please.no mm shit.

well,wetidler?what about it.you looking up stuff off DU?hard to find anything not easily refutable or irrelevant,huh?

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:49:55 AM EDT

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Adam white says

The only reason you don't get shouted off this board is because of the conduct code, do you realize that? You are a sad and pathetic man.

You're DAMN RIGHT he plays the part well. He has spent the last 3 years as a wartime COMMANDER IN CHIEF - and a very damn successful one, at that! That sounds like service to me.

Have you ever spent a day in the National Guard? How does on learn to fly a jet interceptor without showing up? You folks have no clue how IGNORANT you sound when you spout your BS - those of us whp have done these things talked about in the news see right through political smears by people so ignorant about how the military works.

No I spent over three years in the Army.

I turned 18 wearing the uniform and in a fox hole . Know what that is ? (where were you when you turned 18 years old ?)

When I was in the RA (regular Army) ------- NG was a draft dodge. And they were treated like it also.

Your turn to impress me with your military experiences.

When I turned 18, I was a PFC in the same Army - albeit CONUS. I turned 24 in Kuwait, 25, 26, and 27 in Korea.

You may have turned 18, but you still ACT 12.

Why would Bush have volunteered for officer training and pilot training if all he wanted to do was dodge the draft? Couldn't he have been an E-nothing supply clerk somewhere? Couldn't he have pretended to be interested in ROTC then wrote a letter about his loathing of the military?

Bush has NEVER made his military experience an issue here. Kerry is making it the focus of his campaign. Why does the DNC feel military service is suddenly so importanct? 12 years ago a draft- dodger beat out a seasoned and shot-down WWII fighter pilot - and the DNC thought that was well and good.

It's the hypocracy that bothers me. Please point out where Bush has been a hypocrite.

Posted: 8/22/2004 8:58:23 AM EDT

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The only reason you don't get shouted off this board is because of the conduct code, do you realize that? You are a sad and pathetic man.

You're DAMN RIGHT he plays the part well. He has spent the last 3 years as a wartime COMMANDER IN CHIEF - and a very damn successful one, at that! That sounds like service to me.

Have you ever spent a day in the National Guard? How does on learn to fly a jet interceptor without showing up? You folks have no clue how IGNORANT you sound when you spout your BS - those of us whp have done these things talked about in the news see right through political smears by people so ignorant about how the military works.

No I spent over three years in the Army.

I turned 18 wearing the uniform and in a fox hole . Know what that is ? (where were you when you turned 18 years old ?)

When I was in the RA (regular Army) ------- NG was a draft dodge. And they were treated like it also.

Your turn to impress me with your military experiences.

When I turned 18, I was a PFC in the same Army - albeit CONUS. I turned 24 in Kuwait, 25, 26, and 27 in Korea.

You may have turned 18, but you still ACT 12.

Why would Bush have volunteered for officer training and pilot training if all he wanted to do was dodge the draft? Couldn't he have been an E-nothing supply clerk somewhere? Couldn't he have pretended to be interested in ROTC then wrote a letter about his loathing of the military?

Bush has NEVER made his military experience an issue here. Kerry is making it the focus of his campaign. Why does the DNC feel military service is suddenly so importanct? 12 years ago a draft- dodger beat out a seasoned and shot-down WWII fighter pilot - and the DNC thought that was well and good.excellent point,adam.i have been meaning to mention that for a while,always seem to get sidetracked.i love it when their double standards are so detrimental to their credibility.

It's the hypocracy that bothers me. Please point out where Bush has been a hypocrite.

Posted: 8/22/2004 9:00:43 AM EDT

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Adam white says

The only reason you don't get shouted off this board is because of the conduct code, do you realize that? You are a sad and pathetic man.

You're DAMN RIGHT he plays the part well. He has spent the last 3 years as a wartime COMMANDER IN CHIEF - and a very damn successful one, at that! That sounds like service to me.

