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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:00:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indifferent. As I explain above. It's a fools errand to think you are going to stop the government from arming itself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You seem pretty happy about that Indifferent. As I explain above. It's a fools errand to think you are going to stop the government from arming itself. Private businesses can do what they want on the matter. For me, I’ll not support retailers that cease sales to civilians yet continue sales to LE. The fact that this gets your panties in a wad is quite telling. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:02:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Private businesses can do what they want on the matter. For me, I’ll not support retailers that cease sales to civilians yet continue sales to LE. Your virtue signaling is noted. But I appreciate you putting your money where your mouth is. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:04:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your virtue signaling is noted. But I appreciate you putting your money where your mouth is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Private businesses can do what they want on the matter. For me, I’ll not support retailers that cease sales to civilians yet continue sales to LE. Your virtue signaling is noted. But I appreciate you putting your money where your mouth is. It’s called having principles and convictions. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:05:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is really simple. If a company isn’t allowed to sell firearms or ammunition to residents in a state. I’m of the belief that companies should not sell to the kings men in said state. Some companies have adopted these policies (Barrett for example). If the civilians can’t have the shit, neither should the kings men. If you believe other wise you are nothing more than a statist in my eyes  Exactly! Want to work in a restrictive state. Work by the same rules the commoner does. Don't like it, learn to code. Or bag groceries. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:07:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly! Want to work in a restrictive state. Work by the same rules the commoner does. Don't like it, learn to code. Or bag groceries. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is really simple. If a company isn’t allowed to sell firearms or ammunition to residents in a state. I’m of the belief that companies should not sell to the kings men in said state. Some companies have adopted these policies (Barrett for example). If the civilians can’t have the shit, neither should the kings men. If you believe other wise you are nothing more than a statist in my eyes Exactly! Want to work in a restrictive state. Work by the same rules the commoner does. Don't like it, learn to code. Or bag groceries. 
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:11:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "King's men". Eye roll. The police will always be armed and should be armed. To devote your energies to that is misdirection. It's literally a futile effort and does nothing towards expanding 2A civil rights. You see NOLO wasting a lot of time litigating with state governments to remove the ability of police to buy ammo, pistols or rifles? Any of those major landmark SCOTUS 2A cases have anything to do with police? Why aren't you spitting on soldiers and marines because they are allowed to shoot machine guns and you aren't? I totally get the anger and completely agree with the inequity of it. But the focus is wrong and doesn't help expand the rights of everyone by constricting the rights of a few. The police should have standard capacity magazines, be able to have ammo shipped to their door, own suppressors, own rifles. So should EVERYONE. So let's work together and do whatever we can to make that happen. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:16:33 AM EDT
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Is it already ACAB Thursday? If you don’t like the company then don’t do business with them. The over the top virtue signaling is sickening.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:17:18 AM EDT
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Close to a dozen states restrict or prohibit “online” ammunition. Shipping rules effectively ban them for some others.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:18:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they have to fill a form out in NY to buy ammo including occupation NY has a weird obsession with having your occupation on stuff. My pistol license was issued without one and with ethnicity “American”. Then they got a new style of card and they made a big stink about putting my occupation and company I work for on there. Just weird because most people don’t really work for the same company their whole lives anymore. Come to think of it PA also wanted my employer and occupation for a ccw. Neither actually contacted the company anyway but it’s just odd to me. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:19:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t live in NY = Don’t care. This is why we are losing. "We must all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:20:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDesantis 2024!!!!!!! Oh wait.... Meet the new boss same as the old boss. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:23:09 AM EDT
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Most of the good New Yorkers moved to South Florida and turned it Red!
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:24:38 AM EDT
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There should be ammo stores along the roads at state lines by now. Next door to the fireworks stores.
