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Quoted: EVs are stupid. Let me know when I can tow 10k pounds 400mi, then 'fill up' on battery juice in 5 minutes on any street corner....rinse and repeat for 200k miles on original equipment. View Quote In all fairness, it was several decades after the introduction of combustion engine personal vehicle before you could “tow 10k pounds 400mi, then 'fill up' in 5 minutes on any street corner” It was almost a century before you could reliably do it in a regular commuter vehicle “for 200k miles on original equipment”. Your expectations of emerging technology are unrealistic at this time. |
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Quoted: In all fairness, it was several decades after the introduction of combustion engine personal vehicle before you could “tow 10k pounds 400mi, then 'fill up' in 5 minutes on any street corner” It was almost a century before you could reliably do it in a regular commuter vehicle “for 200k miles on original equipment”. Your expectations of emerging technology are unrealistic at this time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: EVs are stupid. Let me know when I can tow 10k pounds 400mi, then 'fill up' on battery juice in 5 minutes on any street corner....rinse and repeat for 200k miles on original equipment. In all fairness, it was several decades after the introduction of combustion engine personal vehicle before you could “tow 10k pounds 400mi, then 'fill up' in 5 minutes on any street corner” It was almost a century before you could reliably do it in a regular commuter vehicle “for 200k miles on original equipment”. Your expectations of emerging technology are unrealistic at this time. But that's just it...why, in this day and age, should we take two steps back just for the sake of having something 'new'? Let the manufacturers sort the shit out before bringing them to market, and having us pay the equivalent, or more than a superior product (internal combustion engines), just to be their guinea pigs. |
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Quoted: I love how journalists can throw out misleading stats and uneducated idiots like OP eat it up. A Model S has a 85 kWh battery. Even if the battery could be charged in 5 mins, it would mean your charger would have to be able to put out 1 million watts Nevermind the thermal management. Please educate yourself. View Quote |
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Quoted: The free market will determine when electric cars are ready for common use. If EV's get cheap enough & you can drive them long enough, then recharge them quick enough, the public will want to buy them, but right now they have a long way to go (and we don't have the electric generation & distribution infrastructure to support them). Government intervention by artificially causing the price of fossil fuels to rise & at the same time artificially lowering the price of electric vehicles will lead to nothing but a huge failure! View Quote I am not the market for EV's so really don't know. I make once a week at times trips of 400 miles for work. Live in the sticks 75% of the year then 25% of the time make a 400 mile trip a couple of times a month. Also my Z71 is used mostly offroad, 11 years old and has 65k miles on it with 95% of it being offroad and in the mud. |
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Quoted: Lithium? Isn't mining that doing huge environmental damages? View Quote The areas/countries that are being affected are not in the US so most people dont care. Everyone's all for stopping coal plants in the US and using EV vehicles in the US, but they dont really give a shit about what it takes to get and process lithium. https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/amp/ I'm not a scientist, and maybe coal plants and gas cars is much worse than lithium production and lithium filling up landfills. I guess I'm just saying that nothing is without a cost. We may just be trading one devil for another. No free rides. Something else to think about, a full court press on solar and wind is also going to cause an exponential increase in a need for viable energy storage, because solar and wind isnt 100% on demand without having a way to store excess. That may mean a shitload of demand for batteries and their components. Not an expert, just guessing. Edit: there is ways to store energy without huge arrays of batteries, or course, but batteries are probably the "easiest". Maybe someone in this industry can educate us better. |
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Exactly how I design my steel structures. It will work and stay upright, until it doesn't.
