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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 6:49:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


Agreed. Russia and NATO had 8 or so years to get their shit together. Trump warned NATO. Putin couldn't do shit in 2014 either. "Taking" Crimea was a cakewalk with all that public support and their Naval base as a fixture for decades. But he couldn't invade shit then.

Time is not on the Ruskies' side. But with only $6B out of $40B going to Ukraine, and the second-hand equipment we've given them so far, their ability to hold on is in question.

Answer me this: Why did Austin and Milley call their Ruskie counterparts and demand a ceasefire? To me, that flies in the face of their public statements to wear down and destroy Russia, and doesn't sound like a winner's move. What does our mil intel know that we don't? And now the EU misfits trot out (ha!) Kissinger to tell the Ukes to settle a deal? WTF? Why the shift?
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

That actually fucks the Russians. I think GD is under rating Russian military {not the militia types or Chechens etc} but not mobilizing at the same time saying new forces will be positioned in their western districts as Kiev mobilized their military aged males. Fucking bad move. At this rate I think Kiev and Moscow are using up their good personnel and they’ll both need reserves but Kiev is already trying to get that going. Russia will need reserves. Clearly east and south Ukraine is more important to Russia than Kiev but as long as Kiev exists and I expect that’s going to be the case, Putin is left HOPING NATO and EU lose interest or panic over inflation, energy and their economies and “realpolitik” a compromise. But even if that happens it’s all about timing. Can Russia do the same economy wise? Personnel and equipment? I think China will help Russia but not as much as the Russians need or want. Russia thinks time is on its side, maybe but what if it isn’t? HOPE is not a plan. Conversely Kiev is frustrated by NATO & EU dragging ass. Close to a total shitshow for all parties involved in my opinion. GD is hard on the Russians, I don’t give NATO a pass for its shittyness. I’m gonna call it how I see it. Almost 10 fucking years NATO has had to get its act together.


Agreed. Russia and NATO had 8 or so years to get their shit together. Trump warned NATO. Putin couldn't do shit in 2014 either. "Taking" Crimea was a cakewalk with all that public support and their Naval base as a fixture for decades. But he couldn't invade shit then.

Time is not on the Ruskies' side. But with only $6B out of $40B going to Ukraine, and the second-hand equipment we've given them so far, their ability to hold on is in question.

Answer me this: Why did Austin and Milley call their Ruskie counterparts and demand a ceasefire? To me, that flies in the face of their public statements to wear down and destroy Russia, and doesn't sound like a winner's move. What does our mil intel know that we don't? And now the EU misfits trot out (ha!) Kissinger to tell the Ukes to settle a deal? WTF? Why the shift?


Shit I missed this, when did the trot out that fossil?

Link Posted: 5/25/2022 6:52:38 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 6:55:08 PM EDT
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Shit I missed this, when did the trot out that fossil?

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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

That actually fucks the Russians. I think GD is under rating Russian military {not the militia types or Chechens etc} but not mobilizing at the same time saying new forces will be positioned in their western districts as Kiev mobilized their military aged males. Fucking bad move. At this rate I think Kiev and Moscow are using up their good personnel and they’ll both need reserves but Kiev is already trying to get that going. Russia will need reserves. Clearly east and south Ukraine is more important to Russia than Kiev but as long as Kiev exists and I expect that’s going to be the case, Putin is left HOPING NATO and EU lose interest or panic over inflation, energy and their economies and “realpolitik” a compromise. But even if that happens it’s all about timing. Can Russia do the same economy wise? Personnel and equipment? I think China will help Russia but not as much as the Russians need or want. Russia thinks time is on its side, maybe but what if it isn’t? HOPE is not a plan. Conversely Kiev is frustrated by NATO & EU dragging ass. Close to a total shitshow for all parties involved in my opinion. GD is hard on the Russians, I don’t give NATO a pass for its shittyness. I’m gonna call it how I see it. Almost 10 fucking years NATO has had to get its act together.


Agreed. Russia and NATO had 8 or so years to get their shit together. Trump warned NATO. Putin couldn't do shit in 2014 either. "Taking" Crimea was a cakewalk with all that public support and their Naval base as a fixture for decades. But he couldn't invade shit then.

Time is not on the Ruskies' side. But with only $6B out of $40B going to Ukraine, and the second-hand equipment we've given them so far, their ability to hold on is in question.

Answer me this: Why did Austin and Milley call their Ruskie counterparts and demand a ceasefire? To me, that flies in the face of their public statements to wear down and destroy Russia, and doesn't sound like a winner's move. What does our mil intel know that we don't? And now the EU misfits trot out (ha!) Kissinger to tell the Ukes to settle a deal? WTF? Why the shift?


Shit I missed this, when did the trot out that fossil?



I don’t think our goverment demanded a ceasefire with any expectation of Putin doing it. I think that was a political nicety to show us as the good guys. The money and equipment currently on the way or in the pipe should have a decisive effect on the battlefield. The Ukrainians are not loosing. They are letting the Russians burn themselves out, then they will counter attack.

Read Russia is bringing T62s and pro types to the fight. They are on borrowed time. My only concern is our lack of providing credible air defense systems. A couple of patriot batteries sold  as requested last year would have prevented this.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 6:57:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


Agreed. Russia and NATO had 8 or so years to get their shit together. Trump warned NATO. Putin couldn't do shit in 2014 either. "Taking" Crimea was a cakewalk with all that public support and their Naval base as a fixture for decades. But he couldn't invade shit then.

Time is not on the Ruskies' side. But with only $6B out of $40B going to Ukraine, and the second-hand equipment we've given them so far, their ability to hold on is in question.

