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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:42:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have statistics on that? Again, genuinely asking for data, not being a smartass. But keep up the personal attacks I guess. Jeeze dude, the FBI statistics are quite clear on this. only a tiny % of guns criminals use are obtained from a retail outlet or other legal means. How about you do some googling about it before you post ignorant shit? Or do we have to do it all for you? https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:42:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed that for you. They already do it with tax stamps. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guess I'll catch major shit for this but.......I think private sales of firearms should go through an FFL to help prevent criminals from obtaining guns. It's 20 bucks and 15 minutes of your time. But I will admit I don't know how significant the number of illegal private sales there actually are or if the data even exists. I guess I'm about to get flamed pretty hard but it always seemed reasonable to me. It seems reasonable unless you actually stop and think about it. You think it's reasonable to get government permission to exercise a right that the constitution prevents the government from infringing upon. What if they get backed up and it takes Then consider the fact that you can get 80% kits delivered to your door and 3d printer goes brrrrr How useful and reasonable are UBC really? Use your head. This is the same as red flag laws that "seem reasonable" until you consider the 2nd order effects for more than 5 seconds. Fixed that for you. They already do it with tax stamps. Fair. It's all unconstitutional bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:43:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He can't do that, otherwise FBHO would have done it already. FJB Who's going to stop him? No platform for disagreement. NRA in disarray. What can you or I do? 
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:43:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Background checks for all sales have done so much to keep guns out of the hands of criminals here in California.  thats really NOT the point, haven't you been paying attention? 
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:44:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:44:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why we need storage laws, so if it's stolen they can prosecute the gun owner a long with the criminal Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did it ever occur to that criminals will just steal them if they can't buy them? Or do think they obey gun laws as opposed to all the other laws they break? That's why we need storage laws, so if it's stolen they can prosecute the gun owner a long with the criminal |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:44:49 PM EDT
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The thread isn't even an hour old and three belligerent gun grabbers have swooped in.
I can't even save the thread as their names vanish once it's archived. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:private sales of firearms should go through an FFL to help prevent criminals from obtaining guns. @mokerr - why are you in favor of mandatory registration? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:45:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jeeze dude, the FBI statistics are quite clear on this. only a tiny % of guns criminals use are obtained from a retail outlet or other legal means. How about you do some googling about it before you post ignorant shit? Or do we have to do it all for you? https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you have statistics on that? Again, genuinely asking for data, not being a smartass. But keep up the personal attacks I guess. Jeeze dude, the FBI statistics are quite clear on this. only a tiny % of guns criminals use are obtained from a retail outlet or other legal means. How about you do some googling about it before you post ignorant shit? Or do we have to do it all for you? https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf So less than 2% of guns used in crimes are bought legally. You want to fix crime? Get repeat offenders off the streets permanently. Done. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:45:35 PM EDT
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yea, i dont care. not gonna obey it anyway
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:46:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My opinion and I could be wrong. The example from trump was it showed they could do it and we weren't going to fight back. They called our bluff, proved themselves to be right and we are going to get fucking steamrolled. I think it was more that the court didn't want to hear the case, because cowards. It is clearly unconstitutional. But the bump stock thing is difficult because to most people it does look like it converts rifles to FA. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: dont worry, we scotus now Scotus seems cowed. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's it, I am done with the Democratic party. LOL |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck those that did not vote for Trump because "of my toy bumpstock". Trump got plenty of votes to win, you can't out-vote a printer on full brrrrr. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:47:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny thing about that part... THEY DON'T CARE. And who's going to stop them?? That's correct. They don't care about the constitution or rule of law. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump opened that door up already. Obama tried to ban bump stocks, but his atf ruled that they couldn't. Trump went on and did the same thing, using pressure from the Vegas liberal that shot up the concert. Now we are in a place where atf takes direct orders to reinterpret laws from the president. Like the 1989 "sporting purpose" reinterpretation. I guess Trump invented time travel. The Biden administration is six days old, already trying to ban guns, and you people are still bitching about Trump. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:50:00 PM EDT
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Anyone who is arguing that this will “reduce crime” is aggressively retarded or merely ignorant of the facts.
