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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:25:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While the packs may be sealed, all the wiring is maybe not so much. Further, salt water is corrosive as shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We had multiple houses burn in our area after a hurricane 2 years ago from flooded out golf carts and cars batteries. I would imagine EVs are just as susceptible. You would be wrong. Lithium packs in cars are sealed. While the packs may be sealed, all the wiring is maybe not so much. Further, salt water is corrosive as shit. Well that would be a problem for both ICE and EV then now wouldnt it? Im going to guess interior damage on either is going to total it out regardless. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:25:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most 120V outlets are limited to generally about 1500 watts. If you plug in to a 120V outlet, you won't get very far on how much power you get in an hour or two. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. What's the EV equivalent of this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203945/479a2f4c-06e5-47e6-b2f7-0a24ce07a821-thu-2542695.JPG What's the ICE equivalent of being able to use an 120V socket anywhere to get at least some charge, by just making it out of the path of the storm outages, even if gas deliver has stopped? Or riding it out and being at home and able to slowly fuel up with solar after skies clear... but with the gas stations still empty for the next week? Most 120V outlets are limited to generally about 1500 watts. If you plug in to a 120V outlet, you won't get very far on how much power you get in an hour or two. I agree. It would suck. Far far from ideal. But in an emergency, it's more than your gas tank would fill itself up sitting outside of a hotel. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:27:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the EV driver can't find a way to recharge in 300 freakin miles, you likely aren't going to find a working gas pump either. Yes, you could say that well I can load up another 20 gallons of gasoline and go another 300 and the EV would be stuck half way. That is true...but most people don't have room for their wife, their kids, everyone's most prized belonging and a bunch of luggage....PLUS 20 fuckin gallons of extra gasoline, in their family car. EVs are better at some things than gasoline cars and they are worse at some things. There comes a point though when the situation that you are creating to show that one is better than the other, is such that which we have entered the world of rarities and ridiculousness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As I said previously in the thread. "I can see you have never done this before." So you drive 300 miles North in Florida, probably less due to some reduced range due to traffic etc. Then what? Camp on the side of the road in the rain? Yes, you could say that well I can load up another 20 gallons of gasoline and go another 300 and the EV would be stuck half way. That is true...but most people don't have room for their wife, their kids, everyone's most prized belonging and a bunch of luggage....PLUS 20 fuckin gallons of extra gasoline, in their family car. EVs are better at some things than gasoline cars and they are worse at some things. There comes a point though when the situation that you are creating to show that one is better than the other, is such that which we have entered the world of rarities and ridiculousness. Except that gasoline trucks deliver gas right up to the point where they can't get to the stations precisely to help people evacuate and help with backup power. Not being prepared to evacuate given the number of days notice there was seems kinda dumb regardless of daily driver choice. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:29:24 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that would be a problem for both ICE and EV then now wouldnt it? Im going to guess interior damage on either is going to total it out regardless. You wonder why brodozers are a thing here... Can't fuck up pertinent harnesses and get water in trans/differentials/intakes/exhausts. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:30:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many dead T-Rex’s does it take to fill that?  Quote HistoryQuoted: How many dead T-Rex’s does it take to fill that? I would only do it if I had the stock 26gal. I have a 36gal tank stock so it's not really worth it for me |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:31:44 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. It would suck. Far far from ideal. But in an emergency, it's more than your gas tank would fill itself up sitting outside of a hotel.  Attached FileDo hood rat things. There's cars at the hotel? Hose, or screw driver and you can snatch fuel in a jiffy. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:31:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stuck in bumper to bumper evacuation traffic? I can see you have never done this before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Much easier to fill a tank with a 5 gallon can of gas than to charge an EV with no power If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. Stuck in bumper to bumper evacuation traffic? I can see you have never done this before. Lol yeah and don’t run the A/C or the radio! 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:33:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You wonder why brodozers are a thing here... Can't fuck up pertinent harnesses and get water in trans/differentials/intakes/exhausts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well that would be a problem for both ICE and EV then now wouldnt it? Im going to guess interior damage on either is going to total it out regardless. You wonder why brodozers are a thing here... Can't fuck up pertinent harnesses and get water in trans/differentials/intakes/exhausts. I have family in FL outside Port Orange. You all have salt just fucking flying around the air all willy nilly on a good day. I dont see how any vehicle in FL makes it 10+ years if it's not stored in a garage. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:33:15 PM EDT
[#9]
