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Posted: 4/4/2022 9:51:07 AM EDT
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This is exciting and a tag
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Posted: 4/4/2022 9:51:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bayrunner83: I don’t believe Musk is a conservative/Republican but I do think that he believes in free speech and the free markets, and he has shown that he does in his actions. Maybe he is a sort of classical liberal/libertarian. This could get interesting.  I think he believes in the core principles of the constitution. he's probably more libertarian than anything. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 9:51:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryM: Very interesting. I wonder what he has planned. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 9:54:30 AM EDT
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-elon-musk-becomes-twitters-largest-shareholder-after-shakeup-tease
  
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Posted: 4/4/2022 9:55:53 AM EDT
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I don't fully trust him, but I have known some South Africans. Their opinions on 'wokeness' and where it takes a country are based on personal experience and close observation of friends and relatives back in the country. Kind of like Eastern Europeans and their lack of enthusiasm for communism.
I would call this welcome news. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 9:57:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKVooDoo: I disagree. Musk appears to have taken the rights as laid out in the Bill of Rights to heart. He has grasped the American Dream and is doing what he thinks he needs to to preserve them. I applaud this African American immigrant. This is where I’m at. I really don’t understand the Musk hate. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 9:58:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guyina4x4: $3 billion for 9% I wouldn't give $3 for 100% Dumbass Yes, compared to you, Elon Musk is a dumbass. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2022 9:59:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guyina4x4: $3 billion for 9% I wouldn't give $3 for 100% Dumbass lol, that's why you're not Musk. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:00:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: This is where I’m at. I really don’t understand the Musk hate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo: I disagree. Musk appears to have taken the rights as laid out in the Bill of Rights to heart. He has grasped the American Dream and is doing what he thinks he needs to to preserve them. I applaud this African American immigrant. This is where I’m at. I really don’t understand the Musk hate. I was/am an EV-skeptic who has harsh words for the tech as it currently sits As time has gone on I've bought in on Elon the man. We should all thank God that with his money and brains he isn't another Dr.Evil like Bezos is. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:02:26 AM EDT
[#10]
Take the loss and shut that shitty bird cage down !
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:09:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geralt55: I was/am an EV-skeptic who has harsh words for the tech as it currently sits As time has gone on I've bought in on Elon the man. We should all thank God that with his money and brains he isn't another Dr.Evil like Bezos is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By Synchronized: Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo: I disagree. Musk appears to have taken the rights as laid out in the Bill of Rights to heart. He has grasped the American Dream and is doing what he thinks he needs to to preserve them. I applaud this African American immigrant. This is where I’m at. I really don’t understand the Musk hate. I was/am an EV-skeptic who has harsh words for the tech as it currently sits As time has gone on I've bought in on Elon the man. We should all thank God that with his money and brains he isn't another Dr.Evil like Bezos is. Yeah, I’m not rushing out to buy an EV. But the guy is doing cool stuff with the tech. I’ve always said if you’re going to make an EV at least take advantage of what electric motors are capable of and make it have awesome acceleration. He’s doing that. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:10:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Iguana775: I think he believes in the core principles of the constitution. he's probably more libertarian than anything. You are correct. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:11:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15Texan: His choice in women and seven kids Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15Texan: Originally Posted By OTHP: He has fuck you money and says fuck you to a lot of things that piss him off or he sees as wrong. Still don't trust him due to past things said but even with some of his past statements his actions seem solid. Then again I don't follow him like a rock star so I have no idea what his real agenda is. His choice in women and seven kids His women are pretty  but nothing wrong with having a lot of kids.
