I agree.  It's all about money and China seems to have the most to throw around right now.

Anyone who's elected to federal office is one of them. You and me ain't them.

Doesn't matter who votes, its who counts the votes

Because, as with the GOP, they are primarily lead by white, christian, wealthy, men over the age of 60.
They are fading in popularity....their historic voting block isn't white, isn't old, and doesn't have money.
They want leadership that looks like them.

That's cute, voting, midterms.
LOL

Look, they're passing a bill to make it so they will win every election through fraud.

We're Venezuela now. They don't plan on losing again.

Plus who are we going to elect? The same swamp creatures that thwarted Trump? The same ones agreeing we're domestic terrorists?

Nah, we're not voting our way out of this shit sandwich.

Yes, a quote from Stalin. My other favorite is "If voting really mattered, they would not let you do it".

Truth.
China Joe is a puppet, an empty suit to appease the old guard blue dog Democrats, a figurehead that won't scare the normies.

Like it or not, the AOC, Talib, and Omar are the new face of the party.
Maybe a token woke white like BETO or Buttgig will be given a position in the new USSA.

you have been here 15 years and think you posted something new?

Deep state is deep.

Controlled opposition.

Illusion of a two party system.

And yet people want law and order, safe schools, lower taxes, decent jobs etc......

If you talk to people one on one they will tell you the same yet the mob says different; the mob is fickle.

Everyone wants the same “stuff” but they all see different avenues of arriving to the same destination.

The GOP believes shifting left will garner more votes when in reality it furthers their own demise. They stand for nothing therefore they will not stand. I would venture to guess the majority of the population is in reality overall conservative with some social moderate leanings, they just don’t realize it. The current popular Marxist trend is just that, a trend; those currently in charge are taking advantage of a temporary situation to affect permanent change. When people wake up and realize what’s really going on it will be too late.

Those currently in charge are taking advantage of a temporary situation to affect permanent change.

The actual dynamic at work here is left shift.
There is NO position that someone can take that someone else can’t move to the left of. For those who ID as progressives it’s a drag race to out left their comrades. So far being labeled a progressive/socialist/communist becomes a badge of honor for these clowns. Hold any position to the right of their lunatic position and you are a Nazi, White Racist, Terrorist. It’s simple labeling.

Thank the suburbs. Urban sprawl = adoption of leftist degeneracy.

GOP just reflects its base. Demographics is destiny. People like us are fading away

That plus making everything that's a home owners responsibility a tax payer funded .gov monopolized service while thinking Muh property valuez arbitrarily going up is a good thing to reward and enable leftist degeneracy...

Muh property valuez! Why in the fuck would you reward funding your demise? That's pants on head retarded!
Why would you willing pay more and get less? They're retarded. Screams house poor to me-someone bit off more mortgage than they could chew and needs the tax man to jack their property assesment up so they can sell and walk away from the shoddy built mcmansion.
Because Muh noise ordinance is better than actually increasing the value/equity in said over priced shit hole by insulating it...

Yup, better to put a law in place that banishes the discharge of a firearm because Muh noise and Collectivist good neighborz bullshit.

LOL, believes in elections, also seems to believe there are two parties.

I recommend a quick review of what transpired during the 2020 presidential "election" before postulsting on how/why any one party does anything.

It's stunning how bad/mean words causes such rugged individuals very principled conservatives to fold like Wayne lapierres suits.

It's sad but funny at the same time.

Nobody ever once said to the side that claims intellectual and moral superiority, prove your claims to be true, should be easy for you with your facts science and intellectual superiority. I mean really, you have science that tells you there's more than 2 genders like there's a Baskin Robin's for plumbing and orifices.
Also said science supports solar and wind as the only means for power generation that's renewable... Guess you intellectuals never heard of nuclear power and breeder reactors...

I do. I love fucking with them. It's easy to watch them paint themselves into a corner and reduce themselves to screaming howling drooling retards.

But others? Oh noes. They called us a bad word. Quick! Compromise something and they'll leave us alone this time!
Don't forget to make friends across the aisle either... political careers > rights and taxes of the serfs. Besides. We can't go having our political careers besmirched with the likes of phobosisticismists and domestic terrorists...

