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Posted: 6/3/2023 5:45:28 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even though GD can be cunts about shotguns, an AR15 is superior to a shotgun for most non-hunting tasks. While true, you can get a serviceable self defense shotgun for cheap, and there's not many places in the US that you can't legally own it. My home defense PCC with a can is "better" for me, but the optic on it was more than the cost of a basic Mossberg or Maverick beater 12g. Heck, the tax stamp for the can cost more..... |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 5:46:44 PM EDT
[#2]
Shotguns are fine, just don't use flite control buckshot.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 5:56:42 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @-Obsessed- not saying it won't work, and there's 29 of them in my rattler right now. I know we love rifle stuff here but shotguns throwing buck or slugs certainly do have a certain "go fuck yourself" panache not seen elsewhere. Conjectur - need to have both shot at you to make an objective decision |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:00:16 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shotguns can have outstanding terminal performance with the right loads. That performance doesn’t occur in a vacuum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Forget it, I'm pretty sure shotguns aren't lethal anymore. I read that here. Shotguns can have outstanding terminal performance with the right loads. That performance doesn’t occur in a vacuum. So they are no good in outer space? |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:24:48 PM EDT
[#5]
I’m ready. If my home gets invaded, may God have mercy, because I won’t. I’ll choot em in the face and then the groin and both kneecaps. It’s a short barrel, so I’m using 3” magnums.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:31:56 PM EDT
[#6]
Glock first. 6920 next. Old school Remington 1100 last. I want those last few rounds to hurt.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:32:45 PM EDT
[#7]
After watching GT’s A300 video, Im REALLY wanting a new A300!!!
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:33:05 PM EDT
[#8]
Use whatever you're most proficient at. I hardly shoot shotguns so ARs for me.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:35:13 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shotguns are fine, just don't use flite control buckshot. Huh? Care to elaborate? |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:40:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have used 12 round drums, thats a lot of hate and a quick reload time. And what’s the failure rate? |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:41:10 PM EDT
[#11]
In this day and age given the availability and selection I'll argue the best option for many situations is a suppressed pcc. 30 rounds on board, quick reloads, and small package, easy for most to control effectively. Shotguns are loud, rifles in a hallway are stupid loud even surpressed.
I've seen new shooters get rocked by a 12 even with lighter loads, on the other end I've seen someone handed an Mp5 and start eating up a dueling tree after half a mag off practice. You can't rack it but you can slap it. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:42:42 PM EDT
[#12]
OP has officially entered the 80s
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:53:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP has officially entered the 80s The best times in this country. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 7:50:21 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about running mini shells to reduce recoil and increase capacity? I have a Shockwave that likes the minis. Got it because shotguns are fun, but wouldn't be afeard to use it for HD if I had to.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 7:55:35 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In this day and age given the availability and selection I'll argue the best option for many situations is a suppressed pcc. 30 rounds on board, quick reloads, and small package, easy for most to control effectively. Shotguns are loud, rifles in a hallway are stupid loud even surpressed. I've seen new shooters get rocked by a 12 even with lighter loads, on the other end I've seen someone handed an Mp5 and start eating up a dueling tree after half a mag off practice. You can't rack it but you can slap it. Rifle > PCC > Pistol |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 7:59:17 PM EDT
[#16]
Had occasion to talk to a medical examiner about this and his immediate answer to what firearm/caliber he would absolutely not want to be shot with was a shotgun.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:00:55 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get both? Anyone who thinks a 1301 or Benelli M4 is useless in home defense is kidding themselves. OP - This is the way... |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:11:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? Care to elaborate? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shotguns are fine, just don't use flite control buckshot. Huh? Care to elaborate? Just guessing here, but they don't really open up within the distance within most houses (ARFCOM millionaire's mansions being exceptions of course). Some people want some spread; personal preference but always pattern your gun with your loads at your distances. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:11:35 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These threads are always  ETA- I have an AR sitting next to me; the only shotgun not in the safe is a single shot H&R in the closet. I don’t think anyone has ever questioned the terminal effectiveness of a shotgun with proper loads. The questions come about because of all the other drawbacks that come with it. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:11:45 PM EDT
[#21]
Always thought a 20 ga semi auto would be a great HD weapon. Lightweight, handy.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:16:10 PM EDT
[#22]
I admit I keep a light-bearing pistol on hand for home defense but I certainly trust this little guy to do the job if needed
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:22:20 PM EDT
[#23]
This gun is handy and pretty tame with the Fed Tactical 1145fps 00 buck. Rifles are great but I do have more trigger time with shotguns and operating them are second nature to me. With that said, a pistol is what is next to me when I sleep.
