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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:50:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They dressed up as natives when they destroyed the king's property. Now, that guy might be a Qtard, but if going by looks, I'm not so sure that's an argument you want to make. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shhhh. Some folks here don't like it when point out that their position would condemn the people that founded this country. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371244/thatwasdifferent-1574084.gif But it's not. Does this look like a modern version of the Founding Fathers to you? https://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/7/1/0/763710.jpg |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:51:41 PM EDT
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Principled conservatism is dead. There is no political power there, and there are no voters there. Either change the rhetoric or continue to be sidelined as the left wins, wins, and wins again. This thread is a preeminent example.
Politically you are now the smelly homeless man ranting on the street corner as taxpayers scurry about their business affecting the real world. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:53:12 PM EDT
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There were several people who responded with "But there was an Antifa guy that started it!!!"
Even IF that was the case, little kids know that "If your buddy jumped off the bridge, would you follow him?" isn't a valid excuse. I can't even wrap may head around that grown adults are using that excuse. "Hey bro, let's storm the Capitol and burn it down". WOULD YOU? Does that sounds reasonable? That's not even taking into consideration that all the other people who have been arrested all have MAGA/QAnon background. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:54:44 PM EDT
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If it was one building was it a riot or a break in by a lot of burglars? When multiple people break in your house they don't call it a riot. Even if they force their way in they just call it a home invasion but not a riot.
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:57:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are known by the company you keep. Old American proverb. Going with this. Have heard this little idiom growing up in the South quite often. Particularly by the Depression era folks that were still around in the '70s when I was a teen. Associate with known commie/socialist shit birds. Be known as a commie/socialist shit birds. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:01:00 PM EDT
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The mistake a lot of you are making is trying to draw some kind of equivalence between the actual acts of violence. I know that a whole summer of rioting doesn't equate to one day of idiocy - that's not the point.
What I was specifically addressing is that SOME people here used violence by the left as an excuse to condemn ALL people on the left and proscribed any and all measures against them (which included putting them in ovens). I warned that using that measuring stick is a problem as it could be used just as easily against our side. Notice I used the qualified "some" because there weren't a bunch of people following that logic. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:02:32 PM EDT
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You tried “principled conservatives” and what happened? Mom Jeans Romney,the least masculine chooser of masculine pronouns in modern Republican history,was accused of being a general in the War on Women. Do you even remember the War on Women? It was about 12 outrages ago so you can be excused for it having slipped your mind. Its hilarious that some of you think you can actually bargain away enough to appease the far left who is driving American society right now. Your 2024 platform could include funding of Planned Parenthood and it won’t be enough because you compromised on only making abortion available on demand to women over 18 rather than all xersons of any age. Go ahead and try though,it will be funny to see the Republicans kneeling in kente cloth 4 years too late. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There were several people who responded with "But there was an Antifa guy that started it!!!" Even IF that was the case, little kids know that "If your buddy jumped off the bridge, would you follow him?" isn't a valid excuse. I can't even wrap may head around that grown adults are using that excuse. "Hey bro, let's storm the Capitol and burn it down". WOULD YOU? Does that sounds reasonable? That's not even taking into consideration that all the other people who have been arrested all have MAGA/QAnon background. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” Sounds like both sides don't want to give their consent to be governed anymore. Whether you think that's reasonable or not is irrelevant. I'm sure there were people that thought stuff was unreasonable in 1861 too. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:03:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do that in life in general, so it fits here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I maintain my original position: Judge each person according to their merit, not necessarily by their association. That is all... I do that in life in general, so it fits here. This |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:03:48 PM EDT
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most of us knew that.
