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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:45:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's always great hearing how some obscure very homogenous Europe socialist country with a population smaller than fuckin Massachusetts as a reason why things will work here. Make eating out more expensive than people think it's worth and the industry suffers. Simple. Fewer people means the cost becomes even higher for those still willing to go out. Wrong...You have no idea what you're talking about. I cite a real world example and you just make shit up. 
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:48:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems to me we don't need a new minimum wage, we need grown ups to accept that a part time after school job is just that. Should 14 year olds bagging groceries make enough to cover rent, groceries, donk and wheel payments and big sacks of weed? Agreed. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:55:47 AM EDT
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If they make $15 an hour everyone that is above that essentially for a pay cut because the value of the dollar will go in the toilet.
Dems aren't trying to bring the poor up, they are trying to bring the boys poor down. They knew the majority of people are to stupid to realize that raising minimum wage drives up costs of everything minimum wage workers do and the little that pay those costs are the consumers. Same with taxes. Raise taxes on businesses and it's not the business that pays the tax, it's the customer that pays it when the business raises it's prices to cover for the tax increase. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:57:24 AM EDT
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I tip if service merits it, having waited tables myself. (Don’t be shitty to waiters or waitresses, they’ll ask the cook to sprinkle cigarette ashes in your omelette.)
3 reasons: 1. Government taxes, including tax on tip. 2. Usually that tip gets cut to give to busboys, dishwasher etc. 3. Are there going to be any restaurants left after all this, or will we all order by robot kiosk like mcdonalds? Pretty college girls need jobs ;) |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:57:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: depends on the service. FPNI. A lot of workers will become complacent and no longer prioritize excellent service now that their wages will be going up. Fuck em. Others will still go the extra mile, and those ones should be rewarded for it, IMO. But yeah, if she’s hot that’s a given. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:59:23 AM EDT
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If the person serving me is getting minimum wage and the service was adequate or below, no.
If the service is above expectations, yes. I kind of thought that's what tipping was: reward for superior service. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:04:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong...You have no idea what you're talking about. I cite a real world example and you just make shit up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's always great hearing how some obscure very homogenous Europe socialist country with a population smaller than fuckin Massachusetts as a reason why things will work here. Make eating out more expensive than people think it's worth and the industry suffers. Simple. Fewer people means the cost becomes even higher for those still willing to go out. Wrong...You have no idea what you're talking about. I cite a real world example and you just make shit up. Real world example of an enlightened "european model" country. They pay a living wage and then the wage earner in Germany gets to pay up to 47.475% income tax AND an up to 19% VAT on anything they buy. A US middle class income person (single) would pay a 42% marginal rate tax in Germany. They can keep their "real world". |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:09:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real world example of an enlightened "european model" country. They pay a living wage and then the wage earner in Germany gets to pay up to 47.475% income tax AND an up to 19% VAT on anything they buy. A US middle class income person (single) would pay a 42% marginal rate tax in Germany. They can keep their "real world". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's always great hearing how some obscure very homogenous Europe socialist country with a population smaller than fuckin Massachusetts as a reason why things will work here. Make eating out more expensive than people think it's worth and the industry suffers. Simple. Fewer people means the cost becomes even higher for those still willing to go out. Wrong...You have no idea what you're talking about. I cite a real world example and you just make shit up. Real world example of an enlightened "european model" country. They pay a living wage and then the wage earner in Germany gets to pay up to 47.475% income tax AND an up to 19% VAT on anything they buy. A US middle class income person (single) would pay a 42% marginal rate tax in Germany. They can keep their "real world". I can understand why you're angry. First, you're in the Army and second, stationed in Germany. They're complete retards there.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:14:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bye click |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:19:41 AM EDT
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There are some folks I know that are long time employees in the restaurant industry. Both have worked for tips during their careers. They told me that they make between $200-$300 a night, and some nights better than that. $200=$300 is $25.00-$37.50 per hour. They feel that a $15.00 per hour minimum wage will screw them over because people will resent the higher minimum wage and tip less or not at all.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:38:31 AM EDT
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NVMD
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:43:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are some folks I know that are long time employees in the restaurant industry. Both have worked for tips during their careers. They told me that they make between $200-$300 a night, and some nights better than that. $200=$300 is $25.00-$37.50 per hour. They feel that a $15.00 per hour minimum wage will screw them over because people will resent the higher minimum wage and tip less or not at all. This, exactly. My son was a waiter at a very upscale restaurant. It was not uncommon for him to go home with $400 on a weekend night, $250 on a weekday night. He said he expects tips to go down drastically when $15 minimum wage hits. He left waiting tables to use his college degree, and while his total income dropped initially, it's much higher now. He's glad he made the jump. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:46:14 AM EDT
[#13]
May your chains rest lightly....
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:47:41 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: depends on the service. Avatar checks out |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:55:11 AM EDT
[#15]
No
The entire reason for tipping was to cover the gap between server pay and minimum wage. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:28:07 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i spent a few years in the service industry, and made quite a bit more than $15/hr in a tipped position. i'd wager this will amount to a pay cut for many in the industry when it's all said and done. Exactly |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:37:27 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are some folks I know that are long time employees in the restaurant industry. Both have worked for tips during their careers. They told me that they make between $200-$300 a night, and some nights better than that. $200=$300 is $25.00-$37.50 per hour. They feel that a $15.00 per hour minimum wage will screw them over because people will resent the higher minimum wage and tip less or not at all. I don't look at it as resent.... there will no longer be a service industry wage vs the rest of the workers so its an even field. Everyone is either salary or hourly, no tips anymore since everyone no makes atleast a "living wage". If people still tipped even 10% they would be making $500 a night. If they do that just three days a week thats $78k a year. Sorry but a waiter job ain't worth that. Especially all of them.... You can't have your cake and eat it to. They wanted equal so they get equal......  ETA, of course there are outliers like super nice restaurants and hot womenz. I'm talking about general restaurants, normal people stuff. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 1:55:12 PM EDT
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We (the collective "we") are royally fucked.
