User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:22:31 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonCharlie: Comply or die But, I want to live and die in LA....live and die in LA 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:22:58 PM EDT
[#2]
The "Factoring Criteria" document in determining whether you're a felon is 293 pages..... The Executive Summary of the Rule change runs 13 pages alone.
They definitely re-wrote this in preparation for the Supreme Court kicking their teeth in based on Bruen and WV v. EPA. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:22:59 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: You must now be 18 to buy cucumbers and bananas Only in Louisiana. |
|
|
|
PA, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:23:03 PM EDT
[#4]
So now my question is are they going to require photos of the firearm for the free stamp? or is it going to be the wild west of everyone registering a dozen stripped lowers for free?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:23:04 PM EDT
[#5]
Does the braced gun need to be marked with the your name and city/town? How about 922r compliance?
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:23:06 PM EDT
[#6]
|
|
|
|
OH, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:23:07 PM EDT
[#7]
Wonder what retailers will do. Sell current inventory as SBRs?
|
|
|
MT, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:23:11 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: You must now be 18 to buy cucumbers and bananas Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Originally Posted By BelinTX: Using an item for something different than its main intended purpose doesn’t magically turn it into something else. You must now be 18 to buy cucumbers and bananas 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:23:17 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade:
Oh, look, you can't register to your trust unless it was on your schedule before today. Who notarized their schedule? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade:
Oh, look, you can't register to your trust unless it was on your schedule before today. Who notarized their schedule? For trust applicants, ATF will perform a thorough review of the trust
documents provided with the eForm 1 application to ensure the firearm sought to be registered to the trust was property possessed by the trust prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. Therefore, an eForm 1 application to register a firearm equipped with a “stabilizing brace” to a trust will be disapproved if the applicant fails to demonstrate the trust possessed the firearmprior to the date the final rule is published Federal Register. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:23:51 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixgunner45: Absolutely nothing ... to me. I'll continue to use my legally purchased braces, and factory braced pistols. The feds can FOAD for all I care. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixgunner45: Originally Posted By TheYellowThing: So, what does this mean? Absolutely nothing ... to me. I'll continue to use my legally purchased braces, and factory braced pistols. The feds can FOAD for all I care. This |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:23:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mak0: So now my question is are they going to require photos of the firearm for the free stamp? or is it going to be the wild west of everyone registering a dozen stripped lowers for free? Not registering shit. I may or may not have a brace. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:24:01 PM EDT
[#12]
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:24:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mak0: So now my question is are they going to require photos of the firearm for the free stamp? or is it going to be the wild west of everyone registering a dozen stripped lowers for free? Whatever is most complicated, intrusive and time consuming. |
|
|
|
IL, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:24:49 PM EDT
[#14]
I have a 120 days to make my braced pistol legal, but I can't make it legal since my state made it illegal to sell parts earlier this week.
It is almost like someone planned it that way. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:25:18 PM EDT
[#15]
Probably means the lawsuits against the FBAFT will be filed this afternoon.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:25:20 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JA_Magnum: Uhhh.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/142845/Screenshot__40__png-2670568.JPG That's the long barrel loophole for braces. They'll cover that next time. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:25:50 PM EDT
[#17]
Well, it looks as if my Glock 17 Gen 5 is about to become an SBR because of my Flux Brace.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:26:08 PM EDT
[#18]
RIP eform 1 approvals in under a year.
|
|
|
|
MT, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:26:25 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Debo75: The "Factoring Criteria" document in determining whether you're a felon is 293 pages..... The Executive Summary of the Rule change runs 13 pages alone. They definitely re-wrote this in preparation for the Supreme Court kicking their teeth in based on Bruen and WV v. EPA. No doubt of that. In addition to practically causing the NFRTR to combust and the delay time for all form 1/3/4/5 transfers to skyrocket it's going to be weighing down multiple courts. Looked at from that point of view it's pretty obvious what the intent is. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:27:33 PM EDT
[#20]
It says you have to render it inop or get rid of it. However, it says it doesn't apply to 16"+ "rifles". So, what if you only have 16" rifles? What if you have a mix of both pistols and rifles. Does the mere existence of a pistol upper and a brace in the same location constitute some sort of "constructive intent"?
This shit is retarded. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:27:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: How would they know who gets a free stamp for their brace and who's registering a normal SBR? They don't. What happens if I have 100 pistol braces I want to register during the 120 day window? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:28:07 PM EDT
[#22]
For these reasons, it is necessary for the Department to amend the regulatory definition of “rifle” to make clear to the public the objective design features and other factors that must be considered when determining whether a firearm equipped with an accessory, component, or other rearward attachment (e.g., a “stabilizing brace”) is a rifle designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. Funny, I'm pretty sure they don't have the authority to create definitions for things that are already defined in statute. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:28:20 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bizzarolibe: Not registering shit. I may or may not have a brace. same here. going to order a braced pistol today just because. fuck the atf and its overweight faggy agents |
|
|
|
PA, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:28:47 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Towely: If it's registered as an SBR then you should be able to use whatever stock you want on it, correct? The upper is what gets registered, not the stock? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Towely: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Originally Posted By RamaSita: Wow. It does have the "free stamp" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480443/Screenshot_20230113_140703_Samsung_Notes-2670565.JPG If you have to jump through all the other hoops, anyway, just puiay the $200 and use a real stock  If it's registered as an SBR then you should be able to use whatever stock you want on it, correct? The upper is what gets registered, not the stock? upper ? what sn is on a upper reciever? |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:29:22 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheYellowThing: So, what does this mean? To me? Nothing. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:29:23 PM EDT
[#26]
Short video
 BREAKING NEWS: ATF Drops Pistol Brace Rule |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:29:27 PM EDT
[#27]
People in CO will just ignore it, or so I'm told
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:29:39 PM EDT
[#28]
Completely unrelated question, but anyone know where Magpul stocks are on sale?
