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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:11:19 AM EDT
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No. Minorities largely vote Democrat/left. Don’t give me any of that catholic conservatives values bullshit either. We don’t need any more Mexicans/South Americans than we already have. Hell, they’re one of the only demographics with an above replacement birth rate. They’re doing a find job increasing their numbers stateside as is.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:11:33 AM EDT
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As far as Mexicans only doing jobs Americans won't, look at HGTV home renovation shows and you will see that many trades are done by Mexicans. Those are decent, probably well paying jobs somehow taken by illegals.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:12:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rich irony here, given the current trajectory of our country. Are we all shitty people because forces beyond our control are turning our nation into a third world anarcho-communist shithole? And we start eyeing other places to live? We should be able to take over Honduras or Guatemala in the next few years with ease, they will be empty. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:14:02 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as Mexicans only doing jobs Americans won't, look at HGTV home renovation shows and you will see that many trades are done by Mexicans. Those are decent, probably well paying jobs somehow taken by illegals. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:15:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: I know this will not sit well with some here but here goes. My opinion has changed regarding our "recent Hispanic immigrants". In fact they may be the only hope left for America given the ever increasing number of them voting against the dems and their communism. Let's face it, they know communism and banana republics when they see them. Now I'm not so ignorant to know that they will: * Take full advantage of every freebee offered them.....You know, like "real" minority Americans do. * Fail to assimilate until at least a generation is born here.....No different than any other non English speaking immigrant group throughout our history. I'm not sure what this means. "Didn't learn English right away"? So what? "Failed to become self reliant and not reach for a nanny-state to provide all"? Well, even the natives have that attitude these days. * Continue to take US jobs, work under the table, and send $$$ to their relatives in their home countries. "Take US jobs and work under the table" is interesting. Why are there incentives for anyone to work under the table? And who cares what people do with their money? * Shirk many existing laws. (most of which are anti-freedom anyway) There is a HUGE problem in this country with the number of laws and selective enforcement of them, but that isn't an immigrant issue. What America does gain from them is: * A strong religious (abet mostly Catholic) sense. * Live in and promote much more cohesive family units than certain segments of our own minority population. * Possess a very powerful work ethic. This almost sounds like the "nobel savage" trope and I don't think it is particularly true. If your thesis is "illegal aliens are our last hope" you are terribly mistaken. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:25:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was a kid, landscapers were kids on summer vacation. Now...? Yeah, maybe you should be asking yourself that question and the reasons behind it. Guess who was hustling to shovel snow in my Mom's neighborhood when we had a a bit over a foot of snow a month back.....Hispanic kids. There are no fewer "American" kids around than when I was a kid shoveling snow, hell there are more of them but the ones around now are just too sorry to do any work. You best wake up to the fact that Hispanics earn their wages and are increasingly the go to people if you need something done on the manual labor side of things. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:29:25 AM EDT
[#7]
Give them amnesty. Lets get that part over with.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:33:53 AM EDT
[#8]
A field in which I expect to see massive growth is the investigation of sex crimes against children. As well as DUI investigation and defense.
We're going to get more of what we've already got. OP got high on his own supply. Nothing good comes from amnesty for 11,000,000 people who came to this country illegally. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:35:16 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More bullshit. They're unskilled, uneducated, and they will not contribute in a meaningful way overall. They will get .gov assistance and never get off it. We've seen this before...hows that working out? Wishful thinking is just that....wishful. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:35:23 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A field in which I expect to see massive growth is the investigation of sex crimes against children. As well as DUI investigation and defense. We're going to get more of what we've already got. OP got high on his own supply. Nothing good comes from amnesty for 11,000,000 people who came to this country illegally. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:37:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, maybe you should be asking yourself that question and the reasons behind it. Guess who was hustling to shovel snow in my Mom's neighborhood when we had a a bit over a foot of snow a month back.....Hispanic kids. There are no fewer "American" kids around than when I was a kid shoveling snow, hell there are more of them but the ones around now are just too sorry to do any work. You best wake up to the fact that Hispanics earn their wages and are increasingly the go to people if you need something done on the manual labor side of things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When I was a kid, landscapers were kids on summer vacation. Now...? Yeah, maybe you should be asking yourself that question and the reasons behind it. Guess who was hustling to shovel snow in my Mom's neighborhood when we had a a bit over a foot of snow a month back.....Hispanic kids. There are no fewer "American" kids around than when I was a kid shoveling snow, hell there are more of them but the ones around now are just too sorry to do any work. You best wake up to the fact that Hispanics earn their wages and are increasingly the go to people if you need something done on the manual labor side of things. Because illegal immigration destroyed the labor market. English speaking Americans cannot get hired for many of the jobs they used to do in large part because the Hispanics working those jobs will not accept them. Tribalism rules for lower wage jobs but the threshold moves upwards every year. H1B and amnesty means that the labor market becomes much weaker for US Citizens while becoming much stronger for foreigners and those able to partake in cultural and racial preference - of which whites are not allowed. This is going to be a disaster. No fart huffing silver lining is going to assuage the pain. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:39:59 AM EDT
[#12]
For years on this board it's always been "I know this one Mexican gun owning conservative therefore they're all cool".
