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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:25:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where does the constitution prevent Congress from impeaching a former president? Or, rather, where does it say that only a sitting president may be impeached? That's not how the constitution works. Where does the constitution say the Congress can't bring you up on charges in the House of Representatives and then try you in the Senate? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:27:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a name or link? William Belknap. He was acquitted because a large minority of the Senate believed the impeachment of a private citizen to be unconstitutional, although everyone agreed he was guilty. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:28:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 'President of the United States' is generally interpreted to mean the sitting potus. Because Trump is no longer the sitting potus the chief justice isn't required to preside, it's just a 'normal' impeachment, ala a judge or senator. Trump was never a judge or senator. Making things up to suit your opinion is unbecoming, and certainly not correct. Also, either Trump is potus, and impeachable, or no longer potus, and no longer impeachable. Seems clear that the statute of limitations in that regard ran out with his term in office. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:28:22 AM EDT
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The base is going through hate withdrawals.
The Dems have to do this to quench the rabbit base. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:30:32 AM EDT
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This whole kabuki theater with repeated impeachment is the best example of a government gone off the rails. Both sides are just flailing around trying to be relevant.
The DC establishment is not repairable. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:56:25 AM EDT
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A real dog faced pony show ??
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:57:26 AM EDT
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Does Leahy even know which door leads to the bathroom?
WTF? Kangaroo Court in the Banana Republic of America. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:58:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where's the constitutional authority for a former President to be impeached at all? Can someone who was never President at all be impeached? There's no constitutional authority for that, either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The President isn't being impeached, the FORMER President is. There's no Constitutional requirement for the Chief Justice to preside. Where's the constitutional authority for a former President to be impeached at all? Can someone who was never President at all be impeached? There's no constitutional authority for that, either. I wonder where you can find that information... https://history.house.gov/Institution/Impeachment/Impeachment-List/ 5 people Impeached before the first President to be Impeached... 2 Judges impeached between Clinton and the 1st Trump impeachment. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:02:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We know it's Kangaroo court, but instead of opinion...here it is...let's turn to The Constitution... Article I, Section 3, Clause 6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. Nothing more should be said. Yeah, but the next section says: Article I, Section 3, Clause 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. He's already out of office but they can still prevent him from being elected again, and kill his lifetime pay. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:04:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The president was impeached. He left office. Now they want to try a former president. A private citizen. They can't do that. Once he left office, the impeachment is moot. And yes there is a Constitutional requirement for the Chief Justice to preside. In fact he is the only one called out to do so. There's a whole bunch of Constitutional Lawyers that disagree with you. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:10:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a whole bunch of Constitutional Lawyers that disagree with you. Name five of them so we can judge their qualifications to make that assertion. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:10:32 AM EDT
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Didn't read all of this. If Leahy is sitting as president pro tempore of the Senate, the Republicans have a 50-49 majority for every issue that comes up to a vote.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:16:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why arent the R's screaming in disagreement with all this? JFC, it is unconscionable. The fix is in. They've shown that elections are for sale. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:21:06 AM EDT
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There is no such thing as "former president" in the Constitution, so a trial now looks more like a bill of attainder than a impeachment trial (and no Chief Justice either.) If Trump was so bad why didn't they choose to have a Senate trial and vote before the inauguration? If it was truly an emergency they could have. Nasty Pelosi didn't even send over the paperwork until 1/25.
OTOH, one could argue that since Trump actually won the election, he really is President, so the trial is in order  |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:22:58 AM EDT
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 the fact they are doing this means they are still scared of him. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:25:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the Constitution say? To my understanding, Un-Constitutional. But with the way things have been going? Banana republic. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:26:15 AM EDT
[#17]
Something is still fishy about Roberts.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:26:21 AM EDT
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If the CJ isn't there, then it's not an impeachment trial. It's just a stage show.
And Roberts is correct. You can't try someone who isn't in office. No different than trying someone who's dead or trying the Tooth Fairy. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:31:22 AM EDT
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With Leahy involved, we'll be able to read about what has happened behind closed doors in the NY Times.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:34:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is either being impeached for his actions while president or he is not. A private citizen cannot be impeached. Hey, maybe we can all be impeached now! That would really teach us all a lesson! |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:36:07 AM EDT
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They stole the election. Now they want to rape the reputation of the victim of their election theft.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:42:11 AM EDT
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Next they'll be impeaching citizens with political aspirations so they can't run for office.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:03:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, maybe we can all be impeached now! That would really teach us all a lesson! Why don't they make themselves useful and impeach Jimmy Carter for being weak and generally lousy? They could take this to the logical conclusion; dig up dead presidents and impeach them, like the English did with Cromwell. Woodrow Wilson's desiccated head would make a great paperweight for my office. He could probably be impeached for saying intemperate things about the Germans. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 2:59:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry but what's the constitutional justification for having an impeachment trial for someone that is a private citizen now? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:01:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the Constitution say? It says, NO! |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:02:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They stole the election. Now they want to rape the reputation of the victim of their election theft. My money is on Trump bending them over instead! |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:02:42 AM EDT
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After getting our asses handed to us over a fraudulent election, the best possible thing that could happen is this nutty clown shit.
Literally the crazier it gets, the better |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:05:13 AM EDT
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Trump is getting.... DOUBLE SECRET IMPEACHMENT!
-Dean Pelosi |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Next they'll be impeaching citizens with political aspirations so they can't run for office. Clearly, they're so scared of Trump that they're going forward with this unconstitutional sham in an effort to prohibit him from running in 2024. The next logical step, if this is allowed to stand, is to start preemptively impeaching people to prohibit them from running. This is 100% banana republic / third world country level bullshit. In case anyone hasn't figured it out yet — it's OVER for the United States of America. Period. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:58:00 PM EDT
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Fake convict Trump in the Senate showtrial with a normal majority.
Trump I guess would take it to the Supreme Court and it would be struck down with the 'beyoned fucked up procedure even for us' doctrine. Dems: Obvious proof the Supreme Court needs a pack'n... Should such a development take place all bets are pretty much off IMO. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no such thing as "former president" in the Constitution, so a trial now looks more like a bill of attainder than a impeachment trial (and no Chief Justice either.) If Trump was so bad why didn't they choose to have a Senate trial and vote before the inauguration? If it was truly an emergency they could have. Nasty Pelosi didn't even send over the paperwork until 1/25. OTOH, one could argue that since Trump actually won the election, he really is President, so the trial is in order |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:37:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you mean? An elected president is still the president when he is out of office. I am not following your logic. It means that this is the Senate going after a Private Citizen, and producing an edict that says the Citizen can't run for future office. With this as a method, a majority party could "Impeach" and convict potential candidates, as a means of preventing them from being able to run for office. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It means that this is the Senate going after a Private Citizen, and producing an edict that says the Citizen can't run for future office. With this as a method, a majority party could "Impeach" and convict potential candidates, as a means of preventing them from being able to run for office. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What do you mean? An elected president is still the president when he is out of office. I am not following your logic. It means that this is the Senate going after a Private Citizen, and producing an edict that says the Citizen can't run for future office. With this as a method, a majority party could "Impeach" and convict potential candidates, as a means of preventing them from being able to run for office. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 6:58:03 PM EDT
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I am senator Leahy and I am Impartial. And by the way I vote to Convict!
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Posted: 1/26/2021 7:16:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I posted in a dupe thread, that if Roberts did not show up and take his place (displacing anyone sitting there), then we have crossed the threshold. It is impossible to read the Constitution any other way, impossible to twist what is plainly prescribed. It's also impossible to read "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" any other way. |
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