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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:42:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: “As we have dug into the issues following exiting prior senior management, they have unfortunately turned out to be far more severe than was reported. There is no way to sugarcoat this.” This to me is the major talking point. So how many of them left because they could no longer hide their ineptitude or inability to manage the aspect of the project they were running? Seems to me, they were painting roses in reports and meetings, instead of the real state of the project. rats jumping ship. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:43:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been yelling that from the rooftops for the longest.... Same for Bezos, Google, Zuckerberg, Wally-Mart. You get in bed with .gov and get rich off of the backs of us taxpayers. Fuck all of them. They can't take their riches to hell with them and/or bargain with God. But no, guaranteed on here Arfcom, the worship of Elon remains strong  Let me help you look like less of a fool: https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-repays-department-energy-loan-nine-years-early |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:43:45 PM EDT
[#3]
space exploration is only good if it comes up with some foreign species to crush
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:44:18 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sell Tesla to Ford. Focus on SpaceX. Ford can't afford it. It would be easier for Tesla to buy Ford. Ford's market cap is 76 billion, Tesla's is 1.15 TRILLION. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the laser takes up that much more space then... launch fewer. Let's be honest, the Starship is essentially a rich man's pipe dream... Its not just the laser. It is a bigger sat with way more processing power and bandwidth. Starship will be amazing if it works. But I think if they had to they would just use the super heavy and throw an expendable second stage on it. It would cost way more but they have gotten really good at fishing fairings out. But Elon is not just a rich man he is an insanely rich man that can throw a ton of money at the problem. Hell he could probably do a gofundme and raise a billion if he wanted to. People really want to see this work. Lots of people. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:45:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed... God put us here on Earth and we all - including this planet and everything on it will DIE!!! Why people waste so much time and money on trying to prolong their existence on this joke of a world is beyond me. Our goal should be heaven after Judgment Day.... Lol |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone aspires to exploration, but this is it. It's futile, look at the numbers. The only way to "leave" this planet is to send countless seed satellites to "colonize" another planet. That bullshit sci-fi traveling star systems and creating a colony is just that, bullshit. There is no star colony, it's literally impossible. You can't communicate with star systems, there is nothing out there, it's truly impossible. There is just us right here, there is nothing else and will be nothing else for us. We could send ourselves to other systems, but that doesn't matter, there is literally just us right here, right now, and that's all there will ever be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Problem is we will never fix our problems at home. Our need to expand past this rock is more important than ever, once the left consolidates absolute power do you really think they will look at space outside of some probes and telescopes? You can’t control people you can’t reach. Everyone aspires to exploration, but this is it. It's futile, look at the numbers. The only way to "leave" this planet is to send countless seed satellites to "colonize" another planet. That bullshit sci-fi traveling star systems and creating a colony is just that, bullshit. There is no star colony, it's literally impossible. You can't communicate with star systems, there is nothing out there, it's truly impossible. There is just us right here, there is nothing else and will be nothing else for us. We could send ourselves to other systems, but that doesn't matter, there is literally just us right here, right now, and that's all there will ever be. That, is an incredibly sad outlook on our future.  |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:46:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No me but somebody will. But it literally can't happen. Light speed, it can't happen unless you're light, there's no data there except the photon. Perhaps you can bend space, but you can't bend space, there's not enough energy. If you convert yourself to light and transmit yourself to another world, it will take millions of years. You'll never get there in time. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only feasible way of populating other planets/systems, is with a compact set of AI surrogates that care/foster our DNA. Once we become established on other planets, maybe we can beam ourselves or consciousness at light speed using relays to ensure integrity. There's no way for humans to populate the galaxy except for AI bots to farm/host the environment, then raise us from seeds when the time is right. That big scary ocean will keep us penned up. Nick |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone aspires to exploration, but this is it. It's futile, look at the numbers. The only way to "leave" this planet is to send countless seed satellites to "colonize" another planet. That bullshit sci-fi traveling star systems and creating a colony is just that, bullshit. There is no star colony, it's literally impossible. You can't communicate with star systems, there is nothing out there, it's truly impossible. There is just us right here, there is nothing else and will be nothing else for us. We could send ourselves to other systems, but that doesn't matter, there is literally just us right here, right now, and that's all there will ever be. You are the single worst Debbie Downer I have ever heard - did you come here to troll this thread with your doom and gloom? Be gone with ye, and let no man remember your name. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:47:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No me but somebody will. Exactly.. If people like that had their way we would all still be squatting in a dark cave next to a fire hoping the animals don't eat us. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:47:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: its not a pipe dream. what they have now would be probably 1/20- the cost of SLS even if they never successfully land it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the laser takes up that much more space then... launch fewer. Let’s be honest, the Starship is essentially a rich man’s pipe dream... its not a pipe dream. what they have now would be probably 1/20- the cost of SLS even if they never successfully land it. Starship’s primary purpose is to go to Mars, not the moon. Something tells me SpaceX won’t go out of business in the next few weeks if they can’t “get it up”... |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:49:34 PM EDT
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Love spacex but Tesla within single digits of bankruptcy in 2018 and now a trillion dollar market cap company and only shows profit withing the last yr due to carbon credits
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:49:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your kind has existed throughout history. You’ve always been wrong. That actually hurts a lot. I am not of any "kind" and it disturbs me my fellow WY free thinking man is putting me down for thinking. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sell Tesla to Ford. Focus on SpaceX. Tesla is almost worth more than all other car companies combined and 15x Ford. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:51:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sell Tesla to Ford. Focus on SpaceX. Tesla is worth like 20 times Ford. ?? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:52:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So without .gov Tesla would have failed? Who knew people don't really want EVs... They can't make them fast enough. 
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:54:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That actually hurts a lot. I am not of any "kind" and it disturbs me my fellow WY free thinking man is putting me down for thinking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your kind has existed throughout history. You’ve always been wrong. That actually hurts a lot. I am not of any "kind" and it disturbs me my fellow WY free thinking man is putting me down for thinking. This is you! And on January 13, 1920, the New York Times published an editorial insisting that a rocket couldn’t possibly work in space: “That professor Goddard, with his ‘chair’ in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution [from which Goddard held a grant to research rocket flight], does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react — to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.” |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:54:49 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. We were in the Moon during the Civil Rights crisis, riots, MLK, Malcolm X, JFK assassinations and the Vietnam war…. What’s going on today is not that big but the media is projecting it to appear worse |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But it literally can't happen. Light speed, it can't happen unless you're light, there's no data there except the photon. Perhaps you can bend space, but you can't bend space, there's not enough energy. If you convert yourself to light and transmit yourself to another world, it will take millions of years. You'll never get there in time. Your entire premise is on existing mathematics that is barely a century old. That's a drop is the bucket. So there's zero possibility in any point in humanity's future that any if this can happen? Unless you have a time machine or are a wizard that kind of certainty/absolute sounds dumb. Looksirtrolls.jpg |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:56:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand, I think I'm positing realistic things here. Do you believe you will be on a ship traveling at light speed to another solar system? You don't travel at light speed. You bend space around you. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:56:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are the single worst Debbie Downer I have ever heard - did you come here to troll this thread with your doom and gloom? Be gone with ye, and let no man remember your name. No, sorry. I got caught up in my own thoughts. I think I speak truth in my ideas though, and its not a debbie downer situation. If you want to expand/explore the universe it'll be straight forward. Seed the solar system with AI to raise our young. However there's no future for us in space, run your own math, millions of years at minimum. Scientists say our universe will be heading towards either cold/heat death by them. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:57:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is you! And on January 13, 1920, the New York Times published an editorial insisting that a rocket couldn’t possibly work in space: “That professor Goddard, with his ‘chair’ in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution [from which Goddard held a grant to research rocket flight], does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react — to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.” 
