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Originally Posted By Capta: Ukraine makes a vital contribution to western culture: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xot7kq/darth_vaders_voice_to_live_on_thanks_to_ukrainian/ Group of Russian soldiers in deep shit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xoz0f1/russian_soldiers_taking_fire_from_ua_forces_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Someone needs a tune-up! https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xok84d/a_protest_was_held_in_lubmin_germany_yesterday/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 War criminal from Kyiv region captured near Kherson: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/a-russian-soldier-captured-in-the-kherson-region-had-been-killing-civilians-in-the-kyiv-region/ View Quote In the second video, what’s that firework like display from? |
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Originally Posted By dillydilly: In the second video, what’s that firework like display from? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Capta: Ukraine makes a vital contribution to western culture: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xot7kq/darth_vaders_voice_to_live_on_thanks_to_ukrainian/ Group of Russian soldiers in deep shit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xoz0f1/russian_soldiers_taking_fire_from_ua_forces_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Someone needs a tune-up! https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xok84d/a_protest_was_held_in_lubmin_germany_yesterday/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 War criminal from Kyiv region captured near Kherson: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/a-russian-soldier-captured-in-the-kherson-region-had-been-killing-civilians-in-the-kyiv-region/ In the second video, what’s that firework like display from? Looks like a 30mm round being fired hit the tree, possibly a trip flare on the tree or thermite grenades stored there at the base of the tree ignited. |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
This is going to rustle some jimmies in GD.... View Quote strange since the Biden admin didnt want Ukraine citizens to come here... |
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Whatever happens, sooner or later Putin is out of power and I see Russia as a powder keg of instability. With its abundance of nuclear weapons that's somewhat concerning.
I hope the CIA in between chanting diversity is our strength and recruiting transgender folks has been putting in place plans to install an opposition government that could effectively rule over the multiple groups in Russia. We need a controlled break-up of Russia not a chaotic collapse. We don't want to trade Putin for six more insane versions of Putin. I would think the U.S. government would have learned this lesson from Iraq, but sadly I can't be sure that they have. |
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Allegedly Azov during the battle for Mariupol.
Training with Mi-17s
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Be very careful about this sort of shit. There was a phone app the purported to DOS Russian Government Websites... Was a crypto miner and DDoSed Ukrainian stuff. There's been a couple of folks say that they got Phished and had account takeover stuff happen after posting stuff on Discord... If you don't know what's going on with stuff, maybe help in other ways. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Two can play at that game. Anyone who wants to get involved in a bit of cyber mayhem to help Ukraine can find out more from https://itarmy.com.ua/?lang=en Be very careful about this sort of shit. There was a phone app the purported to DOS Russian Government Websites... Was a crypto miner and DDoSed Ukrainian stuff. There's been a couple of folks say that they got Phished and had account takeover stuff happen after posting stuff on Discord... If you don't know what's going on with stuff, maybe help in other ways. Agreed. I have followed this one for a while, though, and monitored the Linux version's activity with nf_conntrack and it is targeting the hosts that the target list says it is. They recommend a couple of open source projects that have been developed / extended for this purpose, mhddos and death by 1000 needles in particular. Both have their code openly available for review. Even though I trust them enough to participate, I do run their script in a sandbox as user 'nobody' because it's prudent. |
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Possibly the most ruthless Russian atrocity thus far
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By Jack67: As a side point, this brings up another element of the war we will be curious to know when it's over. How on earth did they get it in February? Zelensky and others have said it was purely through treason and high officers collaborating. I have to believe that, but would really like to know the facts at some point. View Quote At least one poster in this thread, that I remember, has pretty good information on that. Perhaps they will share more details. |
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Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220927_111010_jpg-2540912.JPG View Quote They should add dollar value to this. |
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https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/headlines/2193112-nord-stream-says-three-offshore-gas-pipelines-damaged-in-one-day
Three offshore lines of the Nord Stream gas pipeline system have sustained "unprecedented" damage in one day, Nord Stream AG, the operator of the network, said on Tuesday. It also said that it was impossible to estimate when the gas network system's working capability would be restored.