Never mind the overwhelming statistics that they vote for Democrats by a large margin. Also hilarious is people trotting out the jobs American's won't do. In the midwest you see plenty of white people cutting lawns and they do pretty well at it. Also see plenty of white roofers. Just because you live in some illegal alien infested area that has driven down wages doesn't mean everywhere is like that. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:40:34 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A field in which I expect to see massive growth is the investigation of sex crimes against children. As well as DUI investigation and defense. We're going to get more of what we've already got. OP got high on his own supply. Nothing good comes from amnesty for 11,000,000 people who came to this country illegally. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:41:41 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For years on this board it's always been "I know this one Mexican gun owning conservative therefore they're all cool". "They're natural conservatives because they go to church" |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:42:48 AM EDT
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Boomercon logic thread
Immigrants strengthen our country but not their own? America is an idea but they have to come here to learn it? There are lots of good hardworking freedom loving immigrants except for the 90% who vote against the Bill of Rights, vote for massive government programs, and silo themselves to exert their political preference at the local level. The United States has had an excess of immigration for 50 years. We don't need more, we need to stop, assimilate what we've got and then slowly start back up in 20-30 years. No party has the will to do this. Pat Buchanan was right. We're done and dusted. Learn Spanish, learn how to benefit from mordida, and mentally prepare yourself for the country looking as bizarre to you in 15 years as it would today to someone from 2005. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:45:28 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like TX and FL? Yeah, Miami is a conservative bastion. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:46:24 AM EDT
[#17]
Among many of Reagan’s domestic failures was amnesty for illegals. Three or four generations later, how has that worked out?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:46:47 AM EDT
[#18]
My maternal family is from Venezuela. Italians by lineage but I don't know how they ended up in South America.
Most of my aunts and uncles lived the majority of their lives in the USA. Only my oldest uncle remained in South America until around 2015-2016. He had his guns taken under Maduro and all that. He's a chemical engineer and got his degree in the UK - so while he lived in Maracaibo, he was frequently in Houston. He is not the greatest with women, however and has married 5 or 6 times. His present wife (which seems to have finally been the right one for him) was allllllllll about that socialism shit. From the late 2000s to around 2016 there was no convincing her it was bad. Even though my uncle was a high income earner. Nope, she didn't see the error of that style until the very end of it. People looking for valuable metals in the open sewers. People being robbed for the mangos that grow in their back yards. Only then did she decide it might not be so swell. Since my uncle was a dual citizen, guess where they came to? Straight up abandoned his house and move to Houston. That's the level of cognitive dissonance we're going to see. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:48:54 AM EDT
[#19]
My Mexican BILs and SILs are more conservative than my own commie sisters.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:49:06 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha! Given the body of work repressing our freedoms by "our" culture over the last 20 years I'd not be looking down my nose at the "warts" of others....Just sayin'.  Instead of some ambiguous comment...specify what you mean. This white boy is not a problem. While I am not part of the Greatest Generation, I am not any part of your culture issue. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:49:14 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there any non-white, non-European, group that doesn't vote majority Dem? No 3rd World immigration (legal or illegal) benefits our side in any way They "'do the jobs Americans won't" because those jobs pay shit wages... and those jobs pay shit wages because the presence of 3rd Worlders drives the wages for those jobs down. (Something to consider... how many Americans would be will willing to clean public toilets for living? Now, how many would be willing to do it if it paid $1000 an hour? There is no such thing as a job "people won't do.") |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:49:34 AM EDT
[#22]
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/23/ann-coulter-we-too-can-be-a-failed-latin-american-state/
The left’s enthusiasm for Third World immigrants isn’t only because they vote 8-2 for the Democrats. It’s that Latin American peasants seem uniquely amenable to idiotic socialist schemes. Democrats: We need some of that Latin American magic! Twenty years ago, 60 percent of Venezuelans had regular access to safe drinking water. Today, only 30 percent do. How did this happen? Answer: Poor Venezuelans voted for it. If we let them in, they’ll vote for it here, too. (Except 20 percent, who will be patriotic Americans, i.e. Republicans.) |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:50:25 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden immigration package to offer 11 million immigrants pathway to citizenship Once America has collapsed under the Cloward-Piven weight their North American Union can move forward. That. also welcome more MS13, diseases that are drug resistant, virtually uneducated people. People who can work under one false identity or under the table and collect benefits under another. Another huge drain. Millions more on the dole. Perfect Democrats (communists). One thing I see consistent from uneducated poor people from third world shit holes? They all embrace communism as they see it as fairness getting stuff that someone else has. They will vote for that every time and the politician who gives it to him will always be on another much higher plateau. Meanwhile we curb legal immigration from countries of educated persons who can carry their own weight. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:50:37 AM EDT
[#24]
The vote of any right of center thinking Hispanic will be made moot once the Bobble-head and just enough RINO whores (think Rubio) sell out America an given amnesty to 25-30 million illegals and as well as an untold number of refugees who should have been kicked out it.