Answer me this: Why did Austin and Milley call their Ruskie counterparts and demand a ceasefire? To me, that flies in the face of their public statements to wear down and destroy Russia, and doesn't sound like a winner's move. What does our mil intel know that we don't? And now the EU misfits trot out (ha!) Kissinger to tell the Ukes to settle a deal? WTF? Why the shift?
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NATO doesn’t want instability. This whole situation is making the Europeans very anxious and they convey that to Washington D.C. Also, putting out feelers helps you gauge an opponent and helps assess them. How does Russia react? Kind of a waste of time imo though as neither Kiev or Moscow want to compromise and the Pentagon acknowledged that reality today in a press release. I don’t see Kiev taking Crimea by Christmas but as of now that’s their outspoken goal.https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-united-states-peace-deal-terms-1709282?amp=1Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 6:57:28 PM EDT
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Russian food they came to the front with, liberated from dead Russian tank guards unit. Should tell you what the deal is. Couldn’t tell if it was dog meat or old meat stored in an ammo crate.

Actually it’s my crate of trophy hearts, too cold to collect ears and all.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:07:00 PM EDT
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Russia left the comms and power because their own “secure” comms are completely dependent on 3g cell service.  Where they took out the power and comms (and they did in some places) they had to resort to using radio in the clear and this contributed to several of their earlier command deaths.
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At first they use HF and cell phones in a lax manner. HF is hard to jam, but easy to exploit, as they found out. But after a few bomb cycles they decided to deploy some of their software-based R-187P1 Azart and R-168-5UN-2 radios. They just don't have enough of them. Have you heard of any coms interceptions recently? I haven't, but who knows.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:09:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:
Russian food they came to the front with, liberated from dead Russian tank guards unit. Should tell you what the deal is. Couldn’t tell if it was dog meat or old meat stored in an ammo crate.

Actually it’s my crate of trophy hearts, too cold to collect ears and all.
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Wait are you out doing the needful?
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:11:03 PM EDT
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What is in the box in the last pic?
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What is in the box in the last pic?
Looks like country ham.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:15:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By grambosc:

Outstanding.  I'm having a Cheerwine in a glass bottle with real cane sugar for this occasion, since I'm at work.

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Originally Posted By Prime:
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If this is true, I will open a good bottle today.


UA says so.

https://www.facebook.com/AFUStratCom/posts/379218530913467

Outstanding.  I'm having a Cheerwine in a glass bottle with real cane sugar for this occasion, since I'm at work.



Supposedly three of the units senior non-comms and it’s leader where snakbarred
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:17:50 PM EDT
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Shit I missed this, when did the trot out that fossil?

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Kissinger at WEF, Davos
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:20:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

NATO doesn’t want instability. This whole situation is making the Europeans very anxious and they convey that to Washington D.C. Also, putting out feelers helps you gauge an opponent and helps assess them. How does Russia react? Kind of a waste of time imo though as neither Kiev or Moscow want to compromise and the Pentagon acknowledged that reality today in a press release. I don’t see Kiev taking Crimea by Christmas but as of now that’s their outspoken goal.https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-united-states-peace-deal-terms-1709282?amp=1https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-05-25/eu-cracks-widen-over-ukraine-as-italy-hungary-urge-truce?context=amphttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/164F7DE5-F490-49D7-8671-ED029F44A07B_jpe-2397073.JPG
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:22:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


Thanks for taking the time. I appreciate your explanation. Get well!
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The same. Thank for great insights
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:35:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:42:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


I suppose they filled you in on their military strategy then. So you're saying Ruskie General Staff planned to take Kiev with a comparative handful of troops. Right....

Oh, and the OSCE monitored and declared as impressive and fair the 2010 election in which Yanukovych was elected.
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Yes, they sent the vdv to take the airport, and did nothing to support them, so the lost the airport and the troops. They were not greeted with bread and salt, instead, they got their asses kicked with their 20km long convoys that were savaged by Ukrainian special forces.  They wanted Kyiv, and fucked up badly trying to get it.
As far as the election, you probably believe our 2020 election was impressive and fair too.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:43:23 PM EDT
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LNR storming a Ukrainian trench, Happened in March or April near Novotoshkovskoye.  NSFW, a few notes.

LNR forces are at bottom of screen, Ukrainians near top.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uxrez5/storming_the_stronghold_by_the_forces_of_the_lnr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

Damn that Ukrainian soldier put up one hell of a fight before the final grenade finally got him. Looked like he was wounded and exhausted before that. Crazy grenade duel, proper gutsy stuff from both sides fighting like they’re in the trenches of WW1.

Just noticed about 20 seconds in you see another Ukrainian soldier running down the trench before coming head on with the LNR storming party and getting shot. Insane footage.  
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I wanna say that soldier held them off long enough for the others to retreat. That’s a warrior.  
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It takes 8 russians and 24 grenades to take out a Ukrainian. Good luck with that Comrade. Y’all are f’d.  
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:46:01 PM EDT
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Yes, but it's the sanctions that have backfired, which was NATO's doing. They could undo some of them - the oil and gas prohibitions. A lot of companies in the EU have already submitted to the gas-for-rubles scheme. Hungary & Italy depend on the fuel.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:49:02 PM EDT
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The Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov has threatened Poland:
“Ukraine is already a closed issue. I'm interested in Poland.. we'll show what we are capable of in 6 seconds. Better get yr weapons (Poles)”
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:51:25 PM EDT
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 May 25, 7:15 pm ET