New York has reservations ripe to develop the business, too. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:26:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the link “Barrett will not sell to or service any California, New York or New Jersey government agencies.” Ole Ronnie was certainly okay with his state’s blue laws ( that force some unconstitutional and perverted sect of Protestantism on the TN masses ) and he is good to go with receiving government contracts that are largely funded by liberals in NY, NJ & Cali but he draws the line here ? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:26:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it already ACAB Thursday? If you don’t like the company then don’t do business with them. The over the top virtue signaling is sickening. 
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:26:44 AM EDT
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Zulu Foxtrots. Don’t live in NY.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:26:49 AM EDT
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All the smart guys in free states alway seem to fail to understand cancer always spreads. Just look at at Arizona dem gov dem senators. One who is rabidly anti gun. You think think it can't happen were you live your couldn't be more hopelessly wrong.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:29:32 AM EDT
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I am able to simultaneously believe that:
A. John Q. Officer should have access to a standard capacity magazine(s), suppressor, body armor, and rifle when running into a school full of children where there is an active shooter. B. John Q. Citizen should have access to a standard capacity magazine(s), suppressor, body armor, and rifle when defending his home or property If B is not a current legal option, then I will do what I can to change that. It doesn't change my belief in A. I also believe firefighters, linemen, EMS or snowplow drivers should have the best equipment for their jobs. I can't help but also repeat what someone else pointed out that TS put it all on the line and continued to ship ammo as long as they could direct to NY residents, even when many others wouldn't, and now you want to boycott them because they will still sell to "king's men". What a strong, virtuous fighter for 2A rights you are. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:30:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There should be ammo stores along the roads at state lines by now. Next door to the fireworks stores. New York has reservations ripe to develop the business, too. That is an excellent idea |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:30:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it already ACAB Thursday? If you don’t like the company then don’t do business with them. The over the top virtue signaling is sickening. https://media.tenor.com/images/9f603a52a4bb4d548e96526f4494499b/tenor.gif Cool selfie. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:32:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool selfie. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it already ACAB Thursday? If you don’t like the company then don’t do business with them. The over the top virtue signaling is sickening. https://media.tenor.com/images/9f603a52a4bb4d548e96526f4494499b/tenor.gif Cool selfie. It feels great to have a STEM career 
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:33:14 AM EDT
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You all voted for it…
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:33:17 AM EDT
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So what? These liberal states often make it a hell of a headache for legitimate businesses to do legitimate business in their shitty state.
Why should a retailer risk some sort of legal headache over customers in a state who hates their industry? These people are free to leave anytime. ‘Muh job!’ ‘Muh family!’ That’s fine, but don’t bitch about your rights being trampled. Either leave, shut up, or be prepared for the gun-commerce world to abandon you because of your state’s laws. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:33:40 AM EDT
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So where are the class action lawsuits against NY? Y'all live in a Socialist state that doesn't follow the Constitution. The selling point was Socialism will eliminate crime but all it has brought you is more crime and stolen your freedom under false pretenses. Don't whine you never saw that coming over the last 100 years. Why did you give away your freedom? Does it mean that little to you? What are you going to do about it, celebrate incremental victimology? If all you are doing is sitting on your collectivist asses, you deserve to be crapped on.
