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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:11:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, and if they ever did insist then I'd find a new range then and there Agreed. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:15:17 AM EDT
[#2]
Nope, but there are no RO's at my range, so it would have to be another member.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:18:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, it is becoming more common. For example, Nashua F&G Association in Merrimack, NH, has rules in their bylaws that state you must have BATF form(s) 1,2,3,4 or 5 in your possession and that if asked you must show these documents to club officials, including the CRSO or RSOs. This applies to suppressors, SBRs and SBSs.  No full auto is allowed. I've never been asked for a Form 1 or 4, but have gotten weird looks from some of the old timers when they see me using a suppressor on my pistol. It is just a matter of time until one of them complains to a RSO, who then will feel it necessary to ask to see my BATF documentation. It will be a waste of his or her time as I always carry a copy of my Form 1s and Form 4s with me, just in case someone can't mind their own business. Other clubs in NH, such as Londonderry, allow full auto on certain ranges. I've also used most of my suppressors there at one time or another. I've never been asked for a Form 1 or 4 there. If fact, many members are also using their NFA toys at the range. Good times! You can guess which club I shoot more at.  Live free or die. Quit giving those faggots your money. Nashua is pretty much Massachusetts at this point anyway. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:36:46 AM EDT
[#4]
no There are two I attend regularly, neither has.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:40:42 AM EDT
[#5]
A lot more of the gun community are fucking weirdos than I would care to admit. I have a range on my property so I get to keep my distance from said weirdos.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:41:11 AM EDT
[#6]
No. I've never asked to see my own tax stamp.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:48:47 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No never. Had a shooter from up north try telling me once though that my SBRs and suppressors were illegal. Actually thought he was going pull a gun in me he got so made because I told him to screw off and mind his own business. Tried to turn me on to the range owners. They just laughed at him To be fair, I’m sure “that’s how they did it back home”. 
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:54:49 AM EDT
[#8]
Fuck no they don’t
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:56:14 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like you need to go to a different range.  indeed. fuck them. my range doesn't ask and why should they. they are not federal LEOs |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:11:05 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: #2 reason I dont go to pay ranges. #1 being I can shoot at my house and live a half hour from plenty of federal land You know we hate you, right? 
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:19:27 AM EDT
[#11]
Private outdoor club. No, nobody “works” there to do that, anyway.
Louis Awerbuck would ask for his classes I attended - and he would tell everyone well in advance to bring the form(s). I’m not even sure it was his policy versus the facility policy. One glance on day one and that was it. Only time I’ve ever been asked, non-issue for me. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:23:20 AM EDT
[#12]
Never once.
I had been told once by a range employee that we should have our copies with us just in case but that's it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:24:57 AM EDT
[#13]
1 does, most dont'
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:25:15 AM EDT
[#14]
nope
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:30:15 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's weak sauce 
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:42:19 AM EDT
[#16]
Even the police don’t get to see my stamps. Only ATF agents and only if I don’t feel like making them get a warrant.
IIRC they don’t need a warrant but ‘Merica. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:44:20 AM EDT
[#17]
"It has personally identifying information on it that it none of your fucking business. No I will not show it to you."
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:50:28 AM EDT
[#18]
I've had a range ask if I had one but didn't ask to see it.
Apparently a few guys were making their own and coming in to test them. The next time I went in they had a sign that all privately manufactured suppressors needed to show a stamp. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:55:59 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've had a range ask if I had one but didn't ask to see it. Apparently a few guys were making their own and coming in to test them. The next time I went in they had a sign that all privately manufactured suppressors needed to show a stamp. WAG is the FATF is harassing and intimidating the ranges about it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:58:20 AM EDT
[#20]
If they did, I’d find a new range.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:59:28 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even the police don’t get to see my stamps. Only ATF agents and only if I don’t feel like making them get a warrant. IIRC they don’t need a warