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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:33:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh man, that would suck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why not a can of expanding foam Oh man, that would suck. MOre than having a tampon shoved into the hole? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of you guys need to take a "Stop the Bleed" class. JFC Why would anyone lose 2 hours of their life to that class when they could lose 2 hours a day here wasting their lives on GD? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of you guys need to take a "Stop the Bleed" class. JFC 
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:34:33 PM EDT
[#4]
 I'm Gonna Git You Sucka (1988) - Jack's Booboo Scene (12/12) | Movieclips |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:36:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, aren't you supposed to heat up your knife with the road flare and then use the knife? I'm pretty sure they always use a knife in the movies, not so much the road flare by itself..... just saying I think a horseshoe should be in the kit. Turn it up for luck, heat it up for first aid. Use it cold to clobber an uncooperative patient. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:38:30 PM EDT
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Sealing wounds with a road flare is next level shit.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:40:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Username and avatar is appropriate. 
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:43:00 PM EDT
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That's what packing gauze is for.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching to many movies Hollywood strikes again. 
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:46:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Road flares are for hemorrhoid's. Bad hemorrhoids require a 30 minute flare. Or a shotgun shell. 
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:49:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hammermill thread Not even Hammermill was that !
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:51:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I carry a mig welder in a back pack for gaping wounds Stitch welds? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:53:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FPNI And the second one. Good God OP. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:12:58 PM EDT
[#14]
OP...I think I hear your Mommy calling you.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:13:23 PM EDT
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Lol paging NorCal Leo
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:19:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not a can of expanding foam or gun powder from a bullet like I saw in a movie once |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:19:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To cauterize it? Cauterizing bleeds is typically something done on a delicate level in an operating room via a cautery. Sticking a lit flare into a wound is an extremely bad idea. You're going to cause MASSIVE tissue damage from burns and it's unlikely it'll do much to stop bleeds. (+ the obvious risk of simply setting the patient on fire) I'm not 100% sure about infection/toxicity risk but I do think a lit flare emits various toxic substances that you're jamming into the wound, + the burned area will be susceptible to infection, so even if you do stop the bleeding somehow recovery is going to be a bitch. Now in terms of treating an artery bleed where a tourniquet can't reach we have a few options already. Hemostatic powder such as quikclot, hemostatic gauze, etc. https://www.medgadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xstat.jpg Revmed or whatever is working on a big syringe that squeezes out a bunch of gauze sponges impregnated with hemostatic powder that rapidly expand in the wound channel to stop bleeding. I've never had to use hemostatic substances so I don't know how well they actually work but I have heard they supposedly are effective even in cases of arterial bleeding. EDIT: I did some googling. Emergency cauterization actually can be done, but it usually requires a metal instrument heated until it's extremely hot to sterilize it. It's very painful and is the last resort if medical care isn't available, you've tried elevation and compression (Even some arterial bleeds can be stopped via pressure. Not all of them, but some of them.) already, and the patient has already lost a significant amount of blood to the point their vital signs are deteriorating. There will be significant tissue damage and a high risk of infection due to the burns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why hasn't flares or other devices been invented to seal gun shot wounds or stab wounds where a tourniquet can't reach ? Sticking a flare in a gushing blood flow knife stab wound sounds like it would work to seal the artery no? Cauterizing bleeds is typically something done on a delicate level in an operating room via a cautery. Sticking a lit flare into a wound is an extremely bad idea. You're going to cause MASSIVE tissue damage from burns and it's unlikely it'll do much to stop bleeds. (+ the obvious risk of simply setting the patient on fire) I'm not 100% sure about infection/toxicity risk but I do think a lit flare emits various toxic substances that you're jamming into the wound, + the burned area will be susceptible to infection, so even if you do stop the bleeding somehow recovery is going to be a bitch. Now in terms of treating an artery bleed where a tourniquet can't reach we have a few options already. Hemostatic powder such as quikclot, hemostatic gauze, etc. https://www.medgadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xstat.jpg Revmed or whatever is working on a big syringe that squeezes out a bunch of gauze sponges impregnated with hemostatic powder that rapidly expand in the wound channel to stop bleeding. I've never had to use hemostatic substances so I don't know how well they actually work but I have heard they supposedly are effective even in cases of arterial bleeding. EDIT: I did some googling. Emergency cauterization actually can be done, but it usually requires a metal instrument heated until it's extremely hot to sterilize it. It's very painful and is the last resort if medical care isn't available, you've tried elevation and compression (Even some arterial bleeds can be stopped via pressure. Not all of them, but some of them.) already, and the patient has already lost a significant amount of blood to the point their vital signs are deteriorating. There will be significant tissue damage and a high risk of infection due to the burns. Funny story about that syringe. My hospital is one of the hospitals that the military uses for training the battlefield medics/surgeons. They figure Detroit is just as bad as Iraq (it really is) Well somehow one of those ended up used on a stab wound.don’t remember if it was tried prehospital or if someone had one to try in the ER. Wanna say it was near the liver (RUQ of the abdomen) Trauma surgeon came back down a few hours later “What the ever loving fuck was that!?!?!!?” “This new whizbang blood clotting device” “I was finding those little things for a solid hour. Next time just pack it with regular gauze, fuck that.” |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:45:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Road flares are for hemorrhoid's. Bad hemorrhoids require a 30 minute flare. They have other uses, if you’re brave enough |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:46:59 PM EDT
