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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:34:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ugh. This shit is never gonna end. Unfortunately, you're right. Obviously there's some dudes here that don't mind wearing their symbols of servitude, which is fine. For you, it's off to reeducation camp, after you get your magic needles first, of course. :) As for flying, it's just a hard pass honestly. Babylon doesn't really exist anymore. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:35:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because when you agree to buying a ticket on an airline you're agreeing to the rules. Follow the rules you agreed to. It's that simple. If the cashier isn't wearing a mask correctly, don't shop there again and tell the manager why. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everywhere, I can agree. No reason to travel if there is nowhere to go when you get there (closures, etc). Having to wear a mask? Well those cashiers at the grocery store manage to do it... It's bullshit that doing it in one place is fine doing it in another get you a run in with the police. I can already eat inside as long as it's outside and they don't have anywhere the air circulation and filtration and cleanings airlines have. What makes airlines so fuckin special? Because when you agree to buying a ticket on an airline you're agreeing to the rules. Follow the rules you agreed to. It's that simple. If the cashier isn't wearing a mask correctly, don't shop there again and tell the manager why. Of course I'm not going to tell on someone. Seems to me like airline people take themselves way too seriously. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, you're right. Obviously there's some dudes here that don't mind wearing their symbols of servitude, which is fine. For you, it's off to reeducation camp, after you get your magic needles first, of course. :) As for flying, it's just a hard pass honestly. Babylon doesn't really exist anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ugh. This shit is never gonna end. Unfortunately, you're right. Obviously there's some dudes here that don't mind wearing their symbols of servitude, which is fine. For you, it's off to reeducation camp, after you get your magic needles first, of course. :) As for flying, it's just a hard pass honestly. Babylon doesn't really exist anymore. Do I mind? Yes I do. However there are things way more important. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I said until people stand up to bullshit rules it's not going to stop. Of course I'm not going to tell on someone. Seems to me like airline people take themselves way too seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everywhere, I can agree. No reason to travel if there is nowhere to go when you get there (closures, etc). Having to wear a mask? Well those cashiers at the grocery store manage to do it... It's bullshit that doing it in one place is fine doing it in another get you a run in with the police. I can already eat inside as long as it's outside and they don't have anywhere the air circulation and filtration and cleanings airlines have. What makes airlines so fuckin special? Because when you agree to buying a ticket on an airline you're agreeing to the rules. Follow the rules you agreed to. It's that simple. If the cashier isn't wearing a mask correctly, don't shop there again and tell the manager why. Of course I'm not going to tell on someone. Seems to me like airline people take themselves way too seriously. You stand up to bullshit rules by not giving them your business (which a lot of people here have said and I understand that). You don't purchase a ticket and agree to follow their rules then not follow through once on the plane. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:41:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Airlines can most assuredly pull over and drop people off. Like you said, it's their airplane and if you signed papers, so be it. ... But that's on Idiocracy level right there. Land a fucking airplane because someone isn't wearing a mask. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:42:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like you said, it's their airplane and if you signed papers, so be it. ... But that's on Idiocracy level right there. Land a fucking airplane because someone isn't wearing a mask. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Airlines can most assuredly pull over and drop people off. Like you said, it's their airplane and if you signed papers, so be it. ... But that's on Idiocracy level right there. Land a fucking airplane because someone isn't wearing a mask. Do you follow through when you count to three with your children? Or do you just stay at 2 1/2 and show them you aren't serious? And before it's said "what about the other passengers..? They may miss their connections." That's true (yet unlikely actually). However, it's not the airline that made the decision to divert. It's the person that won't follow a basic rule that they originally agreed to. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:43:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I said until people stand up to bullshit rules it's not going to stop. Of course I'm not going to tell on someone. Seems to me like airline people take themselves way too seriously. Haha. Tell on someone? WTF, is this the Twilight zone? Been to big grocery store at least 30 times, no mask. Still the only person, except twice. Had conversations with manager a couple times. Never once was told to put one on. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:46:04 PM EDT
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Good thing Rosa Parks followed the "rules" and sat in the back. I mean, it was either sit in the back or walk right?