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
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Originally Posted By torstin: At least one poster in this thread, that I remember, has pretty good information on that. Perhaps they will share more details. View Quote That would be enlightening. Originally Posted By Prime: https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/headlines/2193112-nord-stream-says-three-offshore-gas-pipelines-damaged-in-one-day Three offshore lines of the Nord Stream gas pipeline system have sustained "unprecedented" damage in one day, Nord Stream AG, the operator of the network, said on Tuesday. It also said that it was impossible to estimate when the gas network system's working capability would be restored.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdpRXMoWAAQDwN4?format=png&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdpRYh_WYAAO2Wq?format=png&name=small View Quote I was watching the other thread on this. This is a real puzzler. Not sad about it, but so many actors, and who did it? I can’t ponpoint the depth of the Brnholm Basin there. Looks like 40-60m for the nearby two incidents, which widens the possibility of methods. Attached File |
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Lol. Live TV ftw! |
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Haven't they had their ass kicked by Japan more than once? Bah! Picking more fights they can't even begin to hope to win. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Haven't they had their ass kicked by Japan more than once? Bah! Picking more fights they can't even begin to hope to win. Pooty should definitely, absolutely, open a second front in the war. Don’t question Pooty’s military wisdom; he is a master strategist |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Lol. Live TV ftw! View Quote He's in for a bad time lol |
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Originally Posted By CS223: Is there not a way to spoof GPS with ground transmitters? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By AnalogKid: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AnalogKid: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AnalogKid: Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Bet they didn't fill out their ITAR paperwork. I bet it is from Iran taking apart Graphing Calculators to use or something similar. What sort of control links are these drones using...satcom, HF, relayed microwave, ? Most commonly, a GPS coordinate. If it has a camera, it's most likely controlled line of sight from a ground station in that case. One wonders if it may be possible to override the active link and turn the drone back to its launch point. Speculating at a very high level here. Good question, but I don't know. The easiest would be to jam the commercial GLONASS or GPS reciever, so it won't hit it's intended target. Here's some more info, they took the smaller Shahed-131 drone apart and analyzed all the components. You can see the limitations of these. They are not the same or as capable as the Israeli HAROP or HARPY drones, though they look like them. The smaller Shahed-131 drone tear down is here: https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/not_only_shahed_136_a_detailed_study_of_another_iranian_shahed_131_kamikaze_drone_used_by_russia-4320.html But the main value of the report is precisely in the analysis of electronic components. As predicted, all of them are civilian, and of the guidance systems, only a civilian-class GPS receiver is used, which allows this drone to be used only against stationary objects. At the same time, an unpleasant surprise was found, a system was added to GPS guidance that prevents GPS signals from being changed by electronic warfare systems, but judging by the description, it does not prevent interference. The drone is also equipped with a primitive inertial system that allows it to maintain an approximate course and altitude if satellite navigation is prohibited. That is, when the drone flies into an area where GPS signals are suppressed, the drone begins to be blown away by the wind, and it also runs into errors of the inertial system itself. Depending on the speed and direction of the wind, the deviation will be 5% of the distance covered without GPS. On a section of 5 km, this will give an error of 250 meters. Obviously, when the GPS signal is received again, the drone will adjust its flight. Trick would be to not allow it to get the GPS signal. So they basically load GPS coordinates into NVRAM pre-launch and use an INS as backup. Another thing to ponder: If there's ANY sort of ground link provision for the drone, could the link be compromised and those coordinates be queried (rather than altered) while in flight? If so, the information could act as an early warning system for (insert_favorite_countermeasures). Be interesting to get ahold of an electronics package out of one and do a bit of reverse engineering. Is there not a way to spoof GPS with ground transmitters? There is, but the sneaky little bastards fail over to an INS as AlmightyTallest mentioned. As soon as the GPS spoofing stops and the system can get an appropriate fix, it resumes navigation via GPS receiver. Compromising the command link to get the preprogrammed flight coordinates is one possible way to counter these craft, IF the link is open and active during flight. The other bit I'd be curious about: How are the RUS/IRAN personnel getting targeting information to begin with? Stop the flow and minimize the threat, if in fact these are "dumb" weapons. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: They should add dollar value to this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20220927_111010_jpg-2540912.JPG They should add dollar value to this. Dollar value for Russia's losses is trickier than you'd imagine given their use of extremely outdated equipment. How do you put a dollar value on something like a T-72 made in the 80's with minimal or no upgrades? Replacement cost? open market value if sold? original cost adjusted for inflation? Do you deprecate based on age and condition? is it 'free' since the cost was incurred by the Soviet Union, which no longer exists? |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
