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If you're going to imprison Assange, might as well imprison every single journalist who reports on classified information - which would be most of them.
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Boomers seem to hate both of them, I believe both to be modern day heroes. Why do you feel the government's dirty laundry should stay hidden? I would much rather live in Russia then be put in prison in the US, I also don't think Russia is a huge threat to the US. That is more of that boomer mentality.
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Quoted: If you're going to imprison Assange, might as well imprison every single journalist who reports on classified information - which would be most of them. View Quote Does every single journalist who reports on classified information offers to provide technical assistance so their source can access encrypted files? |
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Quoted: Had Snowden limited his revelations to domestic violations, his crimes may have deserved some limited sympathy and mitigation. But, providing our enemies with our intelligence secrets, was not merely a betrayal, but simple treason and espionage. View Quote Completely agree. Given your first scenario, I personally wouldn't characterize it as "limited sympathy". I would characterize it as extremely patriotic. The rest of what he did, as it relates to sources and methods on foreign soil, was absolutely treason. Can't separate the two, so though he illuminated aspects of government that are Stasi in nature and things American citizens should absolutely be made aware of, lives (among other assets) were lost as a result of the rest. The fleeing to China and then Russia while on the lamb speaks for itself. |
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Originally Posted By @StampCollector87: Boomers seem to hate both of them, I believe both to be modern day heroes. Why do you feel the government's dirty laundry should stay hidden? I would much rather live in Russia then be put in prison in the US, I also don't think Russia is a huge threat to the US. That is more of that boomer mentality. View Quote What do you find heroic about editing gun camera footage to make it look like Americans are murderers and releasing info on US spying targets in China? |
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Quoted: Snowden = wrong thing for the right reasons. Assange = right thing for the right reasons. The charges against him are nothing less than fake. If you got a problem with someone sharing information that he didn't initially obtain, you got a brain problem. Ideas and information are not illegal. Neither of them are evil, UNLIKE SOME PARDONED RECENTLY. Snowden is fine where he is. He did the American public a service ultimately I think, but he's fine where he is. View Quote |
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Quoted: What do you find heroic about editing gun camera footage to make it look like Americans are murderers and releasing info on US spying targets in China? View Quote You mean where the reporters got blown up because they had RPGs that were video cameras? You act like the military didn't murder/kill 100's of thousands of people in the middle east. Many where terrorist but we were on their land and many women and children died. |
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Quoted: You mean where the reporters got blown up because they had RPGs that were video cameras? You act like the military didn't murders 100's of thousands of people in the middle east. Many where terrorist but we were on their land and many women and children died. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What do you find heroic about editing gun camera footage to make it look like Americans are murderers and releasing info on US spying targets in China? You mean where the reporters got blown up because they had RPGs that were video cameras? You act like the military didn't murders 100's of thousands of people in the middle east. Many where terrorist but we were on their land and many women and children died. The "military murdered 100's of thousands of people in the middle east"? Murdered, huh? No shit? Now I see where you are coming from, and why you are such a big fan of Snowden and Assange. It all makes sense. |
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Quoted: You mean where the reporters got blown up because they had RPGs that were video cameras? You act like the military didn't murders 100's of thousands of people in the middle east. Many where terrorist but we were on their land and many women and children died. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What do you find heroic about editing gun camera footage to make it look like Americans are murderers and releasing info on US spying targets in China? You mean where the reporters got blown up because they had RPGs that were video cameras? You act like the military didn't murders 100's of thousands of people in the middle east. Many where terrorist but we were on their land and many women and children died. Holy shit. I had a low opinion of Snowden lovers, but this takes the cake. |
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Quoted: The "military murdered 100's of thousands of people in the middle east"? Murdered, huh? Now I see where you are coming from, and why you are such a big fan of Snowden and Assange. View Quote How many of the 911 hijackers were from Iraq and Afghanistan? Would you sit around and do nothing if you had a foreign military bombing the hell out of your country? If a country occupies another country for unjust reasons then those lives taken would be murder vs justified. Just because Bush wanted to try and finish what his bitch of a father started a decade earlier does not make it justified. How did the search for WMD's go? |
