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Posted: 1/18/2021 4:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Re-purposing spent M200-series fuze heads to light cannon fuse (and thus smoke mixture) is simple. I just wish I had better smoke chemical to stuff inside my homemade smokes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try Enola Gay smokes. They have pull-ring activation, but no spoon though :( Re-purposing spent M200-series fuze heads to light cannon fuse (and thus smoke mixture) is simple. I just wish I had better smoke chemical to stuff inside my homemade smokes. Hexachloroethane doesn't look restricted, you can buy it as fine chemical. Aluminum powder and Zinc Oxide are easy to get. Not saying it would be cost effective to do it, but its certainly possible. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 4:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why wouldn't you make actual HC filler like a miltary smoke? Hexachloroethane doesn't look restricted, you can buy it as fine chemical. Aluminum powder and Zinc Oxide are easy to get. Not saying it would be cost effective to do it, but its certainly possible. Because after drilling the grenade fuzes and making bodies out of PVC, I'm fucking lazy. 
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @DeltaElite777 What you want is a mixture of Hexachloroethane, Zinc Oxide and Aluminum powder. The Hexachloroethane acts as a chlorine donor to produce highly deliquescent Zinc Chloride. The latter sublimes and absorbs water to produce clouds of smoke. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/EBF8A9B7-8EFB-4181-B047-407CE5741F76-1785361.jpg https://www.firefox-fx.com/ChemG-H.htm How would one find the correct mixture? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because after drilling the grenade fuzes and making bodies out of PVC, I'm fucking lazy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why wouldn't you make actual HC filler like a miltary smoke? Hexachloroethane doesn't look restricted, you can buy it as fine chemical. Aluminum powder and Zinc Oxide are easy to get. Not saying it would be cost effective to do it, but its certainly possible. Because after drilling the grenade fuzes and making bodies out of PVC, I'm fucking lazy. I have some Hexachloroethane sitting in a shopping cart right now... |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:01:28 PM EDT
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I need a solid formula for a 37mm variety.
Yet again I should read the whole thread before posting.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:04:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unpresident Xiden is already working on it. Gay troops are currently field testing experimental models. Lulz. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:35:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would one find the correct mixture? +1 |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unpresident Xiden is already working on it. Gay troops are currently field testing experimental models. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's not gay unless they produce rainbow smoke. Unpresident Xiden is already working on it. Gay troops are currently field testing experimental models. The Pentagon has issued strict guidelines about gay troops  'Gays Too Precious To Risk In Combat' |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would How would one find the correct mixture? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @DeltaElite777 What you want is a mixture of Hexachloroethane, Zinc Oxide and Aluminum powder. The Hexachloroethane acts as a chlorine donor to produce highly deliquescent Zinc Chloride. The latter sublimes and absorbs water to produce clouds of smoke. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/EBF8A9B7-8EFB-4181-B047-407CE5741F76-1785361.jpg https://www.firefox-fx.com/ChemG-H.htm Would How would one find the correct mixture? @CenterMass762 @DeltaElite777 @TakeBackTheFed Read the Smoke chapter in Herbert Ellern’s Military and Civilian Pyrotechnics, Chapter 18, starting on p.147. Formulas start on p.371. The percentages are by weight. The free .pdf is here: http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/pdf/4651.pdf |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:36:45 PM EDT
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I have had a very good experience with these. The little ones work great in the woods and the big ones will cover a large open area.
https://sportsmoke.com/smoke-grenades |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @CenterMass762 @DeltaElite777 @TakeBackTheFed Read the Smoke chapter in Herbert Ellern’s Military and Civilian Pyrotechnics, Chapter 18, starting on p.147. Formulas start on p.371. The percentages are by weight. The free .pdf is here: http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/pdf/4651.pdf Whoa, what an awesome book to have on hand. Thank you! |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 10:35:18 PM EDT
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Indeed. Thanks man!
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:24:02 PM EDT
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Smokes shipped today so that place is good to go it seems
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:01:10 PM EDT
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Got rid of the last real M18 over six years ago. we had some red ones for medevac choppers.
