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Quoted: The video (posted 2x) provides an excellent explanation of what is going on. The judge isn't forcing the employees to work anywhere, he has simply said they can't work at the new company. One would hope that the judge is forcing the conversation between the old and new company to resolve the problem. However, make no mistake, he done fucked it all up by not making the first company put some skin in the game like a week of pay for the employees to be held in trust (after all, they just plunked down a boatload of legal fees filing all of this bs) View Quote He done fucked it up by not telling the suing hospital that they have no case. As a poster said above, they are trying to send a message and this judge is helping them do that. |
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Quoted: Imagine pissing off people that work with multi-million dollar machines that no longer care about their job or helping others. That's a nice MRI machine you have there. Be a shame if somebody threw every metal chair on the dept floor into the fuckin thing. View Quote No shit. A lot of employers will immediately terminate an employee who gives notice, because the employer thinks the employer may sabotage something or clobber morale. I couldn't imagine suing to force them not to resign. |
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Quoted: Lehto says the judge cannot force them to work for their old hospital, something about we ended slavery. He thinks the judge is bluffing and trying to get the two hospitals to come to an agreement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5mV5V-pHs View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The hospital suing told the employees who want to leave to ignore the judges order and come back to work stating that it’s unenforceable. Not kidding From Leyto’s video, it appeared that the order was only that they can’t work at the new employer. Not they they have to work at the old hospital or can’t work at the old hospital. Judge is a POS and deserves ass cancer along with everyone from the old hospital that is involved with this travesty. Lehto says the judge cannot force them to work for their old hospital, something about we ended slavery. He thinks the judge is bluffing and trying to get the two hospitals to come to an agreement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5mV5V-pHs Generally speaking, competitors should not be colluding, in this case to depress the wages of employees. |
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What's the judge's screen name?
He should have just told them if they didn't like their pay or were unhappy with their employment they should have started their own hospital. I wonder how many of the people here that always complain and shit talk employees while choking themselves on the corporate and/management cock actually support this shit? As others have said, in the end all this will do is artificially keep wages down. The judge in fact MUST be a member of the principled capitalist conservative brigade of arfcom. |
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This is why you never, ever, ever, ever tell coworkers or employers where your new job is before you’re already on the new company’s payroll.
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Quoted: Go back, jerk off on your boss' desk (or your boss), get fired, let new hospital know you're available. The idea of wanting to get fired from a job just let's my imagination run wild. lol, I was involved in a suit related to that, and the only reason it was cool was because there was literally a contractual agreement between the two employers saying we couldn't poach either way. If they don't have a contract between each other, they can get fucked. View Quote Cartman's taking a shit on someones desk would be looking might fine. Except eating something that makes you have explosive diarrhea instead of a solid shit. Quoted: The TRO is against the hospital that hired them, not the seven ex employees. The hospital cannot put them to work while their is a TRO forbidding it. View Quote Serious question. or what? I feel like any kind of fine etc. etc. would be fairly appealable. So is the judge just tossing everyone in jail? I'm guessing that wouldn't go well. |
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Between this and the mandates it appears that healthcare workers are now legally considered human chattel.
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With the court upholding the government demand that shots can be required for Healthcare workers they might as well get it over with and make us officially indentured servants. Or better yet slaves, since we apparently don't own our own bodies.
Just one more straw, motherfuckers. |
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Quoted: Lol. I garuntee if I wanted out of a job I could get out of a job. Lots of options, even a few that wouldn't land me in jail for indecent exposure or flinging poop. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Somebody ought to tell the judge where he has to work and prevent him from seeking alternatives. Lol. I garuntee if I wanted out of a job I could get out of a job. Lots of options, even a few that wouldn't land me in jail for indecent exposure or flinging poop. "Sheeeeit, I didn't think you'd fit in the CT scanner." *Angry fat noises* "What's that Shamu? You want to talk to my boss? Sure, let me get the cocksucking CEO on the horn for you." |
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Quoted: That’s an interesting angle legally View Quote The judge is blocking them from pursuing their livelihood with a willing employer. His rationale that losing employees harms the first hospital applies equally to the second hospital as well. These should cancel out, because now the second hospital is lacking the same number of positions because the judge blocked them. However, since the value of a job position is measured by the salary paid for it, it is an unavoidable fact that the second hospital considers these workers MORE critical to their business operations than the first hospital does. So the judge is blocking the workers from going to a position where they are more needed and valuable to hospital operations,and trying to keep them where they are less valuable. I concur: Judge is an idiot. |
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Quoted: So they HAVE to work at the old hospital, or else? View Quote Except the judge can’t order them to do that, since forced employment is a direct violation of the constitution. So hospital 1’s claim about being adversely affected is, in my opinion, moot because they’ll be affected either way. |
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Let's start at the beginning.