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Quoted: I tend to agree with this overall. Hard to be 100% sure because who knows the full truths. View Quote One truth I do know is that anything and everything the IC tells you publicly is spun to paint them in the best possible light, even if they have to outright lie, they won't hesitate at all. They have a shit load of reasons to lie about these incidents. |
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Quoted: How many of the 911 hijackers were from Iraq and Afghanistan? Would you sit around and do nothing if you had a foreign military bombing the hell out of your country? If a country occupies another country for unjust reasons then those lives taken would be murder vs justified. Just because Bush wanted to try and finish what his bitch of a father started a decade earlier does not make it justified. How did the search for WMD's go? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The "military murdered 100's of thousands of people in the middle east"? Murdered, huh? Now I see where you are coming from, and why you are such a big fan of Snowden and Assange. How many of the 911 hijackers were from Iraq and Afghanistan? Would you sit around and do nothing if you had a foreign military bombing the hell out of your country? If a country occupies another country for unjust reasons then those lives taken would be murder vs justified. Just because Bush wanted to try and finish what his bitch of a father started a decade earlier does not make it justified. How did the search for WMD's go? So how long have you been a Code Pink activist? |
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Quoted: Assange is a Russian agent. Snowden is a spy for a foreign power. Neither of these guys are heroes. View Quote I trust Assange and Snowden more than Brennan, Clapper or Comey. Change my mind. |
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Quoted: If personal privacy was of such concern to him then why did he go to China?If personal privacy was of such a concern to him then why did he go to Russia? But he didn't. But he didn't. But he didn't. View Quote Monday morning quarterbacking a guy who was making decisions under unimaginable stress just to try and stay alive. I'll give him a huge level of benefit of doubt here, if needed - but I really don't even see much need for that. His book explains a great deal of his actions and the vast majority of his detractors have a priori mental commitments that would never allow them to support him anyway. Why would he bother trying to convince you? Why would I? |
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Quoted: Not a clue what that is. But I am anti war, I guess that makes me a piece of shit. Are you saying with what you know today that the war/conflicts on the middle east were justified? View Quote You have to understand that there's a subset of this forum that loves war and death and you'll never convince them otherwise. Mark them, avoid them, but never think you'll change them. |
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Quoted: Not a clue what that is. But I am anti war, I guess that makes me a piece of shit. Are you saying with what you know today that the war/conflicts in the middle east were justified? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So how long have you been a Code Pink activist? Not a clue what that is. But I am anti war, I guess that makes me a piece of shit. Are you saying with what you know today that the war/conflicts in the middle east were justified? You parrot the talking points of the FAR Left anti-war activists, and you denigrate our military, accusing them of "murdering hundreds of thousands" of people. That's who you are. |
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Quoted: You have to understand that there's a subset of this forum that loves war and death and you'll never convince them otherwise. Mark them, avoid them, but never think you'll change them. View Quote Really seems that way. They act like they wouldn't do the same thing that the terrorist did if another country invaded the US. |
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Quoted: Really seems that way. They act like they wouldn't do the same thing that the terrorist did if another country invaded the US. View Quote Notice in their replies how if you criticize our government's wars, they clutch their pearls and pretend you're blaming it on the ground troops. Classic leftist propaganda technique. |
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Quoted: Thank god the smartest person in the room showed up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Assange is a Russian agent. Snowden is a spy for a foreign power. Neither of these guys are heroes. Because a lot of arfcommers are fucktarded potheads without a braincell left to their name. And they're gullible as fuck. Thank god the smartest person in the room showed up. Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now. |
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Quoted: You parrot the talking points of the FAR Left anti-war activists, and you denigrate our military, accusing them of "murdering hundreds of thousands" of people. That's who you are. View Quote So the war was just? Answer that question. If the war was unjust and we were there for one man to prove to his daddy that he was not a giant piece of shit and could finish what his daddy started the war was unjust and all the people that died did so unjustly. No WMD's and the countries are no better now then they were 20 years ago. Don't act like the soldiers were fighting for our freedom over there, they were fighting to serve the industrial military complex. They were pawns of the elite to make billions/trillions in contracts. |
