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Approximately 1,000,000 babies are MURDERED each year in in the U.S. alone.
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Quoted: 55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated. Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer. Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city? This is not news. View Quote There's something to it having 10x the anaphylactic reactions the flu shot has. In your example of 10 million, I don't know that all vaccine related deaths are being reported. I'm betting many are just being chalked up as covid deaths to justify the need for more vaccines. Y'all have a lot more trust in the .gov and big pharma than I do. |
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Quoted: Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies. View Quote At first I read "anaphylaxis" as "asparagus." It was a lot funnier that way. |
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Quoted: There's something to it having 10x the anaphylactic reactions the flu shot has. In your example of 10 million, I don't know that all vaccine related deaths are being reported. I'm betting many are just being chalked up as covid deaths to justify the need for more vaccines. Y'all have a lot more trust in the .gov and big pharma than I do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated. Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer. Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city? This is not news. There's something to it having 10x the anaphylactic reactions the flu shot has. In your example of 10 million, I don't know that all vaccine related deaths are being reported. I'm betting many are just being chalked up as covid deaths to justify the need for more vaccines. Y'all have a lot more trust in the .gov and big pharma than I do. No. It’s trust in mathematics. They are targeting the elderly and most vulnerable for vaccination first. The very group of people who already have a much higher mortality rate. We would therefore expect more of these people to die with or without the vaccine regardless. Whether they died with the vaccine, or because of it, is the unanswered question. Either way, the mortality rate quoted is statistically insignificant in terms of drawing any conclusions at this stage. |
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If the Covid shot is so great and wonderful, why are so many healthcare providers refusing to take it? What do they know that isn't being told to us?
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Quoted: Per Bloomberg. But not per Epoch Times. The denominator wouldn't suit their agenda. In case anyone had any doubt about that "news" paper. FWIW, over 3,377 reported COVID deaths yesterday. Oh, I can already see it. "Did they die of COVID or did they die with COVID?" Anyone who asks that about the reported COVID deaths, but not the 55 dead per the Epoch Times article, has forfeited all claim to worthwhile engagement. View Quote I've just started putting anyone that uses the terms "face diaper" or "vaxscheme" on Ignore. It makes reading these threads much more pleasant and, oddly enough, I haven't noted a diminishing of meaningful content. Personally, I would prefer to consign them to The Hell Of Unoriginal Thinkers Who Pretended To Comb Their Hair In Mirrored Sunglasses, but that would just get me labeled as a Boomer who is old enough to remember mirrored sunglasses. |
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Quoted: If the Covid shot is so great and wonderful, why are so many healthcare providers refusing to take it? What do they know that isn't being told to us? View Quote There's a hospital that I occasionally pass by. If I happen to drive by at break time I'm always amazed at the herds of nurses who are standing outside, smoking. I wouldn't really recommend using "what healthcare providers would or wouldn't do" as your touchstone of rational, intelligent behavior. |
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Quoted: No. It’s trust in mathematics. They are targeting the elderly and most vulnerable for vaccination first. The very group of people who already have a much higher mortality rate. We would therefore expect more of these people to do with or without the vaccine regardless. Whether they died with the vaccine, or because of it, is the unanswered question. Either way, the mortality rate is statistically insignificant in terms of drawing any conclusions at this stage. View Quote Don't confuse mathematics with statistics. One is solid and the other is hand-wavey bullshit. |
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Quoted: Don't confuse mathematics with statistics. One is solid and the other is hand-wavey bullshit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No. It’s trust in mathematics. They are targeting the elderly and most vulnerable for vaccination first. The very group of people who already have a much higher mortality rate. We would therefore expect more of these people to do with or without the vaccine regardless. Whether they died with the vaccine, or because of it, is the unanswered question. Either way, the mortality rate is statistically insignificant in terms of drawing any conclusions at this stage. Don't confuse mathematics with statistics. One is solid and the other is hand-wavey bullshit. Yep. |