The $15 min. wage is just one dick in a conga line of cocks they are going to use. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:52:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean that in a free market your labor has a certain value compared to other types of labor? Are you trying to insinuate that without draconian pricing controls that inevitably lead to a collapsed economy a job that isn't particularly strenuous and only takes an hour to master isn't as valuable as a job that requires a great deal of exertion or years to master? It seems to me we don't need a new minimum wage, we need grown ups to accept that a part time after school job is just that. Should 14 year olds bagging groceries make enough to cover rent, groceries, donk and wheel payments and big sacks of weed? Dealing weed can easily pay for those other things. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:57:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the person serving me is getting minimum wage and the service was adequate or below, no. If the service is above expectations, yes. I kind of thought that's what tipping was: reward for superior service. Sadly, tipping has become a way to shift the cost of providing an equitable wage to food service workers directly to the consumer. I'm not arguing for a minimum wage. But if the law requires it, why the disparity? Same with farm workers. I've never understood why restaurants are allowed to pay lower minimum wage to their servers than a convenience store owner has to pay his employees. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:05:23 AM EDT
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If waitstaff all go to 15/hr then I will most likely be finished w/ dining out due to the increased costs BUT every day life will increase in cost as well and eventually it will become 'normal' for a family of four to spend 250.00 for an average meal.
'Old' people will say, "That's insane!!!" and young people will say, "Get w/ the times old man. This ain't 2021" Now when the price of every day life increases, those on fixed incomes will be screaming. Seniors will demand bigger SS increases. People will pay more in SS taxes on their paychecks. And people will quickly learn that 15/hr was not the magic potion But what do I know, I'm old'ish (50) 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:08:47 AM EDT
[#22]
I won't be able to eat out with the new highly raised prices, so tipping will be moot
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:16:13 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SOOOOOO, I may be wrong on this. Minimum wage is there for: a new to the market employee to learn learn job skills and better themselves as their knowledge and education increases? Basic platform until one has proved themselves a capable employee. No no no you white mysoginistic supremacist. Minimum wage jobs are meant to support a family of four comfortably. New tv's, air jordans, latest i-phone, newer car. Your statement smacks of white privilege
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:22:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I won't be able to eat out with the new highly raised prices, so tipping will be moot No shit. Instead of once a month it'll become a once a year event, and I'll likely do take-out. Hell while in college I worked as a waitress during the summers and made more than $15/hr then if I hustled. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:31:26 AM EDT
[#25]
Yeah they get a tip.
Plant your corn early. Stay out of dark alleys. Put $2 on Happy Boy in the third race. I will be retiring soon and most likely will not be able to afford to go out to eat much. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:42:39 AM EDT
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Not a fucking chance.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:44:35 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poll assumes I tip to begin with. Tink those that get most of their wages from tips are exempt from minimum wage to begin with. I’m sure they will fix that |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:49:29 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish we would go the European route and just stop fucking tipping |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:56:12 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: depends on the service. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:01:09 AM EDT
[#30]
Make it $1million/yr for everyone. can we just get to the end of this economics lesson?
The poors would completely vanish and we'd all live like rock stars! Right? No? 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:07:39 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: biden's proposal eleminates the $2.13 tipped employee wage. menu prices will skyrocket. Menu prices will not skyrocket. They will probably rise a little, but restaurant owners will just get rid of employees to keep the prices down. Forget about the hot flirty waitress winking at you at your table. She will be so busy she probably wont even look at you. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:15:00 AM EDT
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I would imagie the only folks getting wet about 15 bucks an hour are the fast food joints
this will probably close more eating places because patrons aren't going to pay for expensive mid level food |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:17:50 AM EDT
[#33]
implying the average GDer gave a tip to start with. bold move there.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:18:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Menu prices will not skyrocket. They will probably rise a little, but restaurant owners will just get rid of employees to keep the prices down. Forget about the hot flirty waitress winking at you at your table. She will be so busy she probably wont even look at you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: biden's proposal eleminates the $2.13 tipped employee wage. menu prices will skyrocket. Menu prices will not skyrocket. They will probably rise a little, but restaurant owners will just get rid of employees to keep the prices down. Forget about the hot flirty waitress winking at you at your table. She will be so busy she probably wont even look at you.  Damnit. No more fake attention for a bigger tip?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:51:28 AM EDT
[#35]
Cheap fucks annoy me. I knew a lot of people were cheap asses but most these replies .... Holy fuck. What a bunch of fags. Maybe you losers should just keep eating McD's.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:33:01 AM EDT
[#36]
Most will not be able to afford to eat in restaurants after prices are raised to meet the wages required.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:18:44 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap fucks annoy me. I knew a lot of people were cheap asses but most these replies .... Holy fuck. What a bunch of fags. Maybe you losers should just keep eating McD's. So its cheap to not tip someone making a normal hourly wage? |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:05:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2021 12:05:17 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap fucks annoy me. I knew a lot of people were cheap asses but most these replies .... Holy fuck. What a bunch of fags. Maybe you losers should just keep eating McD's. Thats exactly where the fuck I’ll eat when some self entitled ass-clown demands 15/hr to wait tables as the minimum and then wants me to tip on top. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:03:29 AM EDT
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After all the restaurants shut down last year, I was forced to face the inconvenient truth that I can eat better for less money buying food at grocery stores.
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