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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:47:39 AM EDT
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There has to be more to this story , much more.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:50:22 AM EDT
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As a young hunter, I’ve always carried while hunting. This shit is what scares me the most when I’m out. Doesn’t matter if it’s archery, rifle or waterfowl hunting.
Crazy ass dudes... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:03:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Killed two kids, one if which I knew. Chance worked at final fight outfitters in union city, a large locally owned hunting and shooting store. Nice kid, quiet but could be funny as hell. David Vowell had hunting partners who stopped hunting with him because he'd gone off the deep end years ago. He's a POS and I hope he dies a painful death. Reelfoot Lake, as another poster mentioned, has a colorful history. From the Nightriders to current day shenanigans, it's an interesting history. Duck blinds are seen as private property by some folks, even though their use is subject to a lottery draw by the TWRA. It isn't odd to have your decoys sunk/stolen, somebody pepper your blind with bird shot, shoot your boat, or shoot you because you're hunting in "their" blind. Damn sorry to hear about your friend  I hate senseless stuff like this... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:17:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn sorry to hear about your friend I hate senseless stuff like this... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Killed two kids, one if which I knew. Chance worked at final fight outfitters in union city, a large locally owned hunting and shooting store. Nice kid, quiet but could be funny as hell. David Vowell had hunting partners who stopped hunting with him because he'd gone off the deep end years ago. He's a POS and I hope he dies a painful death. Reelfoot Lake, as another poster mentioned, has a colorful history. From the Nightriders to current day shenanigans, it's an interesting history. Duck blinds are seen as private property by some folks, even though their use is subject to a lottery draw by the TWRA. It isn't odd to have your decoys sunk/stolen, somebody pepper your blind with bird shot, shoot your boat, or shoot you because you're hunting in "their" blind. Damn sorry to hear about your friend I hate senseless stuff like this... Its all too common in rural hunting communities. A few years ago some deputies another county over got into a shootout with a nutball guy I know when the dude was trespassing on private property. The owner had enough of trespassing to hunt, drove out to chase him off as usual, and the trespasser shot out the windows on his truck. The deputies went out, there was an exchange of gunfire, and the guy gave up with no injuries to anyone. His excuse was "My family built that property, its ours for life." The house had been built in the mid 1800s, and abandoned and the property sold sometime before WWI. It was a well known hang out spot for local teens and a bottle of MD 20/20, but this one particular family had some weird claim over it. The dumb fuck wasn't even alive when the property was sold off, but it was still their property in his mind through tradition and story passed down through the generations. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:18:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There has to be more to this story , much more. Why? If anyone wants proof of why young guys don’t have much use for hunting, look no further. This is an extreme example, but the attitude that if you’re not hunting the “right” way you don’t deserve it is prevalent. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:24:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? If anyone wants proof of why young guys don’t have much use for hunting, look no further. This is an extreme example, but the attitude that if you’re not hunting the “right” way you don’t deserve it is prevalent. Extreme indeed ! |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:28:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Extreme indeed ! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why? If anyone wants proof of why young guys don’t have much use for hunting, look no further. This is an extreme example, but the attitude that if you’re not hunting the “right” way you don’t deserve it is prevalent. Extreme indeed ! Another example are the Land Tawneys and Steve Rinellas trying to make it so you can’t hunt if you’re not packing sharp sticks 10 miles into a wilderness area for a week. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:33:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hunt a little (not very successfully LOL). I didn't start hunting until I was in my 30s. One of the things that turned my off of it for a long time was how otherwise normal, level-headed, upstanding members of society would turn into irrational raging assholes once their preferred hunting season started. and you would've thought I was actually Hitler the way the people after me criticized my playing for taking their cards. I realize it's not the same thing but those old retire fucks will give you their opinion |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:35:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its all too common in rural hunting communities. A few years ago some deputies another county over got into a shootout with a nutball guy I know when the dude was trespassing on private property. The owner had enough of trespassing to hunt, drove out to chase him off as usual, and the trespasser shot out the windows on