Can was rusting through so i popped it at the police range. It worked perfectly even gnarly looking. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:12:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @CenterMass762 @DeltaElite777 @TakeBackTheFed Read the Smoke chapter in Herbert Ellern’s Military and Civilian Pyrotechnics, Chapter 18, starting on p.147. Formulas start on p.371. The percentages are by weight. The free .pdf is here: http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/pdf/4651.pdf MalwareBytes went off on that site |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:21:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MalwareBytes went off on that site Thanks @C-4 |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:44:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Smokes shipped today so that place is good to go it seems Nice, you gonna pop one?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:37:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice, you gonna pop one? Definitely going to pop smoke Ill pop one and see how it is. Hoping that I wont get a  look on my face when I pop itIm trying to go into this underwhelmed so I can hopefully walk away slightly impressed |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:45:27 AM EDT
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We used to play paintball in the woods when I was younger and I had few of the real ones that had the pin and fuse that I had picked up at a paintball store before they banned them and those things smoked up the entire woods. We threw it in a creek and it just floated and continued to belch orange smoke for what seemed like a solid 5 minutes.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:17:18 PM EDT
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Smaller than I thought theyd be
1911 with a stendo for size comparison 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:32:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Smaller than I thought theyd be 1911 with a stendo for size comparison https://i.imgur.com/Iei5yTih.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:41:12 PM EDT
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There was a cool thread here a while ago about airsoft flashbangs. It's in the archive hole right now, but it was pretty interesting.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:48:26 PM EDT
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Please take video OP.
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a cool thread here a while ago about airsoft flashbangs. It's in the archive hole right now, but it was pretty interesting. Do you have a link to it? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Re-purposing spent M200-series fuze heads to light cannon fuse (and thus smoke mixture) is simple. I just wish I had better smoke chemical to stuff inside my homemade smokes. What body do you use? I have been using duct tape and cardboard. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:26:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What body do you use? I have been using duct tape and cardboard. PVC pipe roll-your-own. Cap one end, use threaded cap on the other for easy refill. I drill 2 vent holes and cover them with 100MPH tape (Which is basically the same way a real M18 works, IIRC. It's nice because theoretically you could make any size you wanted. I guess they might melt eventually, but I've re-used one a few times and it's still holding up. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:42:11 PM EDT
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@chase45 Briggs Core Dynamics in Fowler, IN just got a shipment of the Mil-x smoke grenades and some flash bangs in the other day. Probably a trip for you, but at least they're in state and in stock. I grabbed a few , but haven't picked them up yet.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:54:40 PM EDT
[#27]
They look pretty cool.
 AIRSOFT SMOKE GRENADE - TLSFx 3rd Generation Pyrotechnics |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 8:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chrome didn't like that link either. I scanned the PDF on virustotal.com and it's totally clean. Thanks @C-4 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: MalwareBytes went off on that site Thanks @C-4 @KitBuilder Any time. 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 8:04:47 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try Enola Gay smokes. They have pull-ring activation, but no spoon though :( I’ve used these they’re fun. The minis and the dual colors are gtg. The EG18 is supposed to be a decent equivalent in output and burn time to a Mk18. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 8:13:15 PM EDT
[#30]
Now I feel like I need some....and flash bangs
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Posted: 1/21/2021 8:24:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try Enola Gay smokes. They have pull-ring activation, but no spoon though :( The pull-string ones do put out some serious smoke though. Been using them for fire department drills for mask confidence amd SCBA procedures. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 8:30:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get a six pack of Enola Gaye off amazon for 79.99 and free shipping. They are not shipped hazmat so I dont know how long the seller will be around. But, mine showed up just fine.   Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 9:20:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @DeltaElite777 What you want is a mixture of Hexachloroethane, Zinc Oxide and Aluminum powder. The Hexachloroethane acts as a chlorine donor to produce highly deliquescent Zinc Chloride. The latter sublimes and absorbs water to produce clouds of smoke. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/EBF8A9B7-8EFB-4181-B047-407CE5741F76-1785361.jpg https://www.firefox-fx.com/ChemG-H.htm I found great success with the lactose recipes for colored smoke. Red was the best. I was repurposing used training fuzes to work with a large pistol primer and cannon Fuze. My kids loved it. I was using hobby chemical supply. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 9:22:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because after drilling the grenade fuzes and making bodies out of PVC, I'm fucking lazy. Pvc? I was using soup cans with epoxy and hvac tape... |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 1:36:18 PM EDT
[#35]
OP has received the grenades. There remains a disturbing lack of video.
Day 1 |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 2:42:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP has received the grenades. There remains a disturbing lack of video. Day 1 I dont get off work until its dark  Im poppin one this weekend though so not much longer to wait |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 3:00:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Can you DIY flash-bangs?