I will respectfully disagree. For background, I'm a GOP county chairman in one of Ohio's most conservative counties. We turned out over 80% of our voters and 80% of them voted for President Trump.

These threads always focus on the Presidential race and ignore the results of the rest of the election. Look at it this way: had Trump won, this would have been the most successful GOP election at all levels in history - we held every statehouse, picked up many seats in the House and *almost* retained the Senate, despite having to defend several RINOs. Why? Because the local and state parties have moved Right, not Left. Our elected candidates, as a whole, are more conservative than they have been in my lifetime (and I'll be 56 this year).

This resurgence in the conservative movement within the GOP is what elected Donald J. Trump in 2016, and, I honestly believe, reelected him this time. We are in the process of a great realignment of the parties, and the 2016 election of President Trump was the first evidence of that realignment. The GOP is emerging as the party of the working class, mostly rural, and increasingly female and minority voter. Like any mass political movement, the transition takes time, but the pace is increasing.

I'll use Ohio an example. In 2008 and again it 2012, Ohio swung to Obama. Why? Mostly, because the GOP ran candidates who were too closely identified with the GOP establishment and not as conservative as the average Ohio voter. Turnout rates were poor, and Obama was never really in any jeopardy, because the Democrats turned out their vote. Now look at 2016 and 2020: the covservative GOP base was energized in a way it had not been since Reagan, and they all showed up to vote, or almost all of them (in about a quarter of our precincts, turnout exceeded 90%). McCain lost Ohio by over 200,000 votes in 2008; Trump carried Ohio by more than 400,000 in both of his runs.

People look at Senators like Romney or Murkowski and think they represent what the Party is; what they represent is what the Party was. Their time is coming to an end, and they will move with their voters or lose, it's as simple as that. Trump has changed the direction of the GOP going forward, into the kind of conservative, working-class party that will enjoy a broad base of support in the electorate.

So why isn't Trump in the White House now? COVID, mostly. The pandemic hit the two groups of key swing voters particularly hard: white women and the elderly. The Democrats peeled off small percentages of the total vote in each group, which cost Trump Arizona and Georgia, probably Nevada (which was closer than most people realize), and Wisconsin. Massive cheating enabled by Democrat Secretaries of State in Michigan and Pennsylvania cost him those two states, and contesting widespread cheating of that nature under our Constitutional system is virtually impossible (and the President's lawyers did him no favors in their pursuit of his claims). Absent a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic weaponized by the Chinese, Trump would have been easily reelected.

In sum: the tide is rising.

Your multiracial whiteness post sickitates the left.

That's the other one. They discredit merits of argument with everything is phobosisticismist now domestic terrorism.
And like fools they cave never fighting back!

Wrong!

Are you counting the fraudulent votes as more increasingly liberal voter?

A sub set of democrat voters are becoming more liberal/socialist but these are the radicals who support AOC and her squad.  The average voter is the same as they’ve been.

Trump did not get the most legitimate votes ever (including minorities) of any candidate  because more voters are more liberal.  He got them because voters know they’re being lied to by most politicians.

If the GOP wants to win they need to fight like Dems when out of power and aggressively push stuff through when they’re in power like they promised voters.

That won’t happen so the GOP either needs to be remade or replaced.

Pendulum ? Lol. Dems are locking this shit down forever.

We don’t agree on Afghanistan but fuck you’d still get my vote over 87% of the GOP {more like 99%}. In the grand picture I’ll take that over quibbling over overseas shit or my dislike for drugs {same as your religion view do all the drugs you want but don’t run me over because you didn’t take Uber instead or rob me to pay for your crack}

Yeah Dems don’t dig the pendulum

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That's all passe middle-class shit. The middle-class is done. It's the only way to equality.

They could compete but why, they are living the good life. The problem for the people of the US is how do we make them as uncomfortable as us and living life in the same way as us, so as to have the understanding of our problems and fears? If that can be done it will cure most of this nations problems. And yes people would vote for them.

What did I say about Afghanistan that we disagree upon? I think that twenty years, thousands of American lives, and gazillions of dollars has disappeared into the Hindu Kush, and that we should leave.

