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Posted: 7/15/2022 2:30:59 PM EDT
[#1]
This is how you get robotic trains.
Robots don’t strike or complain about working conditions. 
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Posted: 7/15/2022 2:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just telling you that a position where you shouldn't have to pay for the rising health care costs which are beyond the railroads control isn't going to gain sympathy from a public that has no choice but to deal with the same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There’s always gold in the comments to RR posts these days. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2117/82C9F8B4-ECEE-4D6C-9539-16E4B874E29E_jpe-2453755.JPG "We shouldn't have to pay more for our healthcare"  Funny how our out-of-pocket healthcare expenses should keep pace with actual inflation but our pay shouldn’t. Welcome to the party pal. You think we haven’t already been at it for years? I'm just telling you that a position where you shouldn't have to pay for the rising health care costs which are beyond the railroads control isn't going to gain sympathy from a public that has no choice but to deal with the same thing. I don’t think the RRs boasting about records while mistreating their employees are going to garner much sympathy, either. I guess we’ll just have to take our chances. Not like we have much to lose at this point. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 2:34:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every business wants to cut costs, raise revenue, and increase profits. Lots of them will make dumb long-term decisions in order to have short-term stock increases. Many businesses have long periods before new employees are functional in the job. Other than the near monopoly (which several industries have), it's about the same. Most of them will only affect themselves or be limited in their affect on others. I'm curious what industries you're referring to? The barriers to running new rail lines and starting a new Railroad are nearly insurmountable. They are in effect utilities, just not as highly regulated after the staggers act. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 2:36:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New builds coming from China. Yep the 53' coming off ships are all brand new from china, sorta sucks to because they don't fit right on a container ship, normally coming in, in bulkers loaded athwartships (aka across the ship, not fore and aft like normal). Companies can't seem to buy and get them fast enough, sees like everyone is buying them and switching to them. At the same time the rail roads seem to want to cut back, on people and equipment. Do the big boys know something we don't aka Rail Roads are going to get there shit together... I think not with current management. They seem to drive people and customers away as fast as they can. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 2:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every business wants to cut costs, raise revenue, and increase profits. Lots of them will make dumb long-term decisions in order to have short-term stock increases. Many businesses have long periods before new employees are functional in the job. Other than the near monopoly (which several industries have), it's about the same. and how many of those industry's bad business decisions can have such a detremental effect on MOST every other industry and business in the nation? If WidgetCo makes dumbass decisions the ripple effect is pretty tiny compared to the insdustry that delivers damn near everything you touch. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 2:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is how you get robotic trains. Robots don’t strike or complain about working conditions. Oh that is most certainly the end goal, we have software that can reasonably "run" the train over pretty basic territory but on EVERY trip I'm on, the engineer has to take over because the software is going to get an 'overspeed penalty braking application" or there is some glitch to deal with. We ain't living in George Jetson times yet my friend and until then experienced people are needed to move this stuff over the road 
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Posted: 7/15/2022 2:49:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep the 53' coming off ships are all brand new from china, sorta sucks to because they don't fit right on a container ship, normally coming in, in bulkers loaded athwartships (aka across the ship, not fore and aft like normal). Companies can't seem to buy and get them fast enough, sees like everyone is buying them and switching to them. At the same time the rail roads seem to want to cut back, on people and equipment. Do the big boys know something we don't aka Rail Roads are going to get there shit together... I think not with current management. They seem to drive people and customers away as fast as they can. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New builds coming from China. Yep the 53' coming off ships are all brand new from china, sorta sucks to because they don't fit right on a container ship, normally coming in, in bulkers loaded athwartships (aka across the ship, not fore and aft like normal). Companies can't seem to buy and get them fast enough, sees like everyone is buying them and switching to them. At the same time the rail roads seem to want to cut back, on people and equipment. Do the big boys know something we don't aka Rail Roads are going to get there shit together... I think not with current management. They seem to drive people and customers away as fast as they can. A large portion are replenishment stock ordered before Covid. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:02:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is how you get robotic trains. Robots don’t strike or complain about working conditions. I’m not TY&E but even I know it’s not that simple. Robots are not going to change knuckles, robots are not going to read themselves through form b’s. Robots are not going to flag across a box 1. Robots are not going to call in a broken gate or power off light, robots are not going to sweep and hand throw a switch, etc. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:06:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We already have a good retirement program. Sounds like you need to step up and start contributing more. This has nothing to do with me. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not TY&E but even I know it’s not that simple. Robots are not going to change knuckles, robots are not going to read themselves through form b’s. Robots are not going to flag across a box 1. Robots are not going to call in a broken gate or power off light, robots are not going to sweep and hand throw a switch, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is how you get robotic trains. Robots don’t strike or complain about working conditions. I’m not TY&E but even I know it’s not that simple. Robots are not going to change knuckles, robots are not going to read themselves through form b’s. Robots are not going to flag across a box 1. Robots are not going to call in a broken gate or power off light, robots are not going to sweep and hand throw a switch, etc.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:13:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fire everyone and start over with .gov employees? Federalize? Could the RR industry become any more screwed up? fire seasoned railroaders, and replace with gov imbeciles? possibly the stupidest post on arfcom, ever. great idea poster, let's invite the .gov to take over, and run things. they have never, absolutely ever, fucked up a single thing, they ever put under their control. logoff, and never return. please. 
