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Posted: 1/22/2021 12:39:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2021 12:42:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not that us 13ers are improving, it is just the 20ers are so fucking bad.  |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 12:52:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's charged by the STATE, not the feds. Trump could only pardon for federal crimes. Fixed that for you 
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:01:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Title covers it well. Or am I missing something? Why are people on our side so incredibly stupid? “Dur hur I is NOTZ VoTing no mores..” “Ammendment.” “Probably cause.” Chemtrails, aliens, Q. Why do so many know so little about our system of government? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:04:06 PM EDT
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No federal charges. State legal action.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are people on our side so incredibly stupid? “Dur hur I is NOTZ VoTing no mores..” “Ammendment.” “Probably cause.” Chemtrails, aliens, Q. Why do so many know so little about our system of government? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Title covers it well. Or am I missing something? Why are people on our side so incredibly stupid? “Dur hur I is NOTZ VoTing no mores..” “Ammendment.” “Probably cause.” Chemtrails, aliens, Q. Why do so many know so little about our system of government?  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:12:17 PM EDT
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Governor would have to it’s a state thing
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:18:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:23:08 PM EDT
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Apparently pardoning corrupt Dem politicians and rappers promoting violence against Trump fans was higher on his to do list.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:27:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's difficult to pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime in a court of law. No it isn’t. Ford pardoned Nixon from Any crime connected with watergate even before he was charged. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell us how a president can pardon someone on STATE charges This... pretty sure op is too young to have seen the school house rock episode on this... |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:33:04 PM EDT
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It boggles my mind how--on a forum dedicated to a constitutionally-protected right, mind you--people can have so little understanding of the Constitution and the workings of the government.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:34:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's charged by the STATE, not the feds. Trump can only pardon for federal crimes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Title covers it well. Or am I missing something? He's charged by the STATE, not the feds. Trump can only pardon for federal crimes. When he gets aquitted of the state charges, it's pretty certain that Xiden department of social justice will hit him with some concoction of civil rights charges. A preemptive pardon would have been appropriate and appreciated. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:34:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are people on our side so incredibly stupid? “Dur hur I is NOTZ VoTing no mores..” “Ammendment.” “Probably cause.” Chemtrails, aliens, Q. Why do so many know so little about our system of government? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Title covers it well. Or am I missing something? Why are people on our side so incredibly stupid? “Dur hur I is NOTZ VoTing no mores..” “Ammendment.” “Probably cause.” Chemtrails, aliens, Q. Why do so many know so little about our system of government?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:40:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's difficult to pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime in a court of law. Wrong |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:41:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's difficult to pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime in a court of law. Nope, since 1866 it takes the same about of effort as post-conviction. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:42:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That isn't true. Look at the Nixon pardon. Or Carter pardoning hundreds of thousands of draft dodgers by the crime itself, not by individual names. Also I believe post Civil War all of those who fought against the Union were pardoned. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:46:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it isn’t. Ford pardoned Nixon from Any crime connected with watergate even before he was charged. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's difficult to pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime in a court of law. No it isn’t. Ford pardoned Nixon from Any crime connected with watergate even before he was charged. Lincoln and Johnson also issued preemptive pardons. However, pardons cannot be issued for acts that have yet to be commited. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:52:08 PM EDT
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God damn, the stupidity of this post is unreal
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:10:40 PM EDT
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It's adorable that y'all still think that Trump was your friend.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:12:26 PM EDT
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OP:
You DO know the difference between STATE and FEDERAL charges, Right?
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope can pardon without a conviction or even charge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rough crowd this morning, don't sweat it. Aside from the state vs federal, getting a pardon also has to be done after conviction I believe. You can't pardon someone for a crime they haven't been convicted of. Nope can pardon without a conviction or even charge. Cool, did not know that. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:15:00 PM EDT
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Jesus Christ guys, ya'll act like you were born knowing everything.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:15:59 PM EDT
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Lol corrupt politicians of color that stole from their constituents were more deserving than a white racist terrorist.
Also I’m not on the up and up about exactly what crimes can be pardoned depending on jurisdictional issues. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:25:29 PM EDT
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He hasn't been convicted of anything yet, has he?
