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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:41:24 PM EDT
[#1]
Isnt the mil supposed to protect all US embassies though?
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:42:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Biden might as well fuck this up too.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:43:16 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well if we have an embassy open we probably should at least protect it. Maybe the real question is why are we operating an embassy in a active war zone and are special forces the best option. Maybe marines well dug in would be just as effective. 40 billion dollars isn't going to embezzle itself |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:43:22 PM EDT
[#4]
So they will be running secret op’s out of there?
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:48:13 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Throwing high octane on the fire |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:51:34 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This meme was never more appropriate /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/ThatsBait-133.gif When the troops are injured or worse, killed then that will be this administration’s excuse to enter the fight. A Russian attack on them wouldn't even be needed. The attack would likely be made using one of our own black ops agencies wearing Russian gear. They want this that much Think about the 13 that were so easily sacrificed for absolutely no reason. Imagine what they would be willing to "sacrifice" for something this lucrative for the elite (and for the "big guy"). |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:52:38 PM EDT
[#7]
fjb and the warmonger uniparty nwo fucks that control him
FUCK |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:58:38 PM EDT
[#8]
Yeah, I am sure we are just thinking about sending special forces over there.
All these Ukrainians probably just read the user manuals for our weapon systems and started hunting tanks/birds. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:59:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That seems like a waste of resources when Marines do it just fine and traditionally State wouldn't let them shoot anybody anyway. FPNI. There are Marines who do this sort of thing. If it's so dire that you need more specialized troops, perhaps it's too soon to reopen the Embassy. jmho ymmv |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:59:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well if we have an embassy open we probably should at least protect it. Maybe the real question is why are we operating an embassy in a active war zone and are special forces the best option. Maybe marines well dug in would be just as effective. This is the 40 billion dollar question! |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:04:48 PM EDT
[#11]
Fuck it. Bring on Fallout world. Maybe the radiation will make me immortal, minus some skin issues.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:11:27 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it 1963? First trainers.....Then troops.... next thing you know we're in an actual War. I bet we had people there from at least 1945 on. And probably before the war. Ww2 |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:11:52 PM EDT
[#13]
Gonna send they to KEY-EV?
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:14:53 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm not sure of what was that went on in Libya, but they don't want to be accused of not been pro active. But this is how we can start a war. IMHO
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:22:27 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I am sure we are just thinking about sending special forces over there. All these Ukrainians probably just read the user manuals for our weapon systems and started hunting tanks/birds. They have been watching videos on YouTube, or something. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:24:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well if we have an embassy open we probably should at least protect it. Maybe the real question is why are we operating an embassy in a active war zone and are special forces the best option. Maybe marines well dug in would be just as effective. Money laundering operation |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:25:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the 40 billion dollar question! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well if we have an embassy open we probably should at least protect it. Maybe the real question is why are we operating an embassy in a active war zone and are special forces the best option. Maybe marines well dug in would be just as effective. This is the 40 billion dollar question! So far the First Lady, Speaker of the House and various Senators and Representatives have visited Ukraine. I am pretty sure their money laundering scheme and the embassy are secure. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:27:42 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but that’s most every Embassy, so… Exactly |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:29:25 PM EDT
[#19]
Embassy Marines are trained for the defense of US Embassies, but has a Marine guard force ever successfully repulsed an attack on an Embassy?
I cannot think of a case where it happened in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:29:33 PM EDT
[#20]
That Patriot missile battery on the roof ain't gonna operate itself.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:31:14 PM EDT
[#21]
Does it feel like we're being set up too any one else ?
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:32:43 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Marine Embassy Security Group has an expeditionary force for this exact mission My nephew was on one of them expeditionary units |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:39:56 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it feel like we're being set up too any one else ? |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:41:33 PM EDT
[#24]
Not a good idea with Russian rocket and missile logistics…accident waiting to happen.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:42:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it feel like we're being set up too any one else ? You will not think for yourself. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:42:39 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we are protecting embassies? Bengazi remark? Sarcasm |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:43:29 PM EDT
[#27]
Our embassy's already open and the diplomats back in residence, guys, since last week. A bunch of other countries were already back.