The laws that will be passed in this next congress will never be repealed. Face it the experiment known as America is rapidly coming to an end. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:52:00 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I work for a landscape company that does prevailing wage work (union pay, non-union work place). Our lead guys make over close to $50/hr in total wage/benefits/retirement/medical, and out tenders make around $25/hr. That is a lot of damn money for what type of work it is. We have about 50 guys in the field, and 2 of them are white. The rest are all Hispanic. The problem is, people think certain jobs are beneath them. Everyone thinks they should start out at the top of the payscale and not have to work their way up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there any non-white, non-European, group that doesn't vote majority Dem? No 3rd World immigration (legal or illegal) benefits our side in any way They "'do the jobs Americans won't" because those jobs pay shit wages... and those jobs pay shit wages because the presence of 3rd Worlders drives the wages for those jobs down. (Something to consider... how many Americans would be will willing to clean public toilets for living? Now, how many would be willing to do it if it paid $1000 an hour? There is no such thing as a job "people won't do.") Your company pays landscape tenders $50,000+ a year? In Arizona? 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:53:18 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, maybe you should be asking yourself that question and the reasons behind it. Guess who was hustling to shovel snow in my Mom's neighborhood when we had a a bit over a foot of snow a month back.....Hispanic kids. There are no fewer "American" kids around than when I was a kid shoveling snow, hell there are more of them but the ones around now are just too sorry to do any work. You best wake up to the fact that Hispanics earn their wages and are increasingly the go to people if you need something done on the manual labor side of things. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:53:43 AM EDT
[#27]
are people really still trotting out that at least they'll do jobs americans won't? we are in trouble.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:55:12 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your company pays landscape tenders $50,000+ a year? In Arizona? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:56:22 AM EDT
[#29]
I work with a fella from Argentina who became a legal citizen last year. Honestly, the guy busted his ass by studying, landing major certifications and getting an AAS in computer engineering before he became a citizen. He said he felt that he needs to be able to contribute and be of value to the work force if he is to become a citizen. He did shit 100% correct, did everything necessary and he and his son are now permanent residents. His son said he wants to join the Navy to repay his citizenship and feels it should be necessary for men his age if they want to become a citizen. Now, their stance on illegals is rather strong, mostly because people hear his accent and think he is an "illegal Mexican" or "boarder hopper". I have to say he has some colorful terms to use for those in the caravans. As far as an employee, he has been excellent and promoted twice since we hired him full time after he became a citizen.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:58:01 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden immigration package to offer 11 million immigrants pathway to citizenship Once America has collapsed under the Cloward-Piven weight their North American Union can move forward. no no try your republican friends at the US Chamber of Commerce These folks will sell their own mothers into prostitution for the right price. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:58:30 AM EDT
[#31]
Accept government corruption as a fact of life, and perpetuate it when elected?