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Quoted: 55 People Died in US After Receiving COVID-19 Vaccines Fifty-five people in the United States have died after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, according to reports submitted to a federal system. Deaths have occurred among people receiving both the Moderna and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, according to the reports. The reporting system, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), is a federal database. The system is passive, meaning reports aren't automatically collected and must be filed. VAERS reports can be filed by anyone, including health care providers, patients, or family members. VAERS reports "often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors," according to the reporting system's website. Still, reports on VAERS represent "only a small fraction of actual adverse events," the site states, though underreporting is believed to be less common for serious events. In some cases, patients died within days of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine. One man, a 66-year-old senior home resident in Colorado, was sleepy and stayed in bed a day after getting Moderna's vaccine. Early the next morning, on Christmas Day, the resident "was observed in bed lying still, pale, eyes half open and foam coming from mouth and unresponsive," the VAERS report states. "He was not breathing and with no pulse." In another case, a 93-year-old South Dakota man was injected with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Jan. 4 around 11 a.m. About two hours later, he said he was tired and couldn't continue with the physical therapy he was doing any longer. He was taken back to his room, where he said his legs felt heavy. Soon after, he stopped breathing. A nurse declared a do-not-resuscitate order. Moderna and Pfizer didn't respond to requests for comment. Abigail Capobianco, a spokeswoman for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), told The Epoch Times via email, "Any reports of death following the administration of vaccines are promptly and rigorously investigated jointly by FDA" and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Officials at the agencies work with health care providers to obtain medical histories and clinical follow-up information and conduct a clinical case review, she said, adding, "It is important to note that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused an adverse event." Health officials on the VAERS website caution that a report to the system doesn't prove a vaccine caused the adverse event, and that no proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for the system to accept the report. In addition to the deaths, people have reported 96 life-threatening events following COVID-19 vaccinations, as well as 24 permanent disabilities, 225 hospitalizations, and 1,388 emergency room visits. COVID-19 is the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus. Neither the CDC nor the FDA has a central database of reported adverse events. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said on Jan. 6 that severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines were happening at a rate of 11.1 per million vaccinations, compared to the rate of 1.3 per 1 million flu shots. As of Jan. 15, 10.5 million Americans have received a COVID-19 vaccine. Federal health officials have said that adverse events are being investigated but that the vaccines are still safe to get. "These are safe and effective vaccines. We have good data to show that," Messonnier said. One death following a vaccination attracted attention earlier this week. Gregory Michael, a 56-year-old medical worker at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami, Florida, was injected on Dec. 18, 2020. Sixteen days later, he died. Michael's wife Heidi Neckelmann said on Facebook that her husband was "very healthy" before being vaccinated. She said he was admitted to an intensive care unit with a diagnosis of acute idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, a blood disorder, caused by a reaction to the vaccine. He eventually passed away. "He was a pro-vaccine advocate, that is why he got it himself," Neckelmann wrote. "I believe that people should be aware that side effects can happen, that it is not good for everyone and in this case destroyed a beautiful life, a perfect family, and has affected so many people in the community. Do not let his death be in vain, please save more lives by making this information news." Pfizer told news outlets in a statement that no evidence currently shows a link between the death and its vaccine. "Pfizer and BioNTech are aware of the death of a health care professional 16 days after receiving a first dose of BNT162b2," Pfizer said in a statement. "It is a highly unusual clinical case of severe thrombocytopenia, a condition that decreases the body's ability to clot blood and stop internal bleeding." "We are actively investigating this case, but we don't believe at this time that there is any direct connection to the vaccine," the company added. "There have been no related safety signals identified in our clinical trials, the post-marketing experience thus far, or with the mRNA vaccine platform. To date, millions of people have been vaccinated and we are closely monitoring all adverse events in individuals receiving our vaccine. It is important to note that serious adverse events, including deaths that are unrelated to the vaccine, are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population." A Pfizer spokesperson told The Epoch Times via email earlier this month that the company "closely monitor[s] all reports following vaccination." Moderna hasn't responded to requests for comment on its involvement in monitoring serious adverse events in people who get its vaccine. The updated VAERS data came after Norway changed its COVID-19 vaccination guide to direct officials not to give "very frail" people one of the vaccines, citing 13 deaths among people who were vaccinated. View Quote So? Millions have not. |
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Quoted: Wait! Aren't you a Brit? I was just thinking that I've never heard a Brit say "Yep" before and I noticed your USA tag. How far behind the times am I??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yep. Wait! Aren't you a Brit? I was just thinking that I've never heard a Brit say "Yep" before and I noticed your USA tag. How far behind the times am I??? Britbong at yer service, me ol’ Mate. Bit of an experiement. Seem to get far less hostility with an American flag. Britbong Union Flag seems to be a trigger for some and stimulates disproportionate tangential distraction from original point of Discussion. |
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I would like to thank all of the anti-vaxxers who have contributed to highly entertaining thread.