View Quote This shit combined with the fact that they are snatching people with no military experience is going to be wild. What a fucking waste. |
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Originally Posted By governmentman: Dollar value for Russia's losses is trickier than you'd imagine given their use of extremely outdated equipment. How do you put a dollar value on something like a T-72 made in the 80's with minimal or no upgrades? Replacement cost? open market value if sold? original cost adjusted for inflation? Do you deprecate based on age and condition? View Quote Kelly blue book |
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Originally Posted By burnka871: This shit combined with the fact that they are snatching people with no military experience is going to be wild. What a fucking waste. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
This shit combined with the fact that they are snatching people with no military experience is going to be wild. What a fucking waste. just one more confirmation that this is all politically driven and military planning/knowledge is completely removed from the decision making in Russia right now. |
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Intel like this makes supporting Ukraine 100% worth it, which some are a bit too myopic to grasp. No doubt those chips have serial numbers and no doubt those serial numbers can be traced to specific lots which can lead to finding holes in our national security that Iranians are exploiting and either plug them or exploit them to our own ends. That's a very hard thing to put a price tag on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Bet they didn’t fill out their ITAR paperwork. Intel like this makes supporting Ukraine 100% worth it, which some are a bit too myopic to grasp. No doubt those chips have serial numbers and no doubt those serial numbers can be traced to specific lots which can lead to finding holes in our national security that Iranians are exploiting and either plug them or exploit them to our own ends. That's a very hard thing to put a price tag on. That’s absolutely right. A tray of processors can enable an enemy to build a number of weapons. Hell, a tray of processors can do more damage than a shipping container full of 155mm shells. Just finding the shell companies that buy them and developing new processes to control product destinations is huge. |
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: This whole thing is getting to the point it is becoming ridiculous. I just watched a video where some mobilized old guy likely suffered a heart attack on the parade grounds and dropped dead. A trainload of fresh and untrained conscripts got blown up soon after entering Ukrainian territory. Entire companies of Russians are getting wiped out with their corpses littering the countryside. Now they are trying to plug a bunch of untrained, poorly equipped conscripts into their professional units that are already failing. This has become a slaughter. Russia's Army is arguably in worse shape than Saddam's army back in February 1991 when the ground portion of the Desert Storm campaign was launched. They are helpless and hopeless. Yet Putin allows this madness to continue, in fact, he is actively worsening it with every decision he makes. What an absolute piece of shit he is to allow the wholesale slaughter of his nation's people to continue this way for nothing. I hope there eventually comes a day when enough Russian people finally wake up that we get to see Putin experience what Muammar Gaddafi did. This is the end he has earned and deserves. Fuck that piece of shit for everything he has done to Georgia, Ukraine, Syria and even to his own countrymen. View Quote Spot on. |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
This is going to rustle some jimmies in GD.... View Quote As long as they go to Martha’s Vineyard, it’s A OK . |
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Originally Posted By Prime: https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/headlines/2193112-nord-stream-says-three-offshore-gas-pipelines-damaged-in-one-day Three offshore lines of the Nord Stream gas pipeline system have sustained "unprecedented" damage in one day, Nord Stream AG, the operator of the network, said on Tuesday. It also said that it was impossible to estimate when the gas network system's working capability would be restored.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdpRXMoWAAQDwN4?format=png&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdpRYh_WYAAO2Wq?format=png&name=small View Quote That’s extremely interesting. It would take submarines to do that?. Who did it? |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
This is going to rustle some jimmies in GD.... View Quote Do all Russian women age like the Japanese? |