Have you ever spent a day in the National Guard? How does on learn to fly a jet interceptor without showing up? You folks have no clue how IGNORANT you sound when you spout your BS - those of us whp have done these things talked about in the news see right through political smears by people so ignorant about how the military works.

No I spent over three years in the Army.

I turned 18 wearing the uniform and in a fox hole . Know what that is ? (where were you when you turned 18 years old ?)

When I was in the RA (regular Army) ------- NG was a draft dodge. And they were treated like it also.

Your turn to impress me with your military experiences.

When I turned 18, I was a PFC in the same Army - albeit CONUS. I turned 24 in Kuwait, 25, 26, and 27 in Korea.

You may have turned 18, but you still ACT 12.

Why would Bush have volunteered for officer training and pilot training if all he wanted to do was dodge the draft? Couldn't he have been an E-nothing supply clerk somewhere? Couldn't he have pretended to be interested in ROTC then wrote a letter about his loathing of the military?

Bush has NEVER made his military experience an issue here. Kerry is making it the focus of his campaign. Why does the DNC feel military service is suddenly so importanct? 12 years ago a draft- dodger beat out a seasoned and shot-down WWII fighter pilot - and the DNC thought that was well and good.

It's the hypocracy that bothers me. Please point out where Bush has been a hypocrite.

i messed up my last post,should have read;i love it when their double standards destroy their credibility.

Posted: 8/22/2004 9:37:01 AM EDT

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The only reason you don't get shouted off this board is because of the conduct code, do you realize that? You are a sad and pathetic man.

You're DAMN RIGHT he plays the part well. He has spent the last 3 years as a wartime COMMANDER IN CHIEF - and a very damn successful one, at that! That sounds like service to me.

Have you ever spent a day in the National Guard? How does on learn to fly a jet interceptor without showing up? You folks have no clue how IGNORANT you sound when you spout your BS - those of us whp have done these things talked about in the news see right through political smears by people so ignorant about how the military works.

No I spent over three years in the Army.

I turned 18 wearing the uniform and in a fox hole . Know what that is ? (where were you when you turned 18 years old ?)

When I was in the RA (regular Army) ------- NG was a draft dodge. And they were treated like it also.

Your turn to impress me with your military experiences.

When I turned 18, I was a PFC in the same Army - albeit CONUS. I turned 24 in Kuwait, 25, 26, and 27 in Korea.

You may have turned 18, but you still ACT 12.

Why would Bush have volunteered for officer training and pilot training if all he wanted to do was dodge the draft? Couldn't he have been an E-nothing supply clerk somewhere? Couldn't he have pretended to be interested in ROTC then wrote a letter about his loathing of the military?

Bush has NEVER made his military experience an issue here. Kerry is making it the focus of his campaign. Why does the DNC feel military service is suddenly so importanct? 12 years ago a draft- dodger beat out a seasoned and shot-down WWII fighter pilot - and the DNC thought that was well and good.

It's the hypocracy that bothers me. Please point out where Bush has been a hypocrite.

OK

It ain't so bad to be ripped by one who has done it.

I'm impressed. You have the right to rip me, you earned it.

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:00:48 AM EDT

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Oh man, somebody got a spatula to scrape my friend cyanide off the floor?

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:05:46 AM EDT

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HIJACK WARNING

Speaking of foxholes, our platoon leader ordered us to surround our hooch with blast barrels, and dig fox holes outside each door. Being Vietnam, we had to chop the lid off each fuel drum with a hatchet and fill it with dirt. We dug the fox holes and cleaned the snakes out of the bunkers with some traded for minifrag grenades. Being a good platoon leader, Captain MacDonald scrounged up some steaks, potato salad and beer for a BBQ when we finished. When I went to grab a beer, I walked out of the ready room and did a tennis leap over the blast barrels. My little yelp alerted everyone to turn and watch me drop directly into a foxhole, to the applause and cheers of the entire platoon.