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:29:49 PM EDT
[#29]
It also looks as if I am going to buy a few braces this weekend, slap them on some lowers, and amnesty register them as SBR's so I can swap out the braces for real stocks once the stamp is approved. Once it's an SBR, you can freely swap around parts and it's still a registered SBR.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:29:56 PM EDT
[#30]
According to this even the old style AR pistols with only a buffer tube is now illegal.
(4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations; |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:30:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brutus_15: Wonder what retailers will do. Sell current inventory as SBRs? Remove brace and sell as pistol |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:30:15 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gettysburg30: upper ? what sn is on a upper reciever? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gettysburg30: Originally Posted By Towely: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Originally Posted By RamaSita: Wow. It does have the "free stamp" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480443/Screenshot_20230113_140703_Samsung_Notes-2670565.JPG If you have to jump through all the other hoops, anyway, just puiay the $200 and use a real stock If it's registered as an SBR then you should be able to use whatever stock you want on it, correct? The upper is what gets registered, not the stock? upper ? what sn is on a upper reciever? Lower* |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:30:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: People in CO will just ignore it, or so I'm told People is Wyoming sure the fuck will. Those that don't immediately replace braces for stocks. |
|
|
|
TN, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:30:24 PM EDT
[#34]
If you just take the pistol brace off, then you have a pistol?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:30:32 PM EDT
[#35]
Just owning a brace is illegal without it on a stamped SBR.
or permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the “stabilizing brace” such that it cannot be reattached; |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:31:14 PM EDT
[#36]
Time to use the West Virginia vs EPA Supreme Court decision to break it off in the ATF’s ass.
|
|
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:31:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KM6]
[#37]
|
|
|
VA, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:31:15 PM EDT
[#38]
Aaaand it’ll be at least three years before any court case gets up to the USSC.
Historically, there were zero restrictions on firearm length, weight, construction, barrel count or rate of fire at the time of the country’s founding. Fuck the gayTF. |
|
|
KY, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:31:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Probably means the lawsuits against the FBAFT will be filed this afternoon.  Attached File Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:31:39 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ewald: I have a 120 days to make my braced pistol legal, but I can't make it legal since my state made it illegal to sell parts earlier this week. It is almost like someone planned it that way. Hmmmm funny how that works. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:31:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ewald: I have a 120 days to make my braced pistol legal, but I can't make it legal since my state made it illegal to sell parts earlier this week. It is almost like someone planned it that way. Fun fact: you don't HAVE to do anything. Whether you choose to or not, that is your choice. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:32:02 PM EDT
[#42]
They mention "objective" design features, but their criteria is inherently subjective.
Objective would be specifically outlined in statute, something they have no authority to create. Am I wrong? @NoloContendere |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:32:06 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz: Is this an amnesty? Because there is nothing in the law that allows an amnesty over 30 days or an amnesty for just 1 item It's a tax-free registration period. It's been done for individual items multiple times in the past, and has passed judicial scrutiny. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:32:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ewald: I have a 120 days to make my braced pistol legal, but I can't make it legal since my state made it illegal to sell parts earlier this week. It is almost like someone planned it that way. I'm in the same rancid, shit-filled boat as you. |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:32:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: According to this even the old style AR pistols with only a buffer tube is now illegal. (4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations; Interesting development |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:33:26 PM EDT
[#46]
|
|
|
|
MT, USA
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:33:30 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: According to this even the old style AR pistols with only a buffer tube is now illegal. (4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations; Indeed. This has been - from the start - intended to fulfill the goal of removing effective short barreled rifle caliber arms from civilian hands. Other goals exist as well but the "scary" AR/AK/semi auto pistols in rifle calibers? Those have been a target for years. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:33:59 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: People is Wyoming sure the fuck will. Those that don't immediately replace braces for stocks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: People in CO will just ignore it, or so I'm told People is Wyoming sure the fuck will. Those that don't immediately replace braces for stocks. Those dogs who are about to die, I salute you |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:34:03 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jb31: Only in Louisiana. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jb31: Originally Posted By wakeboarder: You must now be 18 to buy cucumbers and bananas Only in Louisiana. Only if you're filming it |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/13/2023 3:34:19 PM EDT
[#50]
Dropped the 4999 form, but say this in the document:
All of the objective design features and factors listed in the rule that indicate the weapon is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder are derived from the NPRM and proposed Worksheet 4999. |
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
Attached File
