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Posted: 5/29/2001 1:16:44 PM EDT
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The Isrealies have had good luck using supressed 10/22's against the palastinian rock throwers. They don't know what to do when their buddies are falling over dead and they don't know where the shots are coming from.
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Posted: 5/29/2001 1:22:06 PM EDT
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Q: If you had use a .22 rifle in a tactical situation, what do you think it's limitationa and strengths (if any?) would be?
A: Limits - it's a weak cartridge at best, poor choice of bullets. Strengths - easy to suppress. Might be a good choice in an airplane at altitude or inside a nuclear plant. Q: Range? A: Shorter the better. Inside 50 yards at least. Q: Effectiveness? A: Very poor. Q: Sniping versus CQB? A: Ouch, wouldn't want to do either with a .22 LR. I might have someone giving cover fire with one while I used a more effective round to reduce numbers. Q: Type of rounds? A: Hyper velocity to be sure. In a suppressed role the 60 grain SSS rounds would seem to be ideal but their shorter than normal cases cause the breach to open causing a pop. Q: Prefer bolt-action versus semi? A: Semi to make up with number what you lack in power. |
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Posted: 5/29/2001 1:22:09 PM EDT
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actually the way i heard it the were not killing them. They were popping them in the testicles at 75 - 150yrds. Although that would probobly make you wish you were dead.
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Posted: 5/29/2001 1:29:07 PM EDT
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They needed that like they needed another hole in the-----!...........[bounce]
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Posted: 5/29/2001 10:37:51 PM EDT
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I thought I'd get more responses. Doesn't everyone have their own opinion about what's the best .22 setup for a tactical situation? Perhaps there isn't one. I'm trying to justify spending $700 for a nice 10/22-Leupold setup.
thanks, ptp |
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Posted: 5/29/2001 10:46:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Part-time Pork: I thought I'd get more responses. Doesn't everyone have their own opinion about what's the best .22 setup for a tactical situation? Perhaps there isn't one. I'm trying to justify spending $700 for a nice 10/22-Leupold setup. thanks, ptp Think $300 dollars. Don't buy a scope that will show you more than you can shoot effectively. IMHO |
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Posted: 5/29/2001 10:50:42 PM EDT
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I've got a stock 10/22 with a simmons 4x on it. I think when it was all said and done I spent maybe $160. It shoots just fine.
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Posted: 5/29/2001 11:15:27 PM EDT
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It certainly wouldn't be my first choice for serious sh!t, but for short engagement distances I think an AM180/Yugoslavian MGV176 submachinegun would do the trick. With almost no recoil, they deliver almost 30rds/sec of HV .22LR from a 165, 220, or 275rd drum.
[img]www.american180.com/images/mgv176-2.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 5/29/2001 11:24:54 PM EDT
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30 rounds/sec?? wow!!! how much do they charge for a class III like that???
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Posted: 5/29/2001 11:35:27 PM EDT
[#10]
A transferable AM180 runs about $5000 for the gun, one drum, and a drum winder. I don't think there are any transferable MGV's in the US, but they're basicly the same gun, except the MGV has the folding stock, the cool synthetic furniture, and the selector on the grip instead of on the receiver like the AM180.
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Posted: 5/29/2001 11:42:58 PM EDT
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If you know anatomy you can take up a lot of hospital beds,without killing them.
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Posted: 5/29/2001 11:44:26 PM EDT
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Cool! But $5,000 ??? Ouch. All of this Class III is so finantially restrictive. If only we could repeal that 1986 law....
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Posted: 5/29/2001 11:48:12 PM EDT
[#13]
3 to the head make sure there dead
why do think the 22 is such a choice among hush hush ops and hit men |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 12:02:21 AM EDT
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Mafioso and James Bond use the Ruger Mk II Govt. Target for assinations. That's what the 22 LR is good for. That and rats, tin cans.
I thought you were talking "22" like .224 centerfire . . . |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 12:29:12 AM EDT
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ruger 10-22 open sites,rem sub sonic rounds no need to have a can.the rounds have less noise then the action does
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Posted: 5/30/2001 2:00:07 AM EDT
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If I wanted the quietest setup, without getting a special license for silencers, would the bolt-action be preferable to the 10/22?