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:11:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Zhukov is wrong. While I can wholely say that violence is not my preferred method of political discourse, Zhukov takes a position founded in idealism and skipping an entire year of the Overton Window being opened up, never mind the last decade. Bush was in office, everyone was retarded warmongers following the monkey-Bush president. Burning the flag was acceptable, but protesting was to remain mostly peaceful. Coverage strictly one sided, few arrested. Obama was in office, everyone who disagreed was racists. Those on the left were standing up for justice, and the "few trouble makers" were quietly dealt with, though mainly with kids gloves. Those on the right were racist trouble makers. Gun owners were racist while filming a black man carrying a rifle, with the zoom fully on the rifle so as not to see the black man carrying it. Trump gets in office, protesting becomes a , "duty and obligation". The coverage of protests are overwhelmingly positive. Media carried hateful messaging to the people in a decidedly one directional matter. A baseball game was shot up by a deranged leftist and that single person,once linked, became 'not what we stand for, SEE LOOK WE SAID WE DON'T CONDOM IT' only to go right back into the political rhetoric. A Supreme Court Justice had a kangaroo court, complete with false accusations getting full prime time coverage without an iota of evidence. But don't worry, the media did their job to insulate the Democrat party members and ensure positive coverage to the left. Fires erupted behind news reporters and Governors surveying damage were forced to flee. Attacks on Trump supporters were normalized. Kidnapping kids was treated like Jaywalking. State AGs ensured that rioters were let out of jail, uncharged. An organized resistance to law and order was formed, complete with phone numbers to lawyers funded by the Vice President and her staff. Hell, we weren't even allowed to ask about protesting for the purpose of COVID tracking. That "normal and acceptable" form of protest was now violence. Violence against the community, the police, and the opposite political side. Murder in the street due to political leaning did not start with the right. On 1/6 the Right walked through the window the Left opened and they were shocked. Only this time it wasn't the local Stop and Rob convenience store being burned. It wasn't the local hair salon being robbed, or the show store, or Best Buy and Walmart. It wasn't the police, white people, or the statues of long dead Americans being hit. The anger, through the window, was directed at a legislature that had investigated ever nose hair on Trump but refused to look at massive voting irregularity. A judicial branch that has seen every "voter suppression" case they could find, but refused to hear last minute changes to State constitutions without the consent of the people. With the anger being directed at them, the minions of Congress got scared and now we see the result. A combined effort to get the serfs in line. BOOM! |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I said; moral relativism. "We're not so different, you and I"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15WbASLQLrgSometimes evil does in fact need it's ass kicked. But I suppose that viewpoint is "evil" to one so enlightened as yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I generally agree with you, however, reality is, the left and the right are not exact mirror opposites of each other. People on the right do denounce unjust violence, even when it's from their own people. People on the left....ehhh, not so much. And leftist violence tends to be done on much weaker justifications than right-wing violence (which until this point consists largely of one hour-long incident). Your general tone, though, calling people to calm down and act better than the left, is admirable. (I still think the left is overwhelmingly pro-communism and represent an existential threat to the nation we thought we lived in) Elitist, intellectual, moral relativists love to pretend the struggle between good and evil is pointless and symmetrical. A position that is extremely self-serving as far as justifying weakness, compromise, and inaction. A position extremely convenient if not essential for very bad people. You see a struggle between good and evil. I see a struggle between evil and evil. Like I said; moral relativism. "We're not so different, you and I" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15WbASLQLrgSometimes evil does in fact need it's ass kicked. But I suppose that viewpoint is "evil" to one so enlightened as yourself. I'm not being "morally relative." I'm being the opposite - morally consistent. I was against political violence this summer, and still am. I was pro-Constitution thus summer, and still am. Changing such stances on a whim, and suddenly being OK with rioting and such because you think those are your kind of people? Well, that is moral relativism. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:14:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know how to respond to the thread. Do I respond to the questions asked in the OP, or do I respond to the fact you started a thread to shout to the world you feel vindicated. Who has been living rent free in your head all this time? +1 What a lame, self-serving, self-adulating thread to post. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:18:20 PM EDT
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it wasnt a riot
