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Quoted: You’ve already ignored pages of them and keep posting similar “show me the facts!” Posts. Cant fix stupid. Sorry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty sure he does. Sixteen years here and he's the first retard I've actually put on ignore. Here a little longer than you, but I gotta say: https://media.tenor.com/images/f776b1dbd6b00f94502e483616ddeced/tenor.gif Wait, stop with all the meaningful well thought out responses I can't keep up with all the facts and stats being thrown at me. All these well thought out arguments are hard to counter when they come at such a rate. Help a brother out will you? You’ve already ignored pages of them and keep posting similar “show me the facts!” Posts. Cant fix stupid. Sorry. LOL! I haven't seen many facts offered by some. Just the same old shit opinions I saw 2 weeks ago that fly in the face of at least 6 experts both involved in the trial and not that have spoken. Same old shit spouted by those that apparently have a mental block making them unable to grasp facts. You are right about one thing.... you can't fix or educate or even get the stupid to think outside their box of wishes and hopes. |
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Quoted: All this talk about pills doesn't matter one bit. GF could have had thousands of pills on him. There could have been pills with his silva/DNA in every car, on the ground, on DC's uniform. Doesn't matter. What matters is...... what was in GF BODY and what was the level. That's ALL that matters. Was the amount enough to kill him? The prosecution presented evidence that it was not with hard numbers and evidence. The Defense did not counter or address those hard numbers or evidence in their case........ yet. Attempts to muddy the waters and confuse the jury is all they have and is their strategy. Nobody is arguing the fact that GF had drugs on board. Pointing out this pill and that pill is stupid when we have the levels of drugs in GF body as a FACT. Nothing else matters. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Also it looked pretty shystey of blackwell at to try to make it sound like GF didn't spit the recovered pills out of his mouth into the back of the patrol car and again on redirect living about how many pulls were found in the backseat. He kept trying to say it was only one pill, it was one whole pill (partially dissolved and several partial pieces. I know that's part of his job, but to me it made him look bad. Which overshadowed, up until then, a pretty good performance. All this talk about pills doesn't matter one bit. GF could have had thousands of pills on him. There could have been pills with his silva/DNA in every car, on the ground, on DC's uniform. Doesn't matter. What matters is...... what was in GF BODY and what was the level. That's ALL that matters. Was the amount enough to kill him? The prosecution presented evidence that it was not with hard numbers and evidence. The Defense did not counter or address those hard numbers or evidence in their case........ yet. Attempts to muddy the waters and confuse the jury is all they have and is their strategy. Nobody is arguing the fact that GF had drugs on board. Pointing out this pill and that pill is stupid when we have the levels of drugs in GF body as a FACT. Nothing else matters. Actually, the Prosecution did NOT prove that the Fentanyl level in Floyd's body didn't kill him. (Yes the double negative is intentional). All that they proved is that some people had higher levels and we don't know how many of Those people were alive 5 minutes after obtaining that level. |
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Quoted: All this talk about pills doesn't matter one bit. GF could have had thousands of pills on him. There could have been pills with his silva/DNA in every car, on the ground, on DC's uniform. Doesn't matter. What matters is...... what was in GF BODY and what was the level. That's ALL that matters. Was the amount enough to kill him? The prosecution presented evidence that it was not with hard numbers and evidence. The Defense did not counter or address those hard numbers or evidence in their case........ yet. Attempts to muddy the waters and confuse the jury is all they have and is their strategy. Nobody is arguing the fact that GF had drugs on board. Pointing out this pill and that pill is stupid when we have the levels of drugs in GF body as a FACT. Nothing else matters. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Also it looked pretty shystey of blackwell at to try to make it sound like GF didn't spit the recovered pills out of his mouth into the back of the patrol car and again on redirect living about how many pulls were found in the backseat. He kept trying to say it was only one pill, it was one whole pill (partially dissolved and several partial pieces. I know that's part of his job, but to me it made him look bad. Which overshadowed, up until then, a pretty good performance. All this talk about pills doesn't matter one bit. GF could have had thousands of pills on him. There could have been pills with his silva/DNA in every car, on the ground, on DC's uniform. Doesn't matter. What matters is...... what was in GF BODY and what was the level. That's ALL that matters. Was the amount enough to kill him? The prosecution presented evidence that it was not with hard numbers and evidence. The Defense did not counter or address those hard numbers or evidence in their case........ yet. Attempts to muddy the waters and confuse the jury is all they have and is their strategy. Nobody is arguing the fact that GF had drugs on board. Pointing out this pill and that pill is stupid when we have the levels of drugs in GF body as a FACT. Nothing else matters. @ Dipper Why are you so emotionally invested in DC being found guilty? |
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Chauvin Trial Day 13 Wrap-Up: Solid Day for Defense With Forensic Expert Witness
