If they come knocking, then the constitution is lost and anarchy is declared. Im going to protect my family, and property, and do what I have to.

  Exactly.  This is the time to shut up and start shooting.  I'll prrbably end up dying alone, in a pile of hot brass, with a PILE of dead skunks stacked up in front of me.  HOOOOAAAAHH!!  If it happens to some one else, and they are within response range, they will have a reaction force outside the perimeter....[sniper][uzi][frag]

I have one registered gun and....Oh man, I needed some money and sold it at a gun show.

Seen any WWII documentaries on the history channel lately? I don't plan on my life ending that way. I eat too much to starve to death.

I'll take a few with me on my way out before I give up my guns.....

FUCK THAT!
Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!

If it comes to door to door searches and seizures everything indeed will have been already lost.

The "laws" will have been passed - either over the objections of not enough opponents or over an apathetic group of opponents - read here gun owners, conservatives, etc..

OK - By then most persons of any moral character will have resigned or retired from the military and police - leaving those that have no character or belief in the Constitution.

We will still be unorganized and therefore unable to mount any effective resistance.

What will happen when they come to get you guns is a hummer with am M-60/M2 50 cal will pull up out front of your house to support a squad of police/military and you won't do squat because they will kill you and your family on the spot.

Oh yeah, there will probably be Bradley's at each end of the street to prevent people from making a run for it.

That is the way I would plan it if I were in charge. Of course this is based on the assumption I was not pro-gun, nor supportive of the Constitution, which I am clearly stating I AM in support of.

From over 13 years of observation, I can safely say that it is a lost cause. Why? Just go out and you will find 500 people (many of them gun owners)with their heads firmly stuck in the sand for every 1 that is aware of the dangerous situation we are currently in. You will be met with "tin foil hat" and other patronizing comments because they just don't want to be bothered with anything that will disrupt their little world of beer, football and tv. Just think of it this way, it was known in 1963 that the US agreed to the diarmament plans of the UN, then even as recent as 1993 this information was again widely disseminated by the militias. This was answered with condescending "black helicopter" and "microchip implant" comments from the sheeple. Now it is OVER 8 YEARS later and guess what? The UN is holding a summit next month on how to implement U.S. disarment and there is a growing movement for the human implantation of biometric microchips. Has the attitude changed? Hardly and it will never change. This is the LAST generation that has knowledge of what is at stake and has the means to prevent the demise of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The current "Generation D" do not know what is already lost and could care less if they live in a socialist republik.

The sad thing today is that 99% of all gun owners are going to stay in denial up to the point they are kneeling in front of a ditch while a JBT is holding a gun to the back of their head.

Unless there is a MAJOR sea change in the attitude of the U.S. public, the Republic is lost.

Don't regester any thing and any thing that is regesterd I'll give them but if I really like it i'll say that I droped it in the river.

Imbroglio, yeah, I'm home, and listening...just got out of the saddle and am still awake, so figured I'd log on ... I definitely agree with the sentiments, but not sure that we are going to sell out to the UN now, especially since W is in...now if it was Gore D Whore, I would be maxxing out my credit card at Ammoman.com....
Not saying you need a tin foil hat, but maybe just have a brewski or 10 and chill...at least until the next election. If you have some contrary intelligence of a sell out, please let us know -"enquiring minds want to know"- know what I mean? [;)]

Imbro - how is it that a guy of such obvious intelligence can't get laid?
  Seriously, I hope that you're wrong, but you are probably right.  We'll all end up dead or in jail.  everybody dies.  Die standing up!!

The first thing is not to be home when they come. After they start to go door to door that is the time to fight do not wait until they come to your door then it will be too late. What we need to do, is as soon as they start confiscating our weapons, we need to start going after them, and do what ever is necessary to win. What would happen if while they were at someone's home other gun owners were marching through the city’s center shooting at all targets of opportunity, and sniping at anything in uniform. And lets not forget the fact that while the police are going door to door, who is watching out for the officers families. The simple fact is, there are not enough law enforcement  people to engage a large number of gun owners in combat. So what we do is take to the streets when they come for our guns and the government will be messed up big time. Lets face it the police never willingly get into a fair fight with anyone, they always need to use vastly superior force and always call for backup. You will never see one or two cops knocking on your door and asking for your guns, they will always come when you are asleep and with at least 10 to 20 officers to go against one person. We can not let them play by their rules we have to make them play by our rules. Again what we need to do is make them the hunted and not the hunters, and we have to treat them the same way as German and Japanese soldiers were treated during WWII take them out anyway and anytime you have the opportunity, basically shoot them on sight. The police and the rest of the law enforcers do not have the courage to fight the people in any kind of fair fight, just look at how those ATF Agents acted after their botched raid at Mount Carmel, they were actually crying like babies, certainly not the way for a real man and soldier to act. It is one thing to put a gun to someone's head like an unarmed man holding a little boy and another thing to go into a fight knowing that the people you are after want nothing better then to kill you and have the weapons and skill to do exactly that. Remember this, cops are not in the military and can quit anytime they wish to, and I predict that if they  actually become targets and are hunted most cops will quit and that will just leave the military to fight us. And I was told by an Army recruiter that there were only less then 50,000 actual active duty combat troops in the Army, and there are only about 600,000 police, to start with and if most of them leave plus the cops can not even control crime as it is now.  So there are at least 65,000,000 gun owners so even if only one percent actually fight for our freedom we will at least equal them in number and exceed them in skill level. So how is the government going to forcefully take our guns anyway, Nuke Us ??