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:21:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mistake a lot of you are making is trying to draw some kind of equivalence between the actual acts of violence. I know that a whole summer of rioting doesn't equate to one day of idiocy - that's not the point. What I was specifically addressing is that SOME people here used violence by the left as an excuse to condemn ALL people on the left and proscribed any and all measures against them (which included putting them in ovens). I warned that using that measuring stick is a problem as it could be used just as easily against our side. Notice I used the qualified "some" because there weren't a bunch of people following that logic. You’re missing a lot of points being made here. It wouldn’t matter if MAGA stormed the Capital or farted into the wind. They’d be violent white supremacist NAZI klan members either way. Your “I told you so” really is
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:23:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know how to respond to the thread. Do I respond to the questions asked in the OP, or do I respond to the fact you started a thread to shout to the world you feel vindicated. Who has been living rent free in your head all this time?  Look up the original thread, it was a trainwreck. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:25:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Last summer, I got into several heated debates about the ongoing riots. There were some who stridently argued that ALL people involved in the BLM-type riots were commies, they all should know better, and therefore they were ALL guilty and deserving of the highest punishment, which included throwing them into ovens as one person claimed. I pointed out that using that standard, "our" side could be in real trouble and that I prefer to judge people individually for what they had or hadn't done, not by guilt by association. I was criticized by quite a few, and called a "commie" by several. Now, after the Capitol riots of last week, I wonder how you feel now that the shoe is on the other foot. How many lefties are condemning the entirety of conservatism by the actions of a few misguided QAnons and MAGA types? Are we all Nazis? Should we have known better than to associate with conservatism? Should WE be thrown into ovens? I maintain my original position: Judge each person according to their merit, not necessarily by their association. That is all... I’ve always found “moral equivalence” a rather flawed area of reasoning because, even if on the surface, things seem the same, they quite often are not. For example, I have often heard the reasoning that the Bolsheviks were revolutionaries and the American founding fathers were also revolutionaries so therefore they were the same or equivalent. This is obviously patently false due to many factors. BLM is a self proclaimed Marxist movement with a manifesto that is blatantly Marxist. Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to describe all of the BLM protestors as “commies.” However, the vast majority of Republicans —-as evidenced by zero rioting for decades, tea party to pro-gun rallies—unlike the left are not destructive in political protest. It is thus disingenuous to make parallels between the two. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 What a lame, self-serving, self-adulating thread to post. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t know how to respond to the thread. Do I respond to the questions asked in the OP, or do I respond to the fact you started a thread to shout to the world you feel vindicated. Who has been living rent free in your head all this time? +1 What a lame, self-serving, self-adulating thread to post. Did somebody put him up to this? |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:31:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For describing that severity of a riot? No, there is absolutely no difference. Criminality is a separate issue, but I will say there was 1) less value to be stolen from the Capital, 2) less private property at risk, 3) it's not like there was a "nuke everything" button to guard to the death, or anything It really boils down to really, really, really rude behavior. And most importantly, rude behavior from people expected to be docile lambs, unlike BLM or Antifa. THAT is what was so alarming to congress, and to those in this thread that are so offended. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the Capitol looked like the Target on Lake St in Minneapolis when BLM got done with it, I'd almost buy your shit argument. But there is ZERO fucking moral equivalence between the BLM riots and what happened at the Capitol. Nothing was burned, etc. Some candy ass fucking politicians got scared and shit their pants. Good. You see no difference between a Department store and the seat of the Legislature of the United States while it is in session certiying an election? I mean come the fuck on. Thats not even touching the officer that was killed outside. Neither action is okay, one is vastly worse. For describing that severity of a riot? No, there is absolutely no difference. Criminality is a separate issue, but I will say there was 1) less value to be stolen from the Capital, 2) less private property at risk, 3) it's not like there was a "nuke everything" button to guard to the death, or anything It really boils down to really, really, really rude behavior. And most importantly, rude behavior from people expected to be docile lambs, unlike BLM or Antifa. THAT is what was so alarming to congress, and to those in this thread that are so offended. @barnbwt +1 If it was a Gestapo and NKVD officer being compared, yeah, there aren’t a lot of differences. People equating Trump supporters and Antifa/BLM are morons. 