OVERVIEW Today saw the testimony of only one witness, but it was a witness of great importance to the defense, and therefore one whose testimony the state would perceive as important to damage. This was the defense medical expert witness Dr. David Fowler, a retired forensic pathologist. To not bury the lead, Dr. Fowler did what the defense needed done today, and did it well. That’s not to say his performance was perfect—he took a few hits off Prosecutor Jerry Blackwell during cross-examination, and could have done better deflecting some of those attacks. At the same time, however, Blackwell’s rather over the top cross-examination of Fowler was initially too aggressive for Judge Cahill’s liking, resulting in a rapid sidebar and a more restrained Blackwell moments later, and Blackwell’s resort to snark led him to overreach several times, providing opportunities for defense counter-attack that defense counsel Eric Nelson did not pass up. So, overall, a good day for the defense today, when they very much needed one, especially after the weak performance of defense expert witness Barry Brodd yesterday. View Quote |
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Quoted: LOL! So what? The prosecution put up several experts that said drugs did not kill Floyd. To the point the defense cried " wah wah wah the prosecution is cumulative and mean" The defense was able to find one retired expert that was willing to completely trash his reputation. That's OK though he is also currently being sued for a similar case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/13/chauvin-trial-expert-maryland-medical-examiner/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/derek-chauvin-defense-witness-is-being-sued-in-another-state-for-allegedly-covering-up-black-teen-e2-80-99s-death-in-police-custody/ar-BB1fEHWw?ocid=uxbndlbing A paid shill who will say whatever for money?? Maybe? Possible? Many here suggest that this does happen right? The JURY unlike us, must listen to and consider only the evidence that comes from the bench.... that is all they are to consider and they swear to do so. Which expert/experts will they believe? Pray for the one!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Fentanyl What is a lethal dose? Fentanyl Overdose Symptoms The signs and symptoms that occur in individuals who have overdosed on fentanyl can consist of: Extreme drowsiness, lethargy, lightheadedness, or dizziness Marked difficulty with balance, difficulty with walking, and decreased motor coordination Complaints of nausea and vomiting Significant mental status changes that often include slurred speech, decreased speed of thought (that can be observed by extremely slow rates of speech), confusion, irrational actions, and/or aggressiveness Pinpoint eye pupils and/or bluish or purplish lips, hands, feet, fingernails, and/or toenails Noticeably slowed or shallow breathing (In some cases, people may stop breathing or produce gurgling noises.) A marked reduction in blood pressure and heart rate Becoming unconscious or comatose Emphasis added by poster. All of these symptoms were present before DC's interaction with Floyd. LOL! So what? The prosecution put up several experts that said drugs did not kill Floyd. To the point the defense cried " wah wah wah the prosecution is cumulative and mean" The defense was able to find one retired expert that was willing to completely trash his reputation. That's OK though he is also currently being sued for a similar case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/13/chauvin-trial-expert-maryland-medical-examiner/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/derek-chauvin-defense-witness-is-being-sued-in-another-state-for-allegedly-covering-up-black-teen-e2-80-99s-death-in-police-custody/ar-BB1fEHWw?ocid=uxbndlbing A paid shill who will say whatever for money?? Maybe? Possible? Many here suggest that this does happen right? The JURY unlike us, must listen to and consider only the evidence that comes from the bench.... that is all they are to consider and they swear to do so. Which expert/experts will they believe? Pray for the one!! Sorry, but being sued does not mean that he's wrong. He may be wrong but more likely the family just can't accept facts. |
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Quoted: This is where I'm at. Watched most of the trial and read up here and a few other places and still don't see the prosecution's smoking gun. Same with the comments to the prosecution "smashing" the defense. Can any of you point to the smoking gun? View Quote Failed To Load Title |
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Fentanyl. No idea why you keep spelling it that way. View Quote Because he pheels like it. |
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Quoted: I was going to ask the same after catching up on this thread. Wow View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: @ Dipper Why are you so emotionally invested in DC being found guilty? I was going to ask the same after catching up on this thread. Wow Duh. |
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Quoted: Nope you are not watching close enough. You are thinking wrong. Don't you remember the charts and stats the prosecution presented and what the expert witnesses said? I honestly don't know how some people commenting here can miss so much of the information presented in the trail. All you need to do is go back through these pages to find out what was presented in the trail. View Quote You are the exact kind of idiot prosecutors LOVE to get on juries. |
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Mr. Floyd seemed like a prime target for a COVID statistic:
Coronary artery disease with as high as 90% occlusion. Enlarged heart from hypetension. Blood pressure observed at a sky high 200/160 Smoker. |
