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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:54:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. He did get talked to. "you okay?" "yes." "Alright sir, have a good evening." |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:55:04 AM EDT
[#2]
Apparently walking in snow makes all the nazis so mad.
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:55:04 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Im starting to see why better late than never i suppose. it doesn't matter if you're guilty or innocent, they're not on your side. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:58:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine's better. "Central, we're at the location. There's nobody here. Mark it 90-X." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Hey man it's pretty cold out to be walking in just a t-shirt, are you ok? Would you like a ride?" I cover myself better by recording my interaction and actually asking if he needs help. If he is found dead later frozen in a ditch what is going to look better, me offering him help and him declining or me lying and saying I didn't see him? I'm not a liar. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:58:30 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop, turn around and address the person. It wasn't like the kid was on his way to say the planet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How was he being a dick? And if I don't? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:58:40 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Hey man it's pretty cold out to be walking in just a t-shirt, are you ok? Would you like a ride?" "No, ok well if you need anything give us a holler. Be safe." That makes sense but are the cops in any way liable if they let him continue on with a t-shirt in extremely rare frigid weather? Say he is found dead the next day and his family is on the news about how he was a schizophrenic having and episode and cops let him keep walking around in a t-shirt in below zero weather? If I was the cop there I know that would be running through the back of my mind. Not sure what the right answer here is but damn if people cant just interact better with each other. “Officer I’m fine, my house is two blocks away. My car wouldn't start and I didn't bring a jacket with me. Have a nice night.” |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 9:58:57 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You “let” people walk around in the cold? Well no fucking shit you do, this is a free country and you’re not their mom. “Let”. Pfft. GTFO. Isn't it amazing how many people don't seem to understand this whole "freedom" thing? The most fundamental right of all is the right to be LEFT THE FUCK ALONE. In fact, pretty much all other rights derive from it. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:02:30 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cliff notes: Dude was walking down the middle of the street. Somebody called it in. Police show up and want to talk to him. He says no and keeps walking. They tell him he's being detained. He wants to leave. Fight ensues and he gets arrested. eta: from Plano PD's FB page, looks like they released the guy and have started an admin investigation. The chief fell all over himself about the race of the guy so it'd be safe to assume if the guy was white there be no apology or internal investigation. WRONG |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:02:45 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That makes sense but are the cops in any way liable if they let him continue on with a t-shirt in extremely rare frigid weather? Say he is found dead the next day and his family is on the news about how he was a schizophrenic having and episode and cops let him keep walking around in a t-shirt in below zero weather? If I was the cop there I know that would be running through the back of my mind. Not sure what the right answer here is but damn if people cant just interact better with each other. “Officer I’m fine, my house is two blocks away. My car wouldn't start and I didn't bring a jacket with me. Have a nice night.” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Hey man it's pretty cold out to be walking in just a t-shirt, are you ok? Would you like a ride?" "No, ok well if you need anything give us a holler. Be safe." That makes sense but are the cops in any way liable if they let him continue on with a t-shirt in extremely rare frigid weather? Say he is found dead the next day and his family is on the news about how he was a schizophrenic having and episode and cops let him keep walking around in a t-shirt in below zero weather? If I was the cop there I know that would be running through the back of my mind. Not sure what the right answer here is but damn if people cant just interact better with each other. “Officer I’m fine, my house is two blocks away. My car wouldn't start and I didn't bring a jacket with me. Have a nice night.” I've seen a lot of posts by apparent cops or their hangers on that always try to excuse bad interactions by saying that if they did nothing people would complain about that. Even if it's true, what is the better outcome, people complaining on the internet (inevitable no matter what), or getting the living shit righteously sued out of you and your department for not being smart enough to know that sometimes you just leave people the fuck alone no matter how black they are? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:02:47 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That makes sense but are the cops in any way liable if they let him continue on with a t-shirt in extremely rare frigid weather? Say he is found dead the next day and his family is on the news about how he was a schizophrenic having and episode and cops let him keep walking around in a t-shirt in below zero weather? If I was the cop there I know that would be running through the back of my mind. Not sure what the right answer here is but damn if people cant just interact better with each other. “Officer I’m fine, my house is two blocks away. My car wouldn't start and I didn't bring a jacket with me. Have a nice night.” No. Warren v District of Columbia. Police have no duty to protect you. Also, he told the cops he lived right down the street at the start of the interaction, and at the end of the interaction he pointed at his house and said "I literally live right there". |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:03:52 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Im starting to see why black people hate the police. I was in law enforcement for a little over 26 years and there's a reason black people are scrutinized more heavily; they statistically commit more crime. Sorry if that pisses off the many libs here but it's a proven fact. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:04:36 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Being polite will get you a long way in this world. Bad judgment cops, no impulse control criminals, it's amazing that some people can't just walk away from a confrontation they can't win no matter how it turns out. Someone being "disrespectful" (I don't think this guy was) doesn't affect you. Fuck it |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:05:02 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I let them walk around in the cold. Wait long enough and one way or another it won’t be anyone’s problem anymore. Don’t want to ID? Cool Ill be back when you get hit by a car or freeze to death. We can get prints off a frozen corpse pretty easy or the hospital tag will have his info. If he makes it home, awesome. Constitution a problem for you? Get's in the way that pesky thing. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:06:42 AM EDT
[#14]
You walk down the middle of any street in my area, in any weather, no matter what color you are, you are gonna draw some LE and/or civilian interest.....No one is "special.".....
