Quoted: Quoted: I'll be god damned if I'm going to vote in a draft dodgeing, convicted DUI, drug using comander in chief to commit my boy to war?? No thanks! Some may say "what does it matter, it was 30 years ago?" It does matter! (God!, I wish the GOP convinced Powell to run!) So, If I have to work EXTRA hard to keep the "Finestines" at bay if Kerry gets in, so be it. At least when the boys and girls go to war, it won't be by the orders of a draft dodger!. That simple.......

Merchant Marine, eh?

The Republicans were the ones to push the repeal of "The Jones Act."  FYI, now there is no MM!

Not voting for Bush, eh?

No, .... can't do it. Can't vote for a draft dodger, no matter what!....

Anti-gun Powell is your man, eh?

"General Powel?" ... over Kerry? ..... perhaps I'm not being clear; I'd continue to vote R. if any non-draft doger were a candadate.

Kerry getting elected not a big deal, eh?

Sure it is! But I can't pull the handle for Bush. .... I want a president, comander in chief, that can answer a question from "original thought" and not have to "read" a pre prepared answer from a cue card.

Quoted: Quoted: Now that I'm in my 50's, and have had buddies killed and maimed in VN, with my boy 18 in a few days and leaning toward the Navy (I was in the MM's under military charter)  reguardless of my 2nd. amendment rights I'll be god damned if I'm going to vote in a draft dodgeing, convicted DUI, drug using comander in chief to commit my boy to war?? No thanks! Some may say "what does it matter, it was 30 years ago?" It does matter! (God!, I wish the GOP convinced Powell to run!) So, If I have to work EXTRA hard to keep the "Finestines" at bay if Kerry gets in, so be it. At least when the boys and girls go to war, it won't be by the orders of a draft dodger!. That simple....... That simple-minded you mean.  You'd think in 50 years you'd have had the opportunity to accumulate a bit more wisdom.  But it seems some people just get older, not wiser.

And, what is your point?.....

So many people seem to be totally un-concerned with what kerry HAS done and said,and almost rabid with the concept of what GWB MIGHT do,or MIGHT say.This seems like a rather odd way of looking at things in MHO.

Only a communist/socialist who is committed to the destruction of our way of life would vote for a shitlicker like the kommiekerry.A real "hero" of the Vietnam war for the communists who were killing our soldiers.You would have to be a "Head -up-yur -ass DU-faggot to vote for this geeky  poser.America,love it or get the fuck out.

Quoted: www.democraticunderground.com/images/pr/swiftboat.jpg LOL, this is the best they can come up with?

Haven't read all 3 pages of this thread yet but ... this flyer seems to be from Conservatives. "Time to go play in the lefties' sandbox" kind of tells me that.

The real left has been doing totally lame things like "Kerry-Oke"

I get sick and f****ng tired of repeating this to those who "fear" another Bush term in regard to guns:



THINK ABOUT THE FEDERAL JUDGES HE HAS NOMINATED.

then say, "Supreme Court Justice Hillary Rodham Clinton."

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now that I'm in my 50's, and have had buddies killed and maimed in VN, with my boy 18 in a few days and leaning toward the Navy (I was in the MM's under military charter)  reguardless of my 2nd. amendment rights I'll be god damned if I'm going to vote in a draft dodgeing, convicted DUI, drug using comander in chief to commit my boy to war?? No thanks! Some may say "what does it matter, it was 30 years ago?" It does matter! (God!, I wish the GOP convinced Powell to run!) So, If I have to work EXTRA hard to keep the "Finestines" at bay if Kerry gets in, so be it. At least when the boys and girls go to war, it won't be by the orders of a draft dodger!. That simple....... That simple-minded you mean.  You'd think in 50 years you'd have had the opportunity to accumulate a bit more wisdom.  But it seems some people just get older, not wiser. And, what is your point?.....

That you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Anyone who would sit back and claim to like guns and even consider the notion of voting for a son-of-a-bitch communist like Kerry should immediately get rid of their guns. And they should sure as hell leave this board. Afterall, there's no way in hell they could like guns or freedom.

I think we actually have a number of people in this nation who would vote for friggin Marx over Bush. To be completely honest, I have yet to see any difference in Marx and Kerry.

So if anyone is that stupid as to vote for him, don't show your face around here and start your bitching when the wolves are at your door. Nobody is going to care about you.

