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Originally Posted By stone-age: It won't be long before we have some kind of big, fast UAVs with microwaves or something specifically for hunting down and burning up other UAVs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Dracster: "Minus the Russian UAV ZALA Air units of the 30th separate mechanized brigade shot down an enemy ZALA UAV with small arms 5.45 For all about all the costs of BC: one store (30 rounds)! Glory to Ukraine! " https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_10-58-55_jpg-2390573.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_11-00-16_jpg-2390574.JPG It won't be long before we have some kind of big, fast UAVs with microwaves or something specifically for hunting down and burning up other UAVs. Won’t be large ones, but yeah that and so much more. |
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In the real world off-campus, good marksmanship trumps good will.
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Originally Posted By Prime:
View Quote Can we provide some sort of description to save us from spending a minute or two to watch video of an empty street? |
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Not to get too far off topic, but what is the difference between the US Patriot system and Israel's Iron Dome?
Iron dome seems to work great against incoming rockets. Is the Patriot more of an anti-aircraft/ballistic missile system? I remember Ukraine requesting Iron Dome but Israel has said no so far. |
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Originally Posted By burnka871: I'd like to call bullshit but those dudes look awfully proud of themselves View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By mbinky: If true the Russians ain't sending their best lol. https://i.postimg.cc/MGN38702/Screen-Shot-2022-05-20-at-3-48-00-PM.png I'd like to call bullshit but those dudes look awfully proud of themselves Shit. Eating. Grins. |
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Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: I see you have been involved at some level in the current US Weapons Procurement process as well! It is somewhat surprising and humbling when you look at the control stations or open the maintenance panels on a new version of a weapons system system on which you had previously been an SME and realize you are absolutely ignorant regarding how to operate or maintain the "upgraded" version. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Better than s-400. It can have 3 types of missiles for various anti air and anti ballistic missile work. Under the hood not the same system as Gulf War 1. https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/what-we-do/counter-uas/sensors/global-patriot-solutions Russians make small changes and change the name for marketing. “Da! Su-35 is all new world beater! Only slightly resemble older aircraft on outside!” The US be like “The new buy of Patriot missiles and the Super hornet are evolutionary, Congressman, and don’t need the sort of oversight that a new program would require, or a recompetition of the program.” I see you have been involved at some level in the current US Weapons Procurement process as well! It is somewhat surprising and humbling when you look at the control stations or open the maintenance panels on a new version of a weapons system system on which you had previously been an SME and realize you are absolutely ignorant regarding how to operate or maintain the "upgraded" version. This lol. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By mbinky: Not to get too far off topic, but what is the difference between the US Patriot system and Israel's Iron Dome? Iron dome seems to work great against incoming rockets. Is the Patriot more of an anti-aircraft/ballistic missile system? I remember Ukraine requesting Iron Dome but Israel has said no so far. View Quote Patriot is on a much bigger and longer range scale, and it is anti anything that flies. Iron dome works great against katyusha rockets and maybe cruise missiles and drones, but it's not going to intercept Iksander ballistic missiles and clear the airspace over a much wider area. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Alleged shootdown of a Ukrainian aircraft.
Good news is if it is true they say the pilot got out. https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/13387 |
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Originally Posted By mbinky: Not to get too far off topic, but what is the difference between the US Patriot system and Israel's Iron Dome? Iron dome seems to work great against incoming rockets. Is the Patriot more of an anti-aircraft/ballistic missile system? I remember Ukraine requesting Iron Dome but Israel has said no so far. View Quote Iron Dome is a low altitude CRAM system, while Patriot is an area air defense system. |
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In the real world off-campus, good marksmanship trumps good will.