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:05:53 AM EDT

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Yes, but the bottom line is Kerry has 4 1/2 months of duty in VN and geroge has nothing but a list of NO SHOWS for his National Gaurd commitment -- of which some records of have disappeared -- now , why don't that surprise me !

But he must have spent the night at a holiday inn express, cause he plays the hero part well.

www.axisofweasels.com/blog/images/20847.52BUSH-ABRAHAM-LINCOLN.sff.jpg

And you claim to be a GWB supporter when you spout the disproven lies about NO SHOWS.

GWB did not call his collegues war criminals and baby killers, but Kerry sure as hell did.

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:06:45 AM EDT

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"Wet clean-up in G.D.! Wet clean-up in G.D.!"

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:07:18 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

Hell, he lead anti-America marches in Moscow a month later.

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:09:30 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

If character was as relevant as you assume, we would have NO choice between the two. Neither GWB or Kerry impress me.

Well, you don't impress me. Actually, you do, but very negatively.

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:11:50 AM EDT

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Well considering that GWB didn't get the Swift Vets going, how could it?

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:11:58 AM EDT

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"Wet clean-up in G.D.! Wet clean-up in G.D.!"

When your right, your right

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:12:57 AM EDT

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Adam white says

The only reason you don't get shouted off this board is because of the conduct code, do you realize that? You are a sad and pathetic man.

You're DAMN RIGHT he plays the part well. He has spent the last 3 years as a wartime COMMANDER IN CHIEF - and a very damn successful one, at that! That sounds like service to me.

Have you ever spent a day in the National Guard? How does on learn to fly a jet interceptor without showing up? You folks have no clue how IGNORANT you sound when you spout your BS - those of us whp have done these things talked about in the news see right through political smears by people so ignorant about how the military works.

No I spent over three years in the Army.

I turned 18 wearing the uniform and in a fox hole . Know what that is ? (where were you when you turned 18 years old ?)

When I was in the RA (regular Army) ------- NG was a draft dodge. And they were treated like it also.

Your turn to impress me with your military experiences.

Well, I was active duty from 1969 to 1973 and never considered the Guard as a draft dodge. If you treated them as anything other than fellow service members, then you are a small minded individual. That would explain why you are voting for Kerry.

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:22:41 AM EDT

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Well, as for the "No Shows". Bushes record shows he was where he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be. Bush spent a year training to fly the F102. Bush volunteered for Vietnam but was turned down for 2 reasons. 1) The F102 was not cleared for missions in Vietnam. 2) At the time didn't have the requisite seat time for deployment. Also at the time the Airforce was up to it's eyeballs in pilots. Bushes fitreps have been released and are out in the open. Kerry's, on the other hand are sealed. Also it appears his citations were "amended" sometime in the 80's to include references to combat that apparently did not occur. His Silver Star commendation was referenced to include "V". This is not part of the Silver Star commendations. The plot thickens. The spinmeisters in the Democratic party are having a hell of a time keeping the lies straight.How stupid do they think we are?

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:33:09 AM EDT

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Don't think this will be a winning issue for Kerry. It was brought as a defining item but the fact that Kerry blocked re-publication of his book from the 70's belies his willingness to actually stand on his record of service and the aftermath of war protest. For me it's easy to conclude that blocking re-publication of "The New Soldier" shows him to be a fraud regarding his claims on Vietnam....and he knows it.

www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Swett20040224.shtml

One side of Vietnam, getting wounded and awarded medals (with moving pictures to back up the mental images) serves him well. The other side, the protest and decidedly anarchist bent of his friends in the movement are an embarassment at best, a cynical landmine at worst. Once again, the real John Kerry is MIA. Maybe there is no real John Kerry, just a mass of of grey nuance.