Sniper for Justice          

VINCE AUT MORIRE “Conquer or Die”

I have asked myself the same question many times and have played all of the possible scenarios again and again in my head. I question myself as to whether I am willing to put my family in harms way for my weapons.

The answer for me is yes, for I do not fear death or should I say for me it is simply returning to where I came from after being sent to face myself in this world.

The loss of the 2nd admendment is tantamount to the loss of all God given right's and the introduction of rights granted by the state. History has proven out that when the state grants rights, the people die, and in great numbers. Without freedom, my children, and now my grandchildren have nothing. They will never know what it will be like to be without the tryannical rule of a dark one.

The great champion of Scotland william Wallace was a true believer in freedom. Say what you will about the movie, but the statement in front of his warriors was correct. In the new world they will try to force us into, you will die a slave and at their whim.

What do I do when the time comes, I will stand for what I believe in unto my dying breath, and I promise you there will be many that will gasp their last prior to my demise.

And for you leo bashers out there, you have no idea at the true number of true patriots that wear a badge, and what will happen when the time comes. I grant you there will always be the quislings, and badge heavy ass holes, but there is an undercurrent of true resentment and distrust with many leo's toward what the government and the u.n. is posturing toward.

If the time comes in my lifetime, then it has been said before "It's a good day to die", and I'll add " and take some company with me."

>>So how is the government going to forcefully take our guns anyway<<
One at a time.  The dreams of gunowners rising up en masse to fight is silly.  You can't even get 10% of them to join the NRA.  If you really think they will risk life and limb, you are living in fantasy land.

this all wants to make me read the turner diaries again. they came and got their guns too!!!!!!!!!!!

Fantasy Land, well then you are also not living in the real world. I never said that we would all rise up en masse, and I don’t consider one to ten percent of us gun owners to be en masse anyway.  That will probably never happen but we will rise up, at first only a few of us, who will most likely die but we will be replaced by others and soon there will be hundreds of us and then hundreds of thousands of freedom fighters and maybe a couple of million of us. Right now most of us have our heads in the sand and don’t want to know the truth, but the truth will be plain to see even for the ones who are afraid of the truth.  And remember once the war starts laws will be enacted requiring all guns to be surrendered and anyone caught with one will be imprisoned if not executed on site.  

Sniper for Justice          

VINCE AUT MORIRE “Conquer or Die”

I have always envisioned it like this:

If/when the day dawns that guns are illegal those who deem themselves true patriots who realize the true impact of the issues at hand..... at such hour must stand and fight.

Initially it will be everyone for himself.

Many of us will die in our doorways, bathrooms, attics or porches from an exchange of fire with the enemy.  Oh yes, we will take many with us but still.....many of us will die for our beleifs and our cause and for our families.

What then?

Hopefully then those that remain will still be many.  Hopefully then those that remain will rally around the dead of our ranks and will here the cries of the deads blood as it screams up from the earth.  Hopefully then those that remain will band together....unite......above ground or underground and wage an all out war against the evil that is upon us at that time.

Perhaps after many citizens die in an attempt to protect property and liberty and perhaps as many soldiers, JBTs etc etc are met with ever increasing resistance and a higher and higher death toll in their own ranks there will be an understanding reached.

That understanding being that we will not bow down to a tyrannical govt. and that we will not sit idly by while all the works of our forefathers go down the tubes of history in vain.

It will start small.  There will be many who die one by one and then the real issues will begin.

I can only quote from my favorite patriot, Patrick Henry:

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this

quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!


The last paragraph is the best. I will die a free man, and drench the tree of liberty will some tyrants blood and mine. The only choice is to fight back.