Why are you investing in a Socialist state? Why is your money in a bank doing business in NY? There is no good reason to be there, not for a job, family, kids in school, or retirement, not even because your favorite dog is buried in a pet cemetery. Businesses are leaving NY. Wealthy people are leaving NY. Smart people are leaving NY. Why are they free and you're not? You are a free human being, not a stupid slave. There is no excuse good enough to submit to oppression, slavery, economic, and moral depravity. You either fight for your freedom or move. That is the whole point of having 50 states and freedom. PS: This also applies to the oppressed in NJ, WA, OR, CA, and CO. These states shouldn't be considered part of the United States if they are going to take away your Constitutional freedom. End of Rant. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:34:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am able to simultaneously believe that: A. John Q. Officer should have access to a standard capacity magazine(s), suppressor, body armor, and rifle when running into a school full of children where there is an active shooter. B. John Q. Citizen should have access to a standard capacity magazine(s), suppressor, body armor, and rifle when defending his home or property If B is not a current legal option, then I will do what I can to change that. It doesn't change my belief in A. I also believe firefighters, linemen, EMS or snowplow drivers should have the best equipment for their jobs. I can't help but also repeat what someone else pointed out that TS put it all on the line and continued to ship ammo as long as they could direct to NY residents, even when many others wouldn't, and now you want to boycott them because they will still sell to "king's men". What a strong, virtuous fighter for 2A rights you are. What you need to understand is that LE is the enforcement arm of the Government, nothing more and nothing less. If said government restricts the sale of firearms and ammunition to the civilians, their law enforcers should get the same treatment from private companies. ETA: as a consumer I will support companies that restrict sales to LE agencies in states that restrict civilians. I will not support companies that won’t sell to civilians, and continue to sell to LE in those states. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:40:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is an excellent idea Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There should be ammo stores along the roads at state lines by now. Next door to the fireworks stores. New York has reservations ripe to develop the business, too. That is an excellent idea Pretty sure the NY AG has sued brick and mortar stores in border states as well. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:41:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The latest SC gun case was a result of NY guys suing and everyone in NY is paying the price now with unconstitutional retaliatory gun laws. But hey, people cheered the red coats. Because of the legal battles fought and won in NY it actually becomes less likely. Same is true in California. The places with the horrible laws are the places doing the actual fighting. Just because pro gun people are hopelessly out numbered in these states doesn't mean the constitution stops being the law of the land. These are the front lines, this is the battle. Bruen killed gun control nation wide...it reset the 2A standard to the time of its writing. It's a massive ruling. Probably the most significant 2A decision in modern history. And it only happened because the people GD loves to hate, ironically the home state of this site, pushed back. NYers helped secure the rights of other states regardless of how things may change in those states in the future. You're welcome. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:41:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What you need to understand is that LE is the enforcement arm of the Government, nothing more and nothing less. If said government restricts the sale of firearms and ammunition to the civilians, their law enforcers should get the same treatment from private companies. What you need to understand is that is just your personal ethical/moral/poltical code that you personally feel should be applied. It's the mirror image of "if we make guns illegal, there won't be any gun crime". "If we make guns illegal for police, the citizens will magically get all their gun rights back". Nope. Not how it works. And if it makes you feel any better, there is no exemption to NY new ammo laws for LE that I am aware of. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:47:49 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What you need to understand is that is just your personal ethical/moral/poltical code that you personally feel should be applied. It's the mirror image of "if we make guns illegal, there won't be any gun crime". "If we make guns illegal for police, the citizens will magically get all their gun rights back". Nope. Not how it works. And if it makes you feel any better, there is no exemption to NY new ammo laws for LE that I am aware of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What you need to understand is that LE is the enforcement arm of the Government, nothing more and nothing less. If said government restricts the sale of firearms and ammunition to the civilians, their law enforcers should get the same treatment from private companies. What you need to understand is that is just your personal ethical/moral/poltical code that you personally feel should be applied. It's the mirror image of "if we make guns illegal, there won't be any gun crime". "If we make guns illegal for police, the citizens will magically get all their gun rights back". Nope. Not how it works. And if it makes you feel any better, there is no exemption to NY new ammo laws for LE that I am aware of. You are wrong. I am saying that retailers should not sell firearms and ammunition to LE agencies in the state of NY. Again LE is the enforcement arm of the government that banned the sale of ammunition to its civilians. Why should the agencies of said government be allowed to purchase firearms and ammo that they ruled the civilians cannot? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:49:49 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What you need to understand is that is just your personal ethical/moral/poltical code that you personally feel should be applied. It's the mirror image of "if we make guns illegal, there won't be any gun crime". "If we make guns illegal for police, the citizens will magically get all their gun rights back". Nope. Not how it works. And if it makes you feel any better, there is no exemption to NY new ammo laws for LE that I am aware of. If you are going to defund LE why let them buy bullets? After all, if the laws work, who are the police going to shoot, law-abiding citizens? |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:53:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea I get it. How many of the ‘R’s in NY are actually fighting against this stuff… likely not much. The thing that sticks in my crawl is the retailers that won’t sell to residents but will sell to law enforcement. Fuck all that shit. I’ll not spend another dime with Target Sports. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t live in NY = Don’t care. Yea I get it. How many of the ‘R’s in NY are actually fighting against this stuff… likely not much. The thing that sticks in my crawl is the retailers that won’t sell to residents but will sell to law enforcement. Fuck all that shit. I’ll not spend another dime with Target Sports. As far as I'm aware there is no exception in NY for LEOs in a personal capacity, only agencies, so Target $port$ isn't actually following the law if I understand things correctly. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:55:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that NY residents are pushing back legally has resulted in major advancements on the 2A front for the entire nation. People in free states are whistling past the graveyard thinking that its not possible in their own area. Because of the legal battles fought and won in NY it actually becomes less likely. Same is true in California. The places with the horrible laws are the places doing the actual fighting. Just because pro gun people are hopelessly out numbered in these states doesn't mean the constitution stops being the law of the land. These are the front lines, this is the battle. Bruen killed gun control nation wide...it reset the 2A standard to the time of its writing. It's a massive ruling. Probably the most significant 2A decision in modern history. And it only happened because the people GD loves to hate, ironically the home state of this site, pushed back. NYers helped secure the rights of other states regardless of how things may change in those states in the future. You're welcome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The latest SC gun case was a result of NY guys suing and everyone in NY is paying the price now with unconstitutional retaliatory gun laws. But hey, people cheered the red coats. Because of the legal battles fought and won in NY it actually becomes less likely. Same is true in California. The places with the horrible laws are the places doing the actual fighting. Just because pro gun people are hopelessly out numbered in these states doesn't mean the constitution stops being the law of the land. These are the front lines, this is the battle. Bruen killed gun control nation wide...it reset the 2A standard to the time of its writing. It's a massive ruling. Probably the most significant 2A decision in modern history. And it only happened because the people GD loves to hate, ironically the home state of this site, pushed back. NYers helped secure the rights of other states regardless of how things may change in those states in the future. You're welcome. This x1000. Everyone read this. It's NYers and those behind enemy lines that are doing the actual 2nd amendment fighting... I wonder if they had laws in the late 1700s that outlawed delivery of ammunition to ones home? No? Well then...not a constitutional law. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 11:58:58 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It feels great to have a STEM career Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it already ACAB Thursday? If you don’t like the company then don’t do business with them. The over the top virtue signaling is sickening. https://media.tenor.com/images/9f603a52a4bb4d548e96526f4494499b/tenor.gif Cool selfie. It feels great to have a STEM career 
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:00:35 PM EDT
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Third post = why our side loses.
