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Posted: 5/26/2022 6:35:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By www-glock19-com: Spark plugs break windows has been common knowledge for decades Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By www-glock19-com: Originally Posted By TripleC: Interesting.... Not by everyone. It’s only been a few years for me. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 12:31:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/27/2022 1:22:47 PM EDT
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The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 1:58:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Geralt55]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. I don't like EVs I had harsh words for Musk once upon a time I still support him buying Twitter and running it as he would prefer to run it. He's not running for the GOP nomination, if he did this would be something I would be against and would want to see him "Cave" on and "evolve" (as he has on a BUNCH of other issues in just the past few months). HOWEVER, Elon Musk buying twitter is 1000% preferable to the SF Tech oligarchs running it for their buddies and to enhance the reach of their Gospel, and their Psy-Op machine. That's still true. IMHO if he's talking about cutting the deal down 25%, I think he smells them stalling. Putting on a tinfoil hat for a moment, I wonder if the Twitterati really wants to maintain control during what could be a leftie legislative push. They have incentive to drag this out (to hide their wrongdoings amongst other things). One does not have to fantasize about the dimensions and particulars of Elon's junk, to think him purchasing Twitter and running it more fairly is a net positive. 
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Posted: 5/27/2022 3:04:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. They shouldn't have been so surprised. His comments were pretty tame for someone who doesn't know a damn thing about guns. That's why outreach and education is so important. Most of the anti-gun left's bullshit will, to someone who doesn't know or care about guns, sound reasonable enough. Only solution is to get people informed enough to make the  face when they hear about extra regulation for "supersonic weapons".
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Posted: 5/27/2022 3:49:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. I hadn't seen he said that, but I would expect no different. People in the public eye almost always support gun control. Reason being that if you're the one in the spotlight, anyone in the crowd could be your end. And famous people attract the wackos. While Trump may not support such things officially, he probably feels the same way in private. Didn't he previously support such things before he ran for President? I think the real reason for this thread slowing down is because there simply just hasn't been much news on the twitter acquisition. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 10:31:39 PM EDT
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/musk-says-gates-has-multi-billion-dollar-tesla-short-position |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 10:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/musk-says-gates-has-multi-billion-dollar-tesla-short-position Heh. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 10:50:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2022 12:46:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. That's all |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 1:52:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: I don't need Elon to be a supporter of gun rights. I need him to buy Twitter and not be able to ban me for supporting gun rights or manipulate trends make it look like gun laws are more popular than they really are . That's all Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: Originally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. That's all Exactly. All or nothing is what loses ground when it comes to stuff like this. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 8:10:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Exactly. All or nothing is what loses ground when it comes to stuff like this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By victorgonzales: Originally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. That's all Exactly. All or nothing is what loses ground when it comes to stuff like this. Its why our side consistently loses. They insist upon "perfect" candidates, and "perfect" agreement with doctrine. So nobody is ever good enough to vote for. Meanwhile, the Dems incrementally inch forward because they take little nibbles of our freedom and nobody puts up a good fight. They have new laws crafted and ready to go, and when they engineer the right crisis/incident whammo, out comes the "solution" to a problem they created, and people fall all over themselves agreeing to it. All you have to do is ask yourself "does voting for this person increase freedom, even if only a little bit?". If so, vote for them, if not, don't. Its not hard. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 8:45:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: I don't need Elon to be a supporter of gun rights. I need him to buy Twitter and not be able to ban me for supporting gun rights or manipulate trends make it look like gun laws are more popular than they really are . That's all Yup, to paraphrase our enemies, no enemies on the right. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 8:55:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: I don't need Elon to be a supporter of gun rights. I need him to buy Twitter and not be able to ban me for supporting gun rights or manipulate trends make it look like gun laws are more popular than they really are . That's all This |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 8:58:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Exactly. All or nothing is what loses ground when it comes to stuff like this. Some people are blind. You can’t make them understand. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 9:03:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billclo: Its why our side consistently loses. They insist upon "perfect" candidates, and "perfect" agreement with doctrine. So nobody is ever good enough to vote for. Meanwhile, the Dems incrementally inch forward because they take little nibbles of our freedom and nobody puts up a good fight. They have new laws crafted and ready to go, and when they engineer the right crisis/incident whammo, out comes the "solution" to a problem they created, and people fall all over themselves agreeing to it. All you have to do is ask yourself "does voting for this person increase freedom, even if only a little bit?". If so, vote for them, if not, don't. It's not hard. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billclo: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By victorgonzales: Originally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. That's all Exactly. All or nothing is what loses ground when it comes to stuff like this. Its why our side consistently loses. They insist upon "perfect" candidates, and "perfect" agreement with doctrine. So nobody is ever good enough to vote for. Meanwhile, the Dems incrementally inch forward because they take little nibbles of our freedom and nobody puts up a good fight. They have new laws crafted and ready to go, and when they engineer the right crisis/incident whammo, out comes the "solution" to a problem they created, and people fall all over themselves agreeing to it. All you have to do is ask yourself "does voting for this person increase freedom, even if only a little bit?". If so, vote for them, if not, don't. It's not hard. We're losing because we aren't willing to play dirty, lie, and cheat... for starters. We're also losing because good men in positions of capability are doing NOTHING. We're losing because we're letting child-like minds and the corrupt establish the narrative and we aren't willing to take the fight to them by organizing and going on the offense. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 9:15:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JuanPing]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HELOBRAVO: Some people are blind. You can't make them understand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HELOBRAVO: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Exactly. All or nothing is what loses ground when it comes to stuff like this. Some people are blind. You can't make them understand. Meanwhile the other side has their platform that never waivers and all that we get is a slow slide to their position because we have said that "good enough" is our gold standard for politicians and we just need to do enough to keep the slide at a slow pace. But yeah, I'm the blind one. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 9:16:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: I don't need Elon to be a supporter of gun rights. I need him to buy Twitter and not be able to ban me for supporting gun rights or manipulate trends make it look like gun laws are more popular than they really are . That's all Yep, we all need to support the removal of the left's information operation tool that acts as an agent of the state. That does not mean we need to hitch our wagons to EV's and gun control. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 9:30:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/musk-says-gates-has-multi-billion-dollar-tesla-short-position Isn't TSLA something like 40% off all time highs? If one needs money to close out a position, it's a losing position, and in this case one which was a much much bigger loss not very long ago. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 9:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: I don't need Elon to be a supporter of gun rights. I need him to buy Twitter and not be able to ban me for supporting gun rights or manipulate trends make it look like gun laws are more popular than they really are . That's all Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: Originally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. That's all This. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 2:24:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: We're losing because we aren't willing to play dirty, lie, and cheat... for starters. We're also losing because good men in positions of capability are doing NOTHING. We're losing because we're letting child-like minds and the corrupt establish the narrative and we aren't willing to take the fight to them by organizing and going on the offense. They aren’t good men if they are in positions of capability and doing nothing. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 3:52:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tree-hugger]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chadjetlag: They aren’t good men if they are in positions of capability and doing nothing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chadjetlag: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: We're losing because we aren't willing to play dirty, lie, and cheat... for starters. We're also losing because good men in positions of capability are doing NOTHING. We're losing because we're letting child-like minds and the corrupt establish the narrative and we aren't willing to take the fight to them by organizing and going on the offense. They aren’t good men if they are in positions of capability and doing nothing. No argument there, my Man!!! None. Now. If our Military and Police have a front-row seat to what’s going on, and they’re doing nothing… ETA: EVERYONE in .gov has a front-row seat. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 3:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: The Musk nut-garglers got pretty quiet in this thread after he stated he supports "common sense gun control", i.e. a near total ban on AR's. Bullshit. If you really believe that you have to hate everyone that has a disagreement then you will find the world a lonely place. |
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Posted: 5/29/2022 12:59:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Timeflies: Bullshit. If you really believe that you have to hate everyone that has a disagreement then you will find the world a lonely place. |
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Posted: 5/29/2022 8:11:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: Why wouldn't I believe it? He literally said it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: Originally Posted By Timeflies: Bullshit. If you really believe that you have to hate everyone that has a disagreement then you will find the world a lonely place. Respectfully, I don't think you're correctly reading Timeflies' post. He's saying (if you really believe) (that you have to hate everyone...) |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 12:59:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2022 1:52:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Elon’s posts no long show in my feed and I have to set the most recent as he suggested. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 2:00:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Elon’s posts no long show in my feed and I have to set the most recent as he suggested. Awhile ago I said that the way things are going that people either have to take the red pill. Or rip their own eyes out. Why do I get the feeling that is going to become less metaphorical in the future? 