The State Department's Diplomatic Security Service is providing a guard force. No mil there (yet). |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:43:54 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This right here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This meme was never more appropriate /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/ThatsBait-133.gif When the troops are injured or worse, killed then that will be this administration's excuse to enter the fight. This right here. Something something Democrats starting wars something something |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:44:00 PM EDT
[#29]
They are already there anyways protecting Zelensky since rhe beggining
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:45:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Special operations guys at the embassy? Do they even know which fork is for salad and which one is for dessert? Do they know a sherry glass from a wine glass? Sounds risky. This. Besides having to know how to kill people and break things Marine embassy guard have to know all sorts of social grace shit. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 4:55:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Embassy Marines are trained for the defense of US Embassies, but has a Marine guard force ever successfully repulsed an attack on an Embassy? I cannot think of a case where it happened in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. There was the big Iranian-backed go at the US embassy in Bagdad a couple of years ago after Salami got deaded where the Marines and contractors held the compound against "peaceful crowds of protestors" armed with RPGs, mortars and AKs. Big thread about it on Arfcom with live commentary from our guys there. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 5:22:53 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Embassy Marines are trained for the defense of US Embassies, but has a Marine guard force ever successfully repulsed an attack on an Embassy? I cannot think of a case where it happened in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. The last time major combat occurred was Vietnam, in the 2004 attack on the consulate in Jeddah, the MSGs strong pointed the facility, while under fire from both terrorist and the DS who locked themselves in and open fired at them when they tried to tie in with them. While not MSGs, Security Force Marines deployed to support DoS in Yemen, they opened fire on attackers coming over the wall including machine gunning three intruders which ended the riot. It was the only embassy during 9-11 2012, that was attacked but not damaged. Most people don’t realize that MSG are assigned to Dept of State under Title 32 and work for the DSS agent in charge of security |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 5:35:23 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bengazi remark? Sarcasm Bengazi wasn’t a Embassy, hence no Marine guards. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 5:36:40 PM EDT
[#34]
See if Russia will accidentally send one of their inaccurate hypersonic missiles
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Posted: 5/22/2022 5:41:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Been saying....this is why i wouldn't want my kids joining....evil assholes sending good men to die for nothing
Theres nothing in our interest for our people to die there |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:09:13 PM EDT
[#36]
Fucking waste of highly trained and skilled men. Marines guard embassies. Team guys do Team stuff. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:12:16 PM EDT
[#37]
I'm sure the Biden administration will give this as much care and consideration as they did the Afghanistan withdrawal. I'd love to see a Commander try to sell this to an SOF group. I imagine a rash of accidental foot shooting.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:28:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Embassy security in dangerous places is usually the RSO, DSS if available for PSD (maybe DSS contractors), Marines for "at the embassy" and local security for the outer perimeter (host government or HN or TCN contractors). Put SOF in there and (1) it's a major Russian propaganda coup (they're there to fight, etc.) and (2) some good idea idiot will try to have them get stuck in and, Bob's your uncle, WWIII. I would think that SOF would be deployed in a HUMINT intelligence reporting role. Perhaps along the lines the model used in Kabul, also working with host nation Intel services. Not for targeting but rather early warning. That's about the only role that I could see SOF performing in that environment….. Unless FJB's puppet masters are planning on US driven kinetics which if that's the case then it would be AFO and OPE mission sets. If that's the situation we're fucked and are going dragged into another mess. Edit: the real question is why are SOF deployments being leaked to the fucking press? Clown world. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:31:46 PM EDT
[#39]
I don't think this Administration has the balls for it.
Biden has no say in it. He just reads the prompter. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:33:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not that spooks and SoF aren't already crawling around Ukraine, but this would give plausible deniability to a certain extent if SoF was known to be deployed to the area to guard US assets. You know....just in case. Seems if you want to keep it black, you keep it far away from the embassy. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:34:00 PM EDT
[#41]
I'm sure the Azov Batt has some missle arty all tuned up for that embassy as plan B.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:43:12 PM EDT
[#42]
Not sure if it still happens.