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:06:25 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what? These liberal states often make it a hell of a headache for legitimate businesses to do legitimate business in their shitty state. Why should a retailer risk some sort of legal headache over customers in a state who hates their industry? These people are free to leave anytime. ‘Muh job!’ ‘Muh family!’ That’s fine, but don’t bitch about your rights being trampled. Either leave, shut up, or be prepared for the gun-commerce world to abandon you because of your state’s laws. In before "muh country." |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:06:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are wrong. I am saying that retailers should not sell firearms and ammunition to LE agencies in the state of NY. Again LE is the enforcement arm of the government that banned the sale of ammunition to its civilians. Why should the agencies of said government be allowed to purchase firearms and ammo that they ruled the civilians cannot? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What you need to understand is that LE is the enforcement arm of the Government, nothing more and nothing less. If said government restricts the sale of firearms and ammunition to the civilians, their law enforcers should get the same treatment from private companies. What you need to understand is that is just your personal ethical/moral/poltical code that you personally feel should be applied. It's the mirror image of "if we make guns illegal, there won't be any gun crime". "If we make guns illegal for police, the citizens will magically get all their gun rights back". Nope. Not how it works. And if it makes you feel any better, there is no exemption to NY new ammo laws for LE that I am aware of. You are wrong. I am saying that retailers should not sell firearms and ammunition to LE agencies in the state of NY. Again LE is the enforcement arm of the government that banned the sale of ammunition to its civilians. Why should the agencies of said government be allowed to purchase firearms and ammo that they ruled the civilians cannot? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. So the state will then create it's own ammunition production faculties like in most countries without 2A rights. And the citizens still can't buy ammunition. Wow, that was productive. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:10:56 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t live in NY = Don’t care. Terrible |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:12:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would appear they were chasing profits and weren’t doing it based on principal or convictions. As long as they continue to sell to LE in NY, I’ll not be doing business with them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Target Sports was one of the few companies that kept selling to NY individuals after the Safe Act ammo restrictions went into effect in 2013 or 14 and kept it up until they got threatened after the latest new laws. Good for them . And they continue to sell to LE in the state. It would appear they were chasing profits and weren’t doing it based on principal or convictions. As long as they continue to sell to LE in NY, I’ll not be doing business with them. Thank you. I fully agree, not risking everything by selling to NYers in violation of the law is understandable. Continuing to sell to individual officers - which I believe is illegal as well - is unconscionable. Even if it is legal, you have to take a stand. I remember when LEOSA was being debated. We heard constantly that allowing police to carry nationwide was the foot in the door to getting nationwide carry for everyone... that the police would advocate for us, we just had to be patient. Where are we today? Oh that's right, New Yorkers had to take a case to SCOTUS fighting against arbitrary requirements to carry a gun. We are now facing a vindictive governor and AG who decided to punish us for standing up for our rights by piling on tyrannical carry laws that are a FU to SCOTUS... and now we've got NOLO, GOA, SAF and others litigating this in front of a hostile second circuit. But NYers deserve this shit because "we voted for this" and "elections have consequences." Nothing but a bunch of I've got mine so fuck you mentality. People better start realizing its US against THEM... it'e not me, you, he, and she against them... it has to be US. We're fighting the fight in NY not only to get our rights recognized, but also to keep others from going through this shit. I'd move to a "free state," but I hear they are all full... 
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the state will then create it's own ammunition production faculties like in most countries without 2A rights. And the citizens still can't buy ammunition. Wow, that was productive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What you need to understand is that LE is the enforcement arm of the Government, nothing more and nothing less. If said government restricts the sale of firearms and ammunition to the civilians, their law enforcers should get the same treatment from private companies. What you need to understand is that is just your personal ethical/moral/poltical code that you personally feel should be applied. It's the mirror image of "if we make guns illegal, there won't be any gun crime". "If we make guns illegal for police, the citizens will magically get all their gun rights back". Nope. Not how it works. And if it makes you feel any better, there is no exemption to NY new ammo laws for LE that I am aware of. You are wrong. I am saying that retailers should not sell firearms and ammunition to LE agencies in the state of NY. Again LE is the enforcement arm of the government that banned the sale of ammunition to its civilians. Why should the agencies of said government be allowed to purchase firearms and ammo that they ruled the civilians cannot? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. So the state will then create it's own ammunition production faculties like in most countries without 2A rights. And the citizens still can't buy ammunition. Wow, that was productive. And people will continue to make excuses for them with their TBL hard-ons. I think many lose sight of the fact that LE IS the Government. If the government bans guns and ammo for its civilians, the enforcement arm of the Government shouldn’t have the shit either. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you. I fully agree, not risking everything by selling to NYers in violation of the law is understandable. Continuing to sell to individual officers - which I believe is illegal as well - is unconscionable. Even if it is legal, you have to take a stand. I remember when LEOSA was being debated. We heard constantly that allowing police to carry nationwide was the foot in the door to getting nationwide carry for everyone... that the police would advocate for us, we just had to be patient. Where are we today? Oh that's right, New Yorkers had to take a case to SCOTUS fighting against arbitrary requirements to carry a gun. We are now facing a vindictive governor and AG who decided to punish us for standing up for our rights by piling on tyrannical carry laws that are a FU to SCOTUS... and now we've got NOLO, GOA, SAF and others litigating this in front of a hostile second circuit. But NYers deserve this shit because "we voted for this" and "elections have consequences." Nothing but a bunch of I've got mine so fuck you mentality. People better start realizing its US against THEM... it'e not me, you, he, and she against them... it has to be US. We're fighting the fight in NY not only to get our rights recognized, but also to keep others from going through this shit. I'd move to a "free state," but I hear they are all full... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Target Sports was one of the few companies that kept selling to NY individuals after the Safe Act ammo restrictions went into effect in 2013 or 14 and kept it up until they got threatened after the latest new laws. Good for them . And they continue to sell to LE in the state. It would appear they were chasing profits and weren’t doing it based on principal or convictions. As long as they continue to sell to LE in NY, I’ll not be doing business with them. Thank you. I fully agree, not risking everything by selling to NYers in violation of the law is understandable. Continuing to sell to individual officers - which I believe is illegal as well - is unconscionable. Even if it is legal, you have to take a stand. I remember when LEOSA was being debated. We heard constantly that allowing police to carry nationwide was the foot in the door to getting nationwide carry for everyone... that the police would advocate for us, we just had to be patient. Where are we today? Oh that's right, New Yorkers had to take a case to SCOTUS fighting against arbitrary requirements to carry a gun. We are now facing a vindictive governor and AG who decided to punish us for standing up for our rights by piling on tyrannical carry laws that are a FU to SCOTUS... and now we've got NOLO, GOA, SAF and others litigating this in front of a hostile second circuit. But NYers deserve this shit because "we voted for this" and "elections have consequences." Nothing but a bunch of I've got mine so fuck you mentality. People better start realizing its US against THEM... it'e not me, you, he, and she against them... it has to be US. We're fighting the fight in NY not only to get our rights recognized, but also to keep others from going through this shit. I'd move to a "free state," but I hear they are all full... Ayup. Of course the Government is going to give their Law Enforcers more rights than their subjects. That’s in the Government’s best interest. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:15:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Politicians pass unconstitutional laws and the rubes are angry at the police who are gonna be armed anyways. Genius. Nah, I love the police. Professionally I represent more than 1,000 police officers in New York. What I can't stand is the BS when some of them say things like, give us LEOSA and we'll fight for nationwide carry. Or if we have suppressors and SBRs people will see they have legitimate purposes and we can fight to get them for everyone. Or these laws are BS, and rather than fighting to repeal them, they simply plan to leave NY once they retire and lose their special status. I love the guys I represent. Some of them are gun guys. I can't say that too many of them are second amendment guys. There is a difference. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:17:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All the smart guys in free states alway seem to fail to understand cancer always spreads. Just look at at Arizona dem gov dem senators. One who is rabidly anti gun. You think think it can't happen were you live your couldn't be more hopelessly wrong. Yeah but why be an idiot and voluntarily remain in some of the first states to go full commie? It’s like sitting in the kiddie pool yelling for the lifeguard to rescue you from 12” of water. Stand up (move) and walk away (to a free state) while it’s still possible. Otherwise remaining behind and bitching about other businesses and voters from other states not fixing your situation is just playing the part of professional victim. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:18:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: how does NYS have a say on how out of state retailers sell their legal products? the transaction isn't happening in NYS. it's no different that someone from NYS walking into a store in another state, buying ammo, then driving home to NYS with it They don't have a say except for the fact that the AG will use my tax money to grind them into the ground and coerce common carriers to stop doing business with Target Sports, maybe even use the state banking department to get the credit card processor to drop them or charge them huge processing fees because the company is engaged in a dangerous business or some other such nonsense. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:18:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, I love the police. Professionally I represent more than 1,000 police officers in New York. What I can't stand is the BS when some of them say things like, give us LEOSA and we'll fight for nationwide carry. Or if we have suppressors and SBRs people will see they have legitimate purposes and we can fight to get them for everyone. Or these laws are BS, and rather than fighting to repeal them, they simply plan to leave NY once they retire and lose their special status. I love the guys I represent. Some of them are gun guys. I can't say that too many of them are second amendment guys. There is a difference. That is fair. Many are never properly instructed in being a second amendment guy. I do everything I can to change that. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:19:17 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but why be an idiot and voluntarily remain in some of the first states to go full commie? It’s like sitting in the kiddie pool yelling for the lifeguard to rescue you from 12” of water. Stand up (move) and walk away (to a free state) while it’s still possible. Otherwise remaining behind and bitching about other businesses and voters from other states not fixing your situation is just playing the part of professional victim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All the smart guys in free states alway seem to fail to understand cancer always spreads. Just look at at Arizona dem gov dem senators. One who is rabidly anti gun. You think think it can't happen were you live your couldn't be more hopelessly wrong. Yeah but why be an idiot and voluntarily remain in some of the first states to go full commie? It’s like sitting in the kiddie pool yelling for the lifeguard to rescue you from 12” of water. Stand up (move) and walk away (to a free state) while it’s still possible. Otherwise remaining behind and bitching about other businesses and voters from other states not fixing your situation is just playing the part of professional victim. The fight for those freedoms has to happen somewhere. Better that the fights are happening in those states, because we all know that if left to fester those laws and ideals will spread to other states, and they have. Personally I’d never live in NY, but I appreciate the fight the few up there are putting up against the draconian laws there. As those battles will benefit us all. ETA: but I agree. If I was a business owner, I wouldn’t sell shit to a single Mf or agency in the state of NY. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:19:23 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This x1000. Everyone read this. It's NYers and those behind enemy lines that are doing the actual 2nd amendment fighting... I wonder if they had laws in the late 1700s that outlawed delivery of ammunition to ones home? No? Well then...not a constitutional law. That is the point. Where are the lawsuits? These laws were passed in 2011-2013. Ten years later what have they done? Those of us in other states can't do it for them. We can donate money but they have to fight. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:25:21 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is the point. Where are the lawsuits? These laws were passed in 2011-2013. Ten years later what have they done? Those of us in other states can't do it for them. We can donate money but they have to fight. There wasn't Bruen back then. There is now and it is thanks to NYers. I am not lawyer, but these cases have to be carefully picked. It's a game of chess and you can't make a bad move. NOLO is going after IL for supressors right now. That is huge. It's a war, so each battle is important. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:27:54 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fight for those freedoms has to happen somewhere. Better that the fights are happening in those states, because we all know that if left to fester those laws and ideals will spread to other states. Personally I’d never live in NY, but I appreciate the fight the few up there are putting up against the draconian laws there. As those battles will benefit us all. If they are going to fight then I support them. If they are just whining, they are screwing themselves. If the courts give them the thumbs down then it's time to get out. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:29:45 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they are going to fight then I support them. If they are just whining, they are screwing themselves. If the courts give them the thumbs down then it's time to get out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The fight for those freedoms has to happen somewhere. Better that the fights are happening in those states, because we all know that if left to fester those laws and ideals will spread to other states. Personally I’d never live in NY, but I appreciate the fight the few up there are putting up against the draconian laws there. As those battles will benefit us all. If they are going to fight then I support them. If they are just whining, they are screwing themselves. If the courts give them the thumbs down then it's time to get out. Agree. Retailers not selling them shit should light a fire under their asses. We have seen some challenges come out of NY recently. |
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Posted: 12/1/2022 12:31:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it already ACAB Thursday? If you don't like the company then don't do business with them. The over the top virtue signaling is sickening. prosecutor: "hey I have bunch of assault weapon cases coming up" me: "ugh" Cop: "lol we just arrested a bunch of retards with 30 round mags!" you: "ha ha they never learn, hey we don't write the laws." |
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