Some pro-Russian milbloggers on Telegram continued to criticize the Kremlin for appalling treatment of forcefully mobilized Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (DNR and LNR) servicemen–contradicting Russian information campaigns about progress of the Russian special military operation. Former Russian Federal Security Service officer Igor Girkin (also known by the alias Igor Strelkov) amplified a critique to his 360,000 followers from a smaller milblogger discussing a video wherein a DNR battalion appealed to DNR Head Denis Pushilin about maltreatment of forcefully mobilized forces.[1] The milblogger blamed Russian leadership, not Pushilin, for beginning the invasion with insufficient reserves and unprepared, forcefully mobilized forces. The milblogger added that Russia did not provide the soldiers of its proxy republics with new weapons, despite claiming that Ukrainian forces prepared to attack occupied Donbas areas for a year prior to Russian invasion. The milblogger also claimed that the Kremlin failed to mobilize and adequately prepare the next batch of reserves, while Ukrainian forces are successfully preparing their troops for counteroffensives. Girkin also criticized the Kremlin for failing to pay the DNR battalion for three months. Some milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces staged the video, but the video still gathered attention of pro-Russian Telegram users.[2]

The incident highlights a continuing shift in the Russian-language milblogger information space regardless of the video’s authenticity. Milbloggers would likely have either attacked or dismissed such a video loudly and in near-unison earlier in the war, when they all generally focused on presenting optimistic pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian narratives. The response to this video in the Russian-language milblogger space demonstrates the strong resonance anti-Kremlin narratives can now have. It is impossible to know what effect this change in this information space might have on general perceptions of the war in Russia, but it is one of the most visible and noteworthy inflections in the attitudes of previously strongly pro-Kremlin ostensibly independent Russian voices speaking to Russians that we have yet seen.

Today’s statement by DNR Militia Head Eduard Basurin explaining that Russian forces would focus on creating “smaller cauldrons” rather than on a single large encirclement is likely in part a response to a critique that surfaced both in the milblogger space and in the Russian Duma that Russian forces had failed to form and reduce “cauldrons” of the sort they used in 2014.[3] Basurin’s statement, along with other changes in the ways in which Russian officials have spoken about cauldrons and Russian operations in the east following those critiques suggest that the Russian and proxy leadership is sensitive to shifts in this information space.[4]

Russian forces are increasingly facing a deficiency in high-precision weaponry. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that due to an increasing lack of high-precision weapons Russian forces are seeking other methods of striking critical infrastructure and have intensified the use of aircraft to support offensives.[5] The Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) noted that up to 60% of Russia’s high-precision stockpile has already been exhausted, which is consistent with previous reports by Western defense officials that Russian forces have been increasingly relying on “dumb bombs” because they are facing challenges replenishing their supplies of precision munitions in part due to sanctions targeting Russia’s defense-industrial production.[6] A lack of high-precision weapons will likely result in an increase in indiscriminate attacks on critical and civilian infrastructure.

The Kremlin is attempting to expand the pool of Russian passport-holders in occupied areas. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on May 25 that will simplify the procedure for obtaining a Russian passport within Kherson and Zaporizhia Oblasts.[7] This renewed campaign of so-called ”mass passportization” is occurring in occupied territories and likely represents an effort to set conditions for some sort of post-conflict political arrangement (the precise form of which Putin prefers remains unclear) through manipulating access to Russian citizenship. Occupation authorities may additionally attempt to exploit this new decree to carry out covert mobilization in occupied areas, as having a Russian passport would make conscription-eligible residents of occupied territories subject to forced military service.

The Kremlin and Russian military commanders are introducing new regulations aimed at addressing the diminishing level of combat-ready reserves. The Russian State Duma and the Russian Federation Council passed a bill raising the maximum age for voluntary enlistment into the Russian military from 40 to 50.[9] Russian Telegram channels also reported that Russian leadership forced operational officers and commanders of the Russian Border Guards of southern Russian regions including Rostov Oblast and occupied Crimea to indefinitely cancel all summer vacations--a rather unsurprising step in light of the military situation in principle, but an indication of the next source of manpower to which Putin will apparently turn.[10] Russian Border Guards will reportedly deploy to training grounds for unspecified exercises in late May. The Ukrainian General Staff also reported that Russian forces are forming new reserve units within the Southern Military District.[11]

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Russian forces prioritized advances east and west of Popasna in order to cut Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) southwest of Severodonetsk and complete encirclement efforts in Luhansk Oblast.
Russian forces have likely entered Lyman and may use this foothold to coordinate with advances southeast of Izyum to launch an offensive on Siversk.
Russian forces may start the Battle of Severodonetsk prior to completely cutting off Ukrainian GLOCs southwest and northwest of Severodonetsk.
Russian forces struck Zaporizhzhia City in an attempt to disrupt a key logistics hub for Ukrainian forces operating in the east.  
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Main Effort—Eastern Ukraine

Subordinate Main Effort—Southern Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk Oblasts (Russian objective: Encircle Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine and capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas)

The Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Militia Head Eduard Basurin confirmed that Russian forces have adopted an approach of creating smaller cauldrons to deprive Ukrainian troops of logistics and reinforcements, rather than pursuing a single large-scale encirclement on the Donetsk Oblast administrative border.[12] ISW has previously assessed that Russian commanders have likely abandoned the objective of completing a large-scale encirclement of Ukrainian forces in Donbas.[13]

Russian forces prioritized three advances east and west of Popasna in an effort to cut Ukrainian GLOCs southwest of Severodonetsk and complete the Luhansk Oblast cauldron. Russian forces continued to advance east of Popasna to seize settlements on the T1303 highway to Lysyschansk, northeast to cut Ukrainian access to T1302 highway from Bakhmut to Lysychansk, and southwest along the T0504 highway from Popasna toward Bakhmut.[14] Russian forces reportedly made advances towards Bakhmut from Svitlodarsk, a settlement just north of Debaltseve, and continued heavy shelling likely in preparations for a ground offensive.[15]

Russian forces seem to be prioritizing efforts to cut the two highways to Severodonetsk over launching offensive operations on Bakhmut at this time.[16] Luhansk Oblast Administration Head Serhiy Haidai refuted reports that Russian forces had cut off or blocked the T1302 highway on May 25.[17] Russian forces are unlikely to completely isolate Ukrainian forces from GLOCs just by seizing the southwestern T1303 and T1302 highways to Severodonetsk given the network of alternate if smaller roads in the region and will need to block or disrupt Bakhmut and Siversk to complete the Luhansk cauldron.