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Quoted: NOPE! I do believe what the paramedics said from the witness stand under oath though. Don't you ? or do you think they are just paid shills too? LOL! Cause that's all you have left. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Meh that was a made up " dangerous " situation. I know, I know.... just like the 86 year old bed ridden granny that was tased because she was " dangerous", you never know exactly what ( OMG) could happen and those 12 unarmed people could have killed those 4 armed officers in seconds right? The load and go wasn't for any other reason than to get a dead man out of there and get to better treatment. The paramedic said that they needed the equipment in the ambulance to treat GF that's why they did the load and go..... not because of that terribly " dangerous" crowd. They knew damn well that general CPR wasn't going to revive a dead man. By the time they got there. Again, they said the needed what was in the ambulance. Oh, they also said the cops fucked up and didn't start life saving techniques when they should have..... heard that today from the DEFENSE witness. Nice try though. You really don't believe your own bullshit, do you? NOPE! I do believe what the paramedics said from the witness stand under oath though. Don't you ? or do you think they are just paid shills too? LOL! Cause that's all you have left. The EMT-B tard? If that's the SME you're latching your hopes to, you're going to be disappointed. ETA: Your writing style... you seem familiar to someone else who's banned from here... |
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Quoted: The EMT-B tard? If that's the SME you're latching your hopes to, you're going to be disappointed. ETA: Your writing style... you seem familiar to someone else who's banned from here... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Meh that was a made up " dangerous " situation. I know, I know.... just like the 86 year old bed ridden granny that was tased because she was " dangerous", you never know exactly what ( OMG) could happen and those 12 unarmed people could have killed those 4 armed officers in seconds right? The load and go wasn't for any other reason than to get a dead man out of there and get to better treatment. The paramedic said that they needed the equipment in the ambulance to treat GF that's why they did the load and go..... not because of that terribly " dangerous" crowd. They knew damn well that general CPR wasn't going to revive a dead man. By the time they got there. Again, they said the needed what was in the ambulance. Oh, they also said the cops fucked up and didn't start life saving techniques when they should have..... heard that today from the DEFENSE witness. Nice try though. You really don't believe your own bullshit, do you? NOPE! I do believe what the paramedics said from the witness stand under oath though. Don't you ? or do you think they are just paid shills too? LOL! Cause that's all you have left. The EMT-B tard? If that's the SME you're latching your hopes to, you're going to be disappointed. ETA: Your writing style... you seem familiar to someone else who's banned from here... I think he’s referring to the actual paramedics, which described the scene as “unwelcoming” when they arrived. Not sure how Dipper got the idea that experienced inner city paramedics would delay patient care on a pulseless patient by doing a “load and go” if the scene had been safe enough to work Floyd at the scene. |
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Quoted: You really don't need an answer for that do you? I mean really. I don't know you but you HAVE to be smarter than you currently appear to be. View Quote You said "cpr isn't gonna help a dead man". Just wondering where you think they could of taken him, that'll fix being dead. They drove a couple of blocks and stopped on the side of the road. Just wondering why they wouldn't have just done all that on the scene. |
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Quoted: Fentanyl. No idea why you keep spelling it that way. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I thought the defense and the state both proved that he had a lethal amount of phentnal in his system, according to the witnesses they both called, lol. Fentanyl. No idea why you keep spelling it that way. i apologize, I'll try to do better. |
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Quoted: LOL! I haven't seen many facts offered by some. Just the same old shit opinions I saw 2 weeks ago that fly in the face of at least 6 experts both involved in the trial and not that have spoken. Same old shit spouted by those that apparently have a mental block making them unable to grasp facts. You are right about one thing.... you can't fix or educate or even get the stupid to think outside their box of wishes and hopes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty sure he does. Sixteen years here and he's the first retard I've actually put on ignore. Here a little longer than you, but I gotta say: https://media.tenor.com/images/f776b1dbd6b00f94502e483616ddeced/tenor.gif Wait, stop with all the meaningful well thought out responses I can't keep up with all the facts and stats being thrown at me. All these well thought out arguments are hard to counter when they come at such a rate. Help a brother out will you? You've already ignored pages of them and keep posting similar "show me the facts!" Posts. Cant fix stupid. Sorry. LOL! I haven't seen many facts offered by some. Just the same old shit opinions I saw 2 weeks ago that fly in the face of at least 6 experts both involved in the trial and not that have spoken. Same old shit spouted by those that apparently have a mental block making them unable to grasp facts. You are right about one thing.... you can't fix or educate or even get the stupid to think outside their box of wishes and hopes. |
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Quoted: You said "cpr isn't gonna help a dead man". Just wondering where you think they could of taken him, that'll fix being dead. They drove a couple of blocks and stopped on the side of the road. Just wondering why they wouldn't have just done all that on the scene. View Quote By its nature CPR only helps dead people. |
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Quoted: You said "cpr isn't gonna help a dead man". Just wondering where you think they could of taken him, that'll fix being dead. They drove a couple of blocks and stopped on the side of the road. Just wondering why they wouldn't have just done all that on the scene. View Quote Who wants to risk having their expensive rig trashed by an angry mob? Or get assaulted themselves? Get away from the scene, stop and work on the patient |
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Did he just say that the defense intends to rest??
