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Quoted: Why is your tank empty when a hurricane hits? That would be on you. I'd be charged up (or fueled up) before the storm came. Fort Myers to Fort Lauderdale is 140 miles. Just saying, I theoretically could drive there and back without stopping to charge. I sure as shit could make it there and charge while I grab a couple Cuban sandwiches. ... If you are sitting on empty... or fleeing from the storm for 1000 miles... you really need to re-evaluate you problem solving skills regardless of what makes your wheels go around. View Quote The storm popped up out of nowhere, man, no one knew it was coming. The horror |
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Quoted: What's the ICE equivalent of being able to use an 120V socket anywhere to get at least some charge, by just making it out of the path of the storm outages, even if gas deliver has stopped? Or riding it out and being at home and able to slowly fuel up with solar after skies clear... but with the gas stations still empty for the next week? View Quote Why would I need to do any of that if I gassed up before and keep a few 5 gal cans in the garage? The fact is, I can greatly extend my vehicle's range with only mins of delay and no care what the power grid state is in any given area. You simply don't have that with EVs. |
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Can you charge an EV while driving?
Generator and 10 gallons of fuel, either towed or in the trunk? Is that an option? Solar panels? (Not that solar helps during a hurricane). |
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Tesla even sent out an alert to cars in the area before hand to remind people to charge up. I wonder if that message is automated |
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Quoted: Why would I need to do any of that if I gassed up before and keep a few 5 gal cans in the garage? The fact is, I can greatly extend my vehicle's range with only mins of delay and no care what the power grid state is in any given area. You simply don't have that with EVs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What's the ICE equivalent of being able to use an 120V socket anywhere to get at least some charge, by just making it out of the path of the storm outages, even if gas deliver has stopped? Or riding it out and being at home and able to slowly fuel up with solar after skies clear... but with the gas stations still empty for the next week? Why would I need to do any of that if I gassed up before and keep a few 5 gal cans in the garage? The fact is, I can greatly extend my vehicle's range with only mins of delay and no care what the power grid state is in any given area. You simply don't have that with EVs. My point is, if the fuel supply is disrupted for an extended period of time. You could still "get gas" anywhere at all with electricity (or if you have a home setup) indefinitely. ... If you main concern is just fleeing the storm... 300 miles is plenty. And that (or more) is the range of most new EVs. And an EV can idle in traffic with heat or AC for DAYS. If it comes to that. ... If your evacuating is contingent on "minutes"... you've already fucked up. |
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Quoted: I like that his plan is to evacuate last minute and steal from people. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh! So you just drill a hole in a full EV's battery and siphon the electricity. Makes sense. I like that his plan is to evacuate last minute and steal from people. It's better than no plan. On the plus side, no one is stealing his catalytic converter. |
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Quoted: My point is, if the fuel supply is disrupted for an extended period of time. You could still "get gas" anywhere at all with electricity (or if you have a home setup) indefinitely. ... If you main concern is just fleeing the storm... 300 miles is plenty. And that (or more) is the range of most new EVs. And an EV can idle in traffic with heat or AC for DAYS. If it comes to that. ... If your evacuating is contingent on "minutes"... you've already fucked up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's the ICE equivalent of being able to use an 120V socket anywhere to get at least some charge, by just making it out of the path of the storm outages, even if gas deliver has stopped? Or riding it out and being at home and able to slowly fuel up with solar after skies clear... but with the gas stations still empty for the next week? Why would I need to do any of that if I gassed up before and keep a few 5 gal cans in the garage? The fact is, I can greatly extend my vehicle's range with only mins of delay and no care what the power grid state is in any given area. You simply don't have that with EVs. My point is, if the fuel supply is disrupted for an extended period of time. You could still "get gas" anywhere at all with electricity (or if you have a home setup) indefinitely. ... If you main concern is just fleeing the storm... 300 miles is plenty. And that (or more) is the range of most new EVs. And an EV can idle in traffic with heat or AC for DAYS. If it comes to that. ... If your evacuating is contingent on "minutes"... you've already fucked up. So you drive 300 miles North in Florida, probably less due to some reduced range due to traffic etc. Then what? Camp on the side of the road in the rain? |
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The amount of people in any vehicle who have zero preparation skill should really show everyone it has nothing to do with EVs. Would an ev be my choice no however it’s always amazing how many people have zero preps during this stuff. It’s like the gas or charge thing neither matter if you don’t have a plan to where you’re going or plans if something fubars while on the way.