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Ukranian article on the Patriots: LINK
...As part of a new package of financial and military assistance, Ukraine will receive from the United States long-range artillery systems and Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems, which the Ukrainian authorities asked so much to close the sky from Russian aviation and missiles... View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Prime: Alleged shootdown of a Ukrainian aircraft. Good news is if it is true they say the pilot got out. https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/13387 View Quote I've seen better bigfoot flying a UFO videos. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Frank_B: Ukranian article on the Patriots: LINK ...As part of a new package of financial and military assistance, Ukraine will receive from the United States long-range artillery systems and Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems, which the Ukrainian authorities asked so much to close the sky from Russian aviation and missiles... I'm starting to wonder if Ukrainians were being trained up on the system some time ago to be able to use the system. |
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View Quote Oh, man, that's gonna put an onion in Vlad's Cheerios. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I'm starting to wonder if Ukrainians were being trained up on the system some time ago to be able to use the system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Frank_B: Ukranian article on the Patriots: LINK ...As part of a new package of financial and military assistance, Ukraine will receive from the United States long-range artillery systems and Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems, which the Ukrainian authorities asked so much to close the sky from Russian aviation and missiles... I'm starting to wonder if Ukrainians were being trained up on the system some time ago to be able to use the system. If not, I'm not sure how it would work. Operated by contractors? Or else a time to deploy of what, 4-6 months with intensive training? |
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A post earlier from UA weapons mentioned the Iranian mortars, this one mentions Chinese type 56 AK’s also. I vaguely remember an article in the not too distant past about the seizure of the Yemeni ship with pics of weapons on the deck.
Good to see we aren’t letting them go to waste. I assume all of the rifles are in 7.62x39? Any Type 56’s in 5.45? Or will this be another ammo type Ukraine has to keep up with? I imagine they have some around but 5.45 seems more prevalent. “🇺🇲🇺🇦⚡️The US has reportedly supplied Chinese Type-56 rifles and Iranian HM-19 mortars to Ukraine which were previously captured from an intercepted ship heading to Yemen.” Telegram Link |
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It’s apparent now that Ukraine will retain most of its territory after the war, if not all, so it’s time to start working on systems that may enter service after the war. They can pay us with their gas money.
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Originally Posted By Dracster: "The United States will provide Ukraine with its MIM-104 Patriot anti-aircraft missile system The Washington Post reports that this is provided by the aid package adopted yesterday. MIM-104 Patriot has a high combat capability and is the main anti-missile and air system in the arsenal of the US Army." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_13-49-58_jpg-2390820.JPG View Quote Now we’re cooking with gas. The Russians better stay on the damn ground. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Originally Posted By grambosc: Better late than never. Could have made a huge difference if they had had it months ago though! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By Dracster: "The United States will provide Ukraine with its MIM-104 Patriot anti-aircraft missile system The Washington Post reports that this is provided by the aid package adopted yesterday. MIM-104 Patriot has a high combat capability and is the main anti-missile and air system in the arsenal of the US Army." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_13-49-58_jpg-2390820.JPG Better late than never. Could have made a huge difference if they had had it months ago though! Really would have. They are kind of a “no fly zone in a box”. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Originally Posted By mbinky: If true the Russians ain't sending their best lol. https://i.postimg.cc/MGN38702/Screen-Shot-2022-05-20-at-3-48-00-PM.png View Quote OK, that takes balls. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I'm starting to wonder if Ukrainians were being trained up on the system some time ago to be able to use the system. View Quote In my opinion the US and allies should be thinking ahead and treating this war like it will last at least a year. Start bringing in Ukrainian troops to train up on the systems that are long lead, systems they don't currently have but could be supplied in the next 6 months or longer. So when the day comes they are supplied they have troops that have a good bit of training and can operate them effectively. Even if UA never joins NATO it's virtually assured they will be equipped with NATO weapons when all is said and done. May as well get started now. |