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:06:44 AM EDT
[#15]
At most that would have been are you ok chat and if he's capable of self care smile and wave.
I've had several where the person needed medical attention and would have either became inculpated or possible died |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:06:53 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drive by guy, slow down, ask ''everything cool sir?" person says yes, ''OK, have a good day sir.'' Drive on. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:07:21 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Initiated a terry stop because a guy is walking in the street after a snowfall when the sidewalks aren't cleared in a t shirt.  Were these cops in suspended animation somewhere for the past decade? "Excuse me black man, i'd like to get your name and destination to understand what business you have in the white part of town? We've gotten calls..." Cops and their supervisors get caught up in this thing of, we got a call or see a situation therefore me must check the box. Hey! It's cold out. Are you in distress or need a ride somewhere? Ok, well call us if you need us. 10-8 |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:07:24 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. You fucking serious Clarke? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:07:46 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That makes sense but are the cops in any way liable if they let him continue on with a t-shirt in extremely rare frigid weather? Say he is found dead the next day and his family is on the news about how he was a schizophrenic having and episode and cops let him keep walking around in a t-shirt in below zero weather? If I was the cop there I know that would be running through the back of my mind. Not sure what the right answer here is but damn if people cant just interact better with each other. “Officer I’m fine, my house is two blocks away. My car wouldn't start and I didn't bring a jacket with me. Have a nice night.” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Hey man it's pretty cold out to be walking in just a t-shirt, are you ok? Would you like a ride?" "No, ok well if you need anything give us a holler. Be safe." That makes sense but are the cops in any way liable if they let him continue on with a t-shirt in extremely rare frigid weather? Say he is found dead the next day and his family is on the news about how he was a schizophrenic having and episode and cops let him keep walking around in a t-shirt in below zero weather? If I was the cop there I know that would be running through the back of my mind. Not sure what the right answer here is but damn if people cant just interact better with each other. “Officer I’m fine, my house is two blocks away. My car wouldn't start and I didn't bring a jacket with me. Have a nice night.” I made the attempt, he declined any help. I can't force people to take my help and barring any info that actually points to him being in distress or suffering from some mental issue (like his family calling him in and stating that) its over and done with. No liability on LE side. I had a lady walking in -4 this winter at like 3AM. I pulled up to her and asked if she wanted a ride to wherever she was going. She said no. I had no suspicion that she was impaired or in distress. I told her to call if she needed help. She said thank you and I left. Done. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:09:37 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You walk down the middle of any street in my area, in any weather, no matter what color you are, you are gonna draw some LE and/or civilian interest.....No one is "special."..... Do you live on the interstate? Every town I've ever been/lived in has low traffic side streets where often people walk down the middle of the road. Hell my neighborhood now is a very nice residential area and people walk and kids play in the street all the time. Nobody calls the cops about that 
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:09:43 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Young cops always think that the "we want to talk to you" justifies pestering someone repeatedly over something minor when they say they don't want to talk. Let the population thin itself out if they want to walk in the snow. Stop this whole welfare-check-everything bullshit. Mark back in service, go fucking relax at 711. She's clearly going to be promoted soon. Taught by the instructors. They teach what you can get away with rather than what's right. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:09:53 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: Quoted: I let them walk around in the cold. Wait long enough and one way or another it won’t be anyone’s problem anymore. Don’t want to ID? Cool Ill be back when you get hit by a car or freeze to death. We can get prints off a frozen corpse pretty easy or the hospital tag will have his info. If he makes it home, awesome. Constitution a problem for you? Get's in the way that pesky thing. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:10:09 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was in law enforcement for a little over 26 years and there's a reason black people are scrutinized more heavily; they statistically commit more crime. Sorry if that pisses off the many libs here but it's a proven fact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Im starting to see why black people hate the police. I was in law enforcement for a little over 26 years and there's a reason black people are scrutinized more heavily; they statistically commit more crime. Sorry if that pisses off the many libs here but it's a proven fact. Yes they do. But that doesn't give LE the right to arrest blacks that aren't committing crimes. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:10:33 AM EDT
[#24]
I'm gonna start letting my local PD know every time I'm going to mow the yard when it gets warm just so they don't think it's suspicious that someone is outside.
