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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:02:15 PM EDT
[#1]
12klbs towing capacity doesn't tell the entire story. Wider rear frame, and available with active variance shocks, air suspension, 360 degree cameras, straight-path assist mode for reverse, and nearly 600 ft-lbs with the hybrid.
It's not a 3/4 or 1-ton truck, but it looks like they got the message that if they want to sell trucks, they need to take towing more seriously. Since a lot of those are only options on the higher/highest trims, I guess that for a measly $70,000-$80,000, you can have a decent-towing Tundra. 
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:02:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg Toyota isn't the only one doing that. For some reason when it comes to trucks manufacturers think tan should be the only option for trim above the dash. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:02:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ford has the least big, gaudiest front end. It is more refined and tastefully done, in my opinion of course. http://images.trucknsale.com/pictures/141034831.jpg 2016-2020 I would agree. 2021 
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:03:41 PM EDT
[#4]
Front and rear are awful.
The interior looks like the inside of a 80s cartoon Transformer. They need to fire the design team. All of them. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:04:15 PM EDT
[#5]
Holy fucking shit, lowering the tailgate on the truck is soooo difficult, let's automate it.
 
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:04:20 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg They stole that idea from Lexus. Even then, they couldn’t get it right… |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:04:23 PM EDT
[#7]
As much as I hate the grill, I actually like the rest of the truck.
I want all of the new trucks. I have a Cybertruck on preorder but it won't come in until 2030 probably. I have a Lightning on preorder but starting to worry about the range...they say 300 and reviewers say more like 450 but I need the latter AND it weighs 1000# more than a current 150. I take my current truck off-road often and another half ton won't help. We are generally a Toyota/Lexus family and the only reason I didnt buy Toyota for trucks was how behind the Tundra was. The TRD seems decently capable, coil rear, air ride, hydraulic cab mounts, along with an active suspension and Fox 2.5's. While I know it won't replace my Raptor, it might be a good intermediary before the Raptor R comes out. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:06:30 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota isn't the only one doing that. For some reason when it comes to trucks manufacturers think tan should be the only option for trim above the dash. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg Toyota isn't the only one doing that. For some reason when it comes to trucks manufacturers think tan should be the only option for trim above the dash. That's true on Ford and Ram lower trims, but that pic I posted is from the TRD Pro. Even my 2014 F150 had a black headliner. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:06:52 PM EDT
[#9]
So we have the raptor for Ford, tremor for doge... what's Toyota gonna do? The pterodactyl?
In before the pterodactyl model at 100k+ |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:07:01 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota isn't the only one doing that. For some reason when it comes to trucks manufacturers think tan should be the only option for trim above the dash. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg Toyota isn't the only one doing that. For some reason when it comes to trucks manufacturers think tan should be the only option for trim above the dash. My GX’s interior is black. Headliner, seats, trim, everything. With dark tinted windows, it’s an awesome place to spend time. Tan looks like shit. Even more when it’s part of a black, red and tan interior.
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:07:38 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 12klbs towing capacity doesn't tell the entire story. Wider rear frame, and available with active variance shocks, air suspension, 360 degree cameras, straight-path assist mode for reverse, and nearly 600 ft-lbs with the hybrid. It's not a 3/4 or 1-ton truck, but it looks like they got the message that if they want to sell trucks, they need to take towing more seriously. Since a lot of those are only options on the higher/highest trims, I guess that for a measly $70,000-$80,000, you can have a decent-towing Tundra. The stingy max payload is what's going to limit towing which is the usual downfall on US bound Toyotas. I'm sure the new driveline has more than enough to keep up with others who have higher claimed towing, but starting at sub 2k max payload isn't enough to keep it legal. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:07:49 PM EDT
[#12]
What a goofy looking front end
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:07:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Front and rear are awful. The interior looks like the inside of a 80s cartoon Transformer. They need to fire the design team. All of them. Some of us like 80's 90's interiors ;) My 06' has it. I want to the see the sr model hopefully at the state fair, double cab 8 foot bed and hopefully a column shifter. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:14:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 12klbs towing capacity doesn't tell the entire story. Wider rear frame, and available with active variance shocks, air suspension, 360 degree cameras, straight-path assist mode for reverse, and nearly 600 ft-lbs with the hybrid. It's not a 3/4 or 1-ton truck, but it looks like they got the message that if they want to sell trucks, they need to take towing more seriously. Since a lot of those are only options on the higher/highest trims, I guess that for a measly $70,000-$80,000, you can have a decent-towing Tundra. What's the payload? Toyota has always inflated tow numbers because their payload is non existent. Sure, the rating says 9k lb towing but you ain't putting 10% on that tongue with a driver. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:20:31 PM EDT
[#15]
They even made the center console shittier! |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:24:06 PM EDT
[#16]
Looks like the payload hasn't changed much so you can kiss those tow ratings goodbye.