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:32:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did somebody put him up to this? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know how to respond to the thread. Do I respond to the questions asked in the OP, or do I respond to the fact you started a thread to shout to the world you feel vindicated. Who has been living rent free in your head all this time? +1 What a lame, self-serving, self-adulating thread to post. Did somebody put him up to this? Next thing I know is my family wasn't POWs. 
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:32:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is, you probably think the wrong one was worse. Private property is worth protecting. The public place where evil people meet to carry out evil deeds against us, is worth much less protection, and perhaps shouldn't be protected at all. Perhaps if there was *less* protection for the people therein, while they are working, they'd be less inclined to do so much evil. (I'm not saying 1-6 was right. I'm saying private property, not a government snake den, is more foundational to our peaceful existence as a nation) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You see no difference between a Department store and the seat of the Legislature of the United States while it is in session certiying an election? I mean come the fuck on. Thats not even touching the officer that was killed outside. Neither action is okay, one is vastly worse. The problem is, you probably think the wrong one was worse. Private property is worth protecting. The public place where evil people meet to carry out evil deeds against us, is worth much less protection, and perhaps shouldn't be protected at all. Perhaps if there was *less* protection for the people therein, while they are working, they'd be less inclined to do so much evil. (I'm not saying 1-6 was right. I'm saying private property, not a government snake den, is more foundational to our peaceful existence as a nation) +1 Amen. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Everyone at the capital riots was Antifa.” Or “Only Antifa was causing trouble at the Capitol.” Antifa, et al started it, stoked it and prosecuted it; however, there were right wing "useful idiots" who went along for the ride and served as scapegoats for ALL the blame. What I hate is how the left has now painted ALL those who don't worship at the altar of communism are white supremecists/deplorables and people to be hated. WHEN they spent the entire summer making excuses for their people who were robbing, raping, burning and stealing their way across the United States. They called US racists when we were doing what they are doing, i.e. lumping all them together. I see today that the feds have arrested their "token" communist and now they are free to ignore all the rest of those mostly responsible and arrest not too bright people who took a stroll through the halls of congress. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:39:55 PM EDT
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We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:43:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve always found “moral equivalence” a rather flawed area of reasoning because, even if on the surface, things seem the same, they quite often are not. For example, I have often heard the reasoning that the Bolsheviks were revolutionaries and the American founding fathers were also revolutionaries so therefore they were the same or equivalent. This is obviously patently false due to many factors. BLM is a self proclaimed Marxist movement with a manifesto that is blatantly Marxist. Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to describe all of the BLM protestors as “commies.” However, the vast majority of Republicans —-as evidenced by zero rioting for decades, tea party to pro-gun rallies—unlike the left are not destructive in political protest. It is thus disingenuous to make parallels between the two. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Last summer, I got into several heated debates about the ongoing riots. There were some who stridently argued that ALL people involved in the BLM-type riots were commies, they all should know better, and therefore they were ALL guilty and deserving of the highest punishment, which included throwing them into ovens as one person claimed. I pointed out that using that standard, "our" side could be in real trouble and that I prefer to judge people individually for what they had or hadn't done, not by guilt by association. I was criticized by quite a few, and called a "commie" by several. Now, after the Capitol riots of last week, I wonder how you feel now that the shoe is on the other foot. How many lefties are condemning the entirety of conservatism by the actions of a few misguided QAnons and MAGA types? Are we all Nazis? Should we have known better than to associate with conservatism? Should WE be thrown into ovens? I maintain my original position: Judge each person according to their merit, not necessarily by their association. That is all... I’ve always found “moral equivalence” a rather flawed area of reasoning because, even if on the surface, things seem the same, they quite often are not. For example, I have often heard the reasoning that the Bolsheviks were revolutionaries and the American founding fathers were also revolutionaries so therefore they were the same or equivalent. This is obviously patently false due to many factors. BLM is a self proclaimed Marxist movement with a manifesto that is blatantly Marxist. Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to describe all of the BLM protestors as “commies.” However, the vast majority of Republicans —-as evidenced by zero rioting for decades, tea party to pro-gun rallies—unlike the left are not destructive in political protest. It is thus disingenuous to make parallels between the two. The "vast majority" of Republicans are not QAnon acolytes and were not part of that "event." The rabid supporters of the rhetoric that led to it frequently ridicule and bash the "vast majority" of Republicans. This is a movement that is literally attempting to undermine the Republican party and replace it with leadership with a wholly different ideology, one rooted in a marxist understanding of class conflict the corporate, political, and media works as a bourgeoisie class acting in its own interests against the interests of the workers. That was not the ideology behind the American revolution. It is the ideology spewed in this very thread. All that's missing is recognizing that elites" equals "bourgeoise" and "real Americans" equals "proletariat." So, semantics. The rejection of democratic processes for a preferred dictatorship of said proletariat is clear. What's less clear is why they plan to do with counter-revolutionaries if they had are successful in their revolution. What's less clear is what, if any, moral line exists in people whose rhetoric is that any attempt to hold a moral line makes one a quisling. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:45:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There were several people who responded with "But there was an Antifa guy that started it!!!" Even IF that was the case, little kids know that "If your buddy jumped off the bridge, would you follow him?" isn't a valid excuse. I can't even wrap may head around that grown adults are using that excuse. "Hey bro, let's storm the Capitol and burn it down". WOULD YOU? Does that sounds reasonable? That's not even taking into consideration that all the other people who have been arrested all have MAGA/QAnon background. Well you better start wrapping your head around it, because unrestrained political violence by one side has led to political violence from the other side throughout human history. History could not care less if you think it's childish. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:45:23 PM EDT
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OP getting stomped. Get rekt!
As an aside I haven’t meet very many Europeans, even expat naturalized Europeans, who understand the American citizens have not only right but duty to rebel and confront building and entrenched tyranny. Whatever happened on the 6th was justified, and you see the intentions of the forces at play where instead of opening dialogue and addressing redress they use their tech overlords to silence opinion,depersoning and establish an illegal standing army in Washington to intimidate the citizenry. Submission and order at any cost aren’t worth it at certain points. Bet if you told those students at Tiananmen Square how shit would work out they would have been a bit more proactive when they had the chance.I don’t think we are there but there are already a lot of things to answer for and they are really starting to pick up steam and show no signs of correcting themselves. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mistake a lot of you are making is trying to draw some kind of equivalence between the actual acts of violence. I know that a whole summer of rioting doesn't equate to one day of idiocy - that's not the point. What I was specifically addressing is that SOME people here used violence by the left as an excuse to condemn ALL people on the left and proscribed any and all measures against them (which included putting them in ovens). I warned that using that measuring stick is a problem as it could be used just as easily against our side. Notice I used the qualified "some" because there weren't a bunch of people following that logic. Wow, you’re truly clueless, so your comments actually make sense now. “Turn them all in, America.” The only reason the Left doesn’t march us into labor camps to be worked to death is because they don’t have the numbers to do so, not because they want to live peacefully with conservatives.  . Their rhetoric would be exactly the same without 1/6. They know they don’t have to worry about future elections since they’ve perfected voting fraud. They don’t think conservative Americans will ever be in power again. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:45:57 PM EDT
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OP, were you raised in a country run by socialists?