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:14:52 PM EDT
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Is this game on for sure?
Will potus or someone step in and push it back a month? If still on, what will we see in say 5 days....10 days? |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This has nothing to do with me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We already have a good retirement program. Sounds like you need to step up and start contributing more. This has nothing to do with me. You don’t participate in SS? |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this game on for sure? Will potus or someone step in and push it back a month? If still on, what will we see in say 5 days....10 days? Nope. PEB formed. Presidential Emergency Board |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:23:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. PEB formed. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2022/07/15/executive-order-on-establishing-an-emergency-board-to-investigate-disputes-between-certain-railroads-represented-by-the-national-carriers-conference-committee-of-the-national-railway-labor-co/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is this game on for sure? Will potus or someone step in and push it back a month? If still on, what will we see in say 5 days....10 days? Nope. PEB formed. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2022/07/15/executive-order-on-establishing-an-emergency-board-to-investigate-disputes-between-certain-railroads-represented-by-the-national-carriers-conference-committee-of-the-national-railway-labor-co/ People who can’t hotlink don’t deserve pay raises. Executive Order on Establishing an Emergency Board |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:24:09 PM EDT
[#16]
Have a giant lot of new cars/trucks that they unload off the train there and then onto trucks for delivery.
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:27:44 PM EDT
[#17]
As a retired railroader of 25 years I'm betting BIG that less than a minute will go by from the time the strike starts until it gets ended by FJB signing the paperwork ordering the striking unions back to work. I was a member of the BLET for 25 years, went on strike once, and guess what happened, the strike ended in less than a minute from the phone call saying "we are on strike" until the next phone call "The strike is over". We have and have always had union leaders who will not go to jail if the membership strikes. If the membership can't strike then they have no power. No need to tell me all the details, I've heard them all my entire life as my Dad was a railroad man too. Watch and see what happens.
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:41:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As a retired railroader of 25 years I'm betting BIG that less than a minute will go by from the time the strike starts until it gets ended by FJB signing the paperwork ordering the striking unions back to work. I was a member of the BLET for 25 years, went on strike once, and guess what happened, the strike ended in less than a minute from the phone call saying "we are on strike" until the next phone call "The strike is over". We have and have always had union leaders who will not go to jail if the membership strikes. If the membership can't strike then they have no power. No need to tell me all the details, I've heard them all my entire life as my Dad was a railroad man too. Watch and see what happens. I think even if he didn't sign an order nothing happening was a possibility. The upper union leadership seems concerned about the optics of striking during a supply chain crisis. And yes I agree they're not willing to put themselves on the line at all anymore. There's been a lot of grassroots member level effort to change the current BLET leadership because of the feeling they haven't been doing enough. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:42:07 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People who can’t hotlink don’t deserve pay raises. Executive Order on Establishing an Emergency Board All the healthcare increases and no raises! I blame laziness and using my phone. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:43:05 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As a retired railroader of 25 years I'm betting BIG that less than a minute will go by from the time the strike starts until it gets ended by FJB signing the paperwork ordering the striking unions back to work. I was a member of the BLET for 25 years, went on strike once, and guess what happened, the strike ended in less than a minute from the phone call saying "we are on strike" until the next phone call "The strike is over". We have and have always had union leaders who will not go to jail if the membership strikes. If the membership can't strike then they have no power. No need to tell me all the details, I've heard them all my entire life as my Dad was a railroad man too. Watch and see what happens. Yep, they have captive labor, can't strike, they also have captive customers, no other real option. So they take full advantage of the protected monopolies they have and they know no mater how little they pay or how shitty they treat everyone, they will still get the work and people will have to work for them. They know it, and they take advantage of it. It's sad. I feel bad for the guys working for them, they run there employees into the ground, just like they run there equipment and infrastructure into the ground. Best wishes guys, hope you get something. Better conditions (the time off system they have is BS) and cost of living increase should be a min. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:47:22 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was the Union Pacific RR really fucking up their takeover of the Southern Pacific RR. we were working in houston when the "merger" happened. for the next 14 months, we all got bad backs, trying to carry home the money they were throwing at us. we never made so much, moving so little, for so long. an epic, railroad operating disaster, of unimaginable experiences. we still had a days pay, for every train we patched/dog-catched, and some days, you might attempt to move 8-10 trains. no mandatory rest days, and still had 8 hour calls, so the money way there, free for the taking. all you needed to do, was be able to ignore the total lack of competent supervision, and accept the facts that you weren't actually gonna move any train, anywhere of significance.
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Posted: 7/15/2022 3:48:04 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think even if he didn't sign an order nothing happening was a possibility. The upper union leadership seems concerned about the optics of striking during a supply chain crisis. And yes I agree they're not willing to put themselves on the line at all anymore. There's been a lot of grassroots member level effort to change the current BLET leadership because of the feeling they haven't been doing enough. I've volunteered to be a Union officer 'stand in' and go to jail for wildcat strikes...as long as they pay me 1.5x road guarantee...
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Posted: 7/15/2022 4:04:25 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote Historyokay, i laughed. a lot.
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Posted: 7/15/2022 4:06:48 PM EDT
[#24]
It'll be interesting to see who's appointed...
But whoever it is I hope they watched the STB hearings. I'd pretty much prefer regular people off the street be appointed rather than "seasoned arbitrators experienced with railroad operations" Quote HistoryQuoted: People who can’t hotlink don’t deserve pay raises. Executive Order on Establishing an Emergency Board |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 4:08:39 PM EDT
[#25]
Just one more element to add to the justification for unattended and unmonitored curbside ballot boxes for mid-term elections.
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Posted: 7/15/2022 4:20:54 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just one more element to add to the justification for unattended and unmonitored curbside ballot boxes for mid-term elections. So the union members can vote left? My experience has been the opposite. It is pretty mixed, but a majority of RR's are right leaning from my experience (in right leaning states to begin with). |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 4:50:34 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the union members can vote left? My experience has been the opposite. It is pretty mixed, but a majority of RR's are right leaning from my experience (in right leaning states to begin with). UP leadership is definitely Dem. Buffet is a Dem but BN leadership is not. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 5:12:39 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: UP leadership is definitely Dem. Buffet is a Dem but BN leadership is not. I got the impression the discussion was about the political leanings of union railroaders, mayhap I'm mistaken |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 5:39:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BREAKING: BNSF train derailment happened yesterday by Stanley, ND on the Glasgow sub. Double main tracks both taken out as well as both cross over switches. Guys I’m talking to that are there say 40+ cars on the ground. Estimated 100 40 foot panels will need to be installed. This is BNSF’s main priority line for shipping freight and Amtrak from Washington to Chicago I have a feeling this will take longer than expected.. probably won’t be done and surfaced until Monday / Tuesday A Z train reportedly hit the dirt at 68mph. No injuries reported. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 5:40:39 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A Z train reportedly hit the dirt at 68mph. No injuries reported. oof... I hit a fuel truck at 68mph once...figured I was cooked
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Posted: 7/15/2022 6:09:26 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got the impression the discussion was about the political leanings of union railroaders, mayhap I'm mistaken Potato potatoe. LOL |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 6:46:34 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: UP leadership is definitely Dem. Buffet is a Dem but BN leadership is not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So the union members can vote left? My experience has been the opposite. It is pretty mixed, but a majority of RR's are right leaning from my experience (in right leaning states to begin with). UP leadership is definitely Dem. Buffet is a Dem but BN leadership is not. I am starting to see preferred pronouns showing up in company communications.  |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 7:31:26 PM EDT
[#33]
“National labor contract”….