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Quoted: Notice in their replies how if you criticize our government's wars, they clutch their pearls and pretend you're blaming it on the ground troops. Classic leftist propaganda technique. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Really seems that way. They act like they wouldn't do the same thing that the terrorist did if another country invaded the US. Notice in their replies how if you criticize our government's wars, they clutch their pearls and pretend you're blaming it on the ground troops. Classic leftist propaganda technique. Accusing the military of "murdering hundreds of thousands" in the middle east, but no troops did any of the "murdering"? How exactly does that work? |
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Quoted: So the war was just? Answer that question. If the war was unjust and we were there for one man to prove to his daddy that he was not a giant piece of shit and could finish what his daddy started the war was unjust and all the people that died did so unjustly. No WMD's and the countries are no better now then they were 20 years ago. Don't act like the soldiers were fighting for our freedom over there, they were fighting to serve the industrial military complex. They were pawns of the elite to make billions/trillions in contracts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You parrot the talking points of the FAR Left anti-war activists, and you denigrate our military, accusing them of "murdering hundreds of thousands" of people. That's who you are. So the war was just? Answer that question. If the war was unjust and we were there for one man to prove to his daddy that he was not a giant piece of shit and could finish what his daddy started the war was unjust and all the people that died did so unjustly. No WMD's and the countries are no better now then they were 20 years ago. Don't act like the soldiers were fighting for our freedom over there, they were fighting to serve the industrial military complex. They were pawns of the elite to make billions/trillions in contracts. You lie and accuse the military of murdering hundreds of thousands of people. Then you blather on, defending your lie by parroting the tired talking points of the FAR, FAR Left. |
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Quoted: Accusing the military of "murdering hundreds of thousands" in the middle east, but no troops did any of the "murdering"? How exactly does that work? View Quote Murdering, killing, drone striking hospitals. You are getting wrapped up over one word I chose to use and not the fact that we should have never been there in the first place. |
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Quoted: You lie and accuse the military of murdering hundreds of thousands of people. Then you blather on, defending your lie by parroting the tired talking points of the FAR, FAR Left. View Quote So if you don't support wars you are the far left? I am sure the war was worth the thousands of American death's, suicides, life changing injuries, and the trillion plus dollars. |
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Quoted: Sounds good to me. View Quote Truly a frightening viewpoint. Just a cursory run through history shows us that some of the most heinous shit our government has ever done to its own citizens, or to other nations, was classified. As much as I hate the left, the nut-sucking statism of the right and blind worship of the government to do what is right (and be above board about it) is as revolting. Ironically, when the really awful leftists get ahold of our seats of power (as they have in recent years), people on the right want to know what they're doing behind closed doors. Do you ever just stop and think about this stuff? I mean, at all? |
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Quoted: Truly a frightening viewpoint. Just a cursory run through history shows us that some of the most heinous shit our government has ever done to its own citizens, or to other nations, was classified. As much as I hate the left, the nut-sucking statism of the right and blind worship of the government to do what is right (and be above board about it) is as revolting. Ironically, when the really awful leftists get ahold of our seats of power (as they have in recent years), people on the right want to know what they're doing behind closed doors. Do you ever just stop and think about this stuff? I mean, at all? View Quote ^^This is of life-and-death importance to our nation^^ Extremely well said. |
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Quoted: Assange is a Russian agent. Snowden is a spy for a foreign power. Neither of these guys are heroes. View Quote There's a lot of useful idiots around. |
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Quoted: So if you don't support wars you are the far left? I am sure the war was worth the thousands of American death's, suicides, life changing injuries, and the trillion plus dollars. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You lie and accuse the military of murdering hundreds of thousands of people. Then you blather on, defending your lie by parroting the tired talking points of the FAR, FAR Left. So if you don't support wars you are the far left? I am sure the war was worth the thousands of American death's, suicides, life changing injuries, and the trillion plus dollars. Nope. If you parrot the Far Left talking points and accuse the military of "murdering" hundreds of thousands of people, in all likelihood, you are Far Left -or a useful idiot to the Far Left. Six of one, half-dozen of another. |