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Originally Posted By governmentman: Dollar value for Russia's losses is trickier than you'd imagine given their use of extremely outdated equipment. How do you put a dollar value on something like a T-72 made in the 80's with minimal or no upgrades? Replacement cost? open market value if sold? original cost adjusted for inflation? Do you deprecate based on age and condition? is it 'free' since the cost was incurred by the Soviet Union, which no longer exists? View Quote Replacement cost |
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Originally Posted By josepha1: Maybe TI-83 calculator parts. Snake was one hell of a game. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By josepha1: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Bet they didn't fill out their ITAR paperwork. Maybe TI-83 calculator parts. Snake was one hell of a game. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: If it's 40-60 meters, divers could get that. Not just any divers but they could get it. View Quote For what benefit. I thought the gas shipments had stopped and the pipelines were basically idle. Without adequate pressure, is it likely the pipelines will be damaged by seawater and rendered useless? Who benefits most from that? |
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Originally Posted By torstin: For what benefit. I thought the gas shipments had stopped and the pipelines were basically idle. Without adequate pressure, is it likely the pipelines will be damaged by seawater and rendered useless? Who benefits most from that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By torstin: Originally Posted By Prime: If it's 40-60 meters, divers could get that. Not just any divers but they could get it. For what benefit. I thought the gas shipments had stopped and the pipelines were basically idle. Without adequate pressure, is it likely the pipelines will be damaged by seawater and rendered useless? Who benefits most from that? The only intentional sabotage scenario that makes sense to me would be action by a party with a vested interest in making sure the EU doesn't buckle and given in to Russia on the demand to stop military aid in exchange for gas. In my mind the most likely scenario is some bizarre fuckup due to incompetence. If pressure remained at 7 bar or above, there should not be much seawater intrusion. pressure at 50 meters is 5 bar. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: If it’s 40-60 meters, divers could get that. Not just any divers…but they could get it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By sq40: That’s extremely interesting. It would take submarines to do that?. Who did it? If it’s 40-60 meters, divers could get that. Not just any divers…but they could get it. Danish guy did a free dive to 202 meters on 1 breath......... |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Whatever happens, sooner or later Putin is out of power and I see Russia as a powder keg of instability. With its abundance of nuclear weapons that's somewhat concerning. I hope the CIA in between chanting diversity is our strength and recruiting transgender folks has been putting in place plans to install an opposition government that could effectively rule over the multiple groups in Russia. We need a controlled break-up of Russia not a chaotic collapse. We don't want to trade Putin for six more insane versions of Putin. I would think the U.S. government would have learned this lesson from Iraq, but sadly I can't be sure that they have. View Quote Just look at how well the 1991 breakup was handled. |
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Originally Posted By governmentman: Dollar value for Russia's losses is trickier than you'd imagine given their use of extremely outdated equipment. How do you put a dollar value on something like a T-72 made in the 80's with minimal or no upgrades? Replacement cost? open market value if sold? original cost adjusted for inflation? Do you deprecate based on age and condition? is it 'free' since the cost was incurred by the Soviet Union, which no longer exists? View Quote I'd guess replacement costs, force degradation plus their inability to actually manufacture any in the first place. They don't seem able to produce the T-14 in any usable numbers. |
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Originally Posted By governmentman: The only intentional sabotage scenario that makes sense to me would be action by a party with a vested interest in making sure the EU doesn't buckle and given in to Russia on the demand to stop military aid in exchange for gas. In my mind the most likely scenario is some bizarre fuckup due to incompetence. If pressure remained at 7 bar or above, there should not be much seawater intrusion. pressure at 50 meters is 5 bar. View Quote The only remotely plausible play I can think of outside of an accident is that the US did it response to mobilization. |