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:10:36 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You walk down the middle of any street in my area, in any weather, no matter what color you are, you are gonna draw some LE and/or civilian interest.....No one is "special."..... Where are you supposed to walk when the sidewalks are covered with snow almost up to your knee? Also, did you even watch the video, the cop car was the only vehicle on the road for the entire time of the encounter and he was in no way blocking them from passing. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:11:31 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [residentcrew]So you were a do nothing cop?[/residentcrew] Trying too hard. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:12:27 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You walk down the middle of any street in my area, in any weather, no matter what color you are, you are gonna draw some LE and/or civilian interest.....No one is "special."..... Look, I realize you Texans had to suffer 5 whole days of snow recently, but in the rest of the US it isn't that uncommon. I'm not trudging my ass along the sidewalk in 2 feet of snow when the street is already clear. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:13:01 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you live on the interstate? Every town I've ever been/lived in has low traffic side streets where often people walk down the middle of the road. Hell my neighborhood now is a very nice residential area and people walk and kids play in the street all the time. Nobody calls the cops about that Nope.....People in my area have more sense and good manners than to walk in the street................Kids are not allowed to play in the street either. That is why God invented yards.....
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:13:28 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Taught by the instructors. They teach what you can get away with rather than what's right. On my own, I figured out that the best way to cover my ass was to have as little interaction with the locals as possible. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:13:51 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. Because having an attitude isn’t a crime. He didn’t want their help. He made that very clear. They should have said “have a good night” and drove off. Instead, they let their bullshit egos fuck up their career and likely more. Guy will get a payday. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:14:05 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you live on the interstate? Every town I've ever been/lived in has low traffic side streets where often people walk down the middle of the road. Hell my neighborhood now is a very nice residential area and people walk and kids play in the street all the time. Nobody calls the cops about that It's a literal toss up on this one whether there was an actual "call" about him or not. I doubt there was since his walk was only 5 minutes and they interacted with him while he was walking for a few. Sub 3 mins response time by police to a report of "a man walking"? My money is on cop saw him and lied about the call. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:15:20 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I cover myself better by recording my interaction and actually asking if he needs help. If he is found dead later frozen in a ditch what is going to look better, me offering him help and him declining or me lying and saying I didn't see him? I'm not a liar. This. It also has the added benefit if it does go to a Terry Stop. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:16:27 AM EDT
[#33]
The actual law in TX:
Sec. 552.006. USE OF SIDEWALK. (a) A pedestrian may not walk along and on a roadway if an adjacent sidewalk is provided and is accessible to the pedestrian. (b) If a sidewalk is not provided, a pedestrian walking along and on a highway shall if possible walk on: (1) the left side of the roadway; or (2) the shoulder of the highway facing oncoming traffic. No shit the charges were dropped, it would have gotten laughed out of court and made all the cops look like even bigger imbeciles than they were. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:18:03 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "What's your name?" "Where are you headed?" You think the police lady was going to mail him ski jacket when she got home? She wasn't being nice, she was playing "papers please" |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:19:49 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a thread here about a woman who was out for a walk. a Texas cop came up to her and started bothering her. She figured he was a perv so she ran away, he tackled her and arrested her for walking in the street, or walking on the wrong side . He then claimed he thought this suburban lady out for a walk "was a lookout for a burglary ring" There was much defense of charging people for walking the wrong way on the edge of the road as a "investigative technique" "I do that all the time" That one was embarrassing for the cops here in that thread. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:20:42 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are walking in the middle of the street and impeding traffic flow, you may be committing a crime. I don't know if that was what happened. Seemed they were more going with the welfare check approach, which most states have laws which allow police to detain or arrest you if they have PC to believe you are a harm to yourself or others, even absent a crime. Of course the kid could always have stopped for 30 sec and say "yeah, I am all set, I don't want any help, I am walking home which is about 5 min from here, I don't want to talk to you anymore than that, thanks". But that would have been too easy. Did you even watch the video? He literally said all that(just maybe not in the tone the police thought he should have). The cops fucked up big time here. If walking in the street is so “arrest-able”, they shouldn’t have played the “we are here to help you” bullshit. Pull up and explain why you are there and do your job. If arresting black people walking in the street is what we are doing now, why have we set precedent all last year without making those arrests? Because that’s a bullshit charge they had to make up to fit the agenda of arresting this guy because they didn’t like his attitude. Fuck those cops, coming from a cop working in one of the worst cities to be a cop in. They just hurt their entire departments reputation over some shady shit and I hope they fucking get fired. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:21:27 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I cover myself better by recording my interaction and actually asking if he needs help. If he is found dead later frozen in a ditch what is going to look better, me offering him help and him declining or me lying and saying I didn't see him? I'm not a liar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Hey man it's pretty cold out to be walking in just a t-shirt, are you ok? Would you like a ride?" I cover myself better by recording my interaction and actually asking if he needs help. If he is found dead later frozen in a ditch what is going to look better, me offering him help and him declining or me lying and saying I didn't see him? I'm not a liar. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:21:32 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting sued after you rough them up is one way to find out who someone is "who do I make this check out to?" Yeah, but they wanted to know NOW, damnit!! Not into delayed gratification... |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:21:58 AM EDT
[#39]
I'm surprised he survived his encounter with the police.