Some of you statists can't see the forest for the trees. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:46:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you follow through when you count to three with your children? Or do you just stay at 2 1/2 and show them you aren't serious? And before it's said "what about the other passengers..? They may miss their connections." That's true (yet unlikely actually). However, it's not the airline that made the decision to divert. It's the person that won't follow a basic rule that they originally agreed to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Airlines can most assuredly pull over and drop people off. Like you said, it's their airplane and if you signed papers, so be it. ... But that's on Idiocracy level right there. Land a fucking airplane because someone isn't wearing a mask. Do you follow through when you count to three with your children? Or do you just stay at 2 1/2 and show them you aren't serious? And before it's said "what about the other passengers..? They may miss their connections." That's true (yet unlikely actually). However, it's not the airline that made the decision to divert. It's the person that won't follow a basic rule that they originally agreed to. 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their plane, their arbitrary absurd rules. If you don't like it, you can leave. New rule: That only applies if you can start a competitor without jumping through unreasonable regulatory hoops. You can't, so fuck that: Reasonable rules only. Arbitrary absurd rules get the haterade. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:49:06 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you beg your children for money? yes.. every day. 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:49:09 PM EDT
[#12]
I recently drove 3,400 miles to avoid such things. I was good and comfortable and stress free.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:50:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Depressing as it is, I am glad I took the time to read this thread.
My knee replacement that has been put back forever is finally going to happen next month, and we will be flying to John Hopkins. Now I know what to expect on the journey. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:51:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to new rule? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And don't plan on flying without having gotten the vaccine and have papers to prove it. On phone so sorry for just link. I should have added that it's not currently in place here in the US, but if Europe is leaning toward requiring it then it could likely become a requirement here as well. I'll add that to my original post. USA Today article @FREEFALLE7 |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:52:07 PM EDT
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Masks are probably never going away.
Masks on airlines are definitely never going away. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:52:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You stand up to bullshit rules by not giving them your business (which a lot of people here have said and I understand that). You don't purchase a ticket and agree to follow their rules then not follow through once on the plane. Or, in the spirit of civil disobedience, you do exactly that. Then they can either be reasonable, or they can do what they did here and piss off the whole plane. We can call it "negotiation of terms." If a thousand people did the same thing on the same airline, three a day for a year, that airline would be forced to change their rule or lose a lot of business. Libertarian or not, I am absolutely done carrying water for international corporations who maximize the abuse of the property rights that nobody else is allowed to exercise, after enjoying special privileges from the government. Until they stop culturally enabling an environment of total control and start fighting for us too, they can pound sand. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:53:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depressing as it is, I am glad I took the time to read this thread. My knee replacement that has been put back forever is finally going to happen next month, and we will be flying to John Hopkins. Now I know what to expect on the journey. You're going to have a completely uneventful trip. Good luck with the knee replacement. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:55:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yes.. every day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you beg your children for money? yes.. every day. Or You do actually beg your children for money. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:57:18 PM EDT
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PCR test xiden vaccine quarantine pass to fly then pcr test xiden vaccine quarantine
Papers please. Or just Ivermectin zinc vitamin D and hydroxychloroquine- A fucking tranny that moved chinaflu into elderly care and killed a lot of people at risk while moving its own mother out of care- fucking honk honk clown world. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:03:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I wear it over my nose my glasses fog. I can't see my book, or screen or tablet, or the instructions on the handwipe pack or the nutrition information on the food packaging without my glasses. That's an ADA issue. That's real retarded sir. You can get antifogging wipes, sprays and drops. I use it while deer hunting and wearing a cammo mask, |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:07:56 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On phone so sorry for just link. I should have added that it's not currently in place here in the US, but if Europe is leaning toward requiring it then it could likely become a requirement here as well. I'll add that to my original post. USA Today article @FREEFALLE7 |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:08:10 AM EDT
[#22]