How did GWB dodge the draft?  He was in the Air National Guard during the peak of the Cold War.  If Soviet bombers were sent to bomb us, GWB's job would have been to intercept and shoot those bombers down along with their fighter escorts.  He served his country and doesn't go around bragging about it which speaks VOLUMES of his charecter.  DUI?  Who the hell cares!?  He didn't make any excuses just owned up to his mistake and went on with his life.


You people who are bashing Bush are out of your minds and are short sided.

Quoted: After two pages of unrelated postings, can we get back to the topic of the thread?  If you want to discuss something else, I dunno... start a new thread?

Sorry

Quoted: How did GWB dodge the draft?  He was in the Air National Guard during the peak of the Cold War.  If Soviet bombers were sent to bomb us, GWB's job would have been to intercept and shoot those bombers down along with their fighter escorts.  He served his country and doesn't go around bragging about it which speaks VOLUMES of his charecter.  DUI?  Who the hell cares!?  He didn't make any excuses just owned up to his mistake and went on with his life. You people who are bashing Bush are out of your minds and are short sided.

Bush bashers are either diehard liberals or low IQ types (or both...kinda the same difference anyway isn't it?). That's why they say stupid shit like Bush dodged the draft. They have no idea that serving as a pilot of a combat aircraft even in times of peace is often more dangerous than many of the military occupations in times of war. For anyone who disputes this, talk to any US Air Force, US Navy, USMC or air national guard fighter pilot. Every single one of them will know someone who died during normal peace time training. And there's a good chance he'll have even lost a good friend. Should he have to go to war, well that number really starts to crank up. So anyone who mans our nation's warbirds gets every bit as much respect from me as a guy who drives a tank, mans a boat, or totes a rifle. Hell, I even respect the cooks. But any of them who do what Kerry did following the war (treason), no matter what their combat job, is in my book a piece of shit. And I have the same opinion of those who would support him.

Quoted: After two pages of unrelated postings, can we get back to the topic of the thread?  If you want to discuss something else, I dunno... start a new thread?

Ah..?...Ok..... One things for sure..there is no shortage of 'opinion here!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'll be god damned if I'm going to vote in a draft dodgeing, convicted DUI, drug using comander in chief to commit my boy to war?? No thanks! Some may say "what does it matter, it was 30 years ago?" It does matter! (God!, I wish the GOP convinced Powell to run!) So, If I have to work EXTRA hard to keep the "Finestines" at bay if Kerry gets in, so be it. At least when the boys and girls go to war, it won't be by the orders of a draft dodger!. That simple....... Merchant Marine, eh? The Republicans were the ones to push the repeal of "The Jones Act."  FYI, now there is no MM! Not voting for Bush, eh? No, .... can't do it. Can't vote for a draft dodger, no matter what!.... Anti-gun Powell is your man, eh? "General Powel?" ... over Kerry? ..... perhaps I'm not being clear; I'd continue to vote R. if any non-draft doger were a candadate. Kerry getting elected not a big deal, eh? Sure it is! But I can't pull the handle for Bush. .... I want a president, comander in chief, that can answer a question from "original thought" and not have to "read" a pre prepared answer from a cue card. So you are saying that GWB is a little slow?  Did you fly US military jet fighters?  They just let anyone do that, you know...

...That's a good point. But he's like theStarkist commercial's "Charlie the Tuna" ... He's just not "presidential. "

He's just not "presidential"

And Kerry is?

The only guy I can remember in my lifetime that actually looked presidential was Reagan. But Bush will do. Afterall, for the world to take our leader seriously, it would help if it didn't appear he passed away 5 years ago. Kerry's eyes are sunk halfway back into his head and the skin on his face looks like my nutsack after I hop outta the shower.

And as far as opinions, yeah, we got lots of those. I would say a majority here also tend to vote republican. So my advice, speak your mind and say what you want. But as I like to tell folks, if you are swimming among sharks, don't bleed. You know what I mean? Bush bashing will likely draw a much more enthusiast crowd over at DU.