his truck. The deputies went out, there was an exchange of gunfire, and the guy gave up with no injuries to anyone. His excuse was "My family built that property, its ours for life." The house had been built in the mid 1800s, and abandoned and the property sold sometime before WWI. It was a well known hang out spot for local teens and a bottle of MD 20/20, but this one particular family had some weird claim over it. The dumb fuck wasn't even alive when the property was sold off, but it was still their property in his mind through tradition and story passed down through the generations. I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:38:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its all too common in rural hunting communities. A few years ago some deputies another county over got into a shootout with a nutball guy I know when the dude was trespassing on private property. The owner had enough of trespassing to hunt, drove out to chase him off as usual, and the trespasser shot out the windows on his truck. The deputies went out, there was an exchange of gunfire, and the guy gave up with no injuries to anyone. His excuse was "My family built that property, its ours for life." The house had been built in the mid 1800s, and abandoned and the property sold sometime before WWI. It was a well known hang out spot for local teens and a bottle of MD 20/20, but this one particular family had some weird claim over it. The dumb fuck wasn't even alive when the property was sold off, but it was still their property in his mind through tradition and story passed down through the generations. I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. They are losers and they think it is their turf. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:39:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. Ive was threatened countless times while riding quads, dirt bikes, sleds on land that was not posted. A few times I thought for sure we were going to go to blows with these old jerkoffs who think they control everything. Some were armed. I bet they feel really tough threatening teenagers while carrying. Ive flung lots of dirt in old farts faces... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:47:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Duck hunters are serious about that shit. I have heard stories about old timers protecting what they thought was theirs in the world of waterfowling. Add in all the internet hunters and the fact that "reality" shows are helping to ruin the sport, and crazy old fools like this guy do even more dumb shit. I have never found a spot that was even worth a fistfight, let alone a gunfight. I hope he is found and doesn't use mental illness as an excuse to not be punished severely. It's terrible that those two young men were killed. If it's true about the third guy had to witness it, that is going to haunt him for his entire life. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:51:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its all too common in rural hunting communities. A few years ago some deputies another county over got into a shootout with a nutball guy I know when the dude was trespassing on private property. The owner had enough of trespassing to hunt, drove out to chase him off as usual, and the trespasser shot out the windows on his truck. The deputies went out, there was an exchange of gunfire, and the guy gave up with no injuries to anyone. His excuse was "My family built that property, its ours for life." The house had been built in the mid 1800s, and abandoned and the property sold sometime before WWI. It was a well known hang out spot for local teens and a bottle of MD 20/20, but this one particular family had some weird claim over it. The dumb fuck wasn't even alive when the property was sold off, but it was still their property in his mind through tradition and story passed down through the generations. I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. We even have people here in arfcom defend that attitude. Just last week in a thread about someones hunting cabin getting burned down, a member said its because the "outsiders" don't give the "locals" a "fair shake." Lol fuck that. My philosophy is money exchanged hands, titles changed owners, stay the fuck off my property or you can be buried in it. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:57:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are losers and they think it is their turf. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Its all too common in rural hunting communities. A few years ago some deputies another county over got into a shootout with a nutball guy I know when the dude was trespassing on private property. The owner had enough of trespassing to hunt, drove out to chase him off as usual, and the trespasser shot out the windows on his truck. The deputies went out, there was an exchange of gunfire, and the guy gave up with no injuries to anyone. His excuse was "My family built that property, its ours for life." The house had been built in the mid 1800s, and abandoned and the property sold sometime before WWI. It was a well known hang out spot for local teens and a bottle of MD 20/20, but this one particular family had some weird claim over it. The dumb fuck wasn't even alive when the property was sold off, but it was still their property in his mind through tradition and story passed down through the generations. I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. They are losers and they think it is their turf. Methbillies are the reason I always carry a side arm during hunting season or any other time I'm off in the wilderness. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:05:50 AM EDT
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Fudd!