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Quoted: What's the ICE equivalent of being able to use an 120V socket anywhere to get at least some charge, by just making it out of the path of the storm outages, even if gas deliver has stopped? Or riding it out and being at home and able to slowly fuel up with solar after skies clear... but with the gas stations still empty for the next week? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. What's the EV equivalent of this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203945/479a2f4c-06e5-47e6-b2f7-0a24ce07a821-thu-2542695.JPG What's the ICE equivalent of being able to use an 120V socket anywhere to get at least some charge, by just making it out of the path of the storm outages, even if gas deliver has stopped? Or riding it out and being at home and able to slowly fuel up with solar after skies clear... but with the gas stations still empty for the next week? The solution is to own a large diesel truck with a generator + tank in the trunk, towing an EV for mobile electricity needs. |
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Quoted: Approximately 95,000 people are currently without power in Southwest Florida. Governor Desantis says millions will be effected by this time tomorrow. EV owners are strongly encouraged to remain indoors and are advised that it may be unsafe to reconnect any unplugged vehicles that are outside for the next 24-48 hours. View Quote If you take out the battery packs, the little go karts make good boats. |
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Quoted: If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. View Quote |
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Quoted: As I said previously in the thread. "I can see you have never done this before." So you drive 300 miles North in Florida, probably less due to some reduced range due to traffic etc. Then what? Camp on the side of the road in the rain? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's the ICE equivalent of being able to use an 120V socket anywhere to get at least some charge, by just making it out of the path of the storm outages, even if gas deliver has stopped? Or riding it out and being at home and able to slowly fuel up with solar after skies clear... but with the gas stations still empty for the next week? Why would I need to do any of that if I gassed up before and keep a few 5 gal cans in the garage? The fact is, I can greatly extend my vehicle's range with only mins of delay and no care what the power grid state is in any given area. You simply don't have that with EVs. My point is, if the fuel supply is disrupted for an extended period of time. You could still "get gas" anywhere at all with electricity (or if you have a home setup) indefinitely. ... If you main concern is just fleeing the storm... 300 miles is plenty. And that (or more) is the range of most new EVs. And an EV can idle in traffic with heat or AC for DAYS. If it comes to that. ... If your evacuating is contingent on "minutes"... you've already fucked up. So you drive 300 miles North in Florida, probably less due to some reduced range due to traffic etc. Then what? Camp on the side of the road in the rain? Why drive North, why not East? It's not like we don't know the path of the storm. And power isn't going to be out the whole way up ahead of you regardless. |
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Quoted: You’ve obviously never dealt with a hurricane, or have any idea what you’re talking about. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If you know a storm is coming and don't bother to charge your car before hand, you are an idiot. 250-300 miles will get you plenty far away. You’ve obviously never dealt with a hurricane, or have any idea what you’re talking about. Assuming I didn't spend 6 years living across the border from Outer Banks, NC (which I did)... but, for the sake of conversation, if I knew about hurricanes, I wouldn't need to be prepared by making sure my car was full BEFORE landfall? |
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Quoted: As I said previously in the thread. "I can see you have never done this before." So you drive 300 miles North in Florida, probably less due to some reduced range due to traffic etc. Then what? Camp on the side of the road in the rain? View Quote Yes, you could say that well I can load up another 20 gallons of gasoline and go another 300 and the EV would be stuck half way. That is true...but most people don't have room for their wife, their kids, everyone's most prized belonging and a bunch of luggage....PLUS 20 fuckin gallons of extra gasoline, in their family car. EVs are better at some things than gasoline cars and they are worse at some things. There comes a point though when the situation that you are creating to show that one is better than the other, is such that which we have entered the world of rarities and ridiculousness. |
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If you are unprepared, you are probably gonna get stranded.