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Quoted: StoreDot's fast-charging component can be fully charged in five minutes, and then it partially charges the lithium-ion battery at a conventional rate. Fully-charging the lithium-ion battery requires multiple charging cycles of the fast-charging component. StoreDot batteries deliver about a third of the energy density compared to competing lithium batteries and are estimated to cost twice that of competing lithium batteries. Smells like a pump and dump Current battery technology has terrible energy density already.... View Quote Yep. They will never get a plane in the air with a bunch of 18650 cells in a box. |
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Quoted: But that's just it...why, in this day and age, should we take two steps back just for the sake of having something 'new'? Let the manufacturers sort the shit out before bringing them to market, and having us pay the equivalent, or more than a superior product (internal combustion engines), just to be their guinea pigs. View Quote That's how product creation works. Some people will be excited by the technology and will be early adopters, which pays for more research and development, which in turn creates a better product. Then more people will buy it because it's better, which again leads to more R&D. Manufacturers can't just sort it out so that it's the best thing since sliced bread and shaved vaginas and then offer it to you at the same price as everything else, it just doesn't work that way from an business economics point of view. |
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Quoted: Just don't put BREAKING in your title............. TECHNOLOGY Mercedes owner Daimler drives electric truck push with multi-million dollar investment in StoreDot Mercedes-Benz owner Daimler has invested millions in an Israeli start-up whose battery technology can charge electric vehicles in a matter of minutes. Tel-Aviv-based StoreDot announced Thursday ... Ryan Browne 9/14/2017 5:30:00 AM Link View Quote Nice to see the Germans and Jews working together again, but if the StoreDot folks are given yellow I.D. badges, they might want to rethink the "partnership." |
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is this like every other battery tech breakthrough annoucement
we were supposed to have flying cars by now are we going to waiting on phones that can go a full 2 days of use in 2040, just around the corner we promise! |
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Quoted: Why cant we just make a stupid diesel-electric car; simple and very efficient. Run a small diesel or natural gas engine to re-charge a battery. Boom. done. View Quote It's inefficient to do that. Trains work fine because they get up to speed and go for hundreds of miles without stopping. I had a Volt for 4 years, so I'm pretty familiar with how it would work. You'd have to burn a gallon of gas to charge the battery enough to get ~40 miles of range. Compared to <$1 worth of electricity from the wall. Burning fuel to charge a battery would cost about twice as much, so you wouldn't want to do it if you could avoid it. The Volt's engine was not there to charge the battery, it was there to make the car move once the battery was at the low end of charge. The only convenience would be access to readily available fuel/energy that is portable. On that note, I'd like to see something like an electric pickup truck that has an optional turbine power pack you can slap in the bed if you want to keep going on conventional fuels. Eventually that won't really be needed. |
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Quoted: But that's just it...why, in this day and age, should we take two steps back just for the sake of having something 'new'? Let the manufacturers sort the shit out before bringing them to market, and having us pay the equivalent, or more than a superior product (internal combustion engines), just to be their guinea pigs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: EVs are stupid. Let me know when I can tow 10k pounds 400mi, then 'fill up' on battery juice in 5 minutes on any street corner....rinse and repeat for 200k miles on original equipment. In all fairness, it was several decades after the introduction of combustion engine personal vehicle before you could “tow 10k pounds 400mi, then 'fill up' in 5 minutes on any street corner” It was almost a century before you could reliably do it in a regular commuter vehicle “for 200k miles on original equipment”. Your expectations of emerging technology are unrealistic at this time. But that's just it...why, in this day and age, should we take two steps back just for the sake of having something 'new'? Let the manufacturers sort the shit out before bringing them to market, and having us pay the equivalent, or more than a superior product (internal combustion engines), just to be their guinea pigs. Tesla's been making 'viable' electric cars for the mass market for 9 years now. You're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, and assuming that the perfect has to get to perfection instantly. As magger says, even the things you want an EV to do are things ICE vehicles couldn't do for decades after their mass market adoption. We on the right are pretty bad at this. We constantly let the perfect be the enemy of the good. |
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Quoted: The areas/countries that are being affected are not in the US so most people dont care. Everyone's all for stopping coal plants in the US and using EV vehicles in the US, but they dont really give a shit about what it takes to get and process lithium. https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/amp/ I'm not a scientist, and maybe coal plants and gas cars is much worse than lithium production and lithium filling up landfills. I guess I'm just saying that nothing is without a cost. We may just be trading one devil for another. No free rides. Something else to think about, a full court press on solar and wind is also going to cause an exponential increase in a need for viable energy storage, because solar and wind isnt 100% on demand without having a way to store excess. That may mean a shitload of demand for batteries and their components. Not an expert, just guessing. Edit: there is ways to store energy without huge arrays of batteries, or course, but batteries are probably the "easiest". Maybe someone in this industry can educate us better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Lithium? Isn't mining that doing huge environmental damages? The areas/countries that are being affected are not in the US so most people dont care. Everyone's all for stopping coal plants in the US and using EV vehicles in the US, but they dont really give a shit about what it takes to get and process lithium. https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/amp/ I'm not a scientist, and maybe coal plants and gas cars is much worse than lithium production and lithium filling up landfills. I guess I'm just saying that nothing is without a cost. We may just be trading one devil for another. No free rides. Something else to think about, a full court press on solar and wind is also going to cause an exponential increase in a need for viable energy storage, because solar and wind isnt 100% on demand without having a way to store excess. That may mean a shitload of demand for batteries and their components. Not an expert, just guessing. Edit: there is ways to store energy without huge arrays of batteries, or course, but batteries are probably the "easiest". Maybe someone in this industry can educate us better. Sometimes simple is better, instead of batteries for storage you use water and gravity. In use already, pump water up while you have excess energy and run it back down thru turbines to generate electricity as needed. Yes you get losses every time you convert energy but you will always get that no matter what you do and lithium won't be ,around for a fraction of the time even coal, as nasty as they claim it is, will be. |
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Quoted: Tesla's been making 'viable' electric cars for the mass market for 9 years now. You're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, and assuming that the perfect has to get to perfection instantly. As magger says, even the things you want an EV to do are things ICE vehicles couldn't do for decades after their mass market adoption. We on the right are pretty bad at this. We constantly let the perfect be the enemy of the good. View Quote The problem is a very simple one, energy. Sure they can tweak this or redesign that to make it more efficient. That's not the problem. But how do you store enough energy in the vehicle to do that towing and/or longer range? That's the problem. Batteries are still the problem. And it's not like there aren't some really smart people out there that don't understand chemistry. Something new will still have to be discovered and some serious issues overcome before they are truly viable for the masses. |
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"Nano".
