These new laws (in several states) are such a blatant FU to the judiciary branch that they require a strong response if these judiciary is to remain relevant.

The hearing for an injunction against the entire measure is scheduled this coming Friday.  Plaintiffs include the Oregon Firearms Federation, the Sherman County sheriff and an Oregon gun shop owner.  I've read the basics about what an junction hearing is about, but wondering if anyone has insight as to what the state will try to do.  My legal knowledge is 99.99% based on TV shows and movies, so as an average citizen, will it be worth going, or will it be mostly people reading boring legal stuff?

What many people don't talk about is that passing laws by simple majority rule, is actually mob rule. Just because the mob votes for something doesn't make it right.  If a simple majority vote made it legal to grab women's breasts, it sure doesn't make it right.   Call it what it is..mob rule.  

The biggest voting block gets to impose their will on any lesser voting blocks.

They will probably pull a commiefornia and immediately appeal with some bull shit excuse like "but muh people voted for it" or "to save the children".

By filing an appeal, isn't the injunction still in place until they hold another hearing?  Won't it be the same arguments?

The state will probably argue standing because no one has been damaged yet.

I dunno how it all works. I just know Cali fights tooth and nail against any pro gun ruling or injunction, no matter how minor it may be. And we are trying to be Cali up north

Got an email for the Sheriffs’ Association raffle coming up. One of the grand prizes is a handgun package with 10 and 13 round magazines. Should someone tell them, or win and have them arrested? Or win and the get arrested?





https://oregonsheriffs.org/product/2022-raffle-prize-package-8-smith-wesson-mp-9/

Democracy.

Looks like sites like atlanticfirearms are already 'not shipping' to oregon. it hasn't even been enacted yet..

Which is why no one but the most feeble minded dickheads believe that is a sensible form of government.

Here's an update from Kevin Starrett, director of Oregon Firearms Federation:

12.01.2022

Tomorrow is the scheduled court date in our lawsuit to stop the implementation of Ballot Measure 114.

A lot has happened in the last 24 hours. Second Amendment Foundation, with Firearms Policy Coalition, has filed a second suit in Federal Court  and Gun Owners of America has filed a friend of the court brief in our case.

The SAF suit essentially mirrors all of the arguments and points we made about the impending magazine ban.  They do not discuss or argue the permit to purchase .

While it’s clear that we consider the magazine ban a significant problem with Ballot Measure 114, we strongly oppose the permit to purchase requirements as well. The amicus brief filed by GOA does a good job of further explaining how that element is both extremely damaging and unconstitutional.

There is really no way to predict what will happen tomorrow and it’s unlikely that we will have an answer from the court before next week. And, of course, the clock is ticking on the complete shut down of gun sales on December 8th.

As you know, the current background check system is in near collapse, and while some transfers are taking place, over 30 thousand people are in limbo waiting for approvals (or any response) from the State Police.  It is impossible to imagine that any of those people will be able to take possession of the firearms they have paid for if Ballot Measure 114 goes into effect.

The State Police, as you can imagine, have no plans or rules in place to implement the onerous restrictions that 114 imposes on law abiding Oregonians, and sheriffs and police chiefs across the state are faced with the impossible situation of having to provide “permits” that do not exist. Meanwhile tens of thousands of Oregonians have had their rights eliminated BEFORE the measure has gone into effect with no reason to believe there will be any kind of resolution any time soon. So, the outcome of tomorrow’s hearing is way beyond critical.

But for right now, we wanted to take a minute to express our gratitude for every single person who has sacrificed and given so generously to this effort. It is an understatement to say that there are simply no words to convey our thanks.

While the suit filed yesterday by Second Amendment Foundation is being funded by large corporate donors such as Patriot Ordinance Factory and Oregon’s Radian Arms, we have no such benefactors. Every dime of this extremely costly effort has come from people like you, individuals, small dealers, gun clubs, and local collector’s organizations. While we certainly would have welcomed the help of companies like Radian when we were the first to jump into this fight, (and the fight at the ballot box) we will always be in debt to you, the people and small business of this state. (And a few other states.)

We also cannot sufficiently express our thanks to the individual sheriffs who have bravely stepped up to either officially join our suit or express an intention to join.

Sheriffs Brad Lohrey of Sherman County, Cody Bowen of Union County, Brian Wolfe of Malheur County, Gary Bettencourt of Gilliam County, Chris Kaber of Klamath County, Mark Garton of Polk County, and Terry Rowan of Umatilla County have all demonstrated unusual courage and. If you live in one of their counties, you are fortunate to have sheriffs who honor their oaths.

Our legal team has been working on this non-stop and have put aside many other commitments to present the best possible case. Because of the last minute introduction of another lawsuit in the same court, we now face even more unknowns.  Of course the minute we know the outcome you will too.

It has always been our policy to respond to donations with formal “thank you’s” as quickly as possible. As you can imagine, we are a bit behind on that and appreciate your patience.

But, right here and now we wanted each one of you to know how deeply grateful we are for your support.

NRA just threw their hat into the ring:
Click on "lawsuit" on the page.