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You tried “principled conservatives” and what happened? Mom Jeans Romney,the least masculine chooser of masculine pronouns in modern Republican history,was accused of being a general in the War on Women. Do you even remember the War on Women? It was about 12 outrages ago so you can be excused for it having slipped your mind. Its hilarious that some of you think you can actually bargain away enough to appease the far left who is driving American society right now. Your 2024 platform could include funding of Planned Parenthood and it won’t be enough because you compromised on only making abortion available on demand to women over 18 rather than all xersons of any age. Go ahead and try though,it will be funny to see the Republicans kneeling in kente cloth 4 years too late. +1 Exactly my point but expressed better. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:48:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The "vast majority" of Republicans are not QAnon acolytes and were not part of that "event." The rabid supporters of the rhetoric that led to it frequently ridicule and bash the "vast majority" of Republicans. This is a movement that is literally attempting to undermine the Republican party and replace it with leadership with a wholly different ideology, one rooted in a marxist understanding of class conflict the corporate, political, and media works as a bourgeoisie class acting in its own interests against the interests of the workers. That was not the ideology behind the American revolution. It is the ideology spewed in this very thread. All that's missing is recognizing that elites" equals "bourgeoise" and "real Americans" equals "proletariat." So, semantics. The rejection of democratic processes for a preferred dictatorship of said proletariat is clear. What's less clear is why they plan to do with counter-revolutionaries if they had are successful in their revolution. What's less clear is what, if any, moral line exists in people whose rhetoric is that any attempt to hold a moral line makes one a quisling. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Last summer, I got into several heated debates about the ongoing riots. There were some who stridently argued that ALL people involved in the BLM-type riots were commies, they all should know better, and therefore they were ALL guilty and deserving of the highest punishment, which included throwing them into ovens as one person claimed. I pointed out that using that standard, "our" side could be in real trouble and that I prefer to judge people individually for what they had or hadn't done, not by guilt by association. I was criticized by quite a few, and called a "commie" by several. Now, after the Capitol riots of last week, I wonder how you feel now that the shoe is on the other foot. How many lefties are condemning the entirety of conservatism by the actions of a few misguided QAnons and MAGA types? Are we all Nazis? Should we have known better than to associate with conservatism? Should WE be thrown into ovens? I maintain my original position: Judge each person according to their merit, not necessarily by their association. That is all... I’ve always found “moral equivalence” a rather flawed area of reasoning because, even if on the surface, things seem the same, they quite often are not. For example, I have often heard the reasoning that the Bolsheviks were revolutionaries and the American founding fathers were also revolutionaries so therefore they were the same or equivalent. This is obviously patently false due to many factors. BLM is a self proclaimed Marxist movement with a manifesto that is blatantly Marxist. Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to describe all of the BLM protestors as “commies.” However, the vast majority of Republicans —-as evidenced by zero rioting for decades, tea party to pro-gun rallies—unlike the left are not destructive in political protest. It is thus disingenuous to make parallels between the two. The "vast majority" of Republicans are not QAnon acolytes and were not part of that "event." The rabid supporters of the rhetoric that led to it frequently ridicule and bash the "vast majority" of Republicans. This is a movement that is literally attempting to undermine the Republican party and replace it with leadership with a wholly different ideology, one rooted in a marxist understanding of class conflict the corporate, political, and media works as a bourgeoisie class acting in its own interests against the interests of the workers. That was not the ideology behind the American revolution. It is the ideology spewed in this very thread. All that's missing is recognizing that elites" equals "bourgeoise" and "real Americans" equals "proletariat." So, semantics. The rejection of democratic processes for a preferred dictatorship of said proletariat is clear. What's less clear is why they plan to do with counter-revolutionaries if they had are successful in their revolution. What's less clear is what, if any, moral line exists in people whose rhetoric is that any attempt to hold a moral line makes one a quisling. You think that crowd at the capital were all Qtards? For someone trying like hell to make a point of people doing a self-con to justify their beliefs, you're conning yourself harder than anyone in this thread. Which is saying something considering some of these posts. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mistake a lot of you are making is trying to draw some kind of equivalence between the actual acts of violence. I know that a whole summer of rioting doesn't equate to one day of idiocy - that's not the point. What I was specifically addressing is that SOME people here used violence by the left as an excuse to condemn ALL people on the left and proscribed any and all measures against them (which included putting them in ovens). I warned that using that measuring stick is a problem as it could be used just as easily against our side. Notice I used the qualified "some" because there weren't a bunch of people following that logic. You're not wrong here. However I think you only have to look as far as the plains indian wars to see how losing turns out, regardless of violence committed on both sides. I suggest we not lose. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:51:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Last summer, I got into several heated debates about the ongoing riots. There were some who stridently argued that ALL people involved in the BLM-type riots were commies, they all should know better, and therefore they were ALL guilty and deserving of the highest punishment, which included throwing them into ovens as one person claimed. I pointed out that using that standard, "our" side could be in real trouble and that I prefer to judge people individually for what they had or hadn't done, not by guilt by association. I was criticized by quite a few, and called a "commie" by several. Now, after the Capitol riots of last week, I wonder how you feel now that the shoe is on the other foot. How many lefties are condemning the entirety of conservatism by the actions of a few misguided QAnons and MAGA types? Are we all Nazis? Should we have known better than to associate with conservatism? Should WE be thrown into ovens? I maintain my original position: Judge each person according to their merit, not necessarily by their association. That is all... Riot  you call that a riot?Did we burn the Capitol? Jump on police cars? Flip them over light them on fire? Steal weapons and such from them? No? If what happened at the Capitol was a riot. The fuck do they call the bullshit that went on in shit hole cities? Far as being falsely equated with nazis? Sucks for them, I've been called far worse by far better than lowly lefitst lemmings. Ain't gonna hurt my feelz one bit. Afterall. They're into facts and science, so, it should be easy for them to prove I'm some boogeyman/buzzword. Except. It isnt easy for them. And they wind up getting argued into a corner, left trying to regurgitate the same worn out bullshit only to be humiliated. If one seeks a battle of the wits with me. They'd best bring more than Nazi and being chucked into an oven. You think I give a rats ass what those shit heels have to say?  Nazi. from the lefts brown shirts?Thrown into an oven. By what? Some limp wristed gender confused fuck that doesn't know which bathroom to use or is one of Baskin Robin's flavors of mental illness? Oh I'm terrified. Nazi. according to an ideology that wants the government in bed with corporate America to get the outcome they so desire?Nazi. They have to really really do better than that... I'll take that feeble limp wristed insult and wear it like a badge of honor just to fuck with them that they can't and won't get under my skin. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:52:23 PM EDT
[#33]
if you had antifa fighting other antifa to protect the people and businesses they were attacking, it might have been an equal comparison.
I get your point though, and don't disagree, if we're talking philosophy, and not what actually happened. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:53:33 PM EDT
[#34]
Oh look the guy who choose the name and avatar of a premier communist is going to lecture everyone else
GTFO with that bullshit 
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:55:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21 They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces?  Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:56:11 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its almost like you lot missed the election that resulted in the Rs picking up seats in that house. Its not okay to riot because you didnt like the results of the election. Doubles for killing an officer backed up against a wall. The actions on the 6th have more in common with a communist revolution than it did with the Declaration of Independence. Please stop wrapping yourself in the blanket of Revolution to defend the indefensible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ahhhhh, and here we have the truth and most important point. If we cannot live in a nation where representatives are held to answer to the people they supposedly represent, then we do not live in the nation that was created by our founders. Literally in our Declaration of Independence: Its almost like you lot missed the election that resulted in the Rs picking up seats in that house. Its not okay to riot because you didnt like the results of the election. Doubles for killing an officer backed up against a wall. The actions on the 6th have more in common with a communist revolution than it did with the Declaration of Independence. Please stop wrapping yourself in the blanket of Revolution to defend the indefensible. I'll wait. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:57:29 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this look like a modern version of the Founding Fathers to you? https://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/7/1/0/763710.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shhhh. Some folks here don't like it when point out that their position would condemn the people that founded this country. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371244/thatwasdifferent-1574084.gif But it's not. Does this look like a modern version of the Founding Fathers to you? https://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/7/1/0/763710.jpg Seriously. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:58:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Maybe I'm just distracted and being a bit of a pedant, but your use of the word 'riot', in plural no less, brings your bias to light.
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:02:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21 They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." The fuck?  ETA: I guess I really shouldn't expect anything less from you. After all these years one thing is sure consistent - you keep with the same leftist propaganda.. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:04:58 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21 They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." Real life is not black and white.
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:06:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You post a picture from Ukraine, to further your drivel, and expect people to listen to you. The fuck? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21 They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." The fuck? I posted an example of extremist rhetoric, symbols that often converge on the fringe but which each represent different ideologies. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:08:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Real life is not black and white.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21 They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." Real life is not black and white.
Were the men who stopped people from breaking windows uncommitted with weak morals? Is breaking some windows bad, but others good? Are you trying to suggest I am saying every single person in that protest was of the ideology that led to the raid on the Capitol? Are you trying to suggest the men who stopped the window breaking were of the ideology that led to the raid on the capitol? |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:11:36 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: I maintain my original position: Judge each person according to their merit, not necessarily by their association. That is all... Is there something controversial about this statement? Why are people so angry? |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:11:51 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I posted an example of extremist rhetoric, symbols that often converge on the fringe but which each represent different ideologies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21 They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." The fuck? I posted an example of extremist rhetoric, symbols that often converge on the fringe but which each represent different ideologies. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:13:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice try to weasel out of that one. Not going to work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21 They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." The fuck? I posted an example of extremist rhetoric, symbols that often converge on the fringe but which each represent different ideologies. Weasel out of what? It was a picture someone had posted in here last week. It fits the theme of this discussion. No clue where it took place, but if Ukraine (which makes the most sense), it serves as a perfect example. I wonder if that guy posting that flag considers anyone else a "quisling" for not rallying behind him., even as the Russians play that shit up on their propaganda. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:16:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:21:57 PM EDT
[#47]
It’s impressive.
Left can riot. Left can kill trump supporters. Left can lie. Left can own the media. Left can win elections. If the right does anything, it’s evil. Pretty impressive how much the left is winning. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:25:21 PM EDT
[#48]
I want to be on your front. Nice call out OP,
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:27:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:30:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Weasel out of what? It was a picture someone had posted in here last week. It fits the theme of this discussion. No clue where it took place, but if Ukraine (which makes the most sense), it serves as a perfect example. I wonder if that guy posting that flag considers anyone else a "quisling" for not rallying behind him., even as the Russians play that shit up on their propaganda. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We were already all labeled Nazis before 1/6/21 They wouldn't keep banging that drum if it wasn't so important to them that more and more people believe it. What you have to ask yourself is, why are so many allegedly on "our" side so eager to bang that same drum and not reject the extremist rhetoric when it surfaces? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213438/17C947C9-5ABA-4DB5-AE88-7FCEC47D6FC9_jpe-1768507.JPG Less than a year ago, we were all rightly patting ourselves in our collective back after a very successful lobby day demonstration in Richmond. Post after post, we pointed out how our enemies wanted us to be violent, wanted to have an excuse to demonize us. Well, I don't see that crowd as anything like the crowd that stormed the Capitol. Sure, there is some overlap, as there is an any movement. But, there are obvious differences. Not sure why so many here seem to see that storm the Capitol crowd as an "us." It was most definitely a "them." The fuck? I posted an example of extremist rhetoric, symbols that often converge on the fringe but which each represent different ideologies. Weasel out of what? It was a picture someone had posted in here last week. It fits the theme of this discussion. No clue where it took place, but if Ukraine (which makes the most sense), it serves as a perfect example. I wonder if that guy posting that flag considers anyone else a "quisling" for not rallying behind him., even as the Russians play that shit up on their propaganda. The worst kind of Smartest Guy In The Room™ It's obvious you tried to pull a fast one and got caught. |
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