Quoted: He's just not "presidential" And Kerry is? The only guy I can remember in my lifetime that actually looked presidential was Reagan. But Bush will do. Afterall, for the world to take our leader seriously, it would help if it didn't appear he passed away 5 years ago. Kerry's eyes are sunk halfway back into his head and the skin on his face looks like my nutsack after I hop outta the shower. And as far as opinions, yeah, we got lots of those. I would say a majority here also tend to vote republican. So my advice, speak your mind and say what you want. But as I like to tell folks, if you are swimming among sharks, don't bleed. You know what I mean? Bush bashing will likely draw a much more enthusiast crowd over at DU.

Definately! Gotta have thick skin! ...Maybe I should go over to "DU." I'd probably see posts from "Ted K." puke my guts out, and start waving the GOP flag, again .....

Quoted: He's just not "presidential" And Kerry is? Kerry's eyes are sunk halfway back into his head and the skin on his face looks like my nutsack after I hop outta the shower.

Pardon me while I go poke out my mind's eye.

Re: Bush's military service - I was reading an article the other day about this. At the time W was a pilot, he could NOT have been sent to Vietnam since Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA at that time. Had W been in Vietnam and shot down or otherwise captured, it would have been a huge security liability and thus it would not have been allowed in the first place. Accordingly, he was relegated to duty in the continental US (still dangerous duty as it is for any fighter pilot).

Something to consider when you throw the term "draft dodger" around.  At least he isn't an outright traitor like Kerry.

Quoted: Something to consider when you throw the term "draft dodger" around.  At least he isn't an outright traitor like Kerry.

Good point, Gus. As it is, he "is" the President. And Kerry is a Senator. .... I thought I've kept up  on 'all the attack adds; is the reference to "traitor" being when Kerry threw medals away?

Quoted: Quoted: kinaed, can you supply me with a good explanation why you support Kerry if you support the Second Amendment and gun ownership in general? Hi Raven, Now that I'm in my 50's, and have had buddies killed and maimed in VN, with my boy 18 in a few days and leaning toward the Navy (I was in the MM's under military charter)  reguardless of my 2nd. amendment rights I'll be god damned if I'm going to vote in a draft dodgeing, convicted DUI, drug using comander in chief to commit my boy to war?? No thanks! Some may say "what does it matter, it was 30 years ago?" It does matter! (God!, I wish the GOP convinced Powell to run!) So, If I have to work EXTRA hard to keep the "Finestines" at bay if Kerry gets in, so be it. At least when the boys and girls go to war, it won't be by the orders of a draft dodger!. That simple.......

Alright, I know this is violating the CofC, but fuck you.  I say that because I am sick of hearing Democrats apply that term to service in the Reserves and Guard.  Serving in the guard is NOT draft dodging.  Wow, you served in the Merchant Marine.  By your logic, YOU are a draft dodger.  As a veteran of active duty from 1969 to 1973, fuck this "draft dodger" bullshit.  Only fucking liberal Dems use that phrase.  If you claim to be a Republican, you are lying, just like when you say you care about your 2nd Amendment rights.

So, you will vote in an asshole who served under somewhat dubious circumstances in 'nam, then came home and said that every US military person in-country committed war crimes.  Yeah, he is sooooooo much better.

I bet you voted for the real draft dodger, Clinton.

Quoted: Quoted: Something to consider when you throw the term "draft dodger" around.  At least he isn't an outright traitor like Kerry. Good point, Gus. As it is, he "is" the President. And Kerry is a Senator. .... I thought I've kept up  on 'all the attack adds; is the reference to "traitor" being when Kerry threw medals away?

Not so much that as his statements on national TV when he got home. He caused a lot of additional suffering for POW's still in captivity. I can't excuse that, not EVER.

LMAO, their dirt on the Swift Vets is that it's organized by a Bush supporter.

Damn, talk about an earth-shaking revelation!  A pro Bush man organizes an anti_Kerry ad campaign??!?!?!

So unlike MoveOn.org and such, who are objective and neutral, with no favoritism between candidates. So it's ok for pro-Kerry, anti-Bush activists to mount their own campaigns, but NOT ok for pro-Bush, anti Kerry activists?  What exactly is the problem here?

releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?ReleaseID=34994

The only guy I can remember in my lifetime that actually looked presidential was Reagan. But Bush will do. Afterall, for the world to take our leader seriously, it would help if it didn't appear he passed away 5 years ago. Kerry's eyes are sunk halfway back into his head and the skin on his face looks like my nutsack after I hop outta the shower.