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:35:44 AM EDT

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Well, as for the "No Shows". Bushes record shows he was where he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be. Bush spent a year training to fly the F102. Bush volunteered for Vietnam but was turned down for 2 reasons. 1) The F102 was not cleared for missions in Vietnam. 2) At the time didn't have the requisite seat time for deployment. Also at the time the Airforce was up to it's eyeballs in pilots. Bushes fitreps have been released and are out in the open. Kerry's, on the other hand are sealed. Also it appears his citations were "amended" sometime in the 80's to include references to combat that apparently did not occur. His Silver Star commendation was referenced to include "V". This is not part of the Silver Star commendations. The plot thickens. The spinmeisters in the Democratic party are having a hell of a time keeping the lies straight.

How stupid do they think we are?

We better not go there.

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:42:15 AM EDT

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Well, as for the "No Shows". Bushes record shows he was where he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be. Bush spent a year training to fly the F102. Bush volunteered for Vietnam but was turned down for 2 reasons. 1) The F102 was not cleared for missions in Vietnam. 2) At the time didn't have the requisite seat time for deployment. Also at the time the Airforce was up to it's eyeballs in pilots. Bushes fitreps have been released and are out in the open. Kerry's, on the other hand are sealed. Also it appears his citations were "amended" sometime in the 80's to include references to combat that apparently did not occur. His Silver Star commendation was referenced to include "V". This is not part of the Silver Star commendations. The plot thickens. The spinmeisters in the Democratic party are having a hell of a time keeping the lies straight.

How stupid do they think we are?

We better not go there.

Bitch! LOL!

Posted: 8/22/2004 10:58:50 AM EDT

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Gunboat Gilligan .

I LOVE it!!! May I quote you?

Remember guys, you heard it here first!

Posted: 8/22/2004 11:11:43 AM EDT

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Some day you will grow up

But you never will.

Posted: 8/22/2004 11:12:15 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

If character was as relevant as you assume, we would have NO choice between the two. Neither GWB or Kerry impress me.

And I really don't give a damn what impresses you.

Why would a twelve year old self-confessed shit stirrer care ?

I don't know...why WOULD you care?

Posted: 8/22/2004 11:15:24 AM EDT

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1) The F102 was not cleared for missions in Vietnam. ...

See: Aircraft losses -Vietnam War
It may have not been "cleared" but 14 were lost there.

Posted: 8/22/2004 11:17:00 AM EDT

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wetidlerjr,character is very relevant.kerry is not fit to lead.as one of the vets said.he gave voluntarily that which we endured years of torture to avoid saying .he should be in prison.the last dem pres protested the war in england,this wannabe gave comfort to the enemy in wartime and all they can come up with is maybe gwb only served stateside,gimme a break.

If character was as relevant as you assume, we would have NO choice between the two. Neither GWB or Kerry impress me.

And I really don't give a damn what impresses you.

Why would a twelve year old self-confessed shit stirrer care ?

I don't know...why WOULD you care?

I am a caring person !

Posted: 8/22/2004 11:17:01 AM EDT

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1) The F102 was not cleared for missions in Vietnam. ...

See: Aircraft losses -Vietnam War
It may have not been "cleared" but 14 were lost there.

Damn, are we being fed Republican lies now

when will it end -- when

Posted: 8/22/2004 11:18:11 AM EDT

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So Bush didn't show up for his duty? Big deal.

Kerry showed up just long enough to hurt HIMSELF, nominate himself for a medal, get the medal, and then run home and spout off his anti-American BS.

I'd much rather have someone who blew off showing up as opposed to someone who did show up, saw what our military people dealt with, and still had the audacity to come back to America and spew his vitriol against our government and our troops.

Posted: 8/22/2004 11:18:21 AM EDT

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I am a caring person !

I believe you're very sensitive, in a John-Kerry-let's-fight-a-more-sensitive-war kinda way.

Posted: 8/22/2004 11:20:47 AM EDT

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Yes - in my opinion, the swift boat ads will hurt Bush. but I still think he will win.

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is the Swift Boat stuff going to backfire on George (Page 2 of 3)

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