1. First set of assholes in Act I is the old hospital. I assume (I read the whole article, didn't see it) they made a plea to the judge that there is a public safety issue (they are Level 2, Ascension is a L3) 2. Other asshole is the judge. What part of "Fuck You, Pay Me" does he not understand? |
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That is total BS, maybe the patients they care for should just move with them and tell the departing hospital to GFO.
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I live in pittsburgh which is a major medical hub. Staffing is Insane an unsustainable at the moment.
nurses making ~$30/hr through hospitals. Travel staffing agencies are paying $120/hr. Every hospital is short. The hospitals are loosing dozens of nursing every single Week. They are going to the travel agencies who are staffing them back the same hospitals for $120. don't think this can continue for long |
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Quoted: With the court upholding the government demand that shots can be required for Healthcare workers they might as well get it over with and make us officially indentured servants. Or better yet slaves, since we apparently don't own our own bodies. Just one more straw, motherfuckers. View Quote Actually, if an American wants to renounce their citizenship, they have to pay the government to buy their freedom. Also, the more productive you are (based on earnings capability), the more valuable an "asset" you are, and the more you have to pay to buy your freedom. What does that imply? |
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Quoted: I live in pittsburgh which is a major medical hub. Staffing is Insane an unsustainable at the moment. nurses making ~$30/hr through hospitals. Travel staffing agencies are paying $120/hr. Every hospital is short. The hospitals are loosing dozens of nursing every single Week. They are going to the travel agencies who are staffing them back the same hospitals for $120. don't think this can continue for long View Quote The nurses are lucky enough that they can jump into travel nurse jobs with "inflation-corrected" salaries. Most workers aren't in a similar position to transfer and demand higher pay so easily, and are now suffering massive ongoing pay cuts in their actual purchasing power. |
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Quoted: In Soviet Union you work for the good of the state. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes In America, you work for benefit of corporation, & CEO in particular. Quoted: Except the judge can’t order them to do that, since forced employment is a direct violation of the constitution. So hospital 1’s claim about being adversely affected is, in my opinion, moot because they’ll be affected either way. How it effects the old employer is constitutionally immaterial. It's their mess, exclusively. Judge should be disbarred & serving fries at McD. But I digress. Let's just see if the constitution matters even a little any more. |
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Judge should be retired / does not know or intentionally obstructing written law.
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Quoted: The TRO is against the hospital that hired them, not the seven ex employees. The hospital cannot put them to work while their is a TRO forbidding it. View Quote Andrew Jackson was a piece of shit, but if ever there was a case to follow his example of "Judge so and so has made their decision, now let them enforce it," it would be this case. |
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Quoted: The video (posted 2x) provides an excellent explanation of what is going on. The judge isn't forcing the employees to work anywhere, he has simply said they can't work at the new company. One would hope that the judge is forcing the conversation between the old and new company to resolve the problem. However, make no mistake, he done fucked it all up by not making the first company put some skin in the game like a week of pay for the employees to be held in trust (after all, they just plunked down a boatload of legal fees filing all of this bs) View Quote +1 Yup, by default, the judge is leaving the employees no choice but to go to work for employer #1 unless they can afford not to work for the time being. Either force employer #1 to pay them while they are not working, or let them work for employer #2. |
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Quoted: Generally speaking, competitors should not be colluding, in this case to depress the wages of employees. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The hospital suing told the employees who want to leave to ignore the judges order and come back to work stating that it’s unenforceable. Not kidding From Leyto’s video, it appeared that the order was only that they can’t work at the new employer. Not they they have to work at the old hospital or can’t work at the old hospital. Judge is a POS and deserves ass cancer along with everyone from the old hospital that is involved with this travesty. Lehto says the judge cannot force them to work for their old hospital, something about we ended slavery. He thinks the judge is bluffing and trying to get the two hospitals to come to an agreement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5mV5V-pHs Generally speaking, competitors should not be colluding, in this case to depress the wages of employees. +1 Haha, exactly! This is why there are antitrust laws! |
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Theda has been a disaster for a while. Their heart staff bailed and set up their own company. Horrible reviews going back a few years.
I'm sure senior management is doing great though. |
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Healthcare megacorps have gotten out of control. They treat employees like shit, then call them heroes then treat them like shit again. Kind of like being in a relationship with a narcissist. Then they get into court and start boohooing with "muh staffing". Fuck healthcare companies. We would be as well off with witch doctors and leaches.