It's been happening for decades. ICE cars clearly won't save you from this. EV's won't either. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Frank Rizzo of the FWC stated, “The Florida manatee is naturally attracted to high amperage electrical devices and won’t hesitate to unplug them as the rising waters allow them to swim further into flooded residential areas.” Shouldn’t there be memes of this? Attached File |
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Quoted: If the EV driver can't find a way to recharge in 300 freakin miles, you likely aren't going to find a working gas pump either. Yes, you could say that well I can load up another 20 gallons of gasoline and go another 300 and the EV would be stuck half way. That is true...but most people don't have room for their wife, their kids, everyone's most prized belonging and a bunch of luggage....PLUS 20 fuckin gallons of extra gasoline, in their family car. EVs are better at some things than gasoline cars and they are worse at some things. There comes a point though when the situation that you are creating to show that one is better than the other, is such that which we have entered the world of rarities and ridiculousness. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: As I said previously in the thread. "I can see you have never done this before." So you drive 300 miles North in Florida, probably less due to some reduced range due to traffic etc. Then what? Camp on the side of the road in the rain? Yes, you could say that well I can load up another 20 gallons of gasoline and go another 300 and the EV would be stuck half way. That is true...but most people don't have room for their wife, their kids, everyone's most prized belonging and a bunch of luggage....PLUS 20 fuckin gallons of extra gasoline, in their family car. EVs are better at some things than gasoline cars and they are worse at some things. There comes a point though when the situation that you are creating to show that one is better than the other, is such that which we have entered the world of rarities and ridiculousness. And keep in mind, sitting in traffic, your "engine" isn't using gas when idling. Your 300 mile range is gonna pretty much be 300 miles, if it takes you 5 hours or 40. |
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Quoted: My point is, if the fuel supply is disrupted for an extended period of time. You could still "get gas" anywhere at all with electricity (or if you have a home setup) indefinitely. ... If you main concern is just fleeing the storm... 300 miles is plenty. And that (or more) is the range of most new EVs. And an EV can idle in traffic with heat or AC for DAYS. If it comes to that. ... If your evacuating is contingent on "minutes"... you've already fucked up. View Quote Actually…if you’re planning to find lodging, you’re gonna end up driving a LOT more than 300 miles to find a hotel right now… |
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If more people had EVs there would not even be hurricanes, How dare you.
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Quoted: And keep in mind, sitting in traffic, your "engine" isn't using gas when idling. Your 300 mile range is gonna pretty much be 300 miles, if it takes you 5 hours or 40. View Quote No...no it cannot do that. The average Joe American's car is his garage right now, can't do that either. Suddenly every arfcomer has the perfect hurricane bug out truck in their garage and a underground gas tank in the back 40, full of 2 week old premium gas ready to go at all times. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/386370/9A3790C1-BD80-45F7-8BFD-B87A01FDAE60_jpe-2542734.JPG View Quote Big Bend Power Station! My father-in-law worked there for pretty much his entire career with TECO. The manatee viewing center is pretty neat. |
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Quoted: Actually…if you’re planning to find lodging, you’re gonna end up driving a LOT more than 300 miles to find a hotel right now… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: My point is, if the fuel supply is disrupted for an extended period of time. You could still "get gas" anywhere at all with electricity (or if you have a home setup) indefinitely. ... If you main concern is just fleeing the storm... 300 miles is plenty. And that (or more) is the range of most new EVs. And an EV can idle in traffic with heat or AC for DAYS. If it comes to that. ... If your evacuating is contingent on "minutes"... you've already fucked up. Actually…if you’re planning to find lodging, you’re gonna end up driving a LOT more than 300 miles to find a hotel right now… So? That's going to apply to gas cars too. A few counties are out of power, not the entire state of Florida. 300 miles will get you to a charger (or worst case an electrical socket) with power. https://poweroutage.us/area/state/florida |
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A gas station with a backup generator can run the pumps and refuel how many cars in one hour?