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Posted: 7/15/2022 8:53:07 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Employees can negotiate for their own salary with the company offering the standard suite of insurance, PTO, retirement, etc. benefits like most other employers do, and all without having to pay for union dues. Serious question - even before all the COVID-related stupidity, how many workers in other industries would put up with not getting a pay raise for 2+ years before they went to a competitor or a different industry? As an outsider looking in I'm rather gobsmacked at the shit both the union and employer have been feeding to the workers. I was in IT. Had about 5 years of no raises, no bonus, staff cuts all while the CEOs would yak about record profits massive bonuses for 'leadership'. I quit that industry and went to the railroad, where I'd have steady pay, good benefits, and an awesome retirement. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 8:55:20 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “National labor contract”…. pretty much Unions can negotiate individually with individual railroads and that sometomes occurs resulting in an "on property agreement" |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 9:00:00 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: we were working in houston when the "merger" happened. for the next 14 months, we all got bad backs, trying to carry home the money they were throwing at us. we never made so much, moving so little, for so long. an epic, railroad operating disaster, of unimaginable experiences. we still had a days pay, for every train we patched/dog-catched, and some days, you might attempt to move 8-10 trains. no mandatory rest days, and still had 8 hour calls, so the money way there, free for the taking. all you needed to do, was be able to ignore the total lack of competent supervision, and accept the facts that you weren't actually gonna move any train, anywhere of significance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was the Union Pacific RR really fucking up their takeover of the Southern Pacific RR. we were working in houston when the "merger" happened. for the next 14 months, we all got bad backs, trying to carry home the money they were throwing at us. we never made so much, moving so little, for so long. an epic, railroad operating disaster, of unimaginable experiences. we still had a days pay, for every train we patched/dog-catched, and some days, you might attempt to move 8-10 trains. no mandatory rest days, and still had 8 hour calls, so the money way there, free for the taking. all you needed to do, was be able to ignore the total lack of competent supervision, and accept the facts that you weren't actually gonna move any train, anywhere of significance. CSX sent roadforeman down to Texas to help them run trains, my roadforeman was one of them, when he came back he told us how fucked things were, he said they would get on trains and sit...sit and when they were done sitting the next crew would do the same thing. I remember UP offering BIG money for class 1 Engineers from the other class 1 railroads to come work for them. I tried to talk the wife into it but she wasn't hearing any of it. Too bad cause I'd have cleaned up. I've had big money days on CSX but not 8-10 trains. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 9:02:16 PM EDT
[#37]
Let's see how Biden screws this up.
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Posted: 7/15/2022 9:03:33 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BREAKING: BNSF train derailment happened yesterday by Stanley, ND on the Glasgow sub. Double main tracks both taken out as well as both cross over switches. Guys I’m talking to that are there say 40+ cars on the ground. Estimated 100 40 foot panels will need to be installed. This is BNSF’s main priority line for shipping freight and Amtrak from Washington to Chicago I have a feeling this will take longer than expected.. probably won’t be done and surfaced until Monday / Tuesday Yeah, that kept us busy in the office today. I did hear a few panicked calls from management along the lines of 'wtf are we going to do on Monday if they all walk?!?" Well, maybe that will help them out with signing that contract. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 9:25:20 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is how you get robotic trains. Robots don’t strike or complain about working conditions. How do I get in on the Elon Pacific Railroad IPO? |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 9:37:53 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, that kept us busy in the office today. I did hear a few panicked calls from management along the lines of 'wtf are we going to do on Monday if they all walk?!?" Well, maybe that will help them out with signing that contract. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: BREAKING: BNSF train derailment happened yesterday by Stanley, ND on the Glasgow sub. Double main tracks both taken out as well as both cross over switches. Guys I’m talking to that are there say 40+ cars on the ground. Estimated 100 40 foot panels will need to be installed. This is BNSF’s main priority line for shipping freight and Amtrak from Washington to Chicago I have a feeling this will take longer than expected.. probably won’t be done and surfaced until Monday / Tuesday Yeah, that kept us busy in the office today. I did hear a few panicked calls from management along the lines of 'wtf are we going to do on Monday if they all walk?!?" Well, maybe that will help them out with signing that contract. This has to have been the “quietest” derailments I have seen. Nothing hit the news and the feedback we were getting from the BN was limited. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 9:46:45 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have nothing to add other than I had to spend a couple of days in the shithole of North Platte, NE a few weeks back and went to the railroad museum. The museum itself was a sad gift shop but the observation deck was cool. Giant rail yard. Giant maintenance ‘hangar’ (I don’t know the train lingo.) must have been 100 or more locomotives in the yard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/131934/C8980D6A-C713-4E5D-9E33-955D8AD7E59D-2452599.jpg That's pretty cool but it does make me wonder what an engine in KCS liverly is doing in North Platte (far right of your image) |
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Posted: 7/16/2022 7:49:40 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the union members can vote left? My experience has been the opposite. It is pretty mixed, but a majority of RR's are right leaning from my experience (in right leaning states to begin with). @Thirteener |
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Posted: 7/16/2022 9:04:01 PM EDT
[#43]
Executive Order on Establishing an Emergency Board to Investigate Disputes Between Certain Railroads Represented by the National Carriers’ Conference Committee of the National Railway Labor Conference and Their Employees Represented by Certain Labor Organizations That's quite the word salad there. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 6:51:37 AM EDT
[#44]
FJB establishing a PEB is just a part of the game. It is no big deal, It's a routine process when things get to this level. Railroaders should ask themselves this question, Can you name one time the carriers didn't get what they really wanted? Get the KY or Astroglide out guys as your no balls union leadership is getting ready to bend you over. Dennis Pierce is the biggest wimp of a union leader we ever had, like the rest of them at the top he has a nice salary and health care plan and has been removed far to long from the seat to remember what it's really like.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:02:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2022 11:20:23 PM EDT
[#46]
 Massive disruptions to the supply chain predicted by experts Supply chain is only going to get worse? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:11:47 AM EDT
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“There is a price that will get you enough workers. I don’t know what that price is. But everything has a price,” Martin J. Oberman says https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/stb-chairman-says-higher-pay-would-help-solve-railroad-crew-shortages/?fbclid=IwAR3-l7B72GQEKVm0XniYkj_hfyGeyG-w2j_URVrtF_bfj-eyGN5QVk0JinU |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:15:06 AM EDT
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1. Railroads would be prohibited from raising prices during service emergencies under a legislative package introduced this week meant to address the delays and high costs that have dragged down shipper operations for months. 2. The measure, introduced last Tuesday by House leaders in areas such as agriculture and transportation, requires rail contracts to include service delivery standards and would greatly expand the power of the Surface Transportation Board to regulate railroads when the agency declares a service emergency. 3. The bill also allows shippers who own or lease their own railcars to assess fines on railroads when there are service delays. “This bill will level the playing field and provide railroad customers—many of which are transporting key food and energy products—the service they deserve,” said co-sponsor Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR) https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/freight-rail-shipping-bill-service-emergencies-stb-congress/628926/?fbclid=IwAR1lM1QuBDcK4oEISRpc4Ooup7r3Tjav0JjSOXWhp6mjKgMIxv_2s9-QZOg |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:24:20 AM EDT
[#49]
One industry in this country should not be able to fuck damn near every other industry to tears... Whether or not you realize it, I GUARANTEE you that if you are a business owner, employee, or just a consumer, this nonsense has cost you money.
During the 1970s, the railroad industry as a whole was struggling. Some thought nationalization was imminent, and rail service was generally in the toilet. Fifty years later, after Staggers, huge mergers, massive technology and physical plant investments, big new or remodeled headquarters buildings, strong financial performance, and PSR, rail service has returned to the toilet. Recognition of this by shippers and the federal government resulted in Surface Transportation Board hearings on April 26-27, entitled “STB Hearing on Urgent Issues in Freight Rail Service.” Regulators, shippers, and railroads gathered for these two days to listen to shippers tell horror stories about how poor rail service had cost them millions of dollars. https://www.rtands.com/freight/class-1/opinion-weve-come-full-circle/?fbclid=IwAR0qECSVDMXhdRxzqK_gheZOYXBMyFcdFUrtj_5V6PWffXTTf8bfg6yP_78 |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 12:25:54 AM EDT
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