Tell me you haven’t read the whole thread without telling me you haven’t read the whole thread.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol yeah and don’t run the A/C or the radio! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Much easier to fill a tank with a 5 gallon can of gas than to charge an EV with no power If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. Stuck in bumper to bumper evacuation traffic? I can see you have never done this before. Lol yeah and don’t run the A/C or the radio! |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:34:10 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol yeah and don’t run the A/C or the radio! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Much easier to fill a tank with a 5 gallon can of gas than to charge an EV with no power If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. Stuck in bumper to bumper evacuation traffic? I can see you have never done this before. Lol yeah and don’t run the A/C or the radio! WILLY NILLY As discussed above, go ahead a run the air conditioner. I'll still have power after the ICE cars are out of gas. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:35:38 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. But how do you use one of these to fill your EV?  Or, you know, if you're desperate: 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:36:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But how do you use one of these to fill your EV? https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/3e7d79e0-7b69-4803-99a4-50ed79e0c841_1.7edc28ac629ef343e215b77d3992574d.jpeg Or, you know, if you're desperate: https://www.thewoodworks.com.au/images/stories/virtuemart/product/t7027_A.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. But how do you use one of these to fill your EV? https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/3e7d79e0-7b69-4803-99a4-50ed79e0c841_1.7edc28ac629ef343e215b77d3992574d.jpeg Or, you know, if you're desperate: https://www.thewoodworks.com.au/images/stories/virtuemart/product/t7027_A.jpg If I'm desperate:  If you are to the point that you are going to damage and strand someone else's car... just take their car. Damn.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:39:06 PM EDT
[#13]
But AOC said we should buy EV in case there's no gasoline anymore. LOL. She is so detached from reality. What a globalist stooge.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:40:20 PM EDT
[#14]
One thing that is interesting. I don't think most people realize you aren't siphoning gas out of a modern car.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:41:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unlike gas cars, EV's engines don't use their "fuel" when idle. Same thing as we saw last winter, EV's can keep the heat on as long or longer than ICE sitting stuck on the freeway in the snow. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Much easier to fill a tank with a 5 gallon can of gas than to charge an EV with no power If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. Stuck in bumper to bumper evacuation traffic? I can see you have never done this before. Unlike gas cars, EV's engines don't use their "fuel" when idle. Same thing as we saw last winter, EV's can keep the heat on as long or longer than ICE sitting stuck on the freeway in the snow. *cough* full gascans in the trunk *cough*
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:43:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm desperate: https://www.suncoastparts.com/mm5/graphics/00000002/9/porsche%20type%202%20charger%20wall%20outlet.jpg If you are to the point that you are going to damage and strand someone else's car... just take their car. Damn. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. But how do you use one of these to fill your EV? https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/3e7d79e0-7b69-4803-99a4-50ed79e0c841_1.7edc28ac629ef343e215b77d3992574d.jpeg Or, you know, if you're desperate: https://www.thewoodworks.com.au/images/stories/virtuemart/product/t7027_A.jpg If I'm desperate: https://www.suncoastparts.com/mm5/graphics/00000002/9/porsche%20type%202%20charger%20wall%20outlet.jpg If you are to the point that you are going to damage and strand someone else's car... just take their car. Damn. That's presuming their car runs, you know. Besides, mine is a lot safer to um ... expedient transport fuel ...
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:43:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing that is interesting. I don't think most people realize you aren't siphoning gas out of a modern car. Duh, that's what the awl is for. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:44:14 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except that gasoline trucks deliver gas right up to the point where they can't get to the stations precisely to help people evacuate and help with backup power. Not being prepared to evacuate given the number of days notice there was seems kinda dumb regardless of daily driver choice. Only people who really have to evacuate are in HOAS and trailer parks really... Chintzy built is chintzy built... That face when both 600k+ and single wides fare about the same in a gustyboi. 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:47:42 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have family in FL outside Port Orange. You all have salt just fucking flying around the air all willy nilly on a good day. I dont see how any vehicle in FL makes it 10+ years if it's not stored in a garage. Both of my trucks look like brand new after a wash (black) hell even the project truck looks like brand new underneath (paint is sun blasted) and none have ever been garaged. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:49:34 PM EDT
[#20]
GET YEETED ON DURING THE STORMALOO
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:55:13 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm desperate: https://www.suncoastparts.com/mm5/graphics/00000002/9/porsche%20type%202%20charger%20wall%20outlet.jpg If you are to the point that you are going to damage and strand someone else's car... just take their car. Damn. No that's a downgrade. It's a car...cars suck in gustybois. Trucks/brodozers with a pirate flag and fuck biden flag in the bed make flooded roads easy. If really flooded? Drop bracket, carrier bearing, pull the drive shaft bolts. Bolt a propeller on the flange and take the pontoons out of the bed, bolt them to where the factory bitch rails go, put rudder in hitch receiver, open power slider, so you can steer rudder. TRUCK BOAT |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:03:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh good. I suppose all the EV owners keep a few spare cans of In fairness I actually got my electric mower partly because it works with an inverter so I can use the batteries for smaller electrical tasks then recharge em while I'm running the generator for bigger stuff anyway. EV has its place, but that place is definitely not "100% electric then it rains and your car becomes a serious hazard"