 Attached FileETA. And you do have to aim with a shotgun shooting buckshot. I relearned that today when I dispatched a sick raccoon in the neighbor's garden. I walked up to around 5yrds, pointed at it and sent the 9 00buck pellets right under him. Aimed the second shot and took half his head off. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:24:18 PM EDT
[#24]
Mine is stoked with 12 pellet buckshot, getting hit with 12 .32 caliber slugs at the same time would pack quite the sting.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:36:52 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryStill my absolute favorite shotgun on this site. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:54:22 PM EDT
[#26]
8 gauge...
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:55:39 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still my absolute favorite shotgun on this site. Ditto. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:56:45 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you think a 300 BLK Black Tip won't stop them? You can easily fire off 3 rounds of 300 BLK with more precise placement for every shot of 00 from a shotgun. And be shorter and more maneuverable. So not sure why your 300 BLK doesn't fit the bill. Brah you missed the point. Big, big, boom. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:19:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My M4 has more recoil and cycles much slower than an AR. No doubt some buckshot would put a hurting on anyone in front of it, though. Realistically I would just grab a handgun from the nightstand safe. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/1658959192890-2467629.jpg really? |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:22:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote Historythis pic inspired my M2. Mine is longer though, didnt want to SBR. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:20:51 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remington 870 with a Vangcomp barrel will print into a pie plate at 25 yds. biggest mistake I've made in the last 15 yrs was getting rid of that shotgun Its a smooth bore. Why the hell would a barrel affect pattern density? A fool and their money... |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:30:37 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a hell of a claim! Sometimes in the springtime here the cottontail bunnies form gangs and roam around starting shit with people. You need a shotgun for that threat profile. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:30:44 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a smooth bore. Why the hell would a barrel affect pattern density? A fool and their money... Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a smooth bore. Why the hell would a barrel affect pattern density? A fool and their money... Forcing cone and pellet paterns. “The main purpose of lengthening the forcing cone is to bring any distorted stray pellets back into the pattern to make it denser,” says Rob Roberts, whose gunsmithing company does the work on Benelli’s Performance Shop hunting guns. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:33:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a smooth bore. Why the hell would a barrel affect pattern density? A fool and their money... YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT! |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:40:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a smooth bore. Why the hell would a barrel affect pattern density? A fool and their money... Internal profile matters, as does the finish to some degree. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:43:06 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Forget it, I'm pretty sure shotguns aren't lethal anymore. I read that here. Lol. Sad though... |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:47:39 PM EDT
[#37]
All the rifles are in safes. However, there are shotguns in five locations in the house. (to include the garage)
I've seen what buckshot does to a human body. Plus, it's handy for pitt bulls and the occasional raccoon on the trashcans.  There is six in the tube and four in the stock. That's all I need. Worst shotgun wound I have ever seen was your regular cheap 20 ga Winchester slug. Homeowner shot a guy climbing into his kitchen window. Slug entered just inside his collarbone and exited out of the top of his left leg after blowing thru the pelvis. Never found the slug. Guy died right on the window sill. That sounds like decent performance to me.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:49:41 PM EDT
[#38]
Buck Shot and AK ready
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:54:55 PM EDT
[#39]
I keep an 870 loaded with 00 buck (Winchester Ranger buffered) available right next the the SBR, if enough shit hits the fan, I can toss the AR to my wife, and use the shotgun.