The biggest problem is the people that hate wearing masks, don't believe in the Covid hype but they wear em anyway. Those people forego principles for convenience or money, or to prevent ridicule. Keep on acquiescing. Our forefathers and revolutionaries would be proud.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:10:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bottle of water and a bag of beef jerky solves that whole mask issue. This. Use their bs rules against them. There hasn’t been freedom while flying for 20 years. First it’s the masks, then it’s the vaccine. You can bet your bottom dollar. Then I hope the airlines go out of business. They’ll probably then be collectivized. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:14:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Use their bs rules against them. There hasn’t been freedom while flying for 20 years. First it’s the masks, then it’s the vaccine. You can bet your bottom dollar. Then I hope the airlines go out of business. They’ll probably then be collectivized. Absolutely. Masks will pale in comparison to those bowing down to getting a shot they don't want. Eventually some will be Dennis Leary living in the sewers. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:17:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Airlines can most assuredly pull over and drop people off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Delta is the same way. I fly once a month and you had best keep it over your mouth and nose. Are they gonna pull over and kick you out? Of course not. But, (IMO) it’s not worth getting worked-up and causing a scene over a mask. Airlines can most assuredly pull over and drop people off. In a literal sense, sure. But, it’s always been that way. With that said, it wouldn’t make sense to divert a flight for a person refusing a mask after takeoff. Get to the destination and ban the traveler. Less headache for everyone, especially if it’s an otherwise non-confrontational issue. In the end, you agree to the mask when you check in. So, abide by your contract and wear it.  ETA: Yes, I know it’s happened. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:22:24 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay but what the fuck is he charged with at that point? Trespassing?  Probably something like interfering with a flight crew. The disorderly conduct of the skies. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:37:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can bring mini bottles in your carry on, but if you consume them in flight, you'll speak to the cops too. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: You can bring mini bottles in your carry on, but if you consume them in flight, you'll speak to the cops too. Kharn In college a friend I were flying, security opened his Buck knife to measure it against their hand to determine if it was to big to fly or not. It was about half inch to big, but they decided it was ok ayway. I took a large sip of my mostly rum out of my 20 oz of rum, rum, more rum, and some Coke. We were free once. Quoted: Quoted: Their plane, their arbitrary absurd rules. If you don't like it, you can leave. But can you though? No way to exit once under way. The police were a touch over the top. Sounds like a security escort if he was being belligerent. People are getting sick of this mask shit. A clever person could probably make an amusing edit with this movie clip  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:18:16 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their plane, their arbitrary absurd rules. If you don't like it, you can leave. That's all well and good, except the government should absolutely NOT be involved enforcing the airline's rules unless actual threat to the plane exists. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:20:04 AM EDT
[#29]
I hope they go the fuck outta business.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:27:44 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people have no concept of being discreet and how to go unnoticed It's a perfect example of when to say "ok" in a cooperative way, then keep doing what you want without drawing attention. Don't give them a reason to focus on you or you will be singled out and they will pay extra attention to what you are doing. If everyone loudly and aggressively called bullshit and refused to go along with the retardation, it would stop. Now, from an individual and practical standpoint you are exactly right and I do it myself. I'm no great leader in the uprising against government overreach. But I will NOT look down my nose at people like this. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:32:36 AM EDT
[#31]
Real fucking freedom fighters in this thread lol
Mfers actually comparing themselves to Rosa Parks 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:40:07 AM EDT
[#32]
I flew american last weekend. I was in literally the very back row. I really know how to savor that bag of pretzels for 90 min if you know what I mean....
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:42:48 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You stand up to bullshit rules by not giving them your business (which a lot of people here have said and I understand that). You don't purchase a ticket and agree to follow their rules then not follow through once on the plane. How do you expect me to show off my edgy defiance? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:43:00 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't like the rules charter your own private plane Fuck airlines, fuck masks covid is bullshit |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:43:35 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just have your tray table down and a drink or food out on the tabletop. You can have your mask down the entire cruise at altitude this way. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:44:08 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing Rosa Parks followed the "rules" and sat in the back. I mean, it was either sit in the back or walk right? Some of you statists can't see the forest for the trees. I want to sit in the cockpit during takeoff. Why shouldn't I be able to do that? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:44:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real fucking freedom fighters in this thread lol Mfers actually comparing themselves to Rosa Parks Instead of laughing maybe try explaining how that's wrong. Rosa Parks got on the bus. She agreed to follow the bus's rules. If she didn't like it, she could have walked instead of causing a scene. If she had just suffered in silence, she never would have been arrested. "Black people at the back of the bust" may have come from a more mean-spirited place, but "wear a completely useless mask to protect others who chose to be out in public around you" is just as fucking retarded. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:50:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me about it. It's sad when someone comes into your home or place of business after agreeing to your rules then they act like entitled assholes. Someone's home paid for with tax dollars. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:52:18 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not exactly. Most flight attendants will tell you to take a drink and immediately re-mask. Same with food. They want you to chew under your mask. I heard FAs too g to numerous passengers today about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just have your tray table down and a drink or food out on the tabletop. You can have your mask down the entire cruise at altitude this way. That's crazy, I've been on about 60 hours of flights since this started and never once been told to chew under my mask. What airline? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:54:37 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Instead of laughing maybe try explaining how that's wrong. Rosa Parks got on the bus. She agreed to follow the bus's rules. If she didn't like it, she could have walked instead of causing a scene. If she had just suffered in silence, she never would have been arrested. "Black people at the back of the bust" may have come from a more mean-spirited place, but "wear a completely useless mask to protect others who chose to be out in public around you" is just as fucking retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Real fucking freedom fighters in this thread lol Mfers actually comparing themselves to Rosa Parks Instead of laughing maybe try explaining how that's wrong. Rosa Parks got on the bus. She agreed to follow the bus's rules. If she didn't like it, she could have walked instead of causing a scene. If she had just suffered in silence, she never would have been arrested. "Black people at the back of the bust" may have come from a more mean-spirited place, but "wear a completely useless mask to protect others who chose to be out in public around you" is just as fucking retarded. Well, one is discrimination based on legitimate racism, not the watered down racism of today. The other is a dumb rule that applies to everyone that has nothing to do with racism or discrimination...it's just dumb. I don't think comparing yourself to Rosa Parks is how you win this argument. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:56:47 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm running an airline and find the majority of my customers want the people around them wearing masks...maybe even choose not to fly with me if we don't make that a requirement...I will mandate masks on my airplanes. Business decisions made to protect profits are not oppression. If you dislike the policy, fly a different airline. If enough people do THAT, the policy will be rescinded. Capitalism works. You can’t talk about airlines in the US and then use the word “capitalism”. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:02:53 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The big issue right now is with people saying they will wear masks as required (and signing their name to it) yet when it comes time to actually do what they agreed to, they act like children. At least the gentleman above that declined to go to Thailand was sticking to his morals. I might not agree with his reasoning, but I respect the choice. It's the guy that buys a ticket and agrees to the contract of carriage yet decides he's going to rage against the machine once he's on the plane that deserves no respect. I have worn a mask maybe five times since this madness started. Three times in that period I walked in a store and a mask nazi lost their shit about you must wear a mask. I just walked out and spent money elsewhere. I think the mask mandates as practiced and enforced are the dumbest fucking thing I have ever seen or heard about. I refuse to take part in it whenever possible. All that said I had an opportunity come up to do something really cool with some close friends I have not seen in a long time. It requires flying commercial. So in eight hours I'm going to wear a mask in accordance with the policy I agreed to, take that flight and take advantage of this opportunity. I'll hate it but I'll act like an adult and not give people trying to earn a living shit about a decision they had nothing to do with. This stupid shit will end eventually. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:42:51 AM EDT
[#43]
I refuse to fly American due to them calling police over people SINGING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.
But also, what if I have diagnosed asthma and claustrophobia. Fairly severe claustrophobia. I can only take a couple minutes in a mask before I start to come apart. Just no flying I guess? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:19:35 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So your having to wear a paper mask or gaiter on a flight is what stopped you from traveling to Thailand? That's what crossed the line? A multi week/multi thousand dollar trip down the drain because you couldn't wear a mask for 14hrs? 14 hours? I wish. It's 14 hours across the Pacific. Even from the left coast thailand is 20 hours. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:42:04 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone's home paid for with tax dollars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tell me about it. It's sad when someone comes into your home or place of business after agreeing to your rules then they act like entitled assholes. Someone's home paid for with tax dollars. Great point on the tax dollars. I'm curious about the "agreeing to your rules" comment. Do you have a list of rules that you review with people when they are about to enter your house? I'm pretty much of the "leave people the fuck alone" opinion as far as house rules. Even more so with a business. The customers have paid for aa via tax dollars to prop them up and then again for the ticket. If you're double dipping, you should especially be accommodating to your customers and let the little bullshit stuff slide. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:03:13 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just throw a blanket over your head and go to sleep, that's what my daughter did flying back to Germany yesterday. She had the covid vaccine already though. @FREEFALL7 Just arrived in Frankfurt today and all I did was sip on water and snack the entire flight. Whatever works
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:04:32 AM EDT
[#47]
Double-tap
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:57:08 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing Rosa Parks followed the "rules" and sat in the back. I mean, it was either sit in the back or walk right? Some of you statists can't see the forest for the trees. hesrightyouknow.jpeg |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:59:17 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Use their bs rules against them. There hasn't been freedom while flying for 20 years. First it's the masks, then it's the vaccine. You can bet your bottom dollar. Then I hope the airlines go out of business. They'll probably then be collectivized. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bottle of water and a bag of beef jerky solves that whole mask issue. This. Use their bs rules against them. There hasn't been freedom while flying for 20 years. First it's the masks, then it's the vaccine. You can bet your bottom dollar. Then I hope the airlines go out of business. They'll probably then be collectivized. Airlines will never go under, not the big ones at least. Uncle Sam will continue to subsidize them via your tax dollars no matter how many people stop flying as a result of their ridiculous rules. The free market argument put on its chute and bailed. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 6:05:36 AM EDT
[#50]
Flying sucked before this bullshit started. Now? No fucking way I'm getting on an airplane again.
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