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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:59:53 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The system is designed to work against people. There’s no bargaining with it or bending it to the will of the people. Until people completely disengage from the control we will suffer through its designs. This is true. Therefore we will continue to suffer. Hell the vast majority of GD enjoys and support their neighbor's boot on thier neck as their neighbor's paycheck has the address of some government agency. Then they will cover up thier own duplicity in thier situation, by saying things like I'm a law abiding citizen. Which they are not. But it makes them feel better I guess. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:01:30 AM EDT
[#2]
If you're going to have a viable third party in America, it needs to appeal to the disaffected members of BOTH parties.
Anything else is just so much mental masturbation. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:03:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't care, I'm never voting R in a presidential election again. That could happen for reasons beyond your voting choice. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:03:45 AM EDT
[#4]
you'll have more success just tearing down the democrats vs building up a party.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:03:57 AM EDT
[#5]
Yeah, so let's not do anything and stick with the status quo i.e. continue to get shafted. FFS
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:05:13 AM EDT
[#6]
I’m so sick of hearing “can’t “.
Don’t be a pussy. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:05:19 AM EDT
[#7]
As if voting matters. It probably hasn't mattered since 1956, except for that 2016 anomaly.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:06:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was no leader in the Tea Party. If Trump leads a new party, I give it a chance. Who cares about a new party affecting republicans as the Democrats will lie, cheat and steal while the Republicans do nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s not going to work because both parties will unite to kill a third party like they did with the Tea Party. There was no leader in the Tea Party. If Trump leads a new party, I give it a chance. Who cares about a new party affecting republicans as the Democrats will lie, cheat and steal while the Republicans do nothing. But it doesn't change the fact it will give everything to democrats for awhile, and after that there will be nothing left to save anyway. It just isn't workable. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:06:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Instead of a new party. Establish an endorsement group. Good idea. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:07:06 AM EDT
[#10]
Nothing will work until the "voting" system/systemic election fraud is fixed...
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:07:41 AM EDT
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Nothing will work until the "voting" system/systemic election fraud is fixed...
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:07:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Voting doesn't mean anything anymore. That is the biggest thing we took away from the 2020 election. To whom you cast your vote for president doesn't matter now. Vote green, vote libertarian, vote republican, vote democrat. It's all the same. The vote counters decide now, not the we the people. Only the GOP had the resources to cheat the way Dems do. Only the GOP has the money and contacts to print up 15 million fake ballots to counteract the 10 million the Dems print. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:08:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So in 2016 I voted Cruz in the primary and trump in the general. 2020 I voted Trump again so what am I responsible for? Fuck man.  Failed To Load Title Do you provide for yourself without the use of global commerce? Do you not listen/watch/read any media, or at least not internalize it & repeat some version of the agree:disagree propaganda? Do you only make just enough money to keep your house & stay out of jail? The only innocent people in this are those who have no choice because they’re kids, everyone else has a sliding scale of culpability that has contributed to our collective situation. I accept my part, and I’ve done everything I can currently to limit my engagement in this system because it’s fucking wrong. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:08:05 AM EDT
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The purpose of a third party isn't to win. It's to kill the Republican party - or scare it into doing its fucking job.
If you keep voting for the Republicans, they will keep acting as they always have because they have no incentive to change. Make them understand that they don't own you or your vote, and they will have to work to earn it - or you vote third party and the Republicans go home. It's the electoral equivalent of putting a gun to your Republican rep's head and telling them to either do what you want or you pull the trigger. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:08:28 AM EDT
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Trump pulled back the curtain on the slimy swamp.
If a third party EVER had a chance, it's now. They know this, and this is why they're desperately trying to impeach him, and label/demonize him and anyone who supports him. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:09:36 AM EDT
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Not gonna happen either way
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:09:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't care, I'm never voting R in a presidential election again. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:10:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is true. Therefore we will continue to suffer. Hell the vast majority of GD enjoys and support their neighbor's boot on thier neck as their neighbor's paycheck has the address of some government agency. Then they will cover up thier own duplicity in thier situation, by saying things like I'm a law abiding citizen. Which they are not. But it makes them feel better I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The system is designed to work against people. There’s no bargaining with it or bending it to the will of the people. Until people completely disengage from the control we will suffer through its designs. This is true. Therefore we will continue to suffer. Hell the vast majority of GD enjoys and support their neighbor's boot on thier neck as their neighbor's paycheck has the address of some government agency. Then they will cover up thier own duplicity in thier situation, by saying things like I'm a law abiding citizen. Which they are not. But it makes them feel better I guess. People will suffer as long as they give this system control. That’s it. It has absolutely ZERO power without people that consoom products, consoom media, internalize it, then vomit it back out everywhere they go. We are the prison guards.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:11:51 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As if voting matters. It probably hasn't mattered since 1956, except for that 2016 anomaly.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:11:55 AM EDT
[#20]
It's a poor strategy. We need to take the Republican party. Make a priority list of who needs to be primaried out. Develop a deep bench and make sure each rep knows they are easily replaced.