Not to mention it can fuel its own generator. How many EVs can be charged by the same output in one hour and where does such an equal scenario even exist for EVs? |
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Quoted: Actually if you're planning to find lodging, you're gonna end up driving a LOT more than 300 miles to find a hotel right now View Quote This guy understands hurricanes (looking at you Virginia EV fanboy). Would like to hear what the EV guys would think the availability of a charger(assuming power is available) during a hurricane evacuation on an evacuation route would be? I am beginning to think northerners shouldn't even be allowed to post in hurricane threads. |
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Quoted: Man riding out hurricane in Fort Myers says he's seeing "incredibly high" waves in Gulf of Mexico Frank Loni, an architect from California who is working in Fort Myers, Florida, said he's "never seen something of this nature before" as Hurricane Ian hammers the area. He's seeing cars and boats float down the street and "trees nearly bent in half," as well as some people seeking shelter, he told CNN's Ana Cabrera. The storm surge is about 5 feet high right now, he estimated. The National Hurricane Center said storm surge could reach 18 feet in the area. The Florida Fish & Wildlife Commission (FWC) has advised the storm surge may result in dangerous encounters with marine wildlife. Frank Rizzo of the FWC stated, “The Florida manatee is naturally attracted to high amperage electrical devices and won’t hesitate to unplug them as the rising waters allow them to swim further into flooded residential areas.” View Quote wtf manatees unplugging shit? |
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Quoted: Some of these arguments.... "Well the EV truck can't tow my 87 foot horse trailer through the Stelvio Pass in Italy with 23 feet of snow on the ground, in a single charge!" No...no it cannot do that. The average Joe American's car is his garage right now, can't do that either. Suddenly every arfcomer has the perfect hurricane bug out truck in their garage and a underground gas tank in the back 40, full of 2 week old premium gas ready to go at all times. View Quote Toyota Camry gets 40mpg….has a 16 gallon tank… For bug out purposes, throw a few 5 gallon jerry cans in the trunk and you’ve literally doubled your range. 4x4 Pickup is desirable but not required for hurricane bug out… #TeamUnplugged |
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300 gallon fuel blivet - $3,072 . Enough fuel for 20 gasoline vehicles.
1Mwh mobile charging station - $1,104,800 . Enough charge for 20 electric vehicles. |
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Quoted: About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. View Quote Or grab a few battery packs. I would think an EV owner would be fully prepared just like a ICE vehicle owner. Not many poor folks have EV and since they are smart (reason why they are not poor) they have the funds to plan ahead. Or just fire up the emergency generator and charge your EV. |
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Quoted: Toyota Camry gets 40mpg .has a 16 gallon tank For bug out purposes, throw a few 5 gallon jerry cans in the trunk and you've literally doubled your range. 4x4 Pickup is desirable but not required for hurricane bug out #TeamUnplugged View Quote |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Actually if you're planning to find lodging, you're gonna end up driving a LOT more than 300 miles to find a hotel right now This guy understands hurricanes (looking at you Virginia EV fanboy). Would like to hear what the EV guys would think the availability of a charger(assuming power is available) during a hurricane evacuation on an evacuation route would be? I am beginning to think northerners shouldn't even be allowed to post in hurricane threads. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/retard-face-png-7-1829589.png |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/holy-fuck-my-chin-long-as-fuck-lol-29755-1719598.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Actually if you're planning to find lodging, you're gonna end up driving a LOT more than 300 miles to find a hotel right now This guy understands hurricanes (looking at you Virginia EV fanboy). Would like to hear what the EV guys would think the availability of a charger(assuming power is available) during a hurricane evacuation on an evacuation route would be? I am beginning to think northerners shouldn't even be allowed to post in hurricane threads. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/retard-face-png-7-1829589.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/holy-fuck-my-chin-long-as-fuck-lol-29755-1719598.png |