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Quoted: Truly a frightening viewpoint. Just a cursory run through history shows us that some of the most heinous shit our government has ever done to its own citizens, or to other nations, was classified. As much as I hate the left, the nut-sucking statism of the right and blind worship of the government to do what is right (and be above board about it) is as revolting. Ironically, when the really awful leftists get ahold of our seats of power (as they have in recent years), people on the right want to know what they're doing behind closed doors. Do you ever just stop and think about this stuff? I mean, at all? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Sounds good to me. Truly a frightening viewpoint. Just a cursory run through history shows us that some of the most heinous shit our government has ever done to its own citizens, or to other nations, was classified. As much as I hate the left, the nut-sucking statism of the right and blind worship of the government to do what is right (and be above board about it) is as revolting. Ironically, when the really awful leftists get ahold of our seats of power (as they have in recent years), people on the right want to know what they're doing behind closed doors. Do you ever just stop and think about this stuff? I mean, at all? Agreed. Snowden should be held accountable for anything released that could put Americans in danger, and if he gave to foreign entities he should be held accountable for that too. BUT, showing proof of government wrongdoing should not be punishable. ETA- just look at operation Northwoods if you think it's always wrong to whistleblow against the government. |
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I love all the shills thinking they were agents for anyone but the bankers, if anybody. These are the kind of people who think they know what is going on because they have clearances.
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Quoted: Assange is perhaps the world’s greatest advocate for free speech and freedom of the press. Snowden exposed unbelievable criminality and abuse of citizens’ rights at the hands of their own government. Whatever else you might say of him, that outweighs it IMO. Stop blaming everything on Russia, you sound like a goddamn democrat. INB4 Josh yells at us to read the HPSCI report in Snowden? Because I have, it’s garbage, just like every disgusting swamp creature in Washington. View Quote Agree. |
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Quoted: Agreed. Snowden should be held accountable for anything released that could put Americans in danger, and if he gave to foreign entities he should be held accountable for that too. BUT, showing proof of government wrongdoing should not be punishable. ETA- just look at operation Northwoods if you think it's always wrong to whistleblow against the government. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds good to me. Truly a frightening viewpoint. Just a cursory run through history shows us that some of the most heinous shit our government has ever done to its own citizens, or to other nations, was classified. As much as I hate the left, the nut-sucking statism of the right and blind worship of the government to do what is right (and be above board about it) is as revolting. Ironically, when the really awful leftists get ahold of our seats of power (as they have in recent years), people on the right want to know what they're doing behind closed doors. Do you ever just stop and think about this stuff? I mean, at all? Agreed. Snowden should be held accountable for anything released that could put Americans in danger, and if he gave to foreign entities he should be held accountable for that too. BUT, showing proof of government wrongdoing should not be punishable. ETA- just look at operation Northwoods if you think it's always wrong to whistleblow against the government. Sure would have been nice to see some IC and FBI folks whistle-blow on the coup those cunts were attempting for 4 straight goddamn years. Alas, those "patriots" kept their mouths shut just like the ones in this thread advocate. |
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Quoted: Nope. If you parrot the Far Left talking points and accuse the military of "murdering" hundreds of thousands of people, in all likelihood, you are Far Left -or a useful idiot to the Far Left. Six of one, half-dozen of another. View Quote So your saying the people that died in the Kunduz hospital airstrike were justified? I would call that murder but you may be warped in the head and feel like it's just the cost of war. It's amazing how blindly people follow our government as long as there is a bogyman. They authorized the military to use deadly force in DC if needed against US citizens. Those same soldiers will be the ones that take part in gun confiscation if it ever happens. I am sure they will treat US citizens better then they did people of the middle east. |
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Quoted: So your saying the people that died in the Kunduz hospital airstrike were justified? I would call that murder but you may be warped in the head and feel like it's just the cost of war. It's amazing how blindly people follow our government as long as there is a bogyman. They authorized the military to use deadly force in DC if needed against US citizens. Those same soldiers will be the ones that take part in gun confiscation if it ever happens. I am sure they will treat US citizens better then they did people of the middle east. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Nope. If you parrot the Far Left talking points and accuse the military of "murdering" hundreds of thousands of people, in all likelihood, you are Far Left -or a useful idiot to the Far Left. Six of one, half-dozen of another. So your saying the people that died in the Kunduz hospital airstrike were justified? I would call that murder but you may be warped in the head and feel like it's just the cost of war. It's amazing how blindly people follow our government as long as there is a bogyman. They authorized the military to use deadly force in DC if needed against US citizens. Those same soldiers will be the ones that take part in gun confiscation if it ever happens. I am sure they will treat US citizens better then they did people of the middle east. There you go again... |