Actually, I think the PRK gun grabbers already know what the scenario will be. The city dwelling sheeple will acquiesce to the divine power of the govt. without much trouble, the suburban response will be mixed, but the rural folks will probably put up a fight. Everyone will be sent a notice to turn in their weapons over to the local police and those who don’t will lose their driver’s license and risk arrest the next time they are pulled over. This is how the PRK handles these things. If there is home confiscation, law enforcement will either show up with a warrant during the day when you’re at work, stop you on your way to work, or show up at 4:00 AM with overwhelming force. Some LEO’s will die, but it will be mostly gun owners who buy the farm since we tend not to be as well trained, we’re getting old, or just not up to the job. These incidents will be broadcast over the nightly news putting the fear of God into the remaining gun owners. Some people will hold up in their home and we’ll have SLA-like standoffs throughout the state.

Personally, I don’t think most LEO’s in this state would be willing to risk their lives for this cause. Sure, maybe the young guys, but after a few of them buy the farm, the fear of God will be in them as well. Then they’ll start questioning the cause, why people are dying for this, etc.

As far as arrests go, they do not have enough jail space to hold everyone who refused to register. It’s simply not feasible.

As far as what one would do in this situation. Well, there are very few things in this world worth dying for. The protection of your family, country, way of life; these are things many people believe are worth dying for (myself included). I also feel the Bill of Rights is worse dying for, so therein lies my response to the original question.

Mattja,

The Police better trained, not where I live, A Lt in our local SWAT thinks a 2.5 inch 100 yd group shot with a Ruger M77 police rifle is worth bragging about and lets the pic of his group be published in the local paper, I think my .75 inch group shot with my AR is nothing special enough to brag about. I am a much better shot then 95 percent of the cops in my area plus my rifle is at least as good if not better then anything they have. Another thing, how many gun owners have a military combat background. I know at least one Viet Nam era SEAL and several Special Forces Soldiers, who I think are more then a match for any police officer. So don't lose faith we still have the ability to defeat the enemies of freedom. Sniper for Justice  

If the cops that do not agree with the raids just passively sit by while civilians are getting killed and do not use their weapons and training to respond pro-actively to the JBT, then they are no better than the sheeple.

>>Fantasy Land, well then you are also not living in the real world. I never said that we would all rise up en masse, and I don’t consider one to ten percent of us gun owners to be en masse anyway. That will probably never happen but we will rise up, at first only a few of us, who will most likely die but we will be replaced by others and soon there will be hundreds of us and then hundreds of thousands of freedom fighters and maybe a couple of million of us.<<
LOL!!  A couple of million gun owners out there playing freedom fighter?  Hundreds of thousands of them willing to give up their jobs, leave their families alone while they go out and get shot at?  Yep, fantasy land.  If you don't rise up en masse, it won't be hard to take care of little groups.  If you form a large group, it won't be hard to take care of the group, just will take a different approach.  

Eventually gun ownership will be outlawed.
This is a fact.
We can put it off for a while, but it's coming.
Always think that this is inevitible.
Don't pretend gun owners are going to "rise up" and save our RTKABA.
They/we can't.
We can only delay it.
If you think this way, and act this way, you will avoid making foolish and indiscreet decisions that will affect you in the future.

Well, first of all they won't have to prove anything - they'll show up at your door with a list of guns registered to your name (by 4473s they got from gun dealers, and by private citizens you bought them from) and unless you produce either each and every gun on that list or notarized proof of its legal disposition, you and your family will be going to jail. Evidence will be manufactured to back up their trumped-up charges against you (child porn, drugs, etc) and your family members, friends, and co-workers will be threatened with prison if they don't testify against (read: lie about) you. If they [b]really[/b] want your guns, they're not going to let you go because you say "sorry, I sold all mine." [/quote]

1) There were a hell of alot of guns sold MANY years ago that have no trail or registration, hell there are even guns without serial numbers.  Maybe you don't have any.

2) There is no required method of disposal for firearms in Mass.  Without required proof of disposal they don't know they still exist.  If this fails resort back to #1

I guess I'd have to tell them the truth.......I sold all mine back in an anonymous gun buyback program.......for the children of course[;)]

If you're gonna die,
Die with your boots on.
If you're gonna try,
well... stick around.
Gonna cry?
Just move along.
If you're gonna die.
DIE!



MOLON LABE!