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:04:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:07:16 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only people who really have to evacuate are in HOAS and trailer parks really... Chintzy built is chintzy built... That face when both 600k+ and single wides fare about the same in a gustyboi. https://p.kindpng.com/picc/s/162-1624286_transparent-pepe-laugh-pepe-laugh-png-png-download.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Except that gasoline trucks deliver gas right up to the point where they can't get to the stations precisely to help people evacuate and help with backup power. Not being prepared to evacuate given the number of days notice there was seems kinda dumb regardless of daily driver choice. Only people who really have to evacuate are in HOAS and trailer parks really... Chintzy built is chintzy built... That face when both 600k+ and single wides fare about the same in a gustyboi. https://p.kindpng.com/picc/s/162-1624286_transparent-pepe-laugh-pepe-laugh-png-png-download.png Or live near the coast, like the majority of florida. Most of the counties that ended up dodging at the last minute before the storm hit started mandatory evacuations of a ,b and c flood zones. That’s well beyond trailer parks and housing developments. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:07:23 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GET YEETED ON DURING THE STORMALOO Reason 87 Why I love Florida. I'm outside steaks on the grille. Wind starting to kick up. Every limp wristed fuck is cowering in their houses and the sounds of cordless screw guns going brrrrrr Roads are vacant like a ghost town. Except for my people. Bro. It sounds like a drag strip in front of my house and the surrounding 5 miles. I love it. 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:11:03 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Car AC draws about 1-2 watts. The displays use considerably less. So I could sit and idle my Porsche at a comfortable temperature for 50-100 hours. Why settle for 50-100 hours? For only $20.42, you can run almost indefinitely!   Attached File |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:11:59 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why settle for 50-100 hours? For only $20.42, you can run almost indefinitely! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/386370/1462824D-08A0-4A5D-9880-40DDB3F4AFC8_jpe-2542994.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Car AC draws about 1-2 watts. The displays use considerably less. So I could sit and idle my Porsche at a comfortable temperature for 50-100 hours. Why settle for 50-100 hours? For only $20.42, you can run almost indefinitely! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/386370/1462824D-08A0-4A5D-9880-40DDB3F4AFC8_jpe-2542994.JPG 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:15:08 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have family in FL outside Port Orange. You all have salt just fucking flying around the air all willy nilly on a good day. I dont see how any vehicle in FL makes it 10+ years if it's not stored in a garage. Volusia County vehicle standards aren’t particularly high… Besides, rust holes make it easier for the flood water to drain out! |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:19:39 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reason 87 Why I love Florida. I'm outside steaks on the grille. Wind starting to kick up. Every limp wristed fuck is cowering in their houses and the sounds of cordless screw guns going brrrrrr Roads are vacant like a ghost town. Except for my people. Bro. It sounds like a drag strip in front of my house and the surrounding 5 miles. I love it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GET YEETED ON DURING THE STORMALOO Reason 87 Why I love Florida. I'm outside steaks on the grille. Wind starting to kick up. Every limp wristed fuck is cowering in their houses and the sounds of cordless screw guns going brrrrrr Roads are vacant like a ghost town. Except for my people. Bro. It sounds like a drag strip in front of my house and the surrounding 5 miles. I love it. On Patrol Live covers Volusia and Marion Counties… Might be some quality coverage this Friday/Saturday… |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:20:44 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A friend of mine keeps four of these in his glove box. He says they will give him close to thirty more minutes drive time in his Chevy Bolt. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4392/7D354219-67F4-4423-A9CA-E2574E78E45A-2542658.jpg No. Lol |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:20:49 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or live near the coast, like the majority of florida. Most of the counties that ended up dodging at the last minute before the storm hit started mandatory evacuations of a ,b and c flood zones. That’s well beyond trailer parks and housing developments. Fuck that. I got cases of flex seal. If it can seal a screen door to a boat. It'll seal the shit out of the door frames window frames and where the block meets the slab. If I have to... Brodozer, jet boat and 2 RXPs I only have to gtfo in case the reactor shits the bed. Or a tornado. Because no basment. Next house? I'm building a basement. Build the grade. Pour the slab and walls. Truck in clean fill, pack it in to German torque specs-gudentite. Build house and garage. Voila. Basement. Fuck you tornado! Do good drains along the perimeter walls to a moat around the property. Filled with gators. Why waste ammo in a home defense scenario when gators can do the deed for free? |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:27:47 PM EDT
[#32]