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Quoted: There you go again not answering any questions. In your mind I guess we should not speak of any of the bad things the US military did. That must be why you dislike Assange so much, he uncovered the crimes committed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There you go again... There you go again not answering any questions. In your mind I guess we should not speak of any of the bad things the US military did. That must be why you dislike Assange so much, he uncovered the crimes committed. That's because I have no respect for your "questions." Anyone who CONSTANTLY uses the phrase "so you're saying..." -and then goes on to say something OTHER than what that person is ACTUALLY saying, deserves very little respect in any conversation. |
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Quoted: That's because I have no respect for your "questions." Anyone who CONSTANTLY uses the phrase "so you're saying..." -and then goes on to say something OTHER than what that person is ACTUALLY saying, deserves very little respect in any conversation. View Quote Well all you have said is I am a far left wing nut job and that I used the word murder. Got it good argument, I hope you love your new commander in chief as much as you have loved the past. Look on the bright side we are about guaranteed to be in multiple wars so that should make you happy. Seeing our soldiers sent off to die while policing the world for unjust causes. But think how much money will be made by the elites of the backs of these soldiers. Totally worth it. |
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Quoted: Well all you have said is I am a far left wing nut job and that I used the word murder. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That's because I have no respect for your "questions." Anyone who CONSTANTLY uses the phrase "so you're saying..." -and then goes on to say something OTHER than what that person is ACTUALLY saying, deserves very little respect in any conversation. Well all you have said is I am a far left wing nut job and that I used the word murder. See? You did it again. |
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Quoted: No I really don't see, but I am sure you won't educate me on what you are talking about. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: See? You did it again. No I really don't see, but I am sure you won't educate me on what you are talking about. Of course not. You just keep on keeping on. |
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Quoted: No I really don't see, but I am sure you won't educate me on what you are talking about. View Quote I'll help you out, because you are clearly in need of help. When you said that Cincinattus called you a far left nut job, that was an example of you putting words in his mouth. While he has (accurately) said that you parrot far left talking points, he has never called you a far left nut job. |
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Quoted: I'll help you out, because you are clearly in need of help. When you said that Cincinattus called you a far left nut job, that was an example of you putting words in his mouth. While he has (accurately) said that you parrot far left talking points, he has never called you a far left nut job. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No I really don't see, but I am sure you won't educate me on what you are talking about. I'll help you out, because you are clearly in need of help. When you said that Cincinattus called you a far left nut job, that was an example of you putting words in his mouth. While he has (accurately) said that you parrot far left talking points, he has never called you a far left nut job. Oh so adding the nut job is throwing him off? Thanks for the input. I guess I added nut job because most people on the far left are in fact nut jobs. |
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Quoted: Oh so adding the nut job is throwing him off? Thanks for the input. I guess I added nut job because most people on the far left are in fact nut jobs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No I really don't see, but I am sure you won't educate me on what you are talking about. I'll help you out, because you are clearly in need of help. When you said that Cincinattus called you a far left nut job, that was an example of you putting words in his mouth. While he has (accurately) said that you parrot far left talking points, he has never called you a far left nut job. Oh so adding the nut job is throwing him off? Thanks for the input. I guess I added nut job because most people on the far left are in fact nut jobs. Which is one of MANY reasons why most people avoid parroting their talking points of the Far Left. Who wants to be mistakenly identified as a "nut job"? |
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Quoted: Oh so adding the nut job is throwing him off? Thanks for the input. I guess I added nut job because most people on the far left are in fact nut jobs. View Quote See, there you go doing it again. He did not say that you are on the far left. He said you repeat far left talking points. Do you not understand the distinction? |
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