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:18:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We even have people here in arfcom defend that attitude. Just last week in a thread about someones hunting cabin getting burned down, a member said its because the "outsiders" don't give the "locals" a "fair shake." Lol fuck that. My philosophy is money exchanged hands, titles changed owners, stay the fuck off my property or you can be buried in it. To be fair, one person posted that, out of an 8 or 9 page thread. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:21:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you seen Thorazines cooking threads? 
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:21:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There has to be more to this story , much more. Also, this. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:25:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ive was threatened countless times while riding quads, dirt bikes, sleds on land that was not posted. A few times I thought for sure we were going to go to blows with these old jerkoffs who think they control everything. Some were armed. I bet they feel really tough threatening teenagers while carrying. Ive flung lots of dirt in old farts faces... “Not posted” is your yard posted? I haven’t got all of my land posted. I suppose that gives you the right to do what you want on it? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:31:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. What kind of behaviors was the old man exhibiting that chased off his old hunting partners? Getting pissed that someone was calling "his ducks" in, getting pissed they were shooting "his ducks". etc etc That's what I'm hearing anyway. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:32:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry for the loss of your friend. It's hard to get a good picture of the situation based on the Facebook posts. Everyone that knew Vowell seemed to think this was competent out of character, pillar of the community and all. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:33:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ive was threatened countless times while riding quads, dirt bikes, sleds on land that was not posted. A few times I thought for sure we were going to go to blows with these old jerkoffs who think they control everything. Some were armed. I bet they feel really tough threatening teenagers while carrying. Ive flung lots of dirt in old farts faces... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. Ive was threatened countless times while riding quads, dirt bikes, sleds on land that was not posted. A few times I thought for sure we were going to go to blows with these old jerkoffs who think they control everything. Some were armed. I bet they feel really tough threatening teenagers while carrying. Ive flung lots of dirt in old farts faces... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:38:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Damn! Are you allowed to take some centerfire rifle protection while out there in the boat? I know i would. Reelfoot Lake was farmland prior to the earthquake in 1811. It was privately owned and had been for a long time. After the quake, the lake was formed. Private developers came in and tried to buy it; most were chased off in a bad way...one of them was killed and his attorney seriously injured. The state of TN made it public land and took over conservation. Local families still "laid claim" to areas around the lake as many used it for their way of life. The duck blind battles have gone on for a while. Some hunters when lottery-picked for certain blinds, forgo their opportunity to lease it from the state because they don't want to deal with Molotov cocktails being tossed at them or dodging birdshot. It's not like this on all hunting spots, most are just fine. A few though could be a little sketchy. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:39:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's gotten out of hand out there. Again, most of this attitude goes back generations. Reelfoot Lake was farmland prior to the earthquake in 1811. It was privately owned and had been for a long time. After the quake, the lake was formed. Private developers came in and tried to buy it; most were chased off in a bad way...one of them was killed and his attorney seriously injured. The state of TN made it public land and took over conservation. Local families still "laid claim" to areas around the lake as many used it for their way of life. The duck blind battles have gone on for a while. Some hunters when lottery-picked for certain blinds, forgo their opportunity to lease it from the state because they don't want to deal with Molotov cocktails being tossed at them or dodging birdshot. It's not like this on all hunting spots, most are just fine. A few though could be a little sketchy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn! Are you allowed to take some centerfire rifle protection while out there in the boat? I know i would. It's gotten out of hand out there. Again, most of this attitude goes back generations. Reelfoot Lake was farmland prior to the earthquake in 1811. It was privately owned and had been for a long time. After the quake, the lake was formed. Private developers came in and tried to buy it; most were chased off in a bad way...one of them was killed and his attorney seriously injured. The state of TN made it public land and took over conservation. Local families still "laid claim" to areas around the lake as many used it for their way of life. The duck blind battles have gone on for a while. Some hunters when lottery-picked for certain blinds, forgo their opportunity to lease it from the state because they don't want to deal with Molotov cocktails being tossed at them or dodging birdshot. It's not like this on all hunting spots, most are just fine. A few though could be a little sketchy. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:42:20 AM EDT
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I’m missing something here.