Max payload is 1,940 lbs, which would be on the lightest version they offer. So single cab, 2wd, bare bones options. A typical max cab 4wd setup is going to add 600lbs or so. So I'd estimate the typical tundra will have a payload capacity of 1,300 lbs, maybe less. Honda Ridgeline has 1,500 to 1,600 https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/tundra/2022/ |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:26:49 PM EDT
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What cracks me up about these new gargantuan grills:
Most of the area behind the external grill is solid. The engine doesn't need that much opening for cooling.... the sole purpose of that big yawning gap is simply to look dumb. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:30:32 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg That’s some Snooped out pimp daddy shit right there… Along with that ugly ass grill. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:31:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted: 12k towing capacity. What's the payload capacity? |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:36:02 PM EDT
[#20]
Let's hope this model doesn't stick around as long as the gen 2
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:41:55 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the payload hasn't changed much so you can kiss those tow ratings goodbye. Max payload is 1,940 lbs, which would be on the lightest version they offer. So single cab, 2wd, bare bones options. A typical max cab 4wd setup is going to add 600lbs or so. So I'd estimate the typical tundra will have a payload capacity of 1,300 lbs, maybe less. Honda Ridgeline has 1,500 to 1,600 https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/tundra/2022/ No single cab option available, so I'd guess total payload for most trims will be slightly higher. But we are also adding panoramic sunroofs and the like which all weigh a considerable amount. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:44:17 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg Is that a photoshop? Looks like Dracula's pickup truck. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:45:15 PM EDT
[#23]
Poor thing looks like it is choking on a Lexus.
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:45:26 PM EDT
[#24]
Toyota has really outdone themselves. I am impressed! I didn’t think they could make it any uglier, but they pulled it off.
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:45:40 PM EDT
[#25]
That's terrible.
put a NSFW tag on there ooof |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:46:54 PM EDT
[#26]
Wow…that’s bad. I couldn’t even make it through all the pics.
Maybe it looks better in person. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:48:40 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted: So we have the raptor for Ford, tremor for doge... what's Toyota gonna do? The pterodactyl? In before the pterodactyl model at 100k+ Ram is the TRX (t-rex). Seeing this, the Toyota model would be the Mosasaurus Quoted: What cracks me up about these new gargantuan grills: Most of the area behind the external grill is solid. The engine doesn't need that much opening for cooling.... the sole purpose of that big yawning gap is simply to look dumb. Agree. Ford currently uses "active shutters" that close the top and bottom grills when at speed. I dont get it, because in a day where they fight for MPG, they make the front less aerodynamic and worse for airflow across the front |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:48:48 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the payload hasn't changed much so you can kiss those tow ratings goodbye. Max payload is 1,940 lbs, which would be on the lightest version they offer. So single cab, 2wd, bare bones options. A typical max cab 4wd setup is going to add 600lbs or so. So I'd estimate the typical tundra will have a payload capacity of 1,300 lbs, maybe less. Honda Ridgeline has 1,500 to 1,600 https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/tundra/2022/ Ooof |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:49:42 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ford front end is acres of grill with cheap looking headlights. Higher end trim models with lots of chrome just make it look worse. Ram has the best front end currently, even in higher trim levels that have lots of chrome like this Laramie: https://di-uploads-pod13.dealerinspire.com/connorschryslerdodgejeepram/uploads/2020/10/2021-RAM-1500-Laramie.jpg Yeah gonna have to say Ram knocked it out of the park in the looks dept. Toyota had a chance to nail it and they gone and fucked up.. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:51:41 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that a photoshop? Looks like Dracula's pickup truck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh holy fuck, they couldn't even be bothered to put a fucking black headliner in it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58021/01969ADA-59B8-4ED0-B794-8D10B8036AB2-2097764.jpg Is that a photoshop? Looks like Dracula's pickup truck. It reminds me of a mid 80's Corvette a friend's dad bought new. I thought it was gaudy then. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:52:06 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ram is the TRX (t-rex). Seeing this, the Toyota model would be the Mosasaurus Agree. Ford currently uses "active shutters" that close the top and bottom grills when at speed. I dont get it, because in a day where they fight for MPG, they make the front less aerodynamic and worse for airflow across the front The shutters help with warm up and do make the vehicle more aerodynamic when closed. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 11:56:31 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ram is the TRX (t-rex). Seeing this, the Toyota model would be the Mosasaurus Agree. Ford currently uses "active shutters" that close the top and bottom grills when at speed. I dont get it, because in a day where they fight for MPG, they make the front less aerodynamic and worse for airflow across the front Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So we have the raptor for Ford, tremor for doge... what's Toyota gonna do? The pterodactyl? In before the pterodactyl model at 100k+ Ram is the TRX (t-rex). Seeing this, the Toyota model would be the Mosasaurus Quoted: What cracks me up about these new gargantuan grills: Most of the area behind the external grill is solid. The engine doesn't need that much opening for cooling.... the sole purpose of that big yawning gap is simply to look dumb. Agree. Ford currently uses "active shutters" that close the top and bottom grills when at speed. I dont get it, because in a day where they fight for MPG, they make the front less aerodynamic and worse for airflow across the front Pretty much all makes are using the shutters to help get the engine up to operating Temps quicker. But here is another pic of best looking truck currently on the market: 
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:00:44 AM EDT
[#33]
Fugly.