Russian efforts to isolate Severodonetsk and Lysychansk may not be well synchronized in time and space with an impending direct Russian assault on Severdonetsk, although it is too soon to tell. The Russians are likely some days away from even cutting off the GLOCs to Severdonetsk and Lysychansk, and it would likely take some time for the disruption of those GLOCs to affect the cities’ defenders’ abilities to continue fighting. The intensity of Russian artillery and air attack, however, combined with the massing of Russian forces drawn from elsewhere in theater for the assault on Severodonetsk suggests that the assault could be launched before the GLOCs have been cut or before their disruption could have a material effect. The drive to cut the GLOCs could also be an effort to create an outer encirclement ring, however, to prevent Ukrainian forces from attempting to reinforce Severodonetsk as it is attacked or to relieve it if it is isolated or falls.

Russian forces may need to conduct a ground offensive on Severodonetsk in upcoming days to maintain their pace after committing a significant portion of personnel, artillery, aviation, and logistics to the front.[18] The Ukrainian Defense Ministry reported that Russian forces conducted offensive operations in the vicinity of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk on May 25.[19] Haidai stated that Russian forces will lose the momentum of their heavy shelling and motivation if they do not launch an attack on Severodonetsk by Sunday.[20] Haidai reported that Russian forces already committed over 10,000 troops - approximately 25 battalion tactical groups (BTGs) composed on 300 to 500 servicemen each - and military equipment including S-400 surface-to-air missile systems.[21] Russian military commanders likely had to withdraw these forces from other axes, slowing down Russian advances in Zaporizhia, Donetsk, and Kharkiv Oblasts. Russian forces have also reportedly reached mortar range of Severodonetsk.[22]

Russian forces continued unsuccessful attempts to improve tactical positions in the direction of Slovyansk and advance southeast of Izyum on May 25. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces unsuccessfully attempted to launch another ground assault on Dovhenke, approximately 18km south of Izyum.[23] Russian forces also tried to advance towards Lyman from the Izyum area but did not gain any new ground from this direction.[24]

Social media videos of Russian soldiers claiming to have entered Lyman from the east suggest that Ukrainian forces could have withdrawn from the settlement on May 25.[25] Russian forces in Izyum could possibly try to coordinate efforts with Russian units in Lyman to launch an offensive on Siversk, a settlement located on a major highway 30km west of Severodonetsk. An offensive on Siversk would assist Russian forces in cutting Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Severodonetsk from the northwest.

Russian forces unsuccessfully attempted to seize settlements east and west of Avdiivka, and did not achieve any territorial gains on Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border.[26] Russian forces reportedly shelled railway tracks near Avdiivka on May 25, likely to further shake up Ukrainian fortifications in the area.[27] Unconfirmed social media reports reiterated that Russian forces made advances to encircle Ukrainian positions from the northwest, but ISW cannot independently confirm these claims.[28]
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   Supporting Effort #1—Kharkiv City (Russian objective: Withdraw forces to the north and defend ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum)

Russian forces intensified artillery attacks against Ukrainian positions and focused on maintaining and regaining control of territory north of Kharkiv City on May 25.[29] The Ukrainian General Staff stated that Russian forces shelled Ternova, Ruski Tyshky, and Rubizhne and that Russian troops attempted a ground offensive near Ternova, indicating that control of settlements in northern Kharkiv Oblast remains contested.[30] Russian forces did not make any confirmed advances on this axis on May 25.
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Supporting Effort #2—Southern Axis (Objective: Defend Kherson against Ukrainian counterattacks)

Russian forces focused on improving their tactical positions and conducted air, rocket, missile, and artillery strikes along the Southern Axis on May 25.[31] Ukrainian Southern Operational Command reported that Russian troops clashed with Ukrainian defense in northeastern Mykolaiv Oblast while attempting to advance towards Kryvyi Rih.[32] Russian forces conducted a rocket strike against residential areas of Zaporizhzhia City, which the Russian Defense Ministry claimed was an attack on Ukrainian production workshops at the Motor Sich plant.[33] The direct attack on Zaporizhzhia City is likely intended to disrupt a key logistics hub for the Ukrainian army operating in the east. Russian forces additionally fired on areas Kryvyi Rih and elsewhere in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Mykolaiv, and Kherson Oblasts.[34] Ukrainian Southern Operational Command noted that the Russian grouping in Crimea continued to bolster air defense and deployed two additional S-400 anti-aircraft missile divisions to the northwestern part of Crimea.[35]
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 Activity in Russian-occupied areas (Russian objective: consolidate administrative control of occupied areas; set conditions for potential annexation into the Russian Federation or some other future political arrangement of Moscow’s choosing)

Occupation authorities continued to take measures to consolidate administrative control of occupied territories on May 25. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on May 25 that simplifies the procedure for obtaining Russian passports in Zaporizhia and Kherson Oblasts.[36] The Ukrainian Resistance Center referred to this decree as an attempt at “mass passportization,” which is likely an indicator that occupation authorities could seek to facilitate annexation directly into the Russian Federation and strengthen administrative control over occupied areas.[37] Russian occupiers in Kherson Oblast are reportedly trying to force locals into occupied areas to cooperate with occupation organs and are attempting to mobilize Ukrainians into the Russian army.[38] Russian forces around occupied Berdyansk and Vasylivka are reportedly blocking exits from the cities with concrete slabs, indicating that occupation authorities seek to stem the flow of people from occupied territories and allow for the implementation of further controls.[39]