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you DIY flash-bangs? How bad do you want glow? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:34:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you DIY flash-bangs? a dude on youtube with a licese talks about flashbangs and whats inside. he was making little CO2 cartridge bombs that were essentially flashbangs. He has a license and all that good stuff its like ordinance lab or something. also tag because i want to refill some of the used m-18's i have. Will a 209 primer light a sugar smoke mix? Ill be DLing the manual later and maybe using that fill instead. If a 209 wont, maybe add some slow burning powder inside with a few flakes of propellant to ignite the mix. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:57:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:26:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: a dude on youtube with a licese talks about flashbangs and whats inside. he was making little CO2 cartridge bombs that were essentially flashbangs. He has a license and all that good stuff its like ordinance lab or something. also tag because i want to refill some of the used m-18's i have. Will a 209 primer light a sugar smoke mix? Ill be DLing the manual later and maybe using that fill instead. If a 209 wont, maybe add some slow burning powder inside with a few flakes of propellant to ignite the mix. It probably won’t ignite it directly, no. But it will light the heck out of visco fuse, and that can in turn light the smoke mix no problem. Small pistol primers will light fuse too. A primed .25ACP casing fits in the M20x cavity very well, and the pop is a lot quieter than the shotgun primer. (209s are pretty damn loud). |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:29:48 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It probably won’t ignite it directly, no. But it will light the heck out of visco fuse, and that can in turn light the smoke mix no problem. Small pistol primers will light fuse too. A primed .25ACP casing fits in the M20x cavity very well, and the pop is a lot quieter than the shotgun primer. (209s are pretty damn loud). pretty much what i though. ill test ghetto fuse mechanisms this weekend. I have a few feet of fast burn fuse leftover from when we would host firework parties. Ill look into the 25acp, do you need to drill the fuse out to fit it like you do for the 209? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:42:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I miss the ALS smokes. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: pretty much what i though. ill test ghetto fuse mechanisms this weekend. I have a few feet of fast burn fuse leftover from when we would host firework parties. Ill look into the 25acp, do you need to drill the fuse out to fit it like you do for the 209? Yep. .25ACP is very close in diameter to the 209 primer. There might be a way to get the original spent primer out without drilling, but I just put the right sized bit in the drill press and did a bunch of them all at once. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 12:10:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. .25ACP is very close in diameter to the 209 primer. There might be a way to get the original spent primer out without drilling, but I just put the right sized bit in the drill press and did a bunch of them all at once. I recommend a wrap of electrical tape around the case if you use the .25acp case. It will prevent it from blowing out of the fuze, meaning you can reprime the case and need to buy less .25acp. I'm using ppu with a chunk of visco fuse that I wrap in a piece of cotton ball with a 50/50 lightly ground mix of sugar/potassium nitrate. Helps to keep sparks out of the mix and seems to create a faux fuse train. I also have a bit of the loose 50/50 powder mix inside too that should burn a bit hotter and ensure good ignition. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 12:18:29 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: a dude on youtube with a licese talks about flashbangs and whats inside. he was making little CO2 cartridge bombs that were essentially flashbangs. He has a license and all that good stuff its like ordinance lab or something. also tag because i want to refill some of the used m-18's i have. Will a 209 primer light a sugar smoke mix? Ill be DLing the manual later and maybe using that fill instead. If a 209 wont, maybe add some slow burning powder inside with a few flakes of propellant to ignite the mix. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can you DIY flash-bangs? a dude on youtube with a licese talks about flashbangs and whats inside. he was making little CO2 cartridge bombs that were essentially flashbangs. He has a license and all that good stuff its like ordinance lab or something. also tag because i want to refill some of the used m-18's i have. Will a 209 primer light a sugar smoke mix? Ill be DLing the manual later and maybe using that fill instead. If a 209 wont, maybe add some slow burning powder inside with a few flakes of propellant to ignite the mix. Flashbangs are considered a DD. Also, the CO2 cartridge bombs aka cricket bombs that ordnance lab was making were essentially small improvised frag grenades and considered DDs. There are cardboard tubes that are better than the CO2 cartridges as they won't produce shrapnel. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 12:24:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The CO2 cartridge "flash bangs" are a hoot I think that's how the airsoft Rpg-7 warhead works. It has a CO2 bottle in the nose as a 'bursting charge'. It can lob the polymer warhead a good distance. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:49:47 PM EDT
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Honestly not bad at all. I think my expectations were low so I came out pretty impressed
Filmed vertically so I can hear people bitch   smoke grenade |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:09:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Nooice.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:12:04 PM EDT
[#50]
Pretty good amount of smoke!
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