What is the best round for distance accuracy? Short-range stopping power? Quietest round? thanks, ptp |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 4:03:29 AM EDT
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Mafioso and James Bond use the Ruger Mk II Govt. Target for assinations. "Assinations"? Is that when you shoot someone in the rump? [;)] |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 4:12:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Part-time Pork: I thought I'd get more responses. Doesn't everyone have their own opinion about what's the best .22 setup for a tactical situation? Perhaps there isn't one. I'm trying to justify spending $700 for a nice 10/22-Leupold setup. I have a custom Volquartsen and they guarantee .5 MOA at 50 yards. I have a Bushnell scope on it and primarily shoot at 25-50 yards, but recently played around at 100 yards. It was extremely accurate at 100 yards as well and was able to put 50 rounds in a single can in a very short amount of time due to the low recoil. The whole set up probably cost $700. You don't need a Leupold scope for a .22. |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 7:51:18 AM EDT
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.45 auto guru Jeff Cooper advocates using a suppressed .22LR for taking out the leaders of riots and other civil disturbances.
I would think that a Ruger 10/22 would be a good choice of a .22. They can be suppressed and made to fire full auto. They are readily available, fairly inexpensive, accurate and easy to customize. The 22lr is no great battle cartridge but can kill you. Several years ago, one of those whacked out postal workers killed 4 or 5 co-workers and wounded several others with a 10/22. |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 8:12:46 AM EDT
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If ALL I had to deploy was a .22, I would use it against the first lone enemy I saw with a shiney new assault rifle.
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Posted: 5/30/2001 8:13:14 AM EDT
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I have a Ruger 10/22T w/Leupold 2-7 scope that I use for squirrel and rabbit hunting.
With it, if I get a good rest, I can reliably make head shots at ranges 60 - 80 yards. Shooting squirrels and bunnies is one thing, shooting at a HUMAN that will probably fire back is a totally different matter. I would try to avoid CQB with this weapon at all costs. The odds of delivering a shot that will stop or kill the assailant are slim...if I had to, I'd just get close enough and club him or just beat him. Sniping...if I had a good rest and was well concealed, I imagine I could do the trick. For ammo, I would probably use what I use to squirrel hunt...Eley Tenex...they are standard velocity solids that are very accurate, and would at the slower speeds, would probably penetrate a skull instead of shattering or ricochetting off. Sir Hacksalot |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 10:45:31 AM EDT
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10 ROUNDS OF .22 FROM MY RUGER mk11 will keep somebodys hand s off me in a self defence sitiation.
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Posted: 5/30/2001 11:02:50 AM EDT
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The loudest rimfire rounds are the hypersonic ones - lots of gunpowder and the sonic boom (crack) as the bulelt leaves the barrel.
Sub sonic LR rounds are next. Then Longs and CB's. I have shot the Aquila (sp) primer only rounds from a .22 revolver. They sound as loud as a pair of hands clapping. Of course a sling shot and a nice one ouch lead weight would probably be more effective... |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 11:41:29 AM EDT
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You are using Eley Tenex in a 10/22? Dude, you are wasting scads of money! Eley Club or even Practice 100 is fantastic ammunition and is all you need for a semi-auto. Tenex is for international competition where winning and losing comes down to mere thousdands of an inch. Semi-autos shave lead, so any benefit in accuracy that Tenex might bring you is lost.
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Posted: 5/30/2001 12:43:12 PM EDT
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Trickshot,
Thanks for the headsup. I was given 50 rounds of the Tenex when I got the gun, and loved it. I will make sure to try the other stuff out, and see how it works. The gun groups best with the Tenex, I have not tried the other ammo you mentioned, but it shoots well with it, funtcions with it, and is what I use to hunt with. Yes, I know its expensive, but sheesh, short of reloading my own .22 lr (which is impossible), I experimented with various loads, and ironically, the gun shot best with the Tenex. If I were deploying a .22, this is what my first choice to use would be. Hitting a squirrel or rabbit at 75 yards is not as easy as it sounds, nor would dotting some goblin's eye at that distance. I would take the Tenex over anything. Sir Hacksalot |
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Posted: 5/30/2001 1:22:30 PM EDT
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I would use a 10/22 with steel core ammo.
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