ETA - maybe I misheard. Chauvin not testifying, taking the 5th. ETA2 - I did not mishear... defense is resting their case. |
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I think it is a mistake not to testify. The jury needs to know what was going on in his mind.
In absence of that some will substitute a caricature of bad white cop into the smirking image on the video. No other evidence will matter. |
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Quoted: You said "cpr isn't gonna help a dead man". Just wondering where you think they could of taken him, that'll fix being dead. They drove a couple of blocks and stopped on the side of the road. Just wondering why they wouldn't have just done all that on the scene. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You really don't need an answer for that do you? I mean really. I don't know you but you HAVE to be smarter than you currently appear to be. You said "cpr isn't gonna help a dead man". Just wondering where you think they could of taken him, that'll fix being dead. They drove a couple of blocks and stopped on the side of the road. Just wondering why they wouldn't have just done all that on the scene. Why did they "go"? Driving the couple of blocks delayed care even further. If no reason to "go", then load him up and get to work. |
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The state just "discovered" CO blood gas evidence (or lack thereof.).
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Quoted: I think it is a mistake not to testify. The jury needs to know what was going on in his mind. In absence of that some will substitute a caricature of bad white cop into the smirking image on the video. No other evidence will matter. View Quote No he doesn't want to take the stand. Taking the stand would gain him nothing but could hurt him under cross. |
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Quoted: Meh that was a made up " dangerous " situation. I know, I know.... just like the 86 year old bed ridden granny that was tased because she was " dangerous", you never know exactly what ( OMG) could happen and those 12 unarmed people could have killed those 4 armed officers in seconds right? The load and go wasn't for any other reason than to get a dead man out of there and get to better treatment. The paramedic said that they needed the equipment in the ambulance to treat GF that's why they did the load and go..... not because of that terribly " dangerous" crowd. They knew damn well that general CPR wasn't going to revive a dead man. By the time they got there. Again, they said the needed what was in the ambulance. Oh, they also said the cops fucked up and didn't start life saving techniques when they should have..... heard that today from the DEFENSE witness. Nice try though. View Quote My comment above was in response to this, I know why they did a load and go, But I wanted him to explain himself |
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ME did not provide the data. Heard Foulers testimony and then gave the data.
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it’s bs that the state get to bring evidence AFTER that the defense rest it’s case...
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Did they say GF O2 was 98%, but still dead?
So CO2 isn't one of the many other causes of death, State considers it a win. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Did he just say that the defense intends to rest?? ETA - maybe I misheard. Chauvin not testifying, taking the 5th. ETA2 - I did not mishear... defense is resting their case. Interesting turn of events. The Defendant not testifying isn't the same as taking the 5th. The 5th usually means they are declining to answer a question posed to them. A defendant has an absolute right to choose not to get on the stand because the defendant doesn't have any burden in a trial unless they are claiming an affirmative defense. They're both based in the Amendment, but are usually referred to differently. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: State withheld exculpatory evidence. Is it exculpatory? Yep. Trying to discredit Dr. Fowler. I haven't seen what the report says, so does the report support that exhaust could've contributed or not? |
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Correcting Nelson: CO does NOT combine to Oxygen. It combines to the Hemoglobin.
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Defense says Fouler is already on a plane. Says prosecutor thought it was a nonsense claim and dismissed it until now that they have "found" data. Didn't treat it fairly.
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