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:22:26 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because having an attitude isn’t a crime. He didn’t want their help. He made that very clear. They should have said “have a good night” and drove off. Instead, they let their bullshit egos fuck up their career and likely more. Guy will get a payday. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't get the outrage here. A person walking out in at or near record cold in north Texas with a T-shirt on will get talked to. If he had rolled back the attitude he would have gone home. Because having an attitude isn’t a crime. He didn’t want their help. He made that very clear. They should have said “have a good night” and drove off. Instead, they let their bullshit egos fuck up their career and likely more. Guy will get a payday. [roll window down] Hey man, you okay? You want a ride? Fuck off pig. Pfft. Okee dokee. Have a good night. [roll window up] |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:22:31 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess he should have responded with eat shit and die copper because clearly he wasn't dominant enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "What's your name?" "Where are you headed?" You think the police lady was going to mail him ski jacket when she got home? She wasn't being nice, she was playing "papers please" I don’t get your attitude, Ben. Why are you defending such obvious fuck-ups? Is it because ‘backing the blue’ no matter what, is at your core? |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:22:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you often talk to people by keeping your back to them? Are you trying to justify these cops actions because the manners of the person they took freedoms away from? Untucking real! Get the fuck outta here. Being rude isn’t worthy of an arrest. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:23:16 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because having an attitude isn’t a crime. He didn’t want their help. He made that very clear. They should have said “have a good night” and drove off. Instead, they let their bullshit egos fuck up their career and likely more. Guy will get a payday. Not only that, but if they had been paying attention for the past few years, alarm bells should have been going off in their heads telling them to clear this call as fast as possible. Single black male teen walking down the street who clearly doesn't want to interact with you and you think the best course of action is the force a confrontation over his welfare? How did that end up going for them? lol |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:24:23 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not only that, but if they had been paying attention for the past few years, alarm bells should have been going off in their heads telling them to clear this call as fast as possible. Single black male teen walking down the street who clearly doesn't want to interact with you and you think the best course of action is the force a confrontation over his welfare? How did that end up going for them? lol He even said, “If you’re worried about my welfare, why you throwing me in the snow??” |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:24:43 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did. Apologizing for doing something does not erase that something from happening. You said he wasn't breaking any laws. It appears he may have. In which case they (the police) can detain and ID him. I am NOT saying that would be the best course of action, but I am saying it is legal to do so and refusing to stop when ordered to do so. I wonder if those particular cops will ever check on someone walking in the street in the snow wearing a T shirt in 10 degree Texas again. False. The Chief obviously agrees. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:25:11 AM EDT
[#46]
 We're Police! We're not trained to handle this kind of violence! Somebody had to post this 
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:26:00 AM EDT
[#47]
I was doing the same think a little north of Plano.
Sidewalks were not clear. Wearing a t-shirt. Wet shoes suck and it wasn't that cold. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:26:10 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And if I don't? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How was he being a dick? And if I don't? Then by God I'll make you respect my authority. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:26:21 AM EDT
[#49]
The problem society is having right now is that anonymous people can bring the full force of either the state or a public outrage mob upon your head.
They just make up any claim, call it in and you are treated as if it's true. They can do the same to get you fired, product pulled from the shelves etc. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:26:56 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if those particular cops will ever check on someone walking in the street in the snow wearing a T shirt in 10 degree Texas again. Probably not, one way or another. |
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