Article is classic "pump & dump" hype. These pop up every few months, bunch a guys fantasizing that someone like FCA or (dare I say it ) Elon will swoop up their little company and make errybody a bazillionIaire. |
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Quoted: Not really fair to say as weren't not essentially starting from nothing at this point like back in the day with gas vehicles. The problem is a very simple one, energy. Sure they can tweak this or redesign that to make it more efficient. That's not the problem. But how do you store enough energy in the vehicle to do that towing and/or longer range? That's the problem. Batteries are still the problem. And it's not like there aren't some really smart people out there that don't understand chemistry. Something new will still have to be discovered and some serious issues overcome before they are truly viable for the masses. View Quote I'd wager more than 90% of people have zero need to ever tow anything. Why does this need to be a requirement 'of the masses'? Not everyone needs a diesel Ford F-250 for daily use. People that do need such vehicles will still have them. EVs will be incremental... but the way a lot of people here talk about 'em, they're an absolutely completely horrible infeasible idea until they can cross a certain mark... but how do they get to that mark if they don't start somewhere and eventually get there. It's not going to be a flip of a switch, where on a single day, every single gas or diesel vehicle will be traded on an EV. It'll go like it's already been going - light duty, commuter vehicles, some high-end models to cover the high costs, then cost will come down as capability goes up. There are now about 3 or 4 electric pickup models about to come out that are pretty capable, aside from limited range and quick refueling, but given most pickups to Americans are just daily driven status symbols, they should do pretty well. Eventually they'll have the range and recharge capability and infrastructure to cover it. You're perfectly welcome, as long as the dems/lefties don't force you, to not buy one until they meet your needs... but do realize your needs may not be anything like the majority of other people's needs. |
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Quoted: I'd wager more than 90% of people have zero need to ever tow anything. Why does this need to be a requirement 'of the masses'? Not everyone needs a diesel Ford F-250 for daily use. People that do need such vehicles will still have them. EVs will be incremental... but the way a lot of people here talk about 'em, they're an absolutely completely horrible infeasible idea until they can cross a certain mark... but how do they get to that mark if they don't start somewhere and eventually get there. It's not going to be a flip of a switch, where on a single day, every single gas or diesel vehicle will be traded on an EV. It'll go like it's already been going - light duty, commuter vehicles, some high-end models to cover the high costs, then cost will come down as capability goes up. There are now about 3 or 4 electric pickup models about to come out that are pretty capable, aside from limited range and quick refueling, but given most pickups to Americans are just daily driven status symbols, they should do pretty well. Eventually they'll have the range and recharge capability and infrastructure to cover it. You're perfectly welcome, as long as the dems/lefties don't force you, to not buy one until they meet your needs... but do realize your needs may not be anything like the majority of other people's needs. View Quote You say eventually they'll have the range and recharge capabilities but how? You have the battery chemistry we've got now, that's it. There isn't some magic way to put more energy into that cell. That's what I'm saying until someone can figure out a better battery you can't just magically have more energy. It's not like in a gas vehicle where you can design a better intake or exhaust or injection and get more power. That's possible because that energy is there, but unused. And for that last part that isn't what seems to be happening either, is it? |
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LOL electric vehicles.