I may be an extreme cynic, but gun owners COULD stop the loss of the Constitution/Bill of Rights as they have the numbers, equipment, supplies, and in the case of ex and current military the training. The problem as stated before is WILL THEY? Americans are severly myopic when it comes to their lives as if they have to actually DO something that they will not personally see gains from in at most a week, they will just say no. When the country does finally reach the crossroads, gun owners will each ask themselves "Should I really give up my career and 6 figure income lifestyle just so I can own a gun? Am I really so sure I want to risk losing my family and worse yet my life?". Most will reply "Why should I? Things are going too good FOR ME to throw everything away." It is just reality. Even the founders saw this same attitude during the revolutionary war:

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace.  We ask not your counsel nor your
arms.  Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you.  May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."   --Samuel Adams

IIRC only 3% of the population in the 13 colonies participated in the actual hostilities and the remaining 97% were equally split between independence/loyalists. The numbers right now would be even worse. IMO at most there would be 2-300,000 taking up arms, mostly composed of pre-existing militias. It may sound like alot, but these would be scattered all throughout the U.S. The 4th arm of government, the media, would do it's best to compartmentalize and label as terrorism any actions done by the militia. This would lead to the demorlization to militias in other regions. If all you heard was bad news or no news at all, and it appeared that your group is on it's own would you keep fighting? I doubt it.

I too believe we COULD stop the loss of our rights - but won't because we refuse to pay the necessary price. I find it strange that so many were willing to fight for this country elsewhere on foreign battlefields with real bullets, but won't fight for it here.

Many people feel as if it's "not that bad" and that there need to fight simply isn't worth the price.  Incrementalism is what is going to take our rights away, as it already has and incrementalism is very hard to fight.  

I think it is evident that a mass roundup of guns will never happen due to public opinion and the politcal backlash this would cause.  

However, gun roundup's are already occurring incrementally, or haven't you noticed?  The buy back programs and banning of certain weapons because of "evil" features are gun confiscation programs.  The harrassment of dealers, manufactures and gun owners is another example.  We are being whittled down every single day.  We have far fewer rights of gun ownership then we did a few years ago.  

We've not stopped nor stemmed the tide against us, they'll keep at it, bit by bit until they have achieved what they want.  All I have to say is, when will we be stronger then we are already?  The answer is all too obvious, we won't.  Our strength and our numbers are decreasing all the time.  

Have we passed the point of no return, whereas our numbers are too few?  Not yet, but it is getting closer.  Meanwhile, the legislation keeps stacking higher and higher and the laws keep working against us and we keep getting fewer and fewer.  Too few will pay the necessary price and our heritage will be the ones who truly pay for our negligence.

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I will go with all the William Wallace references. "they can take our lives, but they can't take our freedom", personally I would rather die than live in tyranny.

Must agree with Henry Bowman.  We are past the point of no return.  No amount of lobbying or writing our representatives is going to change a thing.  If you believe it will, you need to wake up.  How far has the "all powerful" NRA gotten since 94?  Nowhere!  In fact we have been pushed back.  The NRA is a waste of time and money.  That time and money could be put to better use preparing for the inevitable.  

If confiscation were to begin, you can bet that I will be shooting it out.  I will not be bullied into giving up those rights granted me by God, which no man can take away.  (This goes beyond just the 2nd Amendment)  I can also grant you that when force is used by law enforcement and military to confiscate, there [b]will[/b] those who will go out and [b]hunt them down[/b], and rightfully so.  If at that time, you are LE, and don't want to be targeted for assassination, your best bet would be to not don the uniform.  It could cost you your life.  I'll tell you that will be a scary time to be LE or military.  


Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing all military and LE.  But if you are LE at the time this all happens, you are guilty by association, just like the rest of us.

SOL  

There's more to it. If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and confiscate your firearms-- kill him. "...And if you are able, go and kill the bureaucrat who sent him.

Gee, I wonder if it's even safe to air our thoughts on the internet with the feds monitoring. The big brother thing always makes me think to myself and not advertise that I could be their potential enemy.
No, really....That's the day I turn in my badge and continue to uphold the oath I took to defend this nation against enemies, both foreign and domestic...
I refuse to choose which amendments to the constitution I support or not, depending on the times. They are all equally important!
That should give the basic idea without revealing specifics.
Augie

Since all guns will be illegal that would be the time to get that select fire glock and have as many post 86 M 16 as postban lowers you can get your hands on.

This is no joke.  Since the first of the year in California, how many gun owners said the hell with it and went and made their AR's and FAL's full auto.  They are "illegal" regardless.  It reminds me of a line from "Unintended Consequences":  "The first one is expensive, the rest are free".

It is hard to stick your neck out when you are married w/ children, but I've already decided to not consider the consequences if some JBT's come knocking at the door.  Freedom has a price.