Where is the “he shot them for hunting his ducks” narrative coming from? I don’t really doubt that that’s how it went down, but how are we determining this? I just see a very rudimentary news story. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:44:14 AM EDT
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A brief background here. While it doesn't have much to do with Vowell's actions (he's not a Lake County native), it does provide some background on the other junk that goes on.
https://www.tnmagazine.org/reelfoot-lake-dark-history-night-riders/ |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:45:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m missing something here. Where is the “he shot them for hunting his ducks” narrative coming from? I don’t really doubt that that’s how it went down, but how are we determining this? I just see a very rudimentary news story. There was a third guy in the blind with the two that were killed and that is the is the story he's old as I understand it. It's a very small town so things like this travel quickly. Plus, Vowell was apparently well known to lash out at other hunters for things like this. Vowell and his brother own a lumber yard/building supply store in Martin, TN. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:48:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a third guy in the blind with the two that were killed and that is the is the story he's old as I understand it. It's a very small town so things like this travel quickly. Plus, Vowell was apparently well known to lash out at other hunters for things like this. Vowell and his brother own a lumber yard/building supply store in Martin, TN. Ah. Thanks. Just a crazy old man it would seem. Dementia is some scary shit. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:50:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, one person posted that, out of an 8 or 9 page thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We even have people here in arfcom defend that attitude. Just last week in a thread about someones hunting cabin getting burned down, a member said its because the "outsiders" don't give the "locals" a "fair shake." Lol fuck that. My philosophy is money exchanged hands, titles changed owners, stay the fuck off my property or you can be buried in it. To be fair, one person posted that, out of an 8 or 9 page thread. To be even more fair, he wasn’t defending or excusing the attitude or behavior, either. Just merely explaining the reality, however wrong it may be, of some situations. But a bunch of low comprehension members completely misunderstood it. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:53:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Dad just died this spring, but he lived just down the road from Reelfoot Lake for 40 years. It is the most redneck methbilly place on earth. When I was stationed in St. Louis, the wife and I RV camped at Reelfoot lake several times. Never during hunting season. We both carried the entire time we were there. I can not argue with you. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:58:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ive was threatened countless times while riding quads, dirt bikes, sleds on land that was not posted. A few times I thought for sure we were going to go to blows with these old jerkoffs who think they control everything. Some were armed. I bet they feel really tough threatening teenagers while carrying. Ive flung lots of dirt in old farts faces... Just to be clear. You think if the land is not posted, you can ride on it and tear it up? Then get pissed when the owner confronts you? Is your front yard Posted? Asking for a friend. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:01:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its all too common in rural hunting communities. A few years ago some deputies another county over got into a shootout with a nutball guy I know when the dude was trespassing on private property. The owner had enough of trespassing to hunt, drove out to chase him off as usual, and the trespasser shot out the windows on his truck. The deputies went out, there was an exchange of gunfire, and the guy gave up with no injuries to anyone. His excuse was "My family built that property, its ours for life." The house had been built in the mid 1800s, and abandoned and the property sold sometime before WWI. It was a well known hang out spot for local teens and a bottle of MD 20/20, but this one particular family had some weird claim over it. The dumb fuck wasn't even alive when the property was sold off, but it was still their property in his mind through tradition and story passed down through the generations. I'll never understand this attitude. "muh family's land" Nah buddy not yours anymore. Arkansas is worse than this. They think public land is their bc their family built the blind years ago. Lots of fights and gunfire over public land every year. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:11:47 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a third guy in the blind with the two that were killed and that is the is the story he's old as I understand it. It's a very small town so things like this travel quickly. Plus, Vowell was apparently well known to lash out at other hunters for things like this. Vowell and his brother own a lumber yard/building supply store in Martin, TN. I was trying to remember how I knew that name. They’ve supplied the lumber package for a few commercial jobs I’ve done in the area. Edit: spelling |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Not posted” is your yard posted? I haven’t got all of my land posted. I suppose that gives you the right to do what you want on it? nope and nope. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Posted in or not did you have permission to be on the land owners land? not posted. i believe in NY its required by law or you cannot do much about it. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:17:44 PM EDT