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Originally Posted By Zam18th: Same. I figured it was just paying for the system to be exchanged with a NATO country but fingers crossed. If not, I'm not sure how it would work. Operated by contractors? Or else a time to deploy of what, 4-6 months with intensive training? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Frank_B: Ukranian article on the Patriots: LINK ...As part of a new package of financial and military assistance, Ukraine will receive from the United States long-range artillery systems and Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems, which the Ukrainian authorities asked so much to close the sky from Russian aviation and missiles... I'm starting to wonder if Ukrainians were being trained up on the system some time ago to be able to use the system. If not, I'm not sure how it would work. Operated by contractors? Or else a time to deploy of what, 4-6 months with intensive training? This is my theory, we had the Russian buildup a year ago, so perhaps a plan was in place to have Ukraine ready to train up on this system after that event. I'd be curious what missiles the Patriots would have. Older but 160km range PAC2 GEM+, or the PAC 3, or PAC 3 MSE. |
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Originally Posted By R0N: It all depends, If using smart/guided or brilliant rounds it takes one round. If using ballistic a.k.a. dumb projectiles then there are a lot of variables something like 1500 that can go wrong that come in to play. If we assume the firing unit is doing everything right and meeting the five requirements for accurate predicted of fire then CEP is a function of range to target. It’s kind of random first round could get the tank or the 500th round. However, what this war is re-enforcing is really how lethal artillery is. There is a lot video of misses still have the desired effect, and we are see tanks brewing up from HE fragments that most would not have believed would have that effect on them based on peace time training and expectations. View Quote This right here. Personally, I had no idea that a near miss from arty could destroy a tank. p.s. can you define "CEP". Afraid that goodle will link me to some BDSM place... |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: This right here. Personally, I had no idea that a near miss from arty could destroy a tank. p.s. can you define "CEP". Afraid that goodle will link me to some BDSM place... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By R0N: It all depends, If using smart/guided or brilliant rounds it takes one round. If using ballistic a.k.a. dumb projectiles then there are a lot of variables something like 1500 that can go wrong that come in to play. If we assume the firing unit is doing everything right and meeting the five requirements for accurate predicted of fire then CEP is a function of range to target. It’s kind of random first round could get the tank or the 500th round. However, what this war is re-enforcing is really how lethal artillery is. There is a lot video of misses still have the desired effect, and we are see tanks brewing up from HE fragments that most would not have believed would have that effect on them based on peace time training and expectations. This right here. Personally, I had no idea that a near miss from arty could destroy a tank. p.s. can you define "CEP". Afraid that goodle will link me to some BDSM place... Circular Error Probable. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: define "CEP" View Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_error_probable There, follow that link and the goodles won't lead you into sin. |
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Slava Ukraini! "The only real difference between the men and the boys, is the number and size, and cost of their toys."
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Originally Posted By Dracster: "The United States will provide Ukraine with its MIM-104 Patriot anti-aircraft missile system The Washington Post reports that this is provided by the aid package adopted yesterday. MIM-104 Patriot has a high combat capability and is the main anti-missile and air system in the arsenal of the US Army." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_13-49-58_jpg-2390820.JPG View Quote Anyone have a link to the WaPo report? I didn't find it. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: How effective is artillery at actually hitting something the size of a tank? My 300 win mag has killed a groundhog at over 1,100 yards. That doesn't mean that my rifle is good at killing groundhogs at that distance regardless of how hard it hits them. View Quote It really depends on the situation. And I am basing this on my 20 year old understanding of artillery. Say have a good GTL (Gun target line) which means your battery is laid out parallel to say, a platoon of tanks. Two adjustment rounds and then a FFE (Fire for effect) takes roughly 12 minutes. That might be a six gun battery shooting three rounds each. Are you shooting VT (Variable time, so an air burst) or PD (Point detonation), so the round explodes when it hits whatever? PD will kill a tank if it hits it, damage if close. VT will mostly damage it with frag; optics, comms, engine, gun, tracks, etc. Now, in general, my experience has been a two round adjustment with a three round FFE, with an ideal GTL, will likely KIA one tank about 33% of the time and likely damage another. Repeat that a couple of times and the tank platoon ceases to exist. So 32-38 rounds kills or M or W kills a tank platoon (M - Maneuver kill or W - Weapons kill). But that is with a shit hot Forward Observer. And we haven’t even include DPICM or arty PGMs. Does that help? With drones providing near real-time video of damage we want catastrophic kills but if a tank is blind, or can’t fire it’s main gun, or can’t move, or has no comms, that is still a victory and we cannot see it from drone footage. ETA: My math was off above. |