Gun control is not about crime reduction |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe when voting also requires a background check each time a ballot is cast Voting should, at least, be subject to the same scutiny as buying a belt fed machine gun. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:50:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we still celebrating the death of the NRA because the douche at that top enriched himself by skimming off the top of the donations? Yes. You realize the NICS was their fucking idea, right? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I'll catch major shit for this but.......I think private sales of firearms should go through an FFL to help prevent criminals from obtaining guns. It's 20 bucks and 15 minutes of your time. But I will admit I don't know how significant the number of illegal private sales there actually are or if the data even exists. I guess I'm about to get flamed pretty hard but it always seemed reasonable to me. @mokerr 
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:50:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I'll catch major shit for this but.......I think private sales of firearms should go through an FFL to help prevent criminals from obtaining guns. It's 20 bucks and 15 minutes of your time. But I will admit I don't know how significant the number of illegal private sales there actually are or if the data even exists. I guess I'm about to get flamed pretty hard but it always seemed reasonable to me. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:51:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have statistics on that? Again, genuinely asking for data, not being a smartass. But keep up the personal attacks I guess. There were studies done, mostly back in the 90s (when crime was higher). Crime is mostly done by a small number of people. Inner city gangs deal in drugs and then become involved in illegal guns (stolen by people looking to buy drugs). Homicide is driven by criminals who illegally obtain guns, and not at gun shows or normal person-to-person sales. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:52:02 PM EDT
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We have expensive ammo we won't shoot in guns that will be illegal to own anyway.
At least we're in a safe place to complain about it. They're taking away our second amendment but we still got our ... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:52:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason the fed govt had the authority to mandate background checks by FFLs is because of the Commerce Clause. A president has no legal authority to mandate background checks for private sales by EO Laughs in Gonzales v Raich |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:52:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't do that with an EO. It's circumventing the whole legislative process. EO's were created as a stopgap for emergencies when an immediate response was needed in foreign policy dealing with other countries. it's not designed for domestic legislation. Marine One is a helicopter. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:52:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. You realize the NCIS was their fucking idea, right? You're right. We are much better off with no one lobbying for us in congress. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:53:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No need to be an ass, I was generally referring to law abiding citizens unknowingly selling to criminals face to face due to lack of background check requirement. I do NOT know how often it actually occurs though. That's the thing. Is there any evidence that the background checks reduced gun crime? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:53:50 PM EDT
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I would have liked a XCR.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:54:00 PM EDT
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For the gun people who voted for Joe Xiden, this is what they are going to get, too late to complain, now is the time to comply, ie if Slow Joe is really going to do a EO for gun background check. The NRA is not going to save your bacon now.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:54:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe when voting also requires a background check each time a ballot is cast Note that they are now pushing to have an unconstitutional law make voting fraud easy nationally. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's going to do what he wants and no one will stop him. We're in a post-coup country now. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:54:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: News flash... Since we didn’t and are not going to use them for their intended purpose, as we sit here and watch the nation crumble, they are all range toys. All the quitters can take up darts. They will still make holes in paper and it’s much cheaper. Assault Lawn Darts? 
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:55:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I join you because I support things that make sense. Same with safe storage - works in Switzerland why shouldn't it work here ? Once you do the required paperwork in Switzerland you can buy a brand new MP5 full auto right from the factory. All of this without politics, mass shootings or idiots that let their kids play with guns. I'm sure the same folks that whine about the right to voice an opinion are already getting the pitchforks and torches ready - bring it on :-) Banning you again makes sense. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:55:36 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why you buy long before the stupidity starts. If you are just starting to buy now you have waited far to long. their "coming to Jesus" moment. Life is going to be hard for them. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:56:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never understood why the slippery slope argument is considered a fallacy. We can see this happening right in front of us. It depends on the context I think. If the person pushing the restriction is actually honest about intent, and isn't just trying to edge things in their direction. The left isn't honest. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:56:23 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why you buy long before the stupidity starts. If you are just starting to buy now you have waited far to long. There are people just turning 18 or 21 every day. Their options were limited. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:56:36 PM EDT
[#37]
Lol, I'm not subject to executive order.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:56:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I'll catch major shit for this but.......I think private sales of firearms should go through an FFL to help prevent criminals from obtaining guns. It's 20 bucks and 15 minutes of your time. But I will admit I don't know how significant the number of illegal private sales there actually are or if the data even exists. I guess I'm about to get flamed pretty hard but it always seemed reasonable to me. I honestly don't even know that to say, other than, I am disappointed. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:57:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I'll catch major shit for this but.......I think private sales of firearms should go through an FFL to help prevent criminals from obtaining guns. It's 20 bucks and 15 minutes of your time. But I will admit I don't know how significant the number of illegal private sales there actually are or if the data even exists. I guess I'm about to get flamed pretty hard but it always seemed reasonable to me. Sorry you hate freedom, bro. I bet you agree thought crimes deserve special punishment.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:57:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Why should I obey the law when the laws are made by criminals.
just sayin' |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:58:06 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. You realize the NCIS was their fucking idea, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are we still celebrating the death of the NRA because the douche at that top enriched himself by skimming off the top of the donations? Yes. You realize the NCIS was their fucking idea, right? How about you put your statement in the proper context? Back in 1994 when the Democrats controlled everything and were going to ram through the Brady Bill no matter what, the NRA stepped in and was able to minimize the damage they were doing. The Democrats has planned a paper trail (backdoor registration) and had implemented a waiting period to buy guns so that the mail in version of a background check could be completed. You being able to walk into a gun store, the dealer makes a call, and you walk out with a gun is thanks to the NRA. Perhaps you rather wait 30 days to pickup up your purchase. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:58:21 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some states allow a CCW and a FTF sale to bypass NICS. They will end that soon. ATF is the one who has allowed CCWs to stand in for background checks, so I expect that to end. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:58:24 PM EDT
[#43]
I don't buy firearms from anyone and have sold all but one 10-22 and M1a that were 4473ed. 80% for the win..
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:59:47 PM EDT
[#44]
As if I'm going to follow that.
*third hole* |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:59:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like the 1989 "sporting purpose" reinterpretation. I guess Trump invented time travel. The Biden administration is six days old, already trying to ban guns, and you people are still bitching about Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump opened that door up already. Obama tried to ban bump stocks, but his atf ruled that they couldn't. Trump went on and did the same thing, using pressure from the Vegas liberal that shot up the concert. Now we are in a place where atf takes direct orders to reinterpret laws from the president. Like the 1989 "sporting purpose" reinterpretation. I guess Trump invented time travel. The Biden administration is six days old, already trying to ban guns, and you people are still bitching about Trump. Sorry, still waiting for that 87th dimensional chess move to play out. Are you guys going to fight this one or just let it happen like last time? Maybe the NRA can invite Biden so he can speak to them too. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:00:42 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I'll catch major shit for this but.......I think private sales of firearms should go through an FFL to help prevent criminals from obtaining guns. It's 20 bucks and 15 minutes of your time. But I will admit I don't know how significant the number of illegal private sales there actually are or if the data even exists. I guess I'm about to get flamed pretty hard but it always seemed reasonable to me. You also like Pit Bull trash dogs so you just added to your list of bad opinions decisions and life choices. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed, all I'm saying is that Trump showed them a new trick to use, or at least set the precedent that it could be done. I think the significant thing is the change in what they are willing to do. They are much more bold all along the line, after all many are now calling for our re-education. In context Trump's ban seems to me to be a fart in the wind. They are not restraining any of their goals now, guns will be no different. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:02:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I join you because I support things that make sense. Same with safe storage - works in Switzerland why shouldn't it work here ? Once you do the required paperwork in Switzerland you can buy a brand new MP5 full auto right from the factory. All of this without politics, mass shootings or idiots that let their kids play with guns. I'm sure the same folks that whine about the right to voice an opinion are already getting the pitchforks and torches ready - bring it on :-)  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:03:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God Bless Texas As much as I somewhat like abbott he cant even get constitutional carry passed. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right. We are much better off with no one lobbying for us in congress. News flash since you haven’t been paying attention... the ones in control of Congress are the ones that took down the NRA. Who were you hoping they’d lobby to, exactly? |
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