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Quoted: Do you need to drive 1,280 miles....literally half way across the fucking country, without ever stopping for fuel, to escape death in FL today? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Toyota Camry gets 40mpg .has a 16 gallon tank For bug out purposes, throw a few 5 gallon jerry cans in the trunk and you've literally doubled your range. 4x4 Pickup is desirable but not required for hurricane bug out #TeamUnplugged In the coming news, there where be countless stories of dead EV owners who could only get 300 miles away. |
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Quoted: About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Yes but I can easily put 1000 miles worth of fuel in a few cans that cost $10 and have them secured in the bed of my truck. |
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Quoted: Do you need to drive 1,280 miles....literally half way across the fucking country without ever stopping for fuel, to escape the hurricane today? Is everyone who lives within 1000 miles of FL all fucked? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Toyota Camry gets 40mpg .has a 16 gallon tank For bug out purposes, throw a few 5 gallon jerry cans in the trunk and you've literally doubled your range. 4x4 Pickup is desirable but not required for hurricane bug out #TeamUnplugged You know how in cartoons... this wheel is rolling behind someone running away... and they just keep running straight before getting crushed. It's like that. |
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Quoted: Yes but I can easily put 1000 miles worth of fuel in a few cans that cost $10 and have them secured in the bed of my truck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you evacuate with a dead EV? About the same as a car with an empty gas tank, I figure. Yes but I can easily put 1000 miles worth of fuel in a few cans that cost $10 and have them secured in the bed of my truck. Miami is 140 miles away from Ft Myers. Just go to Miami and hit up a few clubs. |
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Quoted: We had multiple houses burn in our area after a hurricane 2 years ago from flooded out golf carts and cars batteries. I would imagine EVs are just as susceptible. View Quote Failed To Load Title Tesla Model S "swimming" - raw video There’s quite a few instances of this. Has the entire state of florida lost power? For the past few days? |
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Quoted: What's the ICE equivalent of being able to use an 120V socket anywhere to get at least some charge, by just making it out of the path of the storm outages, even if gas deliver has stopped? Or riding it out and being at home and able to slowly fuel up with solar after skies clear... but with the gas stations still empty for the next week? View Quote For my normal driving that would last me over a month. Facing a hurricane is best handled like a Ambush. Don't be there when it happens. |
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Quoted: This guy understands hurricanes (looking at you Virginia EV fanboy). Would like to hear what the EV guys would think the availability of a charger(assuming power is available) during a hurricane evacuation on an evacuation route would be? I am beginning to think northerners shouldn't even be allowed to post in hurricane threads. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Actually if you're planning to find lodging, you're gonna end up driving a LOT more than 300 miles to find a hotel right now This guy understands hurricanes (looking at you Virginia EV fanboy). Would like to hear what the EV guys would think the availability of a charger(assuming power is available) during a hurricane evacuation on an evacuation route would be? I am beginning to think northerners shouldn't even be allowed to post in hurricane threads. Folks from up North or out West are welcome to join us for the “Hurricane Experience” Tour. Southbound traffic on I-75 & I-95 is extremely light right now, so it’s not too late to join in! Lodging is a bit of a challenge but hardcore survivalists aren’t afraid of roughing it! Those who complete the tour will be allowed to keep whatever downed stoplights, street signs, flood damaged cars, free floating boats, and more, that they encounter on the tour. Flood damaged ammo might even be a possibility in certain areas! Please do not attempt to feed the alligators while you’re here…we tried that a few seasons ago and our customer satisfaction surveys took a hit (incomplete surveys count against us) Attached File |
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