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Considering how much of the healthcare industry is funded by our tax dollars - it actually makes sense to limit their mobility.
Nurses, doctors, and the entire healthcare industry are vastly overpaid in comparison to every other country on planet earth. Do you know what nurses make in other first world countries like Germany? A pittance compared to the USA. The deep issues with our health care system and the extortionary rates charged by the people working within it lead me to the conclusion that I give zero fucks about their predicament here. Quite frankly - they were overpaid at the hospital they were working at and are taking advantage of the situation to be even more overpaid. On the surface, the administrators comment about the higher salaries not making sense in the long-term are probably 1000% correct. Does that mean I agree with the judge's decision? No...but even with some of the most conservative legislatures in the country (Texas) - we see that there's ample reason to push back against medical staff wage inflation. Now I understand what I wrote above requires a 3-digit IQ to properly analyze so I totally expect some of you to push back. |
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Quoted: I live in pittsburgh which is a major medical hub. Staffing is Insane an unsustainable at the moment. nurses making ~$30/hr through hospitals. Travel staffing agencies are paying $120/hr. Every hospital is short. The hospitals are loosing dozens of nursing every single Week. They are going to the travel agencies who are staffing them back the same hospitals for $120. don't think this can continue for long View Quote What can’t continue for long? The free market? The free market without a price correction? |
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Quoted: We don't actually operate under a free market economy in America, so prolly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So they HAVE to work at the old hospital, or else? We don't actually operate under a free market economy in America, so prolly. The employees do not have to work at the old hospital. They can stay home but they will not be paid. |
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Quoted: What can't continue for long? The free market? The free market without a price correction? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I live in pittsburgh which is a major medical hub. Staffing is Insane an unsustainable at the moment. nurses making ~$30/hr through hospitals. Travel staffing agencies are paying $120/hr. Every hospital is short. The hospitals are loosing dozens of nursing every single Week. They are going to the travel agencies who are staffing them back the same hospitals for $120. don't think this can continue for long What can't continue for long? The free market? The free market without a price correction? But, it isn't. Thanks government. |
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Quoted: Cartman's taking a shit on someones desk would be looking might fine. Except eating something that makes you have explosive diarrhea instead of a solid shit. Serious question. or what? I feel like any kind of fine etc. etc. would be fairly appealable. So is the judge just tossing everyone in jail? I'm guessing that wouldn't go well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Go back, jerk off on your boss' desk (or your boss), get fired, let new hospital know you're available. The idea of wanting to get fired from a job just let's my imagination run wild. lol, I was involved in a suit related to that, and the only reason it was cool was because there was literally a contractual agreement between the two employers saying we couldn't poach either way. If they don't have a contract between each other, they can get fucked. Cartman's taking a shit on someones desk would be looking might fine. Except eating something that makes you have explosive diarrhea instead of a solid shit. Quoted: The TRO is against the hospital that hired them, not the seven ex employees. The hospital cannot put them to work while their is a TRO forbidding it. Serious question. or what? I feel like any kind of fine etc. etc. would be fairly appealable. So is the judge just tossing everyone in jail? I'm guessing that wouldn't go well. IANAL. It is my understanding that the judge could have the CEO and anyone else defying his order jail for contempt as well as fining them. I expect a higher court could reverse him but it is hard to get back time you spent in jail. |
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Quoted: This is simply the effects of ongoing inflation in our economy. The nurses are lucky enough that they can jump into travel nurse jobs with "inflation-corrected" salaries. Most workers aren't in a similar position to transfer and demand higher pay so easily, and are now suffering massive ongoing pay cuts in their actual purchasing power. View Quote There hasn't been 200-300% inflation over the last few years. I'd estimate 40-50% or so on the high-end of luxury goods and less than that the further you crawl down the price ladder. Nurses are taking advantage of the pandemic using billions and billions of our tax dollars to fund their salaries. If there was a true free market in the health care industry then maybe that would be okay. |
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Quoted: Let's start at the beginning. 1. First set of assholes in Act I is the old hospital. I assume (I read the whole article, didn't see it) they made a plea to the judge that there is a public safety issue (they are Level 2, Ascension is a L3) 2. Other asshole is the judge. What part of "Fuck You, Pay Me" does he not understand? View Quote They did play the our hospital is better and more important than your hospital card. It does seem that the seven employees gave at least two weeks notice. The old hospital is trying to prevent other hospitals from ever hiring people away from them . They should be slapped down hard for trying to control wages in the industry. |