Anything else is a tantrum. Dont be a bitch. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:16:31 AM EDT
[#21]
I am ready for a new party .
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:18:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:19:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of personal responsibility? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/352436/6ADABD7F-1BE0-43FF-8334-3BE099A78D5B_jpe-1795695.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sound like a lot of people like to quit before the game is played. Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of personal responsibility? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/352436/6ADABD7F-1BE0-43FF-8334-3BE099A78D5B_jpe-1795695.JPG |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:19:44 AM EDT
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Show me all the ways the Republican Party has helped...
 You’re asking me to choose between the democrats and their accomplices. This is not a choice. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:24:47 AM EDT
[#25]
Don’t forget get these_assholes, the never Trumpers.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:27:20 AM EDT
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Well truth be told we really don't have to wait for a third party to destroy the gop, just don't vote for them anymore. That's a choice everyone here can make for themselves. Two four-year cycles of boycotting the gop and they are pretty much done....It's really on us to do the needful in that regard and it's a pretty easily lift because there is no fight in them.
We did right by the gop and they bent us over so why "spread 'em wide" for them again? The Babylonian whores of the gop need to be ripped out root and stem before they can deceive yet another generation of voters. Sure, it will be tough with the dems in charge for the foreseeable future but that's more likely to happen than not anyway. The gop likes being the Washington Generals. Being older I might not live to see it but nature abhors a vacuum so something else will fill the void left by a defunct gop by and by. Hell, come to that I'd not even be in all that great of a rush to establish another party till the current crop of gop ass-holes are voted out. I mean with no place to go they would be less likely to infiltrate/co-opt a alternative right-leaning party. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:28:42 AM EDT
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Most conservatives are Republican, but not all Republicans are conservative... it's quite the conundrum.
Instead of trying to revamp the Republican party for the 100th time, why not revamp the Democrat Party? Have a conservative run as a democrat and change it from the inside out. That is exactly how the democrats changed policy within our schools, institutions, banks, etc. Change happens from within, not from being forced from the outside. This is a marathon, not a sprint, particularly now. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:46:17 AM EDT
[#28]
I actually think a new party is more likely to grow out of the Democrat party than the Republican.
Unions are in a difficult position. Republicans are hostile to Unions. They support right to work and Republican appointed judges and justices are very anti Union. However, the Democrats are now clearly obsessed with globalism and owned by Wall Street and Silicon Valley, which results in the shut down of factories in the USA and with it loss of dues paying members. Now Unions are incredible fund raisers. They provide the Democrats with a steady stream of reliable revenue giving Democrats in many ways an easier time than Republicans raising money. If the Unions broke from the Democrats soon, before all US business are gone, they would have the money and local/state presence to make a successful third party. A third party that could be very successful if it ran nationalist candidates. The 21st Century dynamic is no longer Capitalist vs Socialist it’s Globalist vs Nationalist. The real struggle is whether nations continue to exist. These are troubled waters we are in. Socialist could shape the nationalist movement if we’re not careful. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:47:29 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Patriot Party takes off, all it will do us guarantee Democrat Hegemony for the next 50 years It’s not about winning elections at this point. The demons have already shown they can steal away a landslide with fraud in a handful of key cities. With all three branches and both parties in their pocket, they already have hegemony for 50 years, especially with the GOP riding shotgun. This is about unifying the movement and giving a voice to the deplorables. Giving them a voice and a name gives them legitimacy and makes them harder to marginalize. Maybe enough momentum can be built that Trump or Don Jr. has a chance in 2024. Locally and state-wide, in red states, I doubt the Patriot party becomes a viable third party. It’s more about a social and media movement I think. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:56:19 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Patriot Party takes off, all it will do us guarantee Democrat Hegemony for the next 50 years As opposed to what we've had the past 50? Even when we "have power" with the presidency or Senate e.t.c spending goes up, the border gets worse, we have fake show votes to repeal Obamacare and on and on. The GOP is broken. They are the Washington generals to the Harlem globetrotters. Every time the Democrats get the ball they try and score a touchdown. Every time we have the ball.... we sit on it... to minimize the number of touchdowns the Democrats get. Why can we never make gains? |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:59:11 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Patriot. I hate that fucking word more and more everyday. Wut? |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:16:09 AM EDT
[#32]
At this point a third party has about as much chance as the Republican Party to regain control. The republican party’s failure to support president Trump at every turn has rendered it ineffective.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:18:32 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Conservatives can’t even agree on conservative things. Why would they ever think that a new party would change that? This. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:21:18 AM EDT