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As a EMT, I highly recommend against this practice.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:53:00 PM EDT
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I used a cigar once instead of going to get stitches so I could keep partying
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:54:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why hasn't flares or other devices been invented to seal gun shot wounds or stab wounds where a tourniquet can't reach ? Sticking a flare in a gushing blood flow knife stab wound sounds like it would work to seal the artery no? Ok Rambo.... |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:57:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To cauterize it? Cauterizing bleeds is typically something done on a delicate level in an operating room via a cautery. Sticking a lit flare into a wound is an extremely bad idea. You're going to cause MASSIVE tissue damage from burns and it's unlikely it'll do much to stop bleeds. (+ the obvious risk of simply setting the patient on fire) I'm not 100% sure about infection/toxicity risk but I do think a lit flare emits various toxic substances that you're jamming into the wound, + the burned area will be susceptible to infection, so even if you do stop the bleeding somehow recovery is going to be a bitch. Now in terms of treating an artery bleed where a tourniquet can't reach we have a few options already. Hemostatic powder such as quikclot, hemostatic gauze, etc. https://www.medgadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xstat.jpg Revmed or whatever is working on a big syringe that squeezes out a bunch of gauze sponges impregnated with hemostatic powder that rapidly expand in the wound channel to stop bleeding. I've never had to use hemostatic substances so I don't know how well they actually work but I have heard they supposedly are effective even in cases of arterial bleeding. EDIT: I did some googling. Emergency cauterization actually can be done, but it usually requires a metal instrument heated until it's extremely hot to sterilize it. It's very painful and is the last resort if medical care isn't available, you've tried elevation and compression (Even some arterial bleeds can be stopped via pressure. Not all of them, but some of them.) already, and the patient has already lost a significant amount of blood to the point their vital signs are deteriorating. There will be significant tissue damage and a high risk of infection due to the burns. I remember late 2000s that was being tested, where can you buy it? No idea why everyone is making fun of me.. I'm talking about last ditch, middle of desert no hospitals bleeding out type situation. No quick clot, just a fire or flare from a vehicle road kit. Would it work? Sure lots of damage but would it seal the wound and get someone to the hospital still alive rather than spilling all blood out in 60 seconds. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 11:04:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:26:58 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No idea why everyone is making fun of me.. Because that’s the stupidest fucking medical idea that anyone’s ever posted here. There’s no trauma scenario that is going to be improved by intentionally adding a 3rd degree burn. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:30:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember late 2000s that was being tested, where can you buy it? No idea why everyone is making fun of me.. I'm talking about last ditch, middle of desert no hospitals bleeding out type situation. No quick clot, just a fire or flare from a vehicle road kit. Would it work? You could put some gauze dressings in your vehicle road kit. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:31:12 AM EDT
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LoL.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:39:42 AM EDT
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This is even dumber than my tampon thread.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:40:35 AM EDT
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Not sure if retarded or failed humor?
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:43:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:47:30 AM EDT
[#31]
Anybody know how old this kid is?
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:54:37 AM EDT
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Stay the away from me. I would rather exsanguinate from failed tourniquets than die of septic shock caused by some asshat attempting to cauterize an artery with a flare.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:54:57 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody know how old this kid is? 36 |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:56:27 AM EDT
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No shit? How sad.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 11:01:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember late 2000s that was being tested, where can you buy it? No idea why everyone is making fun of me.. I'm talking about last ditch, middle of desert no hospitals bleeding out type situation. No quick clot, just a fire or flare from a vehicle road kit. Would it work? Sure lots of damage but would it seal the wound and get someone to the hospital still alive rather than spilling all blood out in 60 seconds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To cauterize it? Cauterizing bleeds is typically something done on a delicate level in an operating room via a cautery. Sticking a lit flare into a wound is an extremely bad idea. You're going to cause MASSIVE tissue damage from burns and it's unlikely it'll do much to stop bleeds. (+ the obvious risk of simply setting the patient on fire) I'm not 100% sure about infection/toxicity risk but I do think a lit flare emits various toxic substances that you're jamming into the wound, + the burned area will be susceptible to infection, so even if you do stop the bleeding somehow recovery is going to be a bitch. Now in terms of treating an artery bleed where a tourniquet can't reach we have a few options already. Hemostatic powder such as quikclot, hemostatic gauze, etc. https://www.medgadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xstat.jpg Revmed or whatever is working on a big syringe that squeezes out a bunch of gauze sponges impregnated with hemostatic powder that rapidly expand in the wound channel to stop bleeding. I've never had to use hemostatic substances so I don't know how well they actually work but I have heard they supposedly are effective even in cases of arterial bleeding. EDIT: I did some googling. Emergency cauterization actually can be done, but it usually requires a metal instrument heated until it's extremely hot to sterilize it. It's very painful and is the last resort if medical care isn't available, you've tried elevation and compression (Even some arterial bleeds can be stopped via pressure. Not all of them, but some of them.) already, and the patient has already lost a significant amount of blood to the point their vital signs are deteriorating. There will be significant tissue damage and a high risk of infection due to the burns. I remember late 2000s that was being tested, where can you buy it? No idea why everyone is making fun of me.. I'm talking about last ditch, middle of desert no hospitals bleeding out type situation. No quick clot, just a fire or flare from a vehicle road kit. Would it work? Sure lots of damage but would it seal the wound and get someone to the hospital still alive rather than spilling all blood out in 60 seconds.  Attached File |
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