AR's are awesome for their intended purpose (killing shit), but there is just something visceral about a shotgun. It also works very well at coyote destruction, which seems to be a regular occurrence these days, and doesn't make the neighbors as nervous as seeing a guy wandering around with an AR. Not that they give much of a shit anymore after their Pekinese got eaten. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:57:28 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The bird argument is the absolute most retarded thing I've ever read in GD. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good call OP, you never know when birds will invade your home. The bird argument is the absolute most retarded thing I've ever read in GD. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:02:58 PM EDT
[#41]
OP, most of my adult life an 870 with buck was my #1 HD gun for my family.
I only recently went to a 300bo because practicing with the 12 would stove up my neck for a few days. If it weren't for that, it would be #1 again. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:13:13 PM EDT
[#42]
Its called a "street sweeper" for a reason. Right tool for the right job.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:23:08 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care if you suck at math, you suck at thinking you don’t need sights. Effing gun store bullshit right there. At15 feet with my Browning Auto 5, I'm point shooting not using sights. If I can (and have many times) take 2 wild Bob White quail on a covy raise at 15 feet without using the sights (not enough time for that) I can hit a human at 15 feet without using the sights. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 12:23:35 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mossberg 590 with a Surefire forend loaded with 00 Buck will solve 99% of your HD needs With a 590A1 that leftover 1% is covered by fixing bayonets. 
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Posted: 6/4/2023 12:32:15 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think anyone has ever questioned the terminal effectiveness of a shotgun with proper loads. The questions come about because of all the other drawbacks that come with it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: shot-for-shot, round-for-round, a 12 gauge shotgun absolutely beats a carbine in 5.56 or 9mm. That being said, I'll take 30+ rounds, rails and lighter recoil from said carbine over a shotgun. The ideal HD weapon is a delayed-blowback PCC with a can and subsonic rounds. You can't convince me otherwise. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 12:37:24 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? Care to elaborate? |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 12:38:17 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While true, you can get a serviceable self defense shotgun for cheap, and there's not many places in the US that you can't legally own it. My home defense PCC with a can is "better" for me, but the optic on it was more than the cost of a basic Mossberg or Maverick beater 12g. Heck, the tax stamp for the can cost more..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even though GD can be cunts about shotguns, an AR15 is superior to a shotgun for most non-hunting tasks. While true, you can get a serviceable self defense shotgun for cheap, and there's not many places in the US that you can't legally own it. My home defense PCC with a can is "better" for me, but the optic on it was more than the cost of a basic Mossberg or Maverick beater 12g. Heck, the tax stamp for the can cost more..... OP already has a .300 BO SBR. Why downgrade? |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 12:39:14 AM EDT
[#48]
I have thought of buying a Mossberg youth 410 and some 410 self defense loads designed for the Judge revolver and running some performance tests. It would probably perform pretty well for the recoil shy.
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Posted: 6/4/2023 12:56:38 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no good reason to try to limit the spread for home defense. If you need precision why are you firing pellets anyway? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Huh? Care to elaborate? Normal buckshot is still going to be nearly as tight as flight control at normal hd distances. And the tighter the pattern the better. 4" at 15 yards, 8" at 25 yards is absolutely perfect. Wider than that pellets start dropping off the target a performance isn't as good. Flight control is also great for when you have to step outside. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 12:59:59 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA. And you do have to aim with a shotgun shooting buckshot. I relearned that today when I dispatched a sick raccoon in the neighbor's garden. I walked up to around 5yrds, pointed at it and sent the 9 00buck pellets right under him. Aimed the second shot and took half his head off. I'd tell everyone who heard two shotgun blasts that was the toughest raccoon I've ever seen  |
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