Russian forces continued to strengthen occupation control in Mariupol on May 25. The Russian Defense Ministry claimed that Russian and proxy forces completed the demining of the seaport and that the city is beginning to function on more regular basis.[40] Advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko stated that authorities of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) are beginning a new policy in Mariupol wherein citizens will be eligible to directly obtain Russian passports without obtaining DNR passports.[41] Such “passportization” measures may be intended to further set conditions for the direct annexation of Mariupol into the Russian Federation. Occupation authorities additionally continued filtration and deportation measures in Mariupol under the supervision of Federal State Security (FSB) agents and Russian “volunteers.”[42]

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Russian forces are likely reinforcing their grouping north of Kharkiv City to prevent further advances of the Ukrainian counteroffensive towards the Russian border. Russan forces may commit elements of the 1st Tank Army to Northern Kharkiv in the near future.
Russian forces are prioritizing cutting off two major highways to Severodonetsk but may start to storm the city before they successfully cut GLOCs.
Occupation forces in Mariupol will continue to strengthen administrative control of the city but are likely unsure as to what the ultimate annexation policy will be.
Russian forces are likely preparing for Ukrainian counteroffensives and settling in for protracted operations in Southern Ukraine.
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The Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov has threatened Poland:
“Ukraine is already a closed issue. I'm interested in Poland.. we'll show what we are capable of in 6 seconds. Better get yr weapons (Poles)”
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Do it, faggot.   The Poles seem itching to enter the war, anyways.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 7:56:07 PM EDT
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Role of western intelligence under scrutiny, scale of release 'unprecedented' | DW News
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:02:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
LNR storming a Ukrainian trench, Happened in March or April near Novotoshkovskoye.  NSFW, a few notes.

LNR forces are at bottom of screen, Ukrainians near top.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uxrez5/storming_the_stronghold_by_the_forces_of_the_lnr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb





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Wow. That was raw, life and death COMBAT. I kept wanting the guy to climb out of the trench and run up on the orcs spraying them from above. But I bet the orcs had the top covered.

I hope all the orcs die alone, scared, knowing they are orcs rather than a hero defending his nation.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:04:34 PM EDT
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Do it, faggot.   The Poles seem itching to enter the war, anyways.
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That’s some shit I’d pay to see. Fuck em up Poland!
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:06:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SlipperyTuna:
The Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov has threatened Poland:
“Ukraine is already a closed issue. I'm interested in Poland.. we'll show what we are capable of in 6 seconds. Better get yr weapons (Poles)”
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:08:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


Yes, but it's the sanctions that have backfired, which was NATO's doing. They could undo some of them - the oil and gas prohibitions. A lot of companies in the EU have already submitted to the gas-for-rubles scheme. Hungary & Italy depend on the fuel.
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Italy is way too deep into China and Russia for my taste. It’s a game of chicken as far as the sanctions. Moscow trying to see if the pain hurts Europe before Russia. Time will tell.
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I normally don't watch much CNN but saw this yesterday.  I am not sure how credible the Colonel is, but he laid out the strategy that he thinks the Russians have.  Control the coast of Ukraine and choke off their ability to export crops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOpAdy8cLzg
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Originally Posted By mbinky:
Rght now I think UA is just trading land for time.  I don’t expect to see any large scale counteroffensives until late summer, early fall.  

I believe UA is building a very large force but that takes time.  It has been 3 months, about 12 weeks.  Assuming they started training new forces on the day of the invasion that still does not mean they are ready to go.  

I have no idea how long a UA soldiers boot camp is but I imagine they aren’t just handing them a uniform and a rife and sending them to the front.  Not if they want to win anyway.  And not only do they need the training, the need the equipment.  Helmets, boots, individual weapons.  Word is they are trying to field a million man army.  Thats a lot of equipment.

I did a little googling on how long it took the US to basically train a force drone WWII.  From recruit to theater.  If UA is training anywhere close to this (which I assume they are; they seem to follow the western model of training your troops and not the Russian model of just tossing them into the fray).

Found this interesting post on Reddit.

"The length and rigor of training of units was not based upon their composition, but upon their type and role. I’ll use Infantry branch units and replacements as an example, since I have the most documentation on them. Part of the below is taken from an older answer. On February 16, 1942, General Headquarters, U.S. Army (which would give way a month later to the Army Ground Forces, Army Service Forces, and Army Air Forces) dictated 44 weeks (a hair over 10 months) as the period necessary to prepare an newly-activated infantry division for combat. The specified training period was reduced to 35 weeks beginning on November 1, 1942:

Training Length:

Basic and Individual Training
13 weeks

Small Unit Training
11 weeks

Combined Arms Training
11 weeks

On January. 5, 1943, combined arms training was lengthened by a week to allow for more time to conduct a regiment-sized (with one battalion of the regiment utilizing live ammunition) "battle" exercise supported by tank, tank destroyer, and field artillery units. On February 4, 1943, small unit training was lengthened by a week to incorporate new exercises which involved infiltration, close combat, and combat in cities. On April 28, 1943, the War Department mandated that all combat troops complete a course in "transition" firing before moving from basic rifle training to combat exercises. This lengthened basic and individual training by a week;

Training Length:

Basic and Individual Training
14 weeks

Small Unit Training
12 weeks

Combined Arms Training
12 weeks


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What you are failing to understand, that Ukraine already does understand is that they don't have time. There is not an option of giving up land to build up a bigger force. First you need to grasp the fact of "Russia is just blowing its load" is false or past-tense at this stage. Russia has very much learned from there mistakes at the first month of this war. VERY much learned. They are now fighting like a cohesive Combined Arms with strategy, and they are taking land EVERY day. UKRAINE, for the last 5 to 6 days has not been able to stop advances in very strategic places that is imperative for Ukraine to keep. There is no time to spare while they "build up" a force, as you say to stop the Russian onslaught. IF Russia takes DONETSK AND LUHANSK republics then Russia has won. And by all info available as of today it very much looks like that is going to happen, even if russia goes beyond those boundaries and are stopped by Ukraine russia has won this war. You are failing to realize as many are, even world leaders that if Ukraine cannot hold onto those regions NOW. There is no getting them back and a Ukraine that's smaller than Ukraine the day before this invasion started is no Ukraine at all. And the war is lost. Russia will announce they won the war, everythibg will calm down, Ukraine will be smaller and the west's support will come to a stop or close to it.  Then it's back to other world problems and elections and the russo-ukraine war will be old news


I'd have to disagree wholeheartedly with this assessment. First, the UK MOD posting from earlier today seems to indicate that the Russian advances in virtually all areas have stalled. That could be because Ukraine is getting better at stopping them, terrain is working against the Russians, the Russians are running out of massed artillery fire ability (destroyed or no ammo) or some combination thereof (most likely). Next, the Ukrainians appear to be taking a send-it kind of approach to the western gear. When they get a group trained up on it, they send it to "today's" hot spot to integrate with the existing units. How well that works depends on whether 1-5 guns is going to be decisive to thwart a specific localized Russian advance. Third, the Russians aren't really advancing as much as they are flattening anything ahead of them then claiming "success". This tactic doesn't help them "win" or maintain control over the region and, in fact, is counter-productive to that control. They already know they don't have the money to rebuild, re-settle ethnic Russians into a bombed-out area, and try to integrate now-destroyed cities and towns into Russia's SOI. Finally, since the loss-rate of Russian troops and equipment appears to be a multiple of Ukrainian losses, that doesn't lend itself to being able to sustain a war of attrition, it detracts from it. Every day Russia loses more men and materiel, their economy erodes further, and their status as a pariah nation becomes more solidified.

If, as some reports suggest, that the big Russian offensive in the east has, in fact, failed, then Russia is guaranteed to lose the war. Even if the Russian advance is slowed to a crawl, they don't have the wherewithal to maintain a crawl pace long enough to consolidate control of the east or the south. It appears to be a pipe dream at this point.



It's also worth noting that Russia's initial goals were to take Kiev and install a puppet. That failed...miserably. They have already lost their main objective. Ukraine's objective is to maintain sovereignty. Even if they lose some territory, they have already won that objective.  

Victory in this case may not be black and white, but in the gray area- Ukraine has already won and Russia lost...even if they both sides don't get/lose every objective.



I normally don't watch much CNN but saw this yesterday.  I am not sure how credible the Colonel is, but he laid out the strategy that he thinks the Russians have.  Control the coast of Ukraine and choke off their ability to export crops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOpAdy8cLzg


Russia has many strategies, always. One goal is to control the coast but the best they can do is keep what they have there. No way they are getting Odessa
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Originally Posted By SlipperyTuna:
The Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov has threatened Poland:
“Ukraine is already a closed issue. I'm interested in Poland.. we'll show what we are capable of in 6 seconds. Better get yr weapons (Poles)”
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Not sure if misinformed, propaganda, or a fucking literal retard.

Eta. My family is from about 30 miles over the border from Lviv area. Come and fucking get it.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:21:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Belarusian troops will start manoeuvres near the border with Ukraine tomorrow. Special operations forces of Belarus and aviation will take part in the training. Troops will be trained to cross the water barrier with the support of helicopters and fighters.

As a reminder, Belarus is an ally of Russia. From the territory of this country, Russian troops attacked Kyiv and fired on our territory."

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Putins been trying to get BeloRussia involved for 3 months. Belorussian troops won’t go. If they cross the border it will be sf or something small.

The reality is that Russias own policy of keeping border countries weak has backfired here. They couldn’t do shit if they wanted too. Belos forces are akin to UA in 2014. Token army/Air Force with a moderate internal security force meant to keep Luky in power.
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"Israel rejected a US request to allow Germany to supply Ukraine with German-made missiles with Israeli technology.
Israel is concerned about the possibility of Russian soldiers being killed by Israeli weapons, which might push Russia to harm Israeli interests in Syria."

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I saw this is a good time to remind them who pays for there defense. Either on our team or not.
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Yeah no it still had bits of blood and fur so I’m pretty sure it wasn’t ham.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:25:07 PM EDT
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Hk
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Originally Posted By SlipperyTuna:
The Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov has threatened Poland:
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Lol bro.

Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:30:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SlipperyTuna:
The Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov has threatened Poland:
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What a fuckin cock tease. Absolutely madman delusional or fuck idk.
Pretty please with cherries on top, thank you.
Some well deserved dirt naps would be issued. The birds would sing, the air would smell better, what a wonderful world.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:31:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


Yes, but it's the sanctions that have backfired, which was NATO's doing. They could undo some of them - the oil and gas prohibitions. A lot of companies in the EU have already submitted to the gas-for-rubles scheme. Hungary & Italy depend on the fuel.
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


Yes, but it's the sanctions that have backfired, which was NATO's doing. They could undo some of them - the oil and gas prohibitions. A lot of companies in the EU have already submitted to the gas-for-rubles scheme. Hungary & Italy depend on the fuel.