And next you'll be telling me I can carry a computer in my pocket or that my VCR is obsolete. |
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Quoted: Why cant we just make a stupid diesel-electric car; simple and very efficient. Run a small diesel or natural gas engine to re-charge a battery. Boom. done. View Quote They do that with gas engines now. I’m sure at one point they considered diesels but diesels way more and have a lot more plumbing for emissions and (DPF, AdBlue). |
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Quoted: LOL electric vehicles. And next you'll be telling me I can carry a computer in my pocket or that my VCR is obsolete. View Quote Yea we now know how to build super computers but what's still holding your phone back? It's battery. It's not like they don't understand this. It's a chemistry problem. |
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Quoted: It's a completely different type of problem. Yea we now know how to build super computers but what's still holding your phone back? It's battery. It's not like they don't understand this. It's a chemistry problem. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: LOL electric vehicles. And next you'll be telling me I can carry a computer in my pocket or that my VCR is obsolete. Yea we now know how to build super computers but what's still holding your phone back? It's battery. It's not like they don't understand this. It's a chemistry problem. Our current battery tech is sufficient for commuter vehicles. |
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Quoted: This along with new nuclear power plants and gas powered cars will be gone pretty soon. View Quote Lol this guy thinks Xiden will let them build new nukes Let's also ignore the fact that even if we did get new nuke plants, our actual grid isn't anywhere near up to the task of handling an all electric fleet charging. So you're right, Xiden will probably mandate the end of gas cars with this new discovery, but it will come with rolling blackouts/load shedding on a daily basis like we're in some third world shithole like California, because he'll also mandate that all new power plants are exclusively solar and wind. Except for in DC, of course. They can still burn fossil fuels because they're more equal than you are. |
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We currently have on board charging systems now with gas engines. Why can't we develop on board charging systems for electric vehicles using the rotation of the wheels going down the road thus eliminating the need for charging stations?
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Too much is made about charging time. For the vast, vast majority of trips it is irrelevant. Charge it overnight and all is well.
For the times you need more distance there is always gas. |
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I foresee with the greenies fantasy noncoal and oilless fired power grid if EV goes mainstream so will brownouts. After the proles figure out you and your EV are the reason they can't cook dinner and sit sweating or freezing in the dark every evening you will become a Pariah and will not be able to safely drive or park it anywhere without the threat of it or you being vandalized/persecuted.
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They should make an electric motorboat, so you don't scare the fish.
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Quoted: Our current battery tech is sufficient for commuter vehicles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL electric vehicles. And next you'll be telling me I can carry a computer in my pocket or that my VCR is obsolete. Yea we now know how to build super computers but what's still holding your phone back? It's battery. It's not like they don't understand this. It's a chemistry problem. Our current battery tech is sufficient for commuter vehicles. But good thing the govt will be along shortly to help with that so people can see the light. Don't get me wrong I don't hate electric vehicles. Though I would never buy a Tesla because fuck Tesla. If they spent half the time and effort they do spying on people and trying to prevent the spread of EV knowledge and actually put that into being helpful the whole industry would probably be much further ahead. If I won the lottery I would have bought a Porsche Taycan. |
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Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year View Quote 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards View Quote "Anti"? It's more about having freedom to choose than "anti". |
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Quoted: Why cant we just make a stupid diesel-electric car; simple and very efficient. Run a small diesel or natural gas engine to re-charge a battery. Boom. done. View Quote Because weight, and cost, and efficency. You end up using more energy than just using a diesel vehicle in the first place. |
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Quoted: "Nano". Article is classic "pump & dump" hype. These pop up every few months, bunch a guys fantasizing that someone like FCA or (dare I say it ) Elon will swoop up their little company and make errybody a bazillionIaire. View Quote This. And also this: "The sample cells were produced by StoreDot's strategic partner in China" |
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Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year View Quote 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards View Quote This is interesting tech for all rechargable devices. Here is a little tinfoil for you pro EV tards. The Globalists have made it very clear they do NOT want the serfs out and about. They want to make travel as difficult as possible. EVs are very helpful to that end. Most people don't have 40 or 50 gallons of electricity stored in Jerry cans for emergencies. Most people don't have a spare 50 amp generator for emergency top ups for the car. Public free and public pay for charging stations don't have tanks of electricity in the ground to charge hundreds of vehicles at a time. Houses are being forced to have "smart meters" put on them. All of these factors give our new GLORIOUS LEADERS the ability to turn off the ability of citizens to travel, quite rapidly, if we are all driving EVs. If the excuse is "climate emergency" If the excuse is "pandemic emergency" If the excuse is "domestic terrorism emergency" (really, what do you think they would have done for the inauguration, if all private vehicles were electric?) Last year all this would have been crazy talk. Not so much now. |