The GOP in no way reflects the constituency. They pander to the same oligarchial rich folks the Left does. McConnell had to backpedal from his impeachment stance because of the blowback. Turtle said 'fuck you'. A significant part of the constituency said 'fuck you' back. The asshole pretty much guaranteed the party's death.

Tyranny. It's here. Disguised as 'democracy'.

Its always about money. Always has been. Lobbying for funds for seats is one fucking giant red flag. Follow the money. The leftist have most of the money and then people who should be conservative also give money to the fucking commies . Not a single one of those assfuckers is going to ever suggest they get rid of the system that feeds them. They will keep screaming about who the president is all the while taking millions of dollars from lobbyist to get on special seated committee. Why the ever loving fuck this was allowed to happen has me totally fucking confused. And not many people know about it. Its the reason  the people we elect dont do what they are supposed to do . Because a shitty goddamned company with a lot of money comes along (probably funded by the feds) and feeds that money right back to the people that give them the money . All to do retarded things with it.None of them have a fucking spine . Maybe Massie. This has been fucked up long before we got here . I cant see a single way for the special interest groups from throwing millions on whatever they want .

There are 2 GOPs.
The Country Club/GOPe of Fuck both George Bushes, Mittens, Bob Dole (basically he Democrat Party Lite).
The people's GOP of Ronald Regan, DJT, Ted Cruz and Matt Gaetz.

Sadly Pournelle's  Iron Law says the Country Club/GOPe will take more and more control of the GOP.

even if you fixed voting it does not matter who wins when it comes to house and senate members ALL taking money on positions for the party. The people with money decide what happens here in the US . Not the government . Once they allow a company to get powerful enough the company or people can blackmail the senators, congress, fbi into making things go a certain way. They probably threaten jail time or breaking up a company until SURPRISE those ugly hooker videos, kid pron , drug allegations get slipped to the media

It has nothing to do with voters and everything to do with the corporate and NGO money that controls the RNC.

They say what they need to say to get reelected, and keep their jobs.

After that, they do what they're paid to do.

The disconnect occurs because their constituents believe their congressional salaries are their pay, and representing constituents is their job.

Meanwhile, the people who are paying them to do work are getting their money's worth.

At work we have been discussin how long the rich have actually controlled America. We came to the conclusion the US Revolution was a bunch of influential guys deciding they didnt want to give their riches to the crown anymore and wanted their own kingdom. The entire US government system is very close to the system in england still. The difference here is bloodline has been removed as the means for wealth. And that the true american dream. Wealthy can live like kings here. The good part is average joes like us still live better than the rest of the world. All that other patriotic bullshit we were fed in school about voting and government is smoke an mirrors and always has been. Some guys got it figured out early and said fuck it and went back to the farm.

Money.


It's the only answer.

This is the real problem.  Congress has figured out how to make money and stay in power, but that doesn’t include doing the job they were elected to do.

Another throw up your hands and go home thread.

The party drifts left because voters allow it. You excuse liberal-lite policies because “it’s better than the alternative.” Keep voting in the same people year after year, then whining about lesser of two evils.

Well, when we keep importing left wing leaning people, from failed welfare states, looking for more welfare, that's kind of the country you get.

As much as it sucks...I'm going to now vote to try to keep a divided government as much as that vote may look feasible.

If the R is gonna win the executive, I want a D run legislature, and vice versa.

Both parties don't want the other party to get anything done and get credit for a win.  So keep them divided and they get nothing done.  Nothing is better than either sides' agenda.

I've lost more rights with the Rs in power.  With the exception of Mr Trump, I've made more money and had a more stable job environment with a dem president and repub Congress.  

Along with a two other things.

GOP idiots believe that Twitter, Facefuck and the MSM is reality and their voters voices can only be heard there.  Fact is, most of Americans are not on these and could likely give a damn.

Voting rights given away to anything that can fog a mirror are the root cause, a problem caused by assholes no longer with us.

It won't be fixed anytime soon. Enjoy the ride.

A good place to start might be in our churches that have also slid left and are partly responsible imo.