Pain from sanctions in Russia haven't even started yet. It will.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:31:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zx2man:


What a fuckin cock tease. Absolutely madman delusional or fuck idk.
Pretty please with cherries on top, thank you.
Some well deserved dirt naps would be issued. The birds would sing, the air would smell better, what a wonderful world.
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Originally Posted By SlipperyTuna:
The Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov has threatened Poland:
“Ukraine is already a closed issue. I'm interested in Poland.. we'll show what we are capable of in 6 seconds. Better get yr weapons (Poles)”


What a fuckin cock tease. Absolutely madman delusional or fuck idk.
Pretty please with cherries on top, thank you.
Some well deserved dirt naps would be issued. The birds would sing, the air would smell better, what a wonderful world.



what would you expect from a Russian agent.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:46:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:


Russia is in trouble, they are sending t62s to staging areas in Russia.
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Source please. Genuinely interested.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 8:59:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DOW:


Source please. Genuinely interested.
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Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:


Russia is in trouble, they are sending t62s to staging areas in Russia.


Source please. Genuinely interested.


There's videos and photos of a "Tank Train" moving through Russia that surfaced yesterday. It has maybe 50 T-62s on flatcars...
The videos showed up at different times, from different people. Twitter, Reddit, Telegram

Here's one

Are they actually going to try and use them? Who knows. I guess we'll find out for sure the first time a Stugna P turns one inside out

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That's the video that was posted to Twitter yesterday
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Originally Posted By zx2man:


What a fuckin cock tease. Absolutely madman delusional or fuck idk.
Pretty please with cherries on top, thank you.
Some well deserved dirt naps would be issued. The birds would sing, the air would smell better, what a wonderful world.
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There's a video of him saying it on Telegram. I'm having trouble linking it.
Edit:  Here it is
https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/8993
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:


There's videos and photos of a "Tank Train" moving through Russia that surfaced yesterday. It has maybe 50 T-62s on flatcars...
The videos showed up at different times, from different people. Twitter, Reddit, Telegram

Here's one

Are they actually going to try and use them? Who knows. I guess we'll find out for sure the first time a Stugna P turns one inside out

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kc7fLhnxb8
That's the video that was posted to Twitter yesterday
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Originally Posted By DOW:
Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:


Russia is in trouble, they are sending t62s to staging areas in Russia.


Source please. Genuinely interested.


There's videos and photos of a "Tank Train" moving through Russia that surfaced yesterday. It has maybe 50 T-62s on flatcars...
The videos showed up at different times, from different people. Twitter, Reddit, Telegram

Here's one

Are they actually going to try and use them? Who knows. I guess we'll find out for sure the first time a Stugna P turns one inside out

-edit-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kc7fLhnxb8
That's the video that was posted to Twitter yesterday



Clearly they're moving them for a reason. Incredibly significant.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 9:22:19 PM EDT
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Whaaaaat - you think the Duma actually called any of these shots?
I am left with the idea you have no concept of how the power structure in Russia works, how the army is structured, what the leaders even did.

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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
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Following the reports of the legislative process in Russia, it appears the Duma appealed for some time for Putin to Recognize independence of the Dombass. When he finally accepted the resolution, they only authorized this "Special Military Operation", which they distinguish from an invasion or declaration of war. Apparently that leaves Putin with a limited call-up.
Whaaaaat - you think the Duma actually called any of these shots?
I am left with the idea you have no concept of how the power structure in Russia works, how the army is structured, what the leaders even did.

From what I've read, he's right in that Putin has limited powers without Duma approval for declaring war.  However, you right in that Putin exerts much control over the Duma in that he could get them to do so.

So not declaring war is part of Putin's strategy, probably to keep all foreign troops in Ukraine fighting for Ukraine.  How long will this last, and Putin will seek a declaration of war which he'll get is anyone's guess.  Many were predict he would right after their May day celebration, but that didn't happen.
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

Yes, they sent the vdv to take the airport, and did nothing to support them, so the lost the airport and the troops. They were not greeted with bread and salt, instead, they got their asses kicked with their 20km long convoys that were savaged by Ukrainian special forces.  They wanted Kyiv, and fucked up badly trying to get it.
As far as the election, you probably believe our 2020 election was impressive and fair too.
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LOL, right

But the same OSCE, represented by 57 member countries, that called the Russian invasion "state terrorism"? They all trusted Russia then?
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


No, I said they appealed to Putin, because they did. They do enact legislation, you know. According to their Constitution, Putin could dissolve the Duma if he wanted to, but he hasn't.
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That's simply not how it works de facto.  They propose and enact what they are told so as to make things appear de jure.  Somebody loves him some Pravda talking points, it appears. ;)

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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

NATO doesn't want instability. This whole situation is making the Europeans very anxious and they convey that to Washington D.C. Also, putting out feelers helps you gauge an opponent and helps assess them. How does Russia react? Kind of a waste of time imo though as neither Kiev or Moscow want to compromise and the Pentagon acknowledged that reality today in a press release. I don't see Kiev taking Crimea by Christmas but as of now that's their outspoken goal.https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-united-states-peace-deal-terms-1709282?amp=1https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/164F7DE5-F490-49D7-8671-ED029F44A07B_jpe-2397073.JPG
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Newsweek's written English not that great?  "Rather" is not a good choice of word to start that sentence.
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Originally Posted By DOW:



Clearly they're moving them for a reason. Incredibly significant.
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Originally Posted By DOW:
Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:


Russia is in trouble, they are sending t62s to staging areas in Russia.


Source please. Genuinely interested.


There's videos and photos of a "Tank Train" moving through Russia that surfaced yesterday. It has maybe 50 T-62s on flatcars...
The videos showed up at different times, from different people. Twitter, Reddit, Telegram

Here's one

Are they actually going to try and use them? Who knows. I guess we'll find out for sure the first time a Stugna P turns one inside out

-edit-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kc7fLhnxb8
That's the video that was posted to Twitter yesterday



Clearly they're moving them for a reason. Incredibly significant.