Kharn |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:58:36 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing I see consistent from uneducated poor people from third world shit holes? They all embrace communism as they see it as fairness getting stuff that someone else has. They will vote for that every time and the politician who gives it to him will always be on another much higher plateau. Meanwhile we curb legal immigration from countries of educated persons who can carry their own weight. When they fail, the Dems claim it's because America is so racist and flawed, and they're right there to "help"... with our money. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:59:35 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Corrupt government maybe? I really don’t know, there’s a good many immigrants around here year round and thousands of them during the growing season. There’s a few I run into pretty regularly but, I don’t know them personally however most of them seem to be hard working folks that are nice enough but a little stand-offish. The thing that always amazes me is how hard and fast those people work. It seems like they’re in continuous motion. Illegal immigration is still a problem though and my opinion is leaving it unchecked is a bad idea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: if these people are so great. why are the places theyre coming from such shitholes? and how is that different from here? Corrupt government maybe? I really don’t know, there’s a good many immigrants around here year round and thousands of them during the growing season. There’s a few I run into pretty regularly but, I don’t know them personally however most of them seem to be hard working folks that are nice enough but a little stand-offish. The thing that always amazes me is how hard and fast those people work. It seems like they’re in continuous motion. Illegal immigration is still a problem though and my opinion is leaving it unchecked is a bad idea. My guess is one works hard when the other option is to be as bad as some American worker, get fired or laid off and your working papers are now not holding you here. You are eligible to be sent home. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:02:47 PM EDT
[#34]
Unfortunately Latin America is not sending us their best and brightest.
Any American with a brain and $250,000 is now deciding what country they will move to as the US slides into Venezuela-land. I'm thinking Mexico may not be a terrible place to move to. Eastern Europe and SE Asia and parts of the Gulf also look promising. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:03:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Flipping the hispanic vote against the dems would be one of the biggest political coups of all times for the R's. I can't see them doing it though. The only way to do it is to promise even bigger handouts than the Dems promise. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:04:44 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "They're natural conservatives because they go to church" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For years on this board it's always been "I know this one Mexican gun owning conservative therefore they're all cool". "They're natural conservatives because they go to church" I question if the church is conservative anymore. They have been ringing the socialist bell since my youth in the seventies. The catholic charities immigration money maker is not helping the country. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:06:19 PM EDT
[#37]
You want these new Americans to not vote D.?
The ground game has to pick up, as in knocking on doors while speaking Spanish. Ad buys on Spanish speaking radio. Yes radio is still huge in the Hispanic immigrant population. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:07:05 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You want these new Americans to not vote D.? The ground game has to pick up, as in knocking on doors while speaking Spanish. Ad buys on Spanish speaking radio. Yes radio is still huge in the Hispanic immigrant population. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:07:48 PM EDT
[#39]
Just look at demographic maps and voting maps in TX. Amazingly, the border areas are really blue! I wonder why that would be, despite their largely rural spread being indicative of republican voting patterns pretty much everywhere else...
Quoted: You want these new Americans to not vote D.? The ground game has to pick up, as in knocking on doors while speaking Spanish. Ad buys on Spanish speaking radio. Yes radio is still huge in the Hispanic immigrant population. This is stupid logic overall when they don't want what those aligned with the culture that made this country great want. It's like when republicans "reach out" the the black community by advertising affirmative action reforms, more welfare, and being soft on crime. We really won that one! (Side note: they'll still vote blue) |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:07:54 PM EDT
[#40]
It’s a bullshit narrative, don’t fall for it.
While the parents and older illegals MIGHT be anti leftist, they will still take the cheese and their MANY children will be good leftists and live off of it, and so will their MANY children and so on, and so on........and they will vote for whoever promises more cheese. The immigrant ideal to become an American is long gone, from a bygone era. Today they aren’t looking for freedom and opportunity, they’re looking for free healthcare, free food, free everything and they know they don’t have to work for it, just learn to play the game. No, these are not the immigrants anyone wants. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:08:08 PM EDT
[#41]
Millions of largely uneducated, non-English speaking, impoverished, unskilled migrants will usher in a new, massive government dependency class that will loyally vote for the left.