[#36]
Prayers for the deceased. I wish one of them could have delivered a face-full of steel #2s to the asshole.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just to be clear. You think if the land is not posted, you can ride on it and tear it up? Then get pissed when the owner confronts you? Is your front yard Posted? Asking for a friend. see my other post. they can confront me, but threatening with a weapon over land, lol. especially when we were kids.. ol boomers |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:22:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Third hand information from a “neighbor “ of Vowell:
He was shot by a game warden. I don’t know if true or a local rumor. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:29:29 PM EDT
[#39]
Well, if that's true, too bad for him.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:32:50 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Third hand information from a “neighbor “ of Vowell: He was shot by a game warden. I don’t know if true or a local rumor. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:36:05 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Third hand information from a “neighbor “ of Vowell: He was shot by a game warden. I don’t know if true or a local rumor. Let's hope so. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: see my other post. they can confront me, but threatening with a weapon over land, lol. especially when we were kids.. ol boomers Yeah. It’s pretty “boomer” to respect private property. Just because you paid for something doesn’t mean others can’t use it without permission |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:55:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be even more fair, he wasn’t defending or excusing the attitude or behavior, either. Just merely explaining the reality, however wrong it may be, of some situations. But a bunch of low comprehension members completely misunderstood it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We even have people here in arfcom defend that attitude. Just last week in a thread about someones hunting cabin getting burned down, a member said its because the "outsiders" don't give the "locals" a "fair shake." Lol fuck that. My philosophy is money exchanged hands, titles changed owners, stay the fuck off my property or you can be buried in it. To be fair, one person posted that, out of an 8 or 9 page thread. To be even more fair, he wasn’t defending or excusing the attitude or behavior, either. Just merely explaining the reality, however wrong it may be, of some situations. But a bunch of low comprehension members completely misunderstood it. "But people also need to understand that local tradition might trump property lines and laws. " Sure sounds like defending criminal activity because of "tradition" to me. But what do I know, what with all my low comprehension and all? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reelfoot Lake is a neat story of its own. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:02:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A brief background here. While it doesn't have much to do with Vowell's actions (he's not a Lake County native), it does provide some background on the other junk that goes on. https://www.tnmagazine.org/reelfoot-lake-dark-history-night-riders/ Fascinating. It even comes complete with religious divine right zealots. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:05:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There has to be more to this story , much more. In certain parts of TN, it woudn't be a stretch at all. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:09:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. Excellent duck hunting as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Reelfoot Lake is a neat story of its own. True. Excellent duck hunting as well. And apparently, excellent duck hunter hunting, too. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:10:45 PM EDT
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Reelfoot is kind of a cool place.
Been there twice. Just day trips, when my Dad lived in McKenzie TN, doing touristy crap. Good catfish at The Blue Bank  The lake was formed by the New Madrid Earthquake. A pic a took on the boat ride.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:12:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ive was threatened countless times while riding quads, dirt bikes, sleds on land that was not posted. A few times I thought for sure we were going to go to blows with these old jerkoffs who think they control everything. Some were armed. I bet they feel really tough threatening teenagers while carrying. Ive flung lots of dirt in old farts faces... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:18:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah. Thanks. Just a crazy old man it would seem. Dementia is some scary shit. May not be dementia. Some people, even the old, are just plain assholes. |
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