The shit on that train is 50 years old at a minimum... LoL

If you shoot one of them with a Javelin, it will probably smoke some dude eating lunch on the other side of the earth.

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Thinking about it.:
It's not like the T-90s and 80s have faired all that great. Maybe they have just started thinking of them as heavy gun trucks...
If so, the 62 is a perfectly adequate gun truck. Assuming the ammo still goes bang.
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:
Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

NATO doesn't want instability. This whole situation is making the Europeans very anxious and they convey that to Washington D.C. Also, putting out feelers helps you gauge an opponent and helps assess them. How does Russia react? Kind of a waste of time imo though as neither Kiev or Moscow want to compromise and the Pentagon acknowledged that reality today in a press release. I don't see Kiev taking Crimea by Christmas but as of now that's their outspoken goal.https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-united-states-peace-deal-terms-1709282?amp=1https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-05-25/eu-cracks-widen-over-ukraine-as-italy-hungary-urge-truce?context=amphttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/164F7DE5-F490-49D7-8671-ED029F44A07B_jpe-2397073.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/EB39BE54-EBC1-4E2E-8DA4-0008C8D98880_jpe-2397077.JPG
Both of those countries have been saying that for awhile now.  That seems like republished, old news since the it's dated today.  The key is Germany, France, and UK and whether they are taking an openly stance for truce through compromise on Ukraine.

I believe Germany is, but is hiding behind Hungary's skirt in order not to be public about it.  UK is probably opposite, and France is probably fencing sitting as they usually do.

If the Poles go into Ukraine, UK will probably do so in some way as well.

However, I should restate my belief that SAS and US SOGs are already in Ukraine in some capacity, and that our F-22 have been flying in Ukraine airspace to test the capabilities and gather intelligence of russia's S-400 SAM system (and probably F-35s as well). I'm not saying these US jets are flying over S-400 batteries or in the heart of Ukraine, just skirting on the outside of their range while ELINT and Sentry aircraft gather intelligence on the S-400.  USA would be foolish not to do this.

That is probably why a handful of NATO countries are taking turns at ELINT and Sentry duty.  They want to make sure USA shares the data.  It must be working because there's definitely an increase in the desire of purchasing F-35s right now.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
LNR storming a Ukrainian trench, Happened in March or April near Novotoshkovskoye.  NSFW, a few notes.

LNR forces are at bottom of screen, Ukrainians near top.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uxrez5/storming_the_stronghold_by_the_forces_of_the_lnr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb





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LNR storming a Ukrainian trench, Happened in March or April near Novotoshkovskoye.  NSFW, a few notes.

LNR forces are at bottom of screen, Ukrainians near top.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uxrez5/storming_the_stronghold_by_the_forces_of_the_lnr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

Damn that Ukrainian soldier put up one hell of a fight before the final grenade finally got him. Looked like he was wounded and exhausted before that. Crazy grenade duel, proper gutsy stuff from both sides fighting like they’re in the trenches of WW1.

Just noticed about 20 seconds in you see another Ukrainian soldier running down the trench before coming head on with the LNR storming party and getting shot. Insane footage.  


I wanna say that soldier held them off long enough for the others to retreat. That’s a warrior.  


It takes 8 russians and 24 grenades to take out a Ukrainian. Good luck with that Comrade. Y’all are f’d.  

Holy hell that was good. Terrible good.
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Never thought I'd say that - but yes.  You want to be on Team West?  You are going to have to do your part.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 9:37:53 PM EDT
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They have vital resources which cannot be competitively replaced. They have virtually no debt. The Ruble is the best performing currency on the planet. Putin's favorability has gone up.
They may miss Burger King though.

Sanctions have never worked as designed - from old Cuba to the present. If they haven't kicked in by now, I'm skeptical that they will. Sure they will have a higher inflation rate, but it won't be even close to we and the EU are currently experiencing. FFS, we needed foreign aid to make sure babies were fed!

The administration doesn't seem to ask "then what?" before they take these types of actions.
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Both of those countries have been saying that for awhile now.  That seems like republished, old news since the it's dated today.  The key is Germany, France, and UK and whether they are taking an openly stance for truce through compromise on Ukraine.

I believe Germany is, but is hiding behind Hungary's skirt in order not to be public about it.  UK is probably opposite, and France is probably fencing sitting as they usually do.

If the Poles go into Ukraine, UK will probably do so in some way as well.
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Agree but this is why Kiev is so frustrated. No, not new news but I wanted to post a reminder. https://www.politico.eu/article/europes-leaders-fall-out-of-key-on-ukraine/amp/Attachment Attached File
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Putin probably is reluctant to bring Belarus into the invasion as that would bring it to a multi-national invasion of Ukraine. If Belarus goes into Ukraine, I expect Poland to counter with their forces.

Brits are already talking about using their Navy for a safe passage of commerce ships in the Black Sea. Big question is whether Turkey will grant them an exception to the closure of the straits. Turkey has been playing both sides and is not a consistent ally of NATO.  No wonder because russia is Turkey's largest source of energy, and it's one of their major export markets.  Russia is also one of the two biggest sources for tourists along with Germany.

Germany is fatigued with suppling arms to Ukraine and taking a hit on their economy, more so than they have been.  Polling in the USA is showing that Americans are getting tired of sacrificing their economy for Ukraine.  Stupid sheeple because they have to contend with Biden wrecking the economy no matter what.  Biden probably would prefer the russian invasion to go on up to the re-election season to give me something to blame rather than his disastrous polices.

If he cannot blame the Ukraine invasion for the economy while campaigning for re-election, I think his chances go from slim to slim to none.
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Our leaders are idiots though much of the support likely isnt what is killing our economy.  It can be done without economic damage but that would require competent leaders.
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