Sorry, I'm having a hard time posting .pdf files.  Seems Adobe now has direct links protected.

By design, it's not possible to be compliant as a shipper.

I come to this thread via the Shotgun World Forums.  A forum member from here posted a thread about the possibility of semi-auto shotguns and pump action shotguns could be  banned because sone of those could hold more than 10 mini-shells.

I haven’t read all 12 pages of this thread.

WRT to the the Shotgun World Forums,..  

HOLY FUCK!

There are some Democratic / Communist / Socialist boot lickers over at that forum!

It is mind blowing.

Attached File

Yeah the KYGUNCO email today had a 'no shipping to OR' banner on it. At least they mentioned the crazy new laws as the reason.

You only need a double barrel to blast in the air.

Fellow gun owners are our own worst enemies

If you’ve ever actually used a large capacity magazine in lawful self defense please reach out to the big gun rights lawyers.

In Oregon you want this guy... Pro 2nd
James E Leuenberger
Criminal defense Attorney at Lake Oswego, OR

Paul Clement
CD Michel
Nolo

forgive the spelling errors

And that would be a problem with the Oregone constitution,which aint ever changing.

Sounds like you came from a FUD forum..

Good to know.

Thanks!

Odd double tap...

My original plan was to call Kevin Starrett @ Oregon Firearms Federation for a referral, as I'm sure he has plenty of good contacts as well.

That was probably me, as I’ve pointed out the only exceptions for tubular feeding devices are for .22 LR and lever action firearms. And the thing is that most Oregon gun owners didn’t know a single thing about 114, especially the “casual” Fudd and Ducks Unlimited types. Mini shells and the ridiculous 3-gun shotgun tube extensions seem to make pump & semiauto shotguns illegal after the 8th.

The more outrage, the better.

Something like 90% of the funding came from out of state, $2.3M vs $130K. It speaks volumes the the largest donor to fight this garbage is an individual, not the biggest gun store or chain.

A fee to exercise a Constitutional right, it does sound like a poll tax.

Unconstitutional on its face.  I don't see how this thing holds up under Judicial review.

I belive I shared it as well. Just don't remember which 114 thread.

Correct. And it's not going to be fixed at the ballot box.

Soapbox ain't doing anything either.

True. I don't think that was brought up yet in this thread, but the way the law is written a tube that can hold more than 10 wouldn't pass.

Also along those same lines, the restriction is greater for AR15 variants due to use of magazines capable of using 5.56x45. Many AR15s are specifically designed for alternative cartridges. A 20-round pmag loaded with something larger, for example .50 Beo - the magazine is illegal under Measure 114 based on 5.56 capacity.

Doesn't have to come from the factory able to hold more than 10.  If it's capable of having an extension tube added, it's a No-go.  

Exactly right…. Tons of Fudds there, and I think they think their shotguns in any variety are going to be untouchable.

I worked with dude who was really big into trap.

We were working on a bridge construction job.  Something came up in the news gun related.  He was standing right next me and said “The .gov can come and take all the handguns and AR15’s.  As long as I get to keep muh trap guns, I’m fine.”

I almost tossed that dude in the river below.

Posted this in hometown too. OSP responded after the case today in regards to the permitting process:
https://flashalert.net/id/OSPOre/159556
Highlights include that if you have a firearm pending and don’t receive a state FICS approval number before midnight on the 7th you are out of luck and will have to wait until you receive a permit to purchase. The permit process is in the final drafts and since time didn’t allow them to setup an automated system it will be done through paper forms.

Illinois is like hold my beer. They are gearing up for an AWB. Shihole state.

OSP is the Governor's and AG's lap dog. This is their lame attempt to bolster the State's arguments in court today that the permit requirement won't actually infringe on anybody's ability (rights? lol...) to get a firearm. "See, look, we have a permit system in place! No, really!" Whether the judge sees through their BS... who knows.

OFF's motion was denied.

“Plaintiffs have failed to demonstrate that they will suffer immediate and irreparable harm if this Court does not block Measure 114 from taking effect on December 8, 2022,” Immergut wrote in her decision.

the real tragedy and this isn't specific to oregon........the state does not fear immediate and irreparable harm by citizens for violating their rights.

thats ok. i'll keep violating their stupid rules and buying my mags anyway.

A judge in Harney County issued a TRO on all of 114 in the GOA case pending the preliminary injunction hearing.

The court is okay with the states delay on licensing scheme, but it still fucks everyone currently in limbo waiting for their guns with stock mags

I still intend to carry what I currently do.

Poll tax!

https://twitter.com/GunOwners/status/1600231926467424257

Hell yeah GOA!

I do not regret my decision to become a member of GOA. Not one bit

Good luck, hopefully it doesn't pass

That is a great start GOA!!!

Ummm, a little bro, it passed and is now in court battle.

You can still keep parts so break them down.  We have a similar law but I hear they are no longer enforced.

We have had that stupid law for years
https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/court-lifts-ban-on-high-capacity-ammunition-magazines-in-california/

If you are a man of scripture, then pray for St Judge Roger Benitez to show up and kick some ass