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:57:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We were in the Moon during the Civil Rights crisis, riots, MLK, Malcolm X, JFK assassinations and the Vietnam war…. What’s going on today is not that big but the media is projecting it to appear worse Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. We were in the Moon during the Civil Rights crisis, riots, MLK, Malcolm X, JFK assassinations and the Vietnam war…. What’s going on today is not that big but the media is projecting it to appear worse Maybe he liked this one!  Gil Scott-Heron - Whitey On the Moon (Official Audio) |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:59:38 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at the "math." I didn't say humans can't populate other planets, I'm saying WE can't ever venture to space. The energy and time required is unbelievable. You can live in your sci-fi tv episode all you want. Fact is, you can create life on other worlds, to do that I think you need to create an ultimate AI foster parent/world builder. Then when you've send all of your world builders and AI care takers + our DNA, you'll end up with the same bullshit we have here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good thing the pilgrims didn't think like you. The future is out there. Look at the "math." I didn't say humans can't populate other planets, I'm saying WE can't ever venture to space. The energy and time required is unbelievable. You can live in your sci-fi tv episode all you want. Fact is, you can create life on other worlds, to do that I think you need to create an ultimate AI foster parent/world builder. Then when you've send all of your world builders and AI care takers + our DNA, you'll end up with the same bullshit we have here. Don’t equate 2400 AD human beings and their capability with 2021 capability. Our complete knowledge about the Cosmos is still very limited as is your thinking. It’s been quite a short existence since the Roman times and I’m quite sure Ancient Romans while on guard duty looked up to the Moon and laughed at the soldier that said humans would walk on the Moon one day. They too went through tough times as life during ancient times was pretty brutal. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:59:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That actually hurts a lot. I am not of any "kind" and it disturbs me my fellow WY free thinking man is putting me down for thinking. the cost of spacex is irrelevant. Its mostly private money, with some nasa/mil contracts that they get paid a fraction of old space companies. their annual cost to the taxpayer may be 0.1% of the federal budget. Last week they launched for NASA the world's first test craft to deflect an asteroid in a test. Even if we never live offworld the possible cost vs reward ratio of this is effectively infinite. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:59:49 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, sorry. I got caught up in my own thoughts. I think I speak truth in my ideas though, and its not a debbie downer situation. If you want to expand/explore the universe it'll be straight forward. Seed the solar system with AI to raise our young. However there's no future for us in space, run your own math, millions of years at minimum. Scientists say our universe will be heading towards either cold/heat death by them. 
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:01:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Email from starlink last week said further delays due to chip shortages.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:01:34 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it literally can't happen. Light speed, it can't happen unless you're light, there's no data there except the photon. Perhaps you can bend space, but you can't bend space, there's not enough energy. If you convert yourself to light and transmit yourself to another world, it will take millions of years. You'll never get there in time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No me but somebody will. But it literally can't happen. Light speed, it can't happen unless you're light, there's no data there except the photon. Perhaps you can bend space, but you can't bend space, there's not enough energy. If you convert yourself to light and transmit yourself to another world, it will take millions of years. You'll never get there in time. Not too familiar with time dilation due to high velocities, are you? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:02:00 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Email from starlink last week said further delays due to chip shortages. mine said shipped 
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:06:23 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your entire premise is on existing mathematics that is barely a century old. That's a drop is the bucket. So there's zero possibility in any point in humanity's future that any if this can happen? Unless you have a time machine or are a wizard that kind of certainty/absolute sounds dumb. Looksirtrolls.jpg Scientists say space is expanding, we're in the prime for viewing our "13.7 billion" year window of the universe. You can't make more energy than the universe, you can't create energy. If someone creates an energy vacuum to travel faster than space, neat. There's no point, you can't bring a planet of people with you, the required energy is incalculable, it's our physics. Our only hope is to shoot some planet forming robots and our dna to another place. But it will take so much energy and resources, we'd only transfer ourselves. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:08:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not too familiar with time dilation due to high velocities, are you? Is there a higher velocity than light? Light doesn't experience time. Time still exists. By the time you get there... |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:08:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not believe the validity of this article from Gizmodo, anyone see other sources ? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:12:42 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: mine said shipped What a waste of time and money! Smoke signals and carrier pigeons are the only things that are and ever will be anything else is impossible. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:17:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. There are huge amounts of resources out there just waiting for someone to take them. Get to the asteroid belt and you could send asteroids back to mine at our leisure. The way to make out planet better is to keep pushing out and growing. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:19:20 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a higher velocity than light? Light doesn't experience time. Time still exists. By the time you get there... Actually relativistic time dilation is a thing. More Lorentz factor (i.e. higher gamma) equals a shorter perceived journey for the crew of a fast ship. The novel Tau Zero shows a rather exaggerated version of this Information traveling by laser would not take millions of years to reach the nearest planets. The nearest star system, which does have planets, is about 4.3 ly away. A society which listens to people like you as a society that is dying |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:20:48 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But no, guaranteed on here Arfcom, the worship of Elon remains strong He's a shit-posting nerd, I've no idea what you're suprised by the worship. SpaceX are also doing some genuinely cool stuff. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:21:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What a waste of time and money! Smoke signals and carrier pigeons are the only things that are and ever will be anything else is impossible. thats basically what i have now, like 2mbt dsl 