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Originally Posted By AnalogKid: So they basically load GPS coordinates into NVRAM pre-launch and use an INS as backup. Another thing to ponder: If there's ANY sort of ground link provision for the drone, could the link be compromised and those coordinates be queried (rather than altered) while in flight? If so, the information could act as an early warning system for (insert_favorite_countermeasures). Be interesting to get ahold of an electronics package out of one and do a bit of reverse engineering. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AnalogKid: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AnalogKid: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AnalogKid: Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Bet they didn’t fill out their ITAR paperwork. I bet it is from Iran taking apart Graphing Calculators to use or something similar. What sort of control links are these drones using...satcom, HF, relayed microwave, ? Most commonly, a GPS coordinate. If it has a camera, it's most likely controlled line of sight from a ground station in that case. One wonders if it may be possible to override the active link and turn the drone back to its launch point. Speculating at a very high level here. Good question, but I don't know. The easiest would be to jam the commercial GLONASS or GPS reciever, so it won't hit it's intended target. Here's some more info, they took the smaller Shahed-131 drone apart and analyzed all the components. You can see the limitations of these. They are not the same or as capable as the Israeli HAROP or HARPY drones, though they look like them. The smaller Shahed-131 drone tear down is here: https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/not_only_shahed_136_a_detailed_study_of_another_iranian_shahed_131_kamikaze_drone_used_by_russia-4320.html But the main value of the report is precisely in the analysis of electronic components. As predicted, all of them are civilian, and of the guidance systems, only a civilian-class GPS receiver is used, which allows this drone to be used only against stationary objects. At the same time, an unpleasant surprise was found, a system was added to GPS guidance that prevents GPS signals from being changed by electronic warfare systems, but judging by the description, it does not prevent interference. The drone is also equipped with a primitive inertial system that allows it to maintain an approximate course and altitude if satellite navigation is prohibited. That is, when the drone flies into an area where GPS signals are suppressed, the drone begins to be blown away by the wind, and it also runs into errors of the inertial system itself. Depending on the speed and direction of the wind, the deviation will be 5% of the distance covered without GPS. On a section of 5 km, this will give an error of 250 meters. Obviously, when the GPS signal is received again, the drone will adjust its flight. Trick would be to not allow it to get the GPS signal. So they basically load GPS coordinates into NVRAM pre-launch and use an INS as backup. Another thing to ponder: If there's ANY sort of ground link provision for the drone, could the link be compromised and those coordinates be queried (rather than altered) while in flight? If so, the information could act as an early warning system for (insert_favorite_countermeasures). Be interesting to get ahold of an electronics package out of one and do a bit of reverse engineering. I'm just catching up this morning, but yeah, I'm with you on that line of questioning and interest. If the drone has a camera system, and about 1 out of 6 in a group can, that one drone would have the ground link to relay video to the user that allows them to decide on what targets to hit closer to real time. I would say that camera system with downlink, since all the chips are commercial quality, that it may be susceptible to the jamming guns or drone jamming systems in that regard. Last night I had a dream about this. In it we set up in a large building that acted as an attractive fake HQ target and set it up as a decoy for the drones. Lots of antennas on the roof, real and fake, lots of high quality long range thermal optical and radar systems to scan the skies and horizon for them from high up on the building, also provided over watch for some real potential targets nearby. More than a few accurate gun and missile systems to take the drones down were set up on the roof and around the area. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote Wow that looked really weird, like it’s real and fake at the same time. |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Lol. Live TV ftw! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
This is going to rustle some jimmies in GD.... View Quote Not crazy about this idea. Likely to be some infiltrators in the bunch and who needs a bunch of Russians who were happy enough to play along up until they got drafted? |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
View Quote That literally confirms what the Ukrainian Army stated about 3 days ago. They are sending Russians to the front with no training at all. Unbelievable. |
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Originally Posted By sq40: That’s extremely interesting. It would take submarines to do that?. Who did it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Prime: https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/headlines/2193112-nord-stream-says-three-offshore-gas-pipelines-damaged-in-one-day Three offshore lines of the Nord Stream gas pipeline system have sustained "unprecedented" damage in one day, Nord Stream AG, the operator of the network, said on Tuesday. It also said that it was impossible to estimate when the gas network system's working capability would be restored.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdpRXMoWAAQDwN4?format=png&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdpRYh_WYAAO2Wq?format=png&name=small That’s extremely interesting. It would take submarines to do that?. Who did it? I suspect submarines. Take the time for the first cut of the line, then the timing of the next two, and you can trace a path they are traveling underwater. |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
View Quote To treat the people you are going send in for war…should tell all Russians who their government really is… |
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