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Quoted: They did play the our hospital is better and more important than your hospital card. It does seem that the seven employees gave at least two weeks notice. The old hospital is trying to prevent other hospitals from ever hiring people away from them . They should be slapped down hard for trying to control wages in the industry. View Quote 1) Hospital #1 has employees and rightly recognizes that long-term; those higher wages aren't sustainable given their requested reimbursement in a not-at-all-fucking free market supported by billions and billions of state and federal taxpayer dollars. 2) Hospital #2 offers those employees a higher wage yet lower than they'd pay comparable travel nurses right now 3) Judge recognizes the same thing that the Texas legislature did and puts a hold on it to analyze the legal footing 4) GD freaks out without anyone actually reading or analyzing the actual lawsuit - Smaller version of GD talks about "muh free market"; likely aligning with the percentage of GD that didn't take anything beyond high school economics (if they even took that) |
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Quoted: Can someone explain to me how this isn’t slavery? View Quote For starters - how about you look up the definition of slavery? I don't see where the judge said they couldn't quit their job or even made a ruling other then a TRO while the details are further looked into. slavery /'sle?v(?)ri/ the state of being a slave. a condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation. |
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Quoted: 1) Hospital #1 has employees and rightly recognizes that long-term; those higher wages aren't sustainable given their requested reimbursement in a not-at-all-fucking free market supported by billions and billions of state and federal taxpayer dollars. 2) Hospital #2 offers those employees a higher wage yet lower than they'd pay comparable travel nurses right now 3) Judge recognizes the same thing that the Texas legislature did and puts a hold on it to analyze the legal footing 4) GD freaks out without anyone actually reading or analyzing the actual lawsuit - Smaller version of GD talks about "muh free market"; likely aligning with the percentage of GD that didn't take anything beyond high school economics (if they even took that) View Quote Hospital 2 is giving them raises to maintain their staffing. Hospital 1 is not. Therefore Hospital 1 is going to now be short. Hospital 1 refused to match salaries as was offered by the staff, which Hospital 2 thinks is reasonable to pay their employees. I'm having trouble understanding how you can think the judge has any capacity to do anything? Should my Hospital have sued the Hospital that took 2 dozen of our staff by offering $20k more? |
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Quoted: I'm having trouble understanding how you can think the judge has any capacity to do anything? Should my Hospital have sued the Hospital that took 2 dozen of our staff by offering $20k more? View Quote The Texas legislature seems to think that what you're discussing should be forbidden. Nurses shouldn't be given 20k more - they're already vastly overpaid compared to every other first world nation. So maybe your hospital should have sued. I guess we'll have to wait for the results. If the judge doesn't have the capacity to do anything - than why are you reading this thread, posting about it, or caring about what then equates to "nothing?" I guess he might have the capacity eh'? |
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Quoted: 1) Hospital #1 has employees and rightly recognizes that long-term; those higher wages aren't sustainable given their requested reimbursement in a not-at-all-fucking free market supported by billions and billions of state and federal taxpayer dollars. 2) Hospital #2 offers those employees a higher wage yet lower than they'd pay comparable travel nurses right now 3) Judge recognizes the same thing that the Texas legislature did and puts a hold on it to analyze the legal footing 4) GD freaks out without anyone actually reading or analyzing the actual lawsuit - Smaller version of GD talks about "muh free market"; likely aligning with the percentage of GD that didn't take anything beyond high school economics (if they even took that) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They did play the our hospital is better and more important than your hospital card. It does seem that the seven employees gave at least two weeks notice. The old hospital is trying to prevent other hospitals from ever hiring people away from them . They should be slapped down hard for trying to control wages in the industry. 1) Hospital #1 has employees and rightly recognizes that long-term; those higher wages aren't sustainable given their requested reimbursement in a not-at-all-fucking free market supported by billions and billions of state and federal taxpayer dollars. 2) Hospital #2 offers those employees a higher wage yet lower than they'd pay comparable travel nurses right now 3) Judge recognizes the same thing that the Texas legislature did and puts a hold on it to analyze the legal footing 4) GD freaks out without anyone actually reading or analyzing the actual lawsuit - Smaller version of GD talks about "muh free market"; likely aligning with the percentage of GD that didn't take anything beyond high school economics (if they even took that) I don’t know that the suit is actually available yet. The suit most likely was fine Thursday and the order issued Friday. The hearing is today. This is not a case of the state paying higher wages for temporary work. We have one employer offering higher wages and better working conditions than another. I don’t see where the state has any say in this. There is nothing wrong with the judge putting a hold on them starting the new job provided he requires a bond to cover their pay. This should be resolved with pin a week and the ex employees should be made whole when the old hospital looses their case. I admit tgat I don’t have an open mind on this. I cannot see the old hospital or the state denying them the right to work. |
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