MOLON LABE.

P3[pyro][pissed]

I've seen some large PCV pipes maybe 12" or so in diameter. Get yourself a 4' section with the end caps, cut as many as you need and store away. If they are found, what the hell, you've lost them anyway. Lots of cosmolene!

It will more likely be UN "peacekeepers" that will confiscate your weapons, not police officers. most LEO's are pro RKBA. Most soldiers are pro-RKBA.

i dont envision them ever coming door to door to confiscate firearms from us serfs. the process is gradual, we will be breed out to undereducated, group conforming sheep.

  Local LEO walks into house to confiscate guns:


LEO: Sir, do you have any firearms? I'm here to seize them.

Ctzn: Uh, yessir, they're in that walk-in safe.

LEO: Thankyou, sir. (Walks in)Ho,hum,de-dum....
    (walks out) Thankyou sir, for supporting your government.

Ctzn: Mmmpphhtllrghh......

LEO leaves with a Lorcin 25auto in hand. Citizen closes safe door after looking at his collection of FALs, ARs, AKs, and 1911s......

More likely than the alternative, at least for Southrons.

Don't no nothin' bout' em, never owned one, don't no what yer talkin' bout!!!
DAAAAAH
none registered to me!!!

I would like to pose this question to those who will deny ownership of weapons on the confiscation list.  How will you know when they are going to confiscate?  If you have some 6th sense about this, would you please let the rest of us in on it.  If you don't have the 6th sense, I assume that you already have them cached, or are preparing the cache site for them.  It wouldn't be prudent to start loading all your now-illegal weapons into the Suburban to go out and bury them when you see the confiscators turn onto your street.  What I am saying is that if they are coming to get them, it's too late if you don't have them cached already.  You will either be fighting it out or handing them over.

SOL

There will be no door to door confiscation.  That is too risky and political suicide.  Instead they will be made illegal to possess.  Like someone else already posted, they will breed us out.

Look, Jefferson said the natural tendency is for gov't to become larger and more restrictive over time.  Almost every great society reached the point where they thought that the solution to all social ills was within their grasp and that the collective good was more important than the minor inconvienience of a few.  The fact is that there are so many people in this country that don't care either way.  We are very close to that point in our natural progression.  

Now IMO a revolution of gun owners is vialble but unity is key.  Remember the saying we must all stand together or we will surley hang seperately.  Do you think that for one instance they could stop one million riflemen from marching up to the capital and taking it?  Hell no!  We only have a couple hundred thousand on active duty anyway and how many among them would fire on fellow gun owners?  And if they did fire on those riflemen it would turn public opinion against them.  Like one of the framers stated, an armed people is far more powerful than any standing army and capable of defeating any gov't.

Hell all we really need is for us to stage a Million Gun Owner March a few times and we could get something done!  We just need to really stick together.  Get a million in DC, Get a couple hundred thousand at every state capital.  Get a couple thousand at municipal buildings.  We have the #'s to do it.  The problem is that unlike the lazy non-working soccer moms and fat Rosy watching anti-housewives we don't have the logistcal support to do it.  We have to earn a living.  

Hey guys.  The premise is that we are to govern ourselves and what is happening is that a minority(antis) which claims to be a majority is telling us how to live because we let them make a bigger squeak.  And we all know what happens to the biggest squeak right?  

As a free and armed society with #'s that far outwiegh any standing army we could in theory take the the antis out of power.  Why else do you think they want your guns!  Don't let anybody ever make you believe for one instance that we could not stage a successful revolt.  If it wasnt possible than they would have just come for them with a few soldiers and some light armor long ago.  They have to do it incrementally so as not to disturb the hornets nest!

Remeber it wass just 13 little colonies far away that defeated the most powerful empire ever!  

Lets get a form letter together for download,  post it on every pro-gun site, set up a hyper link and send it to every official in the gov't.  A few hundred thousand emails from individuals to the Whitehouse and Congress would open up somebody's eyes or bog down their systems.  Send them once a week.  When they block your ISP start sending it regular mail.  Who here cannot afford .34 cents a week?  It will get through.  These guys want votes and they will not take seriuosly a couple hundred letters but thousands will get their attention.

Anybody want to come up with the text?  Lets get this going.  It's easy and free!  And takes only a few seconds.

The chicken poop mama pokers don't come for your guns. They pass a law and expect you to turn them in "or you'll be sorry."

Look at the SKS in the People's Socialist Republik of Kalifornia . . . "turn 'em in" . . .

Yeah right!

I ain't got no stinkin' guns.