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Posted: 1/24/2022 11:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Modern day Russia isn’t Reagan Cold War “red scare” The us is probably closer to communism than russia is right now. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 11:48:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit wouldn’t have happened under MAGA. MAGA had red Chinese economy on the ropes. They wouldn’t have tested him. Pres jerk off McFeeble is inviting Putin to get it on. I agree, but the armed forces don't answer to Trump. They answer to Joe "The Big Guy" Biden. Though I'm sure they would have tested Trump, just in different and likely less brazen ways. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 11:48:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we should pull all of our shit out of the rest of the world. Fortify the fuck out of our defenses. Build an economy around our own production and resources and mind our own fucking business. With our nuke supply nobody will ever invade or attack us. We just need to be more self sufficient.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 11:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we should pull all of our shit out of the rest of the world. Fortify the fuck out of our defenses. Build an economy around our own production and resources and mind our own fucking business. With our nuke supply nobody will ever invade or attack us. We just need to be more self sufficient. Here is the problem with that mentality. Enemies will just pay off our politicians to surrender. But if we keep our hands in many different places, the foreign governments pay off our politicians to do stuff for them. It's better to keep the world paying off our politicians so they dont sell us out too fast because of competing governments. I mean they are selling us out already, but at least we can have a chance with a distributed military force instead of concentrated in the USA. The best case scenario is that Washington DC falls to a stray nuke from a regional conflict with another nuke player playing the other side. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:01:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Modern day Russia isn’t Reagan Cold War “red scare” Granted. But if we let Russia roll through Ukraine, our NATO Allies in Eastern Europe are next. Then what? |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:05:54 AM EDT
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Nuke the Moon, that'll keep them on their toes.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:06:48 AM EDT
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We should help Ukraine form a foreign legion by sending every fighting aged male crossing our border illegally on a flight to Kyiv as a conscript for the Ukrainian military where they can earn Ukrainian citizenship defending Ukraine's borders.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:07:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Granted. But if we let Russia roll through Ukraine, our NATO Allies in Eastern Europe are next. Then what? Quote HistoryQuoted: Granted. But if we let Russia roll through Ukraine, our NATO Allies in Eastern Europe are next. Then what? It's more than that. This article points out that we apparently never intended to honor the agreement but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the Ukrainians thought differently or we wouldn't be talking about it today. Not that we have much credibility left, but this is going to call into question anything we say under this admin or the next. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/mar/23/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-wrongly-says-ukraine-gave-nukes-due-ameri/ "State Department lawyers thus took careful interest in the actual language, in order to keep the commitments of a political nature," Pifer wrote. "U.S. officials also continually used the term ‘assurances’ instead of ‘guarantees,’ as the latter implied a deeper, even legally-binding commitment of the kind that the United States extended to its NATO allies." |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:12:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We hate communists, right? Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists? Russia is less communist than the US at this point. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:14:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Granted. But if we let Russia roll through Ukraine, our NATO Allies in Eastern Europe are next. Then what? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Modern day Russia isn’t Reagan Cold War “red scare” Granted. But if we let Russia roll through Ukraine, our NATO Allies in Eastern Europe are next. Then what? We are not allied with Ukraine. Why do the DNC shills have a hardon for war with Russia? |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:17:32 AM EDT
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Europe should build some nuclear reactors and boycott Russian Gas. We should embargo all things Russian as should the Europeans and anyone in the UN who has any backbone. But we should not fight. Any energy embargo will have dramatic impact on Russian if everyone stands by it. Of course China wont.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:19:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are not allied with Ukraine. Why do the DNC shills have a hardon for war with Russia? The hypothetical is that if we concede Ukraine, the nations that we are allied with are next. We’ve also make a fuck ton of promises to Ukraine about their security going back to the 1990s. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:21:57 AM EDT
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Spend a decade or two accomplishing nothing, waste billions of dollars we don't have, get 1000's of people killed and wounded, make defense contractors and politicians richer, than pull out and come home. Pretty much what we are good at.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:22:01 AM EDT
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Cut off all trade with the Western world. No gas, no oil, no nothing.
The Russian economy is actually smaller than Italy's and 50% of it is oil and gas. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:22:51 AM EDT
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We should have respected the fact that Russia don't want a hostile state on her border. Now, because of inept politicians and defense contractors it's become a "thing". Tell NATO to go fuck themselves...we like Asia better.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:23:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The hypothetical is that if we concede Ukraine, the nations that we are allied with are next. We’ve also make a fuck ton of promises to Ukraine about their security going back to the 1990s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We are not allied with Ukraine. Why do the DNC shills have a hardon for war with Russia? The hypothetical is that if we concede Ukraine, the nations that we are allied with are next. We’ve also make a fuck ton of promises to Ukraine about their security going back to the 1990s. We promised to not attack them. That’s it. We never promised to come to their defense. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:24:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we should pull all of our shit out of the rest of the world. Fortify the fuck out of our defenses. Build an economy around our own production and resources and mind our own fucking business. With our nuke supply nobody will ever invade or attack us. We just need to be more self sufficient. I could support this plan. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:24:55 AM EDT
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As long as they don’t fuck with our loyal Allies..support from afar !