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Quoted: This is interesting tech for all rechargable devices. Here is a little tinfoil for you pro EV tards. The Globalists have made it very clear they do NOT want the serfs out and about. They want to make travel as difficult as possible. EVs are very helpful to that end. Most people don't have 40 or 50 gallons of electricity stored in Jerry cans for emergencies. Most people don't have a spare 50 amp generator for emergency top ups for the car. Public free and public pay for charging stations don't have tanks of electricity in the ground to charge hundreds of vehicles at a time. Houses are being forced to have "smart meters" put on them. All of these factors give our new GLORIOUS LEADERS the ability to turn off the ability of citizens to travel, quite rapidly, if we are all driving EVs. If the excuse is "climate emergency" If the excuse is "pandemic emergency" If the excuse is "domestic terrorism emergency" (really, what do you think they would have done for the inauguration, if all private vehicles were electric?) Last year all this would have been crazy talk. Not so much now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards This is interesting tech for all rechargable devices. Here is a little tinfoil for you pro EV tards. The Globalists have made it very clear they do NOT want the serfs out and about. They want to make travel as difficult as possible. EVs are very helpful to that end. Most people don't have 40 or 50 gallons of electricity stored in Jerry cans for emergencies. Most people don't have a spare 50 amp generator for emergency top ups for the car. Public free and public pay for charging stations don't have tanks of electricity in the ground to charge hundreds of vehicles at a time. Houses are being forced to have "smart meters" put on them. All of these factors give our new GLORIOUS LEADERS the ability to turn off the ability of citizens to travel, quite rapidly, if we are all driving EVs. If the excuse is "climate emergency" If the excuse is "pandemic emergency" If the excuse is "domestic terrorism emergency" (really, what do you think they would have done for the inauguration, if all private vehicles were electric?) Last year all this would have been crazy talk. Not so much now. I can make my own electricity a lot easier than I can make my own gasoline. |
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Quoted: Isn't that for if there's only 1 vehicle at the station? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards I love how journalists can throw out misleading stats and uneducated idiots like OP eat it up. A Model S has a 85 kWh battery. Even if the battery could be charged in 5 mins, it would mean your charger would have to be able to put out 1 million watts Nevermind the thermal management. Please educate yourself. LoL are you serious A Tesla supercharger can charge two Tesla's to 50% in 20mins Think about that for a second Correct, 150KW per charger shared between the two cars. To charge two cars to 50% in 5 mins requires 8x that. 1,200KW. To charge two cars to 100% in 5mins requires 2,400KW. It's ridiculous. The investment in infrastructure would be COLLOSALL and Cali is barely investing enough in their power grid to keep the lights on in people's homes. |
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Quoted: This is interesting tech for all rechargable devices. Here is a little tinfoil for you pro EV tards. The Globalists have made it very clear they do NOT want the serfs out and about. They want to make travel as difficult as possible. EVs are very helpful to that end. Most people don't have 40 or 50 gallons of electricity stored in Jerry cans for emergencies. Most people don't have a spare 50 amp generator for emergency top ups for the car. Public free and public pay for charging stations don't have tanks of electricity in the ground to charge hundreds of vehicles at a time. Houses are being forced to have "smart meters" put on them. All of these factors give our new GLORIOUS LEADERS the ability to turn off the ability of citizens to travel, quite rapidly, if we are all driving EVs. If the excuse is "climate emergency" If the excuse is "pandemic emergency" If the excuse is "domestic terrorism emergency" (really, what do you think they would have done for the inauguration, if all private vehicles were electric?) Last year all this would have been crazy talk. Not so much now. View Quote |
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Quoted: I'd wager more than 90% of people have zero need to ever tow anything. Why does this need to be a requirement 'of the masses'? Not everyone needs a diesel Ford F-250 for daily use. People that do need such vehicles will still have them. EVs will be incremental... View Quote Not when you have governments promising to end sales of IC consumer vehicles by 2040... |
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EV technology and the infrastructure needed to support it to any usable extent will take many years and
When and if this shit actually happens only the extremely uber wealthy will be able to afford to have a car. If you think you're just going to keep your old gas powered vehicle forget it - gasoline will be $50 a gallon. People that get a woody talking about how cool electric cars are and how great life is going to be when this 'green new deal' shit gets rammed though are the same people who though obamacare was going to be free. LOL |
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Quoted: Not when you have governments promising to end sales of IC consumer vehicles by 2040... View Quote And that date will be pushed nearer and nearer, because of the level of control over people it will give government. Imagine the Left in power, and everyone in self-driving electric cars that are all connected to the government run network. |
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