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Mauripol, March or April, drone watching a Ukrainian tank and infantry comes under fire by mortars, and is pushed back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uu76po/an_attacking_ukrainian_group_with_a_tank_retreats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Originally Posted By mbinky: In my opinion the US and allies should be thinking ahead and treating this war like it will last at least a year. Start bringing in Ukrainian troops to train up on the systems that are long lead, systems they don't currently have but could be supplied in the next 6 months or longer. So when the day comes they are supplied they have troops that have a good bit of training and can operate them effectively. Even if UA never joins NATO it's virtually assured they will be equipped with NATO weapons when all is said and done. May as well get started now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mbinky: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I'm starting to wonder if Ukrainians were being trained up on the system some time ago to be able to use the system. In my opinion the US and allies should be thinking ahead and treating this war like it will last at least a year. Start bringing in Ukrainian troops to train up on the systems that are long lead, systems they don't currently have but could be supplied in the next 6 months or longer. So when the day comes they are supplied they have troops that have a good bit of training and can operate them effectively. Even if UA never joins NATO it's virtually assured they will be equipped with NATO weapons when all is said and done. May as well get started now. Absolutely. If we do this right, we will make an ally as close to us as Israel or the UK. We will be able to trade, sell weapons, have a welcoming place in Europe for US business and tourism… so many positives. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Originally Posted By mbinky: If true the Russians ain't sending their best lol. https://i.postimg.cc/MGN38702/Screen-Shot-2022-05-20-at-3-48-00-PM.png View Quote Smiling |
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"We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared so we may always be free." Ronald Reagan 1984
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Originally Posted By Dracster: "The United States will provide Ukraine with its MIM-104 Patriot anti-aircraft missile system The Washington Post reports that this is provided by the aid package adopted yesterday. MIM-104 Patriot has a high combat capability and is the main anti-missile and air system in the arsenal of the US Army." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_13-49-58_jpg-2390820.JPG View Quote |
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"We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared so we may always be free." Ronald Reagan 1984
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Originally Posted By mbinky: If true the Russians ain't sending their best lol. https://i.postimg.cc/MGN38702/Screen-Shot-2022-05-20-at-3-48-00-PM.png View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Dracster: "The United States will provide Ukraine with its MIM-104 Patriot anti-aircraft missile system The Washington Post reports that this is provided by the aid package adopted yesterday. MIM-104 Patriot has a high combat capability and is the main anti-missile and air system in the arsenal of the US Army." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_13-49-58_jpg-2390820.JPG View Quote I’d be a damn shame if they started getting link 16 tracks. |
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Originally Posted By Krater: Speculation is that Ukrainian police uncovered a "stay behind" cache prepared by UkrSF. Interesting factoid - the Chinese AKs in the cache were originally sold to Iran, which gave them to Houthis - but US has intercepted the shipment at sea. And now they are in Ukraine.
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"We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared so we may always be free." Ronald Reagan 1984
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: I’d be a damn shame if they started getting link 16 tracks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Dracster: "The United States will provide Ukraine with its MIM-104 Patriot anti-aircraft missile system The Washington Post reports that this is provided by the aid package adopted yesterday. MIM-104 Patriot has a high combat capability and is the main anti-missile and air system in the arsenal of the US Army." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_13-49-58_jpg-2390820.JPG I’d be a damn shame if they started getting link 16 tracks. I was wondering if and when they would be getting link or if just get info via voice |
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Originally Posted By sq40:
View Quote There’s a claim on a Telegram channel that he was officially listed as a “foreign agent” today in Moscow. Him and an exiled oligarch. |
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Originally Posted By Dracster: It had an engine and maybe a turret ring? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_11-31-55_jpg-2390595.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_11-31-53_jpg-2390596.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-20_11-31-52_jpg-2390597.JPG View Quote It blowed ups good! What was it? |
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Originally Posted By doc540: Texas City - more than "one incident" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/fertilizer2-2390507.jpg View Quote Oh, back in the 50's. Wonder how many trilliosn of tons have been handled between then and now incident free lol. |
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"Republic, I like the sound of the word. It means people can live free, talk free, go or come, buy or sell, be drunk or sober however they choose." John Wayne
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Originally Posted By Glock63: Oh, back in the 50's. Wonder how many trilliosn of tons have been handled between then and now incident free lol. View Quote Kind of like how flying commercial airlines is pretty much the safest way to travel, but when crashes happen its super gnarly and hundreds of people die horribly. |
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