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:12:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKVooDoo: I didn't say Trump... I said Trump Inc. The company ran by Eric and Ivanka... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKVooDoo: Originally Posted By David0858: Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo: Originally Posted By mucknuggle: Originally Posted By JarheadPatriot: A passive stake .. doesn't sound like he can do anything. It makes him a huge threat in any potential proxy fight. Also he has massive influence and could probably get a lot of shares on his side in a proxy fight of his own. And it may be the first step to a takeover. I think you need 35% or so to really have control or at least major influence of a board. In a publicly traded company it isn't as simple as 51%, if nobody has 51%. Now Trump Inc. Just needs to buy a billion worth. Watch heads explode. Trump needs to stay out of it. Musk can go in as a non partisan third party whereas Trump jumping in would just throw sand in the gears of Twitter reform. I didn't say Trump... I said Trump Inc. The company ran by Eric and Ivanka... Ivanka is WEF so I wouldn’t count on her supporting much that is good |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:13:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bayrunner83: I don’t believe Musk is a conservative/Republican but I do think that he believes in free speech and the free markets, and he has shown that he does in his actions. Maybe he is a sort of classical liberal/libertarian. This could get interesting. I think his ideology is built around his vision of the future and his politics are likely a means to that end. His shift towards classic liberalism and libertarianism probably has a lot to do with him coming to the conclusion that a democratic socialist country will never achieve the high technology massive scale industrialization required to put humans on Mars. I think he comes by that honestly after watching the socialists constantly trying to throw road blocks in front of him. California trying to shut Tesla down during the pandemic. Environmental nutjobs trying to stop Starbase. The FAA dragging their feet on Starship launch approval. If you are a guy who thinks deep down that he's doing the right thing and government is constantly trying to make your progress difficult, that's going to affect your view of government pretty significantly. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:13:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: This is where I’m at. I really don’t understand the Musk hate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo: I disagree. Musk appears to have taken the rights as laid out in the Bill of Rights to heart. He has grasped the American Dream and is doing what he thinks he needs to to preserve them. I applaud this African American immigrant. This is where I’m at. I really don’t understand the Musk hate. Musk hate here is jealousy. He is more conservative that many here. He would make for a good POTUS but isn’t eligible. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:15:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:15:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: I think his ideology is built around his vision of the future and his politics are likely a means to that end. His shift towards classic liberalism and libertarianism probably has a lot to do with him coming to the conclusion that a democratic socialist country will never achieve the high technology massive scale industrialization required to put humans on Mars. I think he comes by that honestly after watching the socialists constantly trying to throw road blocks in front of him. California trying to shut Tesla down during the pandemic. Environmental nutjobs trying to stop Starbase. The FAA dragging their feet on Starship launch approval. If you are a guy who thinks deep down that he's doing the right thing and government is constantly trying to make your progress difficult, that's going to affect your view of government pretty significantly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Originally Posted By Bayrunner83: I don’t believe Musk is a conservative/Republican but I do think that he believes in free speech and the free markets, and he has shown that he does in his actions. Maybe he is a sort of classical liberal/libertarian. This could get interesting. I think his ideology is built around his vision of the future and his politics are likely a means to that end. His shift towards classic liberalism and libertarianism probably has a lot to do with him coming to the conclusion that a democratic socialist country will never achieve the high technology massive scale industrialization required to put humans on Mars. I think he comes by that honestly after watching the socialists constantly trying to throw road blocks in front of him. California trying to shut Tesla down during the pandemic. Environmental nutjobs trying to stop Starbase. The FAA dragging their feet on Starship launch approval. If you are a guy who thinks deep down that he's doing the right thing and government is constantly trying to make your progress difficult, that's going to affect your view of government pretty significantly. Men like Musk do not think like the rest of us |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:16:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKVooDoo: I disagree. Musk appears to have taken the rights as laid out in the Bill of Rights to heart. He has grasped the American Dream and is doing what he thinks he needs to to preserve them. I applaud this African American immigrant. I wonder why more politicians don't recognize him as African American. They seem racist by not recognizing his heritage |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:18:11 AM EDT
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Step 1: Buy $3 billion Twitter stock
Step 2: Announce the "Tesla Cybervan" #eVanLife Step 3: Collect $6 billion Cybervan preorders Step 4: Never actually release a van Step 5: Laugh |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:24:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geralt55: We should all thank God that with his money and brains he isn't another Dr.Evil like Bezos is. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:25:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryM: Very interesting. I wonder what he has planned. I don't know, but as it is right now it feels a lot like... Someone is saying.  Stargate (10/12) Movie CLIP - Give My Regards to King Tut (1994) HD 
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:28:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: I think his ideology is built around his vision of the future and his politics are likely a means to that end. His shift towards classic liberalism and libertarianism probably has a lot to do with him coming to the conclusion that a democratic socialist country will never achieve the high technology massive scale industrialization required to put humans on Mars. I think he comes by that honestly after watching the socialists constantly trying to throw road blocks in front of him. California trying to shut Tesla down during the pandemic. Environmental nutjobs trying to stop Starbase. The FAA dragging their feet on Starship launch approval. If you are a guy who thinks deep down that he's doing the right thing and government is constantly trying to make your progress difficult, that's going to affect your view of government pretty significantly. There's a lot of truth to that. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. The left has tried to mug, beat, curb stomp, and generally ruin Musk's dream. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:29:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKVooDoo: I disagree. Musk appears to have taken the rights as laid out in the Bill of Rights to heart. He has grasped the American Dream and is doing what he thinks he needs to to preserve them. I applaud this African American immigrant. Another foreign pirate Be careful for what he is He has much more to prove what he could be. But that is not a U.S. Patriot............... |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:30:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JarheadPatriot: A passive stake .. doesn't sound like he can do anything. YET |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:31:45 AM EDT
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I really like Musk, and am cautiously optimistic about what he can do here. My only concern is he has some REAL power and is getting more and more to the point we really need him not to turn out to be a Dr. Evil type person. Think about it, he has control over SpaceX, which means he can get shit into space better than anyone right now. He has StarLink, which is changing the game in internet services for many consumers. He now has a substantial stake is a top media company. All on top of a staggering net worth and Tesla. That is a lot of power.