[#34]
LoL “voting”
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:22:26 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It won't work because of the terrible name. Patriots don't take the guns early and worry about due process later. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:35:07 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Patriot Party takes off, all it will do us guarantee Democrat Hegemony for the next 50 years That's already guaranteed. They are going to grant amnesty to over 20 million illegals, and most will vote Democrat. They won't even need to cheat next time. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:39:42 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're going to have a viable third party in America, it needs to appeal to the disaffected members of BOTH parties. Anything else is just so much mental masturbation. It would have to make a serious play for the middle. And it would have to be more than just a presidential candidate. In fact, I wouldn't think running one for president would be a smart play for a few cycles until a third party controlled legislative chamber had time to do some work. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:52:04 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Conservatives can’t even agree on conservative things. Why would they ever think that a new party would change that? Conservatives would literally kill & eat their own allies in Politics over the slightest whiff of "Ideological impurity"... Meanwhile, the Democrats rallied around & Voted into Office a Rich White Male who was photographed wearing Black Face & KKK Robes because he COULD get elected and then enact Liberal Democratic Legislation in Virginia ... And meanwhile some of our own Political Right is screaming to Hang Mike Pence, or Fuck the SCOTUS, .... I really think 100% that Trump, now "retired" should open his Yuuuuge Wallet to Fund & Form his very own Party ... Hell, I'll even kick in & mail him a fresh $1 Dollar Bill if Trump will just Renounce the Republican Party as "full of people who didn't share his views or opinions and were "disloyal' to him". |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:10:12 AM EDT
[#39]
New thread:
5 reasons why the present GOP won't work. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:40:22 AM EDT
[#40]
the democrats are in control, they will lie ,cheat, and steal, to remain so. our votes do not count . i will vote libretarian from now on , no mater their policy. fuck the republicans, and the democrats. the sooner the republicans, see that they are finished the better. the same for the demcrats.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:45:46 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not going to work because both parties will unite to kill a third party like they did with the Tea Party. FPNI. You can't change something from the inside if those that count for something on the inside resist it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:51:45 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show me all the ways the Republican Party has helped... You’re asking me to choose between the democrats and their accomplices. This is not a choice.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:52:39 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Patriot Party takes off, all it will do us guarantee Democrat Hegemony for the next 50 years The current way of counting votes and allowing dead and illegals to vote means Republicans will not win again either. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:53:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not going to work because both parties will unite to kill a third party like they did with the Tea Party. To add to that single reason....the GOP and Dems care about themselves and power, and nothing else |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:54:16 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Instead of a new party. Establish an endorsement group. This is actually a good idea, at least in the aspect of getting the right candidates to win their primaries. It would have to be backed by a "union" of voters who solidly vote for the endorsed candidate. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:55:56 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's already guaranteed. They are going to grant amnesty to over 20 million illegals, and most will vote Democrat. They won't even need to cheat next time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the Patriot Party takes off, all it will do us guarantee Democrat Hegemony for the next 50 years That's already guaranteed. They are going to grant amnesty to over 20 million illegals, and most will vote Democrat. They won't even need to cheat next time. DC and PR senators. naturalization of 40 million illegals Dominion. that's all pretty much-guaranteed hegemony. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:57:16 AM EDT
[#47]
A Patriot Party would work just like GD does. That would destroy themselves from the inside, accusing each other of not being radical enough. It would be giant echo chamber......
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:58:26 AM EDT
[#48]
All the states need true conservative challengers to primary them out. I don’t see what a 3rd party would do other than split votes.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 9:00:52 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you have five reasons why a third party would not work, but we would be here all damn night listing reasons on why the two party system is not working. Don't even waste your time, some people are just so dense, clueless, and naive that they actually believe they can "change" the GOP. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 9:01:29 AM EDT
[#50]
Why even waste the energy?
A third party can't stop the manipulation of the dominion voting machines, the corruption of the election officials, the selective prosecution in the judicial system at the state and federal courts, the spineless Supreme court, or the Deep State in the Alphabet Agencies. |
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