Do not want. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:01:32 AM EDT
[#34]
It’s not my favorite, but I don’t hate it. That hybrid is putting out some damned impressive figures.
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:02:19 AM EDT
[#35]
That's unfortunate. RIP Tundra.
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:03:02 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not my favorite, but I don’t hate it. That hybrid is putting out some damned impressive figures. The real question is...what does the Hybrid do to towing numbers....... |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:05:40 AM EDT
[#37]
Fuck that thing is ugly all over.
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:06:26 AM EDT
[#38]
I need to see it with a 3-4” suspension under it and 35’s before completely ruling it out, also I want to see some real world testing with the non hybrid version to see how it stacks up to the current 3.5EB in power.
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:13:09 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: The shutters help with warm up and do make the vehicle more aerodynamic when closed. It's still a huge block going down the road. It seems like if they were so worried about it, they would change the shape Quoted: Pretty much all makes are using the shutters to help get the engine up to operating Temps quicker. But here is another pic of best looking truck currently on the market: https://www.media.stellantis.com/cache/0/0/8/9/9/008996fcbd8bd3a1ae1a6689e372d8e781114cbb.jpeg They look too close to the Rebels to me. I'm sure they are fun trucks but should have had a different grill to distinguish them from the other "RAM" blacked out grills. If it wasn't a Fiat product I probably would have traded in for one, but past experiences be what they be. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:23:52 AM EDT
[#40]
I need to see one in real life before forming an opinion. I have owned Chevy's, GMC, and a Dodge in the past and after owning an older model Lexus, I might consider one.
Hopefully, the after-market will soon do something for that grill. About all the gee-gaws for tailgates these days, to paraphrase a great engineer, the more you complicate the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. 
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:25:48 AM EDT
[#41]
I kinda like it. It follows the "Japanese robot car" design language that they use.
Also like that it doesn't have a fake hood scoop on it like most Toyotas. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:28:32 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much all makes are using the shutters to help get the engine up to operating Temps quicker. But here is another pic of best looking truck currently on the market: https://www.media.stellantis.com/cache/0/0/8/9/9/008996fcbd8bd3a1ae1a6689e372d8e781114cbb.jpeg That's a great looking truck! Better than my '21 TRD. Honestly. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:29:16 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The real question is...what does the Hybrid do to towing numbers....... More weight = less payload = less towing. It will likely be capable well past what it’s legal to, but the little yellow sticker rules all. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:31:03 AM EDT
[#44]
This is really disappointing.
It's bad enough that it looks like ass, but the payload capacity is still a joke, and I really question how anyone thought it was a good idea to compromise the under-seat storage on the hybrid. That's VALUABLE space. Sometimes I see things like this and wonder if the people designing these trucks have ever actually spent time with trucks. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:53:58 AM EDT
[#45]
Makes me happy with my decision to buy a 2021 Tundra while I could.
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Posted: 9/20/2021 12:58:53 AM EDT
[#46]
Not a fan, and this coming from someone who really liked his tundras, I have had 4.
I traded for a 2021 silverado LTZ in july tho. Got tired of dealer shenanigans is the main reason. I do hope the power trains will be the new tundras saving grace. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 1:04:39 AM EDT
[#47]
Who the hell approved that design?
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Posted: 9/20/2021 1:09:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2021 1:12:19 AM EDT
[#49]
I'll consider it in 2023 when looking for my next truck. Interested in the fuel economy numbers and pricing to compare to what I currently have in mind.
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Posted: 9/20/2021 1:14:09 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the payload hasn't changed much so you can kiss those tow ratings goodbye. Max payload is 1,940 lbs, which would be on the lightest version they offer. So single cab, 2wd, bare bones options. A typical max cab 4wd setup is going to add 600lbs or so. So I'd estimate the typical tundra will have a payload capacity of 1,300 lbs, maybe less. Honda Ridgeline has 1,500 to 1,600 https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/tundra/2022/ The TRD Pro has almost 1500 so I would imagine the others will be in the 1600 range. |
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