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:51:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's not that us 13ers are improving, it is just the 20ers are so fucking bad. iI a '13'r doesn't grab that as a sigline it'll be a travesty,
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:53:18 PM EDT
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Even if he could, he wouldn’t. Look at the scum who did get pardons and you will understand why.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:53:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rough crowd this morning, don't sweat it. Aside from the state vs federal, getting a pardon also has to be done after conviction I believe. You can't pardon someone for a crime they haven't been convicted of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's difficult to pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime in a court of law. That isn't true. Look at the Nixon pardon. This is why I created the thread. Rough crowd this morning, don't sweat it. Aside from the state vs federal, getting a pardon also has to be done after conviction I believe. You can't pardon someone for a crime they haven't been convicted of. Don't think so. Ford pardoned Nixon. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:53:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rough crowd this morning, don't sweat it. Aside from the state vs federal, getting a pardon also has to be done after conviction I believe. You can't pardon someone for a crime they haven't been convicted of. Yes you can. Ford pardoned Nixon for crime he was never even actually charged with. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:54:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can be pardoned before a trial? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did he commit a federal "crime?". [color=#000000]Also hasn't been found guilty of anything I don't think, which probably matters.[/color] ETA: 8 replies in the amount of time it took me to type 2 sentences. Impressive! Incorrect. You can be pardoned before a trial? Yes. Nixon was. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:55:27 PM EDT
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Hey, whatever happened to Dolly's pardon?
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:58:40 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ guys, ya'll act like you were born knowing everything. It's because we were. On a day in 1951 I came into this world knowing everything. Ha ha! The rest of you post '13 dumb bastards had to go to school to learn anything. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 3:00:44 PM EDT
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They think they can impeach a president who is no longer a president so technically anything is possible. The rule of law is what whomever is in power says it is.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 3:02:42 PM EDT
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Even if he could it is an admission of guilt and Kyle did nothing wrong.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 3:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PLEASE GO LEARN. The president cannot pardon a state crime. Trump could have pardoned federal crimes by Kyle. How do people not know this? The degenerate communist takeover of the education system has been extremely effective. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 3:16:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if he could it is an admission of guilt and Kyle did nothing wrong. How would it be an admission of guilt to accept a pardon that wasn't requested? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 3:19:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20ers FPNI |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 5:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's adorable that y'all still think that Trump was your friend. Ha Ha |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 5:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would it be an admission of guilt to accept a pardon that wasn't requested? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even if he could it is an admission of guilt and Kyle did nothing wrong. How would it be an admission of guilt to accept a pardon that wasn't requested? United States v. Burdick, 211 F. 492 |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 5:19:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It boggles my mind how--on a forum dedicated to a constitutionally-protected right, mind you--people can have so little understanding of the Constitution and the workings of the government. This. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 5:24:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: United States v. Burdick, 211 F. 492 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Even if he could it is an admission of guilt and Kyle did nothing wrong. How would it be an admission of guilt to accept a pardon that wasn't requested? United States v. Burdick, 211 F. 492 I googled it, from the Wiki (I know they're not the best source in the world) It is widely believed that this case decided that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt, acceptance a confession of it". However, whether the acceptance of a pardon constitutes an admission of guilt by the recipient is not clear and the quote mentioned was part of the Court's dictum for this case. [2] Regardless, if I was in Kyle's position, I'd take a pardon even if it meant an admission of guilt....the people who think he's guilty or innocent wouldn't change as a result of it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:17:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's difficult to pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime in a court of law. This |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:21:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope can pardon without a conviction or even charge. So what exactly would a person be pardoned for? Future crimes? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:27:33 PM EDT
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Neither he, nor any other RICH politician gives a shit about any of us other than a labor machine to pay into their treasure chests
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:29:33 PM EDT
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Did you watch the inauguration today OP?
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:35:37 PM EDT
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Quote Historyriginally Posted By Lug1: PLEASE GO LEARN. The president cannot pardon a state crime. Trump could have pardoned federal crimes by Kyle. How do people not know this? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:46:56 PM EDT
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As others said pardons are for federal charges, dumb ass.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:05:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's difficult to pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime in a court of law. This Didn’t read the posts recalling Ford pardoned Nixon without a conviction, did you? Not to mention the fact Kyle has no federal charges. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:08:23 PM EDT
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LOL. OP missed out on an education.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You seem upset, and also provided no links to help someone learn.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PLEASE GO LEARN. The president cannot pardon a state crime. Trump could have pardoned federal crimes by Kyle. How do people not know this? You seem upset, and also provided no links to help someone learn. You are entitled to assistance. You bear no responsibility for your own education. People should be more helpful. In some places, they don't even HAVE google. We need to think of these people. 
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