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Are you telling me elderly disease ridden people with shitty immune systems can die after receiving a vaccination that taxes the immune system pretty significantly or die of something else while their immune system is already getting its ass kicked? Crazy!
Also, around 70 children under ten die per year, one every five days, per a John's Hopkins University study (I know, not nearly as reliable as Epoch Times) due to food related asphyxiation, 17% of those from hot dogs alone. Do we stop feeding kids? Write crazy conspiracies that the government or big scrap meat want to off kids? Ban hot dogs, completely? Or, and this is going to sound nutty, do we warn people of the dangers and let them decide for themselves? |
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Quoted: Are you telling me elderly disease ridden people with shitty immune systems can die after receiving a vaccination that taxes the immune system pretty significantly or die of something else while their immune system is already getting its ass kicked? Crazy! Also, around 70 children under ten die per year due to hot dog asphyxiation. Do we stop giving them to kids? Write crazy conspiracies that the government or big scrap meat want to off kids? Ban hot dogs completely? Or, and this is going to sound nutty, warn people of the dangers and let them decide for themselves? View Quote "More than 10,000 children under 14 go to the emergency room each year after choking on food, and up to 77 die, says the new policy statement, published online today in Pediatrics. About 17% of food-related asphyxiations are caused by hot dogs." 13 does not equal 70. But, feel free to keep Pushing Back Against Big Weiners, if that's what you enjoy. |
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out of how many vaccinations? There's always gonna be a percentage...
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Quoted: View Quote Fixed, but thats even worse! The government is trying to kill us by pushing the food pyramid and MyPlate! I knew that Michelle Obama was up to no good! J/k either way, statistically insignificant in the grand scheme of things. In this case, it's like saying xx amount of kids, most with swallowing difficulties, asphyxiated on hot dogs. There is a risk, that risk is higher if you are elderly, frail, and or sick. |
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Quoted: I'll bet the number is way higher than 55. I personally know someone who died 5 days after receiving the vaccine . Was fine up until the shot . Ask yourself how much truth has been told to us since the whole covid shitshow began ? View Quote Lucky for me, I fall into the phase that will be one of the very last to be eligible. I'll wait... |
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Quoted: Yeah, I don't see anything that proves the vaccine did it. It might have played a role, or maybe not. Correlation is not necessarily causation. We'd need more info. View Quote Agree 100%. This is no better than the corona pushers saying grandma that died of a heart attack died of Carina. |
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An exponentially higher number of people died just yesterday after eating breakfast. Breakfast kills.