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:22:26 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it literally can't happen. Light speed, it can't happen unless you're light, there's no data there except the photon. Perhaps you can bend space, but you can't bend space, there's not enough energy. If you convert yourself to light and transmit yourself to another world, it will take millions of years. You'll never get there in time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No me but somebody will. But it literally can't happen. Light speed, it can't happen unless you're light, there's no data there except the photon. Perhaps you can bend space, but you can't bend space, there's not enough energy. If you convert yourself to light and transmit yourself to another world, it will take millions of years. You'll never get there in time. So they'll keep working and find a way to break the law. Jump drives or Warp drives or Gateways or something else. Lots of possibilities. In a worst case scenario you can do generation ships or put everyone in some sort of cryogenic state and thaw them out when you get there. A solution will be found. The trick is to keep moving and growing. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:23:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: or IPO and... Yea blowing smoke. They could raise A ton of money on a ipo and associated bond issued. I tend to think Musk is vaporware but I do believe in the potential of space x and would personally invest in it. Also on a starlink waiting list. I could do a wireless antenna for more money and a slower speed, but starlink is a legitimate offering if they can bring cost down. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:23:43 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why people waste so much time and money on trying to prolong their existence on this joke of a world is beyond me. Our goal should be heaven after Judgment Day.... At what point does a lack of effort in self sustainment become suicide? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:24:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Sweatshop, work this weekend for free
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:25:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, sorry. I got caught up in my own thoughts. I think I speak truth in my ideas though, and its not a debbie downer situation. If you want to expand/explore the universe it'll be straight forward. Seed the solar system with AI to raise our young. However there's no future for us in space, run your own math, millions of years at minimum. Scientists say our universe will be heading towards either cold/heat death by them. Yes, your way is the only way and it’s the only way things could possibly work. Life might be more enjoyable if you dial your ego back from 11 to like 3. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:25:42 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Scientists say space is expanding, we're in the prime for viewing our "13.7 billion" year window of the universe. You can't make more energy than the universe, you can't create energy. If someone creates an energy vacuum to travel faster than space, neat. There's no point, you can't bring a planet of people with you, the required energy is incalculable, it's our physics. Our only hope is to shoot some planet forming robots and our dna to another place. But it will take so much energy and resources, we'd only transfer ourselves. "Scientists say......it's our physics...." Lol you totally missed the point of undiscovered physics. Almost like our understanding of physics and the universe changes over time. Weird. You are fixated on solely what we know now. As if we as a species have all it all figured out. smellsliketrollpoop.gif |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:26:12 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: thats basically what i have now, like 2mbt dsl I hear if you give your pigeon Red Bull you can get at least 2.5 |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:26:44 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sell Tesla to Ford. Focus on SpaceX. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:26:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it literally can't happen. Light speed, it can't happen unless you're light, there's no data there except the photon. Perhaps you can bend space, but you can't bend space, there's not enough energy. If you convert yourself to light and transmit yourself to another world, it will take millions of years. You'll never get there in time. Thousands, not millions. Arranging for the receiving equipment to be operational at the right time is an interesting challenge. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:28:24 PM EDT
[#49]
"The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision." -- xkcd
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Posted: 11/30/2021 11:30:19 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is you! And on January 13, 1920, the New York Times published an editorial insisting that a rocket couldn’t possibly work in space: “That professor Goddard, with his ‘chair’ in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution [from which Goddard held a grant to research rocket flight], does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react — to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your kind has existed throughout history. You’ve always been wrong. That actually hurts a lot. I am not of any "kind" and it disturbs me my fellow WY free thinking man is putting me down for thinking. This is you! And on January 13, 1920, the New York Times published an editorial insisting that a rocket couldn’t possibly work in space: “That professor Goddard, with his ‘chair’ in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution [from which Goddard held a grant to research rocket flight], does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react — to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.” Nice to know that journalists with high school educations thinking that they're qualified to comment on anything is a time-honoured tradition. |
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