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:26:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We hate communists, right? Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists? Hate communists? I bet you're holding a Chinese dick in your hand right now...I mean smart phone. We don't hate communists. We love them, we bend the knee to them, and we sell them the heartland and the Empire State building and everything else. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:27:33 AM EDT
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Un plug the oil and gas line running from the Caspian.
Open US NG productions. Sell to the EU, and fuck Putin. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:28:11 AM EDT
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Sell weapons to Europe to protect themselves from Russia
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:29:10 AM EDT
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Lend lease act
We lease Ukraine a handful of tactical nukes. If any get used, we get leased Crimea. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:29:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The hypothetical is that if we concede Ukraine, the nations that we are allied with are next. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We are not allied with Ukraine. Why do the DNC shills have a hardon for war with Russia? The hypothetical is that if we concede Ukraine, the nations that we are allied with are next. So you think the 3rd Shock Army is going to storm the Fulda Gap? Unless we pull a Chamberlain backstab on Ukraine, Ukraine by itself can give Russia a bloody nose. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:29:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fund and supply Ukraine ... Yes, please. Take more of my money away in taxes to give to the Obama installed regime. Fuck right off with that shit. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:31:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we should pull all of our shit out of the rest of the world. Fortify the fuck out of our defenses. Build an economy around our own production and resources and mind our own fucking business. With our nuke supply nobody will ever invade or attack us. We just need to be more self sufficient. Too Rational. We should probably waste billions of dollars and send 100,000 of our youths to die for nothing instead |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:31:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, please. Take more of my money away in taxes to give to the Obama installed regime. Fuck right off with that shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fund and supply Ukraine ... Yes, please. Take more of my money away in taxes to give to the Obama installed regime. Fuck right off with that shit. Ok sailor |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:32:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia couldn’t even pay the interest on our debt Neither can we. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:33:47 AM EDT
[#28]
Threaten to blast Chernobyl.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:35:02 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we should pull all of our shit out of the rest of the world. Fortify the fuck out of our defenses. Build an economy around our own production and resources and mind our own fucking business. With our nuke supply nobody will ever invade or attack us. We just need to be more self sufficient. This is the way. For the guys saying equip and train the Ukraines.... That doesn't seem to always work out. Afghanistan had 20 years of training and $86 billion in equipment and fell to some dudes with AKs and Toyotas in just weeks. Vietnam fell in days after 11 years of training and billions in equipment. Georgia, trained and equiped by the US was just walked over by the Russians (who've only improved and modernized since then). The Stinger Missiles provided to Georgia did nothing. If it's such a big problem and threat to Europe... Then Europe should do something about it. Their combined GDP and population is greater than ours - hence the whole point of the EU. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:35:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We hate communists, right? Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists? We're talking about Russia and Ukraine... Not Portland and China. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:36:05 AM EDT
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Fight the Russian the same way we eliminated isis. Small groups of special forces laying out the hurt with drones. Somewhat covertly but everyone knows. Have a QRF to pull our guys out if needed.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:36:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let the European union deal with it. The way I see it. We have no business in that part of the world. Let the Euros deal with their own problems........ Not our problem. Like the Europeans handled Yugoslavia Hint: Germany didn't want competition from a western friendly Yugoslavia so the EC did virtually nothing about the Balkans until it was too late. Just enough effort for show when it was time to play cleanup with the lame ass excuse that was KFOR - apologies to anyone here who participated, I mean no disrespect. And not surprising that Germany is at it again, playing fucking games with Ukraine and Russia and probably will prevent NATO or the EU from intervening to stop a war. Why the fuck does Europe trust Germany |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:38:31 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We hate communists, right? Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists? Russia is to take our eye off the ball. China is the threat, and the war we need to prepare for, if any. The loss of Taiwan solidifies China as a superpower and tech leader for the next 5-7 years. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:38:54 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, please. Take more of my money away in taxes to give to the Obama installed regime. Fuck right off with that shit. Zelensky wasn't installed by Obama. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:39:28 AM EDT
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You know if we stop spending our wealth on being European defense plan they might have to readjust their budgets to build their own military. Might put a kink in all that socialism they can currently afford since they spend nothing on defense
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:41:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is to take our eye off the ball. China is the threat, and the war we need to prepare for, if any. The loss of Taiwan solidifies China as a superpower and tech leader for the next 5-7 years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We hate communists, right? Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists? Russia is to take our eye off the ball. China is the threat, and the war we need to prepare for, if any. The loss of Taiwan solidifies China as a superpower and tech leader for the next 5-7 years. That's my theory. DNC shills are beating the war drums against Russia probably at the behest of handlers that are cutouts for the CCP - it would be ideal for China if the US is distracted when they decide to move on Tawain. I always figured it would be with a move by North Korea invading South Korea but Russia vs. US would be even better for China. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:44:06 AM EDT
[#37]
Not our monkeys, not our circus.