 someone's mowing their lawn right now! That's thinking outside the box. Save gas, don't run the blower or have to rake. Just let the wind take it.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:36:43 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How far north do you think those people in south FL are going to go? Here's a hint it's not anywhere in FL. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:38:04 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? hope your shoes are up to it or learn the backstroke |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:40:26 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotta hit the I believe button in emergencies and rub the prepubescent boobs on your Saint thunberg statue on the dashboard and growl "how dare you!" |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:41:09 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just thinking what would happen if a hurricane hit the west coast. Imagine. most parts wouldn't get much storm surge it's not as low elevation as florida. It would wreck a few multimillion dollar beachfront properties that are largely rundown shacks and make a small dent in the almond irrigation bill. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:46:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now I am wondering how efficient it would be to have a "bug out trailer". Instead of hauling extra fuel like some guys do, tow a trailer with big ass extra batteries and just run a cable. 1000 mile range here I come! needs as many wheels as a sarmat launch vehicle |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:56:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Can I charge my EV with one of these? It is a hurricane after all
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:58:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I charge my EV with one of these? It is a hurricane after all https://www.sailboat-cruising.com/images/sailboat-wind-generator-5-bladed-type.jpg Now you're cooking with |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:59:56 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I charge my EV with one of these? It is a hurricane after all https://www.sailboat-cruising.com/images/sailboat-wind-generator-5-bladed-type.jpg Does it make more than 1-2 watts? Should at least run the AC for a bit… |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:02:29 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it make more than 1-2 watts? Should at least run the AC for a bit… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can I charge my EV with one of these? It is a hurricane after all https://www.sailboat-cruising.com/images/sailboat-wind-generator-5-bladed-type.jpg Does it make more than 1-2 watts? Should at least run the AC for a bit… Well I do sweat a lot |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:06:45 PM EDT
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Hurricane Ian power outages in Florida reach 1.5 million as storm makes landfall
Florida's Lee, Collier and Sarasota counties have majority of power outages so far. Floridians are beginning to lose power, with outages hitting 1.5 million as the Category 4 Hurricane Ian made landfall Wednesday afternoon. In the morning — around 5 a.m. — reported outages totaled approximately 35,000, according to PowerOutage.us. The Unplugged Movement continues to grow!!  #TeamUnplugged |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:11:44 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stuck in bumper to bumper evacuation traffic? I can see you have never done this before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Much easier to fill a tank with a 5 gallon can of gas than to charge an EV with no power If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. Stuck in bumper to bumper evacuation traffic? I can see you have never done this before. Additionally it takes an EV approximately 20 minutes to charge using a rapid charger. Imagine the lines for changing a EV during an evaluation. The gas pump lines already get backed up when hurricane evacuations take place. The push for EVs isn’t about the environment, it’s about control and fundamentally changing how we operate as a society. Our enemies must be laughing as our nation is being destroyed from within. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:15:40 PM EDT
[#44]
In this thread, we discover who drives an EV...HINT: the ones saying it's just like a gas vehicle...LOL
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:20:12 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread, we discover who drives an EV...HINT: the ones saying it's just like a gas vehicle...LOL No. In some ways better. In some ways worse. Regardless... preparation and planning is the make or break. Not your drive train. 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:31:43 PM EDT
[#46]
Can’t wait to hear about the governors inability to govern during a crisis from the MSM
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:32:19 PM EDT
[#47]
I don't even own an EV (overpriced for my kind of driving) but am laughing at this thread.
If you didn't fill your tank or charge your car yesterday, you're a dumbass. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:40:43 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/512558/IMG_5691_jpg-2542841.JPG scrolled over to florida in my model 3 to get a live map for your viewing pleasure. Ignore the red colors - that is just something with the navigation. You can see some on the left coast are out but a fair amount are showing as active. I think this is live but i'm not sure how often it updates. If nothing else it looks like you could head east and then north. -- Do any gas cars have live maps of what gas stations are working along with info on the wait, and navigation integration? I think this is one of the cooler features of the Tesla. I'm not a GD certified Hurricane Expert - but it seems like a handy feature. Doesn't gasbuddy do that? |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:48:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Much easier to fill a tank with a 5 gallon can of gas than to charge an EV with no power If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. True dat ... if you don't bother to plug it in, you are SOL (unless you have some way to charge it) Folks who have storms brewing should take the time to "prepare" (not "panic") That said, a backup generator makes sense for more than just EV. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:49:47 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can they keep the air conditioning on as long or longer than ICE stuck in traffic? Yes Oh? How many watts does the A/C unit pull in a Tesla? Are they more efficient than the DC A/C units in an RV? |
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