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Quoted: Because they aren't deploying the vaccine to those groups just yet, but 'healthy' medical personnel, unless I'm mistaken. Still an insignificant number. How many are killed or crippled by flu shots each year? It sure ain't zero, but it's close enough to zero. View Quote You are mistaken. The original plan play out was nursing home patients and medical personnel. Many states like Texas just went straight to any one over age 65. |
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Quoted: I had both shots and haven’t died (Pfizer). A day after the 2nd shot, I had a 99.5 fever, muscle aches, and chills that lasted about 3 hours. Nothing since. View Quote I got a vaccination for something (I forgot) a few years ago. My lips turned blue, I was shivering cold in the hot southern august heat and though I was going to die. |
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View Quote Ok, I'm holding off on getting this vaccination. Thanks for the link. |
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Quoted: I would have assumed it might be higher. 1 in a thousand. The rules for getting a vaccination is that very old people get the shot sooner than most people. The elderly ain't far from death anyhow. If you're 90 years old and take the shot you might die. If you're 90 years old and catch covid you will die. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 55 deaths, 10 million vaccinated. Somebody do the math for me - because the phrase “statistically zero” is my answer. Imagine a city of 10 million people. How many people die each day in that city? This is not news. I would have assumed it might be higher. 1 in a thousand. The rules for getting a vaccination is that very old people get the shot sooner than most people. The elderly ain't far from death anyhow. If you're 90 years old and take the shot you might die. If you're 90 years old and catch covid you will die. My 96 year old patient who came into the ER (for GU issues) last night disagrees with you. He recovered from covid 3 months ago with nothing more then sinus congestion, brief low-grade fever, and a frontal headache. He joked about being 96 and still kicking commie ass (was a Korean War vet). Now, if you said increased chance of dying then yeah, I’d agree. |
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Quoted: You are not wrong but if one of the 55 had been your parent, wife or child I have to wonder if you would have made that comment. View Quote This is the exact same logic and reasoning the Covid doomer democrats have used to instigate crippling shut downs. 55 out of ten million. Every. Single. Medicine. is a hedge that the positive effects outway the side effects and negatives of the underlying condition. What's the deaths per million infected of Covid? |
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They ain’t going to give people something that makes a large portion drop dead, that’s too obvious. You’ll probably just be sterile, or get cancer or some debilitating neurological condition in a few years. The human body is resilient, though. Best wishes to those who get it.
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Quoted: They ain't going to give people something that makes a large portion drop dead, that's too obvious. You'll probably just be sterile, or get cancer or some debilitating neurological condition in a few years. The human body is resilient, though. Best wishes to those who get it. View Quote Are you referring to the virus, or the vaccines here? |
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The vaccines have been out for a month. Each day, approximately 7,700 people die in the US. That’s roughly 230,000 people have died in the US since the vaccine has been released.
So what does that mean? People fucking die every day. That’s it. They’ve been dying every day before COVID, they’ve been dying every day since the vaccine, they’re gonna keep dying every day. 7,700 out of 330,000,000 die every day. That’s .000023 of the US population dies every day. Now supposedly 55 out of 12,000,000 people vaccinated have died. Thats .0000046. Over a month. There’s defiantly a difference in those death rates, but it’s not indicating the vaccine is causing death beyond the normal rate; to the contrary actually. |
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Quoted: If the Covid shot is so great and wonderful, why are so many healthcare providers refusing to take it? What do they know that isn't being told to us? View Quote |
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FluBros then: “Old people were going to die anyway. That’s what old people do...”
FluBros now: “Old people are dying from the vaccine!” |
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Quoted: You are mistaken. The original plan play out was nursing home patients and medical personnel. Many states like Texas just went straight to any one over age 65. View Quote 1B in Texas is over 65 and people who are younger than 65 with conditions that make them vulnerable. |
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Quoted: FluBros then: "Old people were going to die anyway. That's what old people do..." FluBros now: "Old people are dying from the vaccine!" View Quote |
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Quoted: If the Covid shot is so great and wonderful, why are so many healthcare providers refusing to take it? What do they know that isn't being told to us? View Quote Most of the people in healthcare who aren't taking it are nurses or administration with no background in genetics. But they'll gladly sell you some essential oils to protect you from the virus. That should be a clue regarding how much their vaccine refusal actually matters. |
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As a side note, using current CDC numbers the death rate is 1.67% . The 99.7% to 99.9% survival rate narrative is false.
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Quoted: I've just started putting anyone that uses the terms "face diaper" or "vaxscheme" on Ignore. It makes reading these threads much more pleasant and, oddly enough, I haven't noted a diminishing of meaningful content. Personally, I would prefer to consign them to The Hell Of Unoriginal Thinkers Who Pretended To Comb Their Hair In Mirrored Sunglasses, but that would just get me labeled as a Boomer who is old enough to remember mirrored sunglasses. View Quote |
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“They” told us 100m people would be vaccinated by the end of Jan.
The ineptness of local governments administering the vaccine combined with complete horseshit from the internet (bonjour) is a perfect storm to prolongate this insanity. “They” will absolutely stretch this well into 2022 and perhaps 2023...and by that time many fucktards will simply accept masks as a norm. They are here forever unless we simply say no more... |
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