Tell them "good luck" & let the rest of Europe sort it out. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:44:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For anyone who hasn't read it, this is the agreement we signed: https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/s_1994_1399.pdf Here's the important bits: Hop in the Time Masheen, head back there and tell the Ukeleles not to give up their nukes because that shit wasn't worth the paper it's written on. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:46:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't Ukraine play both sides of our political parties or vice versa? Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't Ukraine play both sides of our political parties or vice versa? Yes, they did. They are just as corrupt as the Russians. Quoted: I say sell them weapons, force a bloody war using advisors, and split the country 80% Ukraine NATO accepted /20% Russia so they can save face and not launch stupid nukes. Better yet, sit down and figure out exactly what Russia wants - I doubt it's the whole Ukraine. Give them the Ethnic Russian portion, pay to relocate anyone wanting to stay in the Nation of Ukraine. Then explain to Ukraine to grow the fuck up and be glad they kept some sovereignty. Had they spent the last 30 years building a functional government, economy and military this would not have happen. Mark it up as poor planning on carving up the Soviet Union. Money saved by avoiding this war could set up anyone displaced for life. This should also be a cautionary tale the US and our South West. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:48:47 AM EDT
[#40]
Putin and Russia are so eerily similar to Hitler and Germany in the mid to late 1930's it is uncanny. many countries went along with appeasing the German megalomaniac and that only made a bad problem much worse. what is so wrong with some people that they admire and worship thugs and tyrants?
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:51:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We hate communists, right? Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists? Lol. The communists are here, at least the oligarchs that have the communists here believing they’re getting something for selling the rest of us into totalitarianism. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:51:33 AM EDT
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Risk a fuckup with half-hearted measures intended to hedge against our own incompetence which don't. I expect something like the third. NOVA koolaid drinkers will spin it as bleeding Russia for some reason. The brighter ones will cite budgets or boosting NATO but it will still be post-hoc rationalization of 1990s feels founded on late 1940s propaganda. 
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:53:16 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Europe should build some nuclear reactors and boycott Russian Gas. We should embargo all things Russian as should the Europeans and anyone in the UN who has any backbone. But we should not fight. Any energy embargo will have dramatic impact on Russian if everyone stands by it. Of course China wont. The Krauts are decomissioning the last of their nukes right now. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:54:35 AM EDT
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If you want a serious answer, it would depend what Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, and the rest of Europe do. I wouldn't do anything alone at the very least.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:56:50 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the fuck does Europe trust Germany And for all the crying about Putin being Soviet KGB...no one ever questions Merkel who was a East German party official. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:58:31 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Risk a fuckup with half-hearted measures intended to hedge against our own incompetence which don't. I expect something like the third. NOVA koolaid drinkers will spin it as bleeding Russia for some reason. The brighter ones will cite budgets or boosting NATO but it will still be post-hoc rationalization of 1990s feels founded on late 1940s propaganda. Pivot to Asia, and away from Europe, not the other way around, silly….lols  Hillary Clinton: The U.S. Pivot to Asia Is Not a Pivot Away From Europe |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:59:16 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the way. For the guys saying equip and train the Ukraines.... That doesn't seem to always work out. Afghanistan had 20 years of training and $86 billion in equipment and fell to some dudes with AKs and Toyotas in just weeks. Vietnam fell in days after 11 years of training and billions in equipment. Georgia, trained and equiped by the US was just walked over by the Russians (who've only improved and modernized since then). The Stinger Missiles provided to Georgia did nothing. If it's such a big problem and threat to Europe... Then Europe should do something about it. Their combined GDP and population is greater than ours - hence the whole point of the EU. You strike me as an agent paid to peddle Russian propoganda. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 1:00:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hop in the Time Masheen, head back there and tell the Ukeleles not to give up their nukes because that shit wasn't worth the paper it's written on. They didn't have a choice. Someone would have taken them. Ukraine was and is to unstable to handle a nuclear arsenal. That's how you make Tom Clancy and James Bond nuclear black markets become a reality. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 1:00:17 AM EDT
[#49]
What should our response be if Russia decided to put troops in Mexico.
Russia shouldn't fuck with Mexico, we shouldn't fuck with Ukraine |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 1:01:20 AM EDT
[#50]
Give Ukraine Nukes and let them fight.
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