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Posted: 6/2/2022 2:03:40 PM EDT
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Andrew Torba is 100% right in the need to build parallel tech and a parallel economy.
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Posted: 6/2/2022 2:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
I think the Twitter folks are trying to drag this out because they need their platform in order to push policy things like the gun stuff right now. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 2:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geralt55: I think the Twitter folks are trying to drag this out because they need their platform in order to push policy things like the gun stuff right now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By RSG:
I think the Twitter folks are trying to drag this out because they need their platform in order to push policy things like the gun stuff right now. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 4:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Elon pretty much agrees with them, so I doubt that is the driving force. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By RSG:
I think the Twitter folks are trying to drag this out because they need their platform in order to push policy things like the gun stuff right now. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 4:12:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: Regardless of his position, Elon wants there to be open discussion about controversial topics. Open discussion would help our side, which is why Twitter suppresses it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By RSG:
I think the Twitter folks are trying to drag this out because they need their platform in order to push policy things like the gun stuff right now. This. Regardless of the musk haters and attempt to distract and divide, Elon taking over Twitter will become one of the biggest wins for free speech in decades. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 4:22:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bohr_Adam]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: Regardless of his position, Elon wants there to be open discussion about controversial topics. Open discussion would help our side, which is why Twitter suppresses it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By RSG:
I think the Twitter folks are trying to drag this out because they need their platform in order to push policy things like the gun stuff right now. This. There's a world of difference between agreeing with a stance and agreeing that bots and manipulative algorithms should be used to suppress dissent and advance an agenda. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 4:25:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohr_Adam: This. There's a world of difference between agreeing with a stance and agreeing that bots and manipulative algorithms should be used to suppress dissent and advance an agenda. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 4:31:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: This. Regardless of the musk haters and attempt to distract and divide, Elon taking over Twitter will become one of the biggest wins for free speech in decades. Probably the biggest win for free speech since the mid-90s when the liberals shut down the religious conservatives in their desire to rid the internet of porn. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 5:18:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By transplanted: Probably the biggest win for free speech since the mid-90s when the liberals shut down the religious conservatives in their desire to rid the internet of porn. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By transplanted: Originally Posted By spidey07: This. Regardless of the musk haters and attempt to distract and divide, Elon taking over Twitter will become one of the biggest wins for free speech in decades. Probably the biggest win for free speech since the mid-90s when the liberals shut down the religious conservatives in their desire to rid the internet of porn. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 5:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: This. Regardless of the musk haters and attempt to distract and divide, Elon taking over Twitter will become one of the biggest wins for free speech in decades. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: This. Regardless of the musk haters and attempt to distract and divide, Elon taking over Twitter will become one of the biggest wins for free speech in decades. Originally Posted By transplanted: Probably the biggest win for free speech since the mid-90s when the liberals shut down the religious conservatives in their desire to rid the internet of porn. Originally Posted By Theodoric: There is no "win" yet. He doesn't own anything but a big chunk of shares. lol reading is hard "Elon taking over Twitter will become one" |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 6:26:42 PM EDT