I'll never look at that mofo ferry the same way again.

Quoted: Quoted: Something to consider when you throw the term "draft dodger" around.  At least he isn't an outright traitor like Kerry. Good point, Gus. As it is, he "is" the President. And Kerry is a Senator. .... I thought I've kept up  on 'all the attack adds; is the reference to "traitor" being when Kerry threw medals away?

Well, his throwing his medals away and his protesting of the war is a minor part of this, but not the main issue. The reason why many feel he is a traitor is his travel overseas (while still officially an officer of the US Navy) to meet with various Communist officials to share notes and plot strategy. That's why he is a traitor. And he did so as American troops were still dying. So Kerry went and fought in Vietnam for this country. Then he came home and fought against this country! And he did far more damage by doing the latter than he did good while he served. To me, that isn't a hero!

It was scum like John F. Kerry and other commie loving hippies who cost us that war. Even the North Vietnamese commanding general of the war, Giap says that the protests here in the US were the biggest factor in their success. It gave them hope and motivated them to fight on because it assured our enemy that we were weakening. That strategy of the North was to wear down our resolve. And thanks to the frigging hippies and scum like Kerry, they succeeded. Now we are seeing much of the same shit today. The liberals in this nation would assure we lose every war we fight (including the current one) if they can do anything to make it happen.

So I think you can see why people here get pissed when someone waltzes in spewing falsehoods and pledging support for someone who is if not, at least indistinguishable from a Communist! Kerry is the enemy to everything we hold dear. And as such, so are his supporters. "If you feed a terrorist, shelter a terrorist and support a terrorist...then you are a terrorist and just as guilty as they are"! Substitute the word Communist for terrorist and you get the picture. That's why all the ill feelings here toward Kerry. Nothing more, nothing less. And believe it or not, his service in Vietnam is really the least of most people's concerns. It's everything he has done since that really matters.

-CH

Quoted: When George Bush stated that he would renew the AWB if it reached his desk, that pretty much solidified his thinking in my view. Now, this can easily be dismissed as lip service to appease those who wish to renew the ban, but the same can be said for Kerry - a noted waffler. Sincerely, I am not so sure that Kerry would do anything beyond what has been done previously, and I am doubtful that he would attempt to go beyond the provisions of the existing ban (although I am willing to be convinced).

Uh, didn't Kerry go out of his way to take a break from his election campain, so he could vote on extending the AWB and a bill to eliminate ALL centerfire ammo?? That to me doesn't say waffler. That says dangerous to me. Luckily both bills were killed. I don't believe Bush would extend the AWB since he never pushed it. Kerry on the other hand would have.

This Bush is a draft doger line, I can't rap my mind around it,  how can a man that is in the national guard be a draft doger?  

I know people that joined before they were drafted and ended up in Korea.  

Are these draft dogers too?

What about coast guard some went to Viet Nam, some didn't.

Are the ones that didn't go to Viet Nam, draft dogers too?

What about people that were in college? Are they draft dogers?

What about Fuckin Merchant marine asshats,  are they draft dogers?

I wish someone would set me straight, I always thought draft dogers were men called to serve who didn't go in to serve  WTF?

Quoted: Hi Raven, Now that I'm in my 50's, and have had buddies killed and maimed in VN, with my boy 18 in a few days and leaning toward the Navy (I was in the MM's under military charter)  reguardless of my 2nd. amendment rights I'll be god damned if I'm going to vote in a draft dodgeing, convicted DUI, drug using comander in chief to commit my boy to war?? No thanks! Some may say "what does it matter, it was 30 years ago?" It does matter! (God!, I wish the GOP convinced Powell to run!) So, If I have to work EXTRA hard to keep the "Finestines" at bay if Kerry gets in, so be it. At least when the boys and girls go to war, it won't be by the orders of a draft dodger!. That simple.......

So, everyone who serves in the NG, at least in wartime, is a worthless POS, and their service counts for nothing. OK. I guess I'll have to say FOAD.

Nice crop of liberal trolls we've got going here - claim to support the 2nd, but are equating GWB to Hanoi John Kerry - SURE!!!!! Go back to the DU, trolls - this site is for gun lovers, not you dumbass leftwing liberal lying sacks of shit - WHY do you think it's called AR15.com???

No one believes your bullshit, so give it a rest....


  - georgestrings