But at one point part of Delta’s mission was supplementing security for embassies in high risk areas. Basically the places DSS didn’t want to send agents to protect in large numbers. Part of the deal worked out to get them trained in VIP protection from DSS when Delta started out. That may not happen anymore though. Sounds to me like an excuse for why those assets might already be in country though. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:45:43 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Putting SOF in the embassy would place a real focus on it and allow the Russians to accuse us of helping when someone inevitably gets caught going in/out. Seems if you want to keep it black, you keep it far away from the embassy. Without firsthand knowledge of what the ground situation is in the Ukraine I'd assume that the US individuals currently operating there are doing so under the invitation of the host nation and are "Declared" using Dip cover vice using non official cover. Their primary role would be strategic Intel; collection to feed the DCI and NCA. Will they stumble on tactical intel? Of course but that's not what they're hunting for. The ODA's on the other hand are well suited to develop the tactical intel picture, supporting Embassy ops. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:50:08 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An attack on a U.S. embassy is considered an attack on U.S. soil. Opening up one in a war zone when accidents can and do happen could be seen as an attack on the U.S. and invoke article IV. Seems stupid. Have you seen Argo? Okay, it was the Carter administration, and he did roll over like a fat kid on over-inflated pool float, but still... Maybe we learned a lesson from that fiasco, but I doubt it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 6:56:09 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Without firsthand knowledge of what the ground situation is in the Ukraine I'd assume that the US individuals currently operating there are doing so under the invitation of the host nation and are "Declared" using Dip cover vice using non official cover. Their primary role would be strategic Intel; collection to feed the DCI and NCA. Will they stumble on tactical intel? Of course but that's not what they're hunting for. The ODA's on the other hand are well suited to develop the tactical intel picture, supporting Embassy ops. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Putting SOF in the embassy would place a real focus on it and allow the Russians to accuse us of helping when someone inevitably gets caught going in/out. Seems if you want to keep it black, you keep it far away from the embassy. Without firsthand knowledge of what the ground situation is in the Ukraine I'd assume that the US individuals currently operating there are doing so under the invitation of the host nation and are "Declared" using Dip cover vice using non official cover. Their primary role would be strategic Intel; collection to feed the DCI and NCA. Will they stumble on tactical intel? Of course but that's not what they're hunting for. The ODA's on the other hand are well suited to develop the tactical intel picture, supporting Embassy ops. From an outsiders POV what kind of strategic intel would spec ops guys gather at the embassy? They could probably consult on strategic intel from Eglin or Bragg, unless they are planning on going out into the war to take a look for themselves which seems like a potential flashpoint. I can understand the reasons but it just seems that everything the current administration touches turns to shit and this could have broader implications than number of gender reassignment surgeries do. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 7:00:10 PM EDT
[#46]
This sounds like a bad idea to me.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 9:00:34 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they need to be in the embassy in a contested city in a war we need to stay out of to get strategic intel? From an outsiders POV what kind of strategic intel would spec ops guys gather at the embassy? They could probably consult on strategic intel from Eglin or Bragg, unless they are planning on going out into the war to take a look for themselves which seems like a potential flashpoint. I can understand the reasons but it just seems that everything the current administration touches turns to shit and this could have broader implications than number of gender reassignment surgeries do. The strategic intel I was was referencing would be generated by certain units and agencies that have that responsibility. Normally that wouldn't be SOF units, such as SF or SEALs, per se…..it may be SOF individuals but they would be assigned to and working for these other units and agencies. I can 100% guarantee that these folks I'm referring to above have been there operating well before festivities started. Platforms and sigint can certainly provide robust intel and I'm sure the unblinking eye is watching but that being said human intelligence, both from our guys on the ground as well as leveraging foreign national human assets really round out the intel picture. Additionally, to some extent they can also confirm or deny info/intel in almost real time which is vital when you're playing with a nuke capable country being led by a guy that seems to be losing his marbles. Important to note the Ukraine isn't unique in terms of these types of folks working on the ground. It happens all over the world, all the time. Honestly this is just SOP and most capable nations do something similar. So the mention of SOF in the leaked reportr is something different. I believe what they referring to is traditional SF who posses different capabilities and would be filling a different role. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 9:09:45 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That seems like a waste of resources when Marines do it just fine and traditionally State wouldn't let them shoot anybody anyway. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 9:10:49 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we are protecting embassies?  |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 9:14:30 PM EDT
[#50]
Wouldn’t we already have advisors, trainers and intel troops on the ground over there?
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