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:33:20 AM EDT
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Out of all the Bond villain billionaires, he is my absolute favorite.
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:34:23 AM EDT
[#28]
RIP TruthSocial
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:35:16 AM EDT
[#29]
Unlock Trump.
Watch your investment go to the moon. Profit. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:36:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: His women are pretty but nothing wrong with having a lot of kids.Well he's autistic. Look at Deej's wife for example. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:37:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JarheadPatriot: A passive stake .. doesn't sound like he can do anything. Isn't there some kind of "first step" logic involved in things like this? 
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:37:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: 9.2% is a lot of voting rights. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: Originally Posted By JarheadPatriot: A passive stake .. doesn't sound like he can do anything. 9.2% is a lot of voting rights. no shit....I bet he can't wait until proxies come out for board members 
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:37:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZW17: Unlock Trump. Watch your investment go to the moon. Profit. No shit. 
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:37:53 AM EDT
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1/4 of Tesla’s profits are from selling carbon credits to other auto makers. Carbon credits are a bullshit financial market invented by politicians to extract more money out of the economy. He hasn’t been kicking back 10% to the political class so they’re pissed off at him. All that said I’m glad he believes in free speech and is a force for positive change.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-disclosed-government-credits-profit-only-after-the-SEC-mandated-it-new-documents-show.609779.0.html |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:39:08 AM EDT
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no idea what he's planning, but I hope he fucks them over. I know he's more leftist than me, but he's less leftist than them.
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:43:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inquisitive_Spaniard: Well he's autistic. Look at Deej's wife for example. If it's all the same to you, I'd rather not. 
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:43:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: Yeah, I’m not rushing out to buy an EV. But the guy is doing cool stuff with the tech. I’ve always said if you’re going to make an EV at least take advantage of what electric motors are capable of and make it have awesome acceleration. He’s doing that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Synchronized: Originally Posted By Geralt55: Originally Posted By Synchronized: Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo: I disagree. Musk appears to have taken the rights as laid out in the Bill of Rights to heart. He has grasped the American Dream and is doing what he thinks he needs to to preserve them. I applaud this African American immigrant. This is where I’m at. I really don’t understand the Musk hate. I was/am an EV-skeptic who has harsh words for the tech as it currently sits As time has gone on I've bought in on Elon the man. We should all thank God that with his money and brains he isn't another Dr.Evil like Bezos is. Yeah, I’m not rushing out to buy an EV. But the guy is doing cool stuff with the tech. I’ve always said if you’re going to make an EV at least take advantage of what electric motors are capable of and make it have awesome acceleration. He’s doing that. It's easier/plausible to understand the business drive if you consider all of it as "How do we survive once we get humans to Mars?" The Boring Company, Tesla, SolarLink, SpaceX, and Neuralink. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:44:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRocketmac: It's easier/plausible to understand the business drive if you consider all of it as "How do we survive once we get humans to Mars?" The Boring Company, Tesla, SolarLink, SpaceX, and Neuralink. And we'll be paying with DogeCoin |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:48:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:53:00 AM EDT
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I have to wonder, when elon gets someone or himself on the board, will that then give him access to internal information?