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 He's not called "Elon the Con" for nothing. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 6:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By transplanted: lol reading is hard "Elon taking over Twitter will become one" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By transplanted: Originally Posted By spidey07: This. Regardless of the musk haters and attempt to distract and divide, Elon taking over Twitter will become one of the biggest wins for free speech in decades. Originally Posted By transplanted: Probably the biggest win for free speech since the mid-90s when the liberals shut down the religious conservatives in their desire to rid the internet of porn. Originally Posted By Theodoric: There is no "win" yet. He doesn't own anything but a big chunk of shares. lol reading is hard "Elon taking over Twitter will become one" |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 7:10:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: There is no "win" yet. He doesn't own anything but a big chunk of shares. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By transplanted: Originally Posted By spidey07: This. Regardless of the musk haters and attempt to distract and divide, Elon taking over Twitter will become one of the biggest wins for free speech in decades. Probably the biggest win for free speech since the mid-90s when the liberals shut down the religious conservatives in their desire to rid the internet of porn. Wow. You have so not been paying attention. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 7:20:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: spidey07]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Well, when and if he does, we can toot his horn. Until then, he has thoroughly pissed me off with his gun rhetoric. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By transplanted: Originally Posted By spidey07: This. Regardless of the musk haters and attempt to distract and divide, Elon taking over Twitter will become one of the biggest wins for free speech in decades. Originally Posted By transplanted: Probably the biggest win for free speech since the mid-90s when the liberals shut down the religious conservatives in their desire to rid the internet of porn. Originally Posted By Theodoric: There is no "win" yet. He doesn't own anything but a big chunk of shares. lol reading is hard "Elon taking over Twitter will become one" You chopped your nose off, but hey you saved your face. But you still have no nose Look at the table at your nose you chopped off, with your own blade. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 7:21:29 PM EDT
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in on 69?
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Posted: 6/2/2022 7:36:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Theodoric]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: You chopped your nose off, but hey you saved your face. But you still have no nose Look at the table at your nose you chopped off, with your own blade. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 7:43:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: No, I don't think I did. He's right on the one issue of Twitter and he's a phenomenal visionary when it comes to space, and most of his other corporate endeavors. I don't trust him on policy issues when it comes to the constitution, or freedom in general. At best, he is a 1990s Democrat pragmatist, and he's admitted as much. That doesn't make him a friend, and it certainly doesn't make him a savior. If he buys Twitter and follows through with what he said, I'll be happy about it. Until then, I'm a skeptic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By spidey07: You chopped your nose off, but hey you saved your face. But you still have no nose Look at the table at your nose you chopped off, with your own blade. He’s no savior, he’s just a man. But for me, on this single issue, he is a friend of liberty and being able to speak freely without censorship on one of the primary “public square” internet platforms that exist. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 7:48:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: He's no savior, he's just a man. But for me, on this single issue, he is a friend of liberty and being able to speak freely without censorship on one of the primary "public square" internet platforms that exist. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 7:55:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/398889/Image-153031-2405249.jpg He's not called "Elon the Con" for nothing. Weird. I have been involved in many Musk/Tesla/SpaceX threads over the years. Some stretching of for dozens of pages. Even with my dislike of his role in many taxpayer funded projects I have never seen, nor used this pejorative. Was this on todays talking point list? 
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Posted: 6/2/2022 7:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Well, when and if he does, we can toot his horn. Until then, he has thoroughly pissed me off with his gun rhetoric. Yup, he should know better. Likely he has family in South Africa who fear daily due to their ever tightening gun restriction/laws. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:13:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JuanPing: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/398889/Image-153031-2405249.jpg He's not called "Elon the Con" for nothing. You realize those two tweets don’t necessarily contradict one another right? |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:29:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Photosarv: You realize those two tweets don't necessarily contradict one another right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Photosarv: Originally Posted By JuanPing: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/398889/Image-153031-2405249.jpg He's not called "Elon the Con" for nothing. You realize those two tweets don't necessarily contradict one another right?  |
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