Think there are jobs for these people? What do you think millions of uneducated, non-English speaking, impoverished, unskilled migrants who show up with little more than the clothes on their backs will do once here (besides crank out kids like vending machines)? They'll be entirely dependent on government assistance and we'll pay for it in a whole host of categories. Then they'll be nationalized. They will assure an unchallengeable leftist government for generations. This is a play for multigenerational power and there is every reason to believe it'll work. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:10:32 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Millions of largely uneducated, non-English speaking, impoverished, unskilled migrants will usher in a new, massive government dependency class that will loyally vote for the left. Think there are jobs for these people? What do you think millions of uneducated, non-English speaking, impoverished, unskilled migrants who show up with little more than the clothes on there backs will do once here? They'll be entirely dependent on government assistance and we'll pay for it in a while host of categories. They will assure an unchallengeable leftist government for generations. Period. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:13:49 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. Importing from populations where sub-90 IQs are the rule rather than the exception ends badly for everyone but the Dems. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Millions of largely uneducated, non-English speaking, impoverished, unskilled migrants will usher in a new, massive government dependency class that will loyally vote for the left. Think there are jobs for these people? What do you think millions of uneducated, non-English speaking, impoverished, unskilled migrants who show up with little more than the clothes on there backs will do once here? They'll be entirely dependent on government assistance and we'll pay for it in a while host of categories. They will assure an unchallengeable leftist government for generations. Period. I never mentioned race. Reality and history dictates where most will come from, not me. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:16:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never mentioned race. Reality and history dictates where most will come from, not me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Millions of largely uneducated, non-English speaking, impoverished, unskilled migrants will usher in a new, massive government dependency class that will loyally vote for the left. Think there are jobs for these people? What do you think millions of uneducated, non-English speaking, impoverished, unskilled migrants who show up with little more than the clothes on there backs will do once here? They'll be entirely dependent on government assistance and we'll pay for it in a while host of categories. They will assure an unchallengeable leftist government for generations. Period. I never mentioned race. Reality and history dictates where most will come from, not me. When this debate comes up, it always seems to seen through the lens of race and ethnicity. Meanwhile, that's really not what's important. It's a question of intelligence and economics. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:16:57 PM EDT
[#45]
Look for the left's attitude to change regarding any future immigrants. The left has figured out they don't actually need voters anymore. And the career politicians on the "Right" have shown that they won't fight back.
Don't get me wrong, these poor people still have their usefulness (as all poor do) to the ruling class, but are not as important any longer... |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:19:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No illegals to distort the market, wages go up until they reach a point where someone will take the job. Amazing how people can not grasp this. Simply supply and demand. More cheap Mexican labor means more supply and salaries decrease. To the 50K a year lawn care example guy. The people who cut grass in the midwest are white. Living in AZ with tons of available Mexican labor has distorted the wages and your reality. It's 40 to 50 dollars a cut here and the dudes drive really nice trucks. So yes White Americans will cut grass you don't need to bring in immigrants to cut grass. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:21:47 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Having lived in Latin America you can add. - A natural distrust of Government - A rejection of the LGBQTI narrative - A willingness to not comply with laws they find unjust Especially that whole don't cross our border without permission thing. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:26:00 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just look at demographic maps and voting maps in TX. Amazingly, the border areas are really blue! I wonder why that would be, despite their largely rural spread being indicative of republican voting patterns pretty much everywhere else... Worth pointing out though that many of those border counties swung hard towards Trump in 2020 (still blue, but a lot of them went ~55-45 after going in the ballpark of 85-15 in 2016). Whether that's sustainable without Trump himself, we'll see. A lot of his...shall we say personality aspects...that make the urban affluent white bubble dwellers hate him are pretty appealing to first generation Latinos, especially men. I don't know what the answer is other than that we do need to try to win Hispanics over to our side. Doing so is a plus for us, regardless of how many or few new ones come in every year (and contrary to the leftist narrative supporting open borders isn't what will win them over). Also important to actively put resources into Puerto Rico starting now--almost wonder if Trump and the GOP shouldn't have flipped the script and offered them statehood back in 2017. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:27:50 PM EDT
[#49]
Ask New York how that worked out for them, OP.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:28:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They "'do the jobs Americans won't" because those jobs pay shit wages... and those jobs pay shit wages because the presence of 3rd Worlders drives the wages for those jobs down. Quote HistoryQuoted: They "'do the jobs Americans won't" because those jobs pay shit wages... and those jobs pay shit wages because the presence of 3rd Worlders drives the wages for those jobs down. Nailed it. I’ve explained this economic law of supply and demand to family and acquaintances that spew that the no human is illegal bullshit. It’s been discussed enough at family events that it isn’t that they don’t understand, they don’t want to admit that they’re wrong. Quoted: As far as Mexicans only doing jobs Americans won't, look at HGTV home renovation shows and you will see that many trades are done by Mexicans. Those are decent, probably well paying jobs somehow taken by illegals. My mothers husband is a completely brainwashed, retired, union drone. When they were building a new house he hired Mexicans to do the roof and drywall in the basement because they were cheaper. He looked like his head was going explode when I pointed out the irony, the only response he could come up with was I was racist 
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