He can then see what's going on behind the scense and expose the BS woke shit |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 10:55:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TT4life: I really like Musk, and am cautiously optimistic about what he can do here. My only concern is he has some REAL power and is getting more and more to the point we really need him not to turn out to be a Dr. Evil type person. Think about it, he has control over SpaceX, which means he can get shit into space better than anyone right now. He has StarLink, which is changing the game in internet services for many consumers. He now has a substantial stake is a top media company. All on top of a staggering net worth and Tesla. That is a lot of power. So I've got a theory going that large concentrations of wealth are necessary for radical innovation. In the absence of large concentrations of wealth with individuals you'd only have Public Mega Corporations and a Governments driving innovation both of which are very slow to turn the ship due to their bureaucratic structure and dispersion of responsibility. Public Mega Corps that are widely held and run by a board of directors rather than at the direction of a single majority or near majority shareholder don't make big bets on wild ideas that have a high probability of failure but that's EXACTLY what you need if you want to see radical ideas like Starship come to fruition. I don't even have to explain how Governments are poor drivers of innovation except when dictated by necessity (like War) to get everyone moving in the same direction. The Starship vs. SLS comparison is probably the best one you will ever get in terms of what a brilliant man with billions of dollars will build compared to what a government agency will build. And I'm rooting for SLS all the way but it's not a transformational piece of hardware that changes the economics of space and takes us to the next level. It's an impressive piece of hardware for an ultra expensive science / prestige mission NOT a future backbone of the space economy. The Starship, if it succeeds, will be like the Mack Truck of space for decades. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:00:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guyina4x4: $3 billion for 9% I wouldn't give $3 for 100% Dumbass That’s because You don’t have two nickels to rub together. Unironically, it’s also why you’ll stay poor. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:03:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lvcipriani: 1/4 of Tesla’s profits are from selling carbon credits to other auto makers. Carbon credits are a bullshit financial market invented by politicians to extract more money out of the economy. He hasn’t been kicking back 10% to the political class so they’re pissed off at him. All that said I’m glad he believes in free speech and is a force for positive change. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-disclosed-government-credits-profit-only-after-the-SEC-mandated-it-new-documents-show.609779.0.html Airplanes and computers were govt started programs until the free market spot for them. Not to count pretty much every industrial company in the US was given a blank check during WW2 and a competition less world for 15 years following WW2. Tesla is dragging the USA into making the best cars again along with making the USA #1 in rocketry again. people love to drag him. There is no part of the Worlds car manufacturers that are free from govt help or subsidy. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:05:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PN5X5: And we'll be paying with DogeCoin Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PN5X5: Originally Posted By TheRocketmac: It's easier/plausible to understand the business drive if you consider all of it as "How do we survive once we get humans to Mars?" The Boring Company, Tesla, SolarLink, SpaceX, and Neuralink. And we'll be paying with DogeCoin Makes sense now. Makes more sense when the US$ inflates away to Zimbabwe $ levels of value. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:07:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: His women are pretty but nothing wrong with having a lot of kids.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By AR15Texan: Originally Posted By OTHP: He has fuck you money and says fuck you to a lot of things that piss him off or he sees as wrong. Still don't trust him due to past things said but even with some of his past statements his actions seem solid. Then again I don't follow him like a rock star so I have no idea what his real agenda is. His choice in women and seven kids His women are pretty but nothing wrong with having a lot of kids.He’s very pragmatic. I wouldn't be surprised if he bred 1000 kids, just to insure that he had a couple successful progeny to carry on his dream. Having a lot of children, is what Any successful biological creature should be doing. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:08:07 AM EDT
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What as a couple of decent board members ever done for the NRA. Twitter is top down liberal. Even if he was the majority owner he would have difficulty changing the corporate culture.
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:11:03 AM EDT
[#47]
Whelp, bought back into some Twitter stock...
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:11:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: no shit....I bet he can't wait until proxies come out for board members Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: Originally Posted By JarheadPatriot: A passive stake .. doesn't sound like he can do anything. 9.2% is a lot of voting rights. no shit....I bet he can't wait until proxies come out for board members I read somewhere that the reason the 9.2% is a common number is that it keeps it under some SEC bullshit/shenanigans ? |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:11:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: I think his ideology is built around his vision of the future and his politics are likely a means to that end. His shift towards classic liberalism and libertarianism probably has a lot to do with him coming to the conclusion that a democratic socialist country will never achieve the high technology massive scale industrialization required to put humans on Mars. I think he comes by that honestly after watching the socialists constantly trying to throw road blocks in front of him. California trying to shut Tesla down during the pandemic. Environmental nutjobs trying to stop Starbase. The FAA dragging their feet on Starship launch approval. If you are a guy who thinks deep down that he's doing the right thing and government is constantly trying to make your progress difficult, that's going to affect your view of government pretty significantly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Originally Posted By Bayrunner83: I don’t believe Musk is a conservative/Republican but I do think that he believes in free speech and the free markets, and he has shown that he does in his actions. Maybe he is a sort of classical liberal/libertarian. This could get interesting. I think his ideology is built around his vision of the future and his politics are likely a means to that end. His shift towards classic liberalism and libertarianism probably has a lot to do with him coming to the conclusion that a democratic socialist country will never achieve the high technology massive scale industrialization required to put humans on Mars. I think he comes by that honestly after watching the socialists constantly trying to throw road blocks in front of him. California trying to shut Tesla down during the pandemic. Environmental nutjobs trying to stop Starbase. The FAA dragging their feet on Starship launch approval. If you are a guy who thinks deep down that he's doing the right thing and government is constantly trying to make your progress difficult, that's going to affect your view of government pretty significantly. Sure, but he may also be looking to gain political power as a cudgel to get the governmental approvals you mentioned. Very smart. |
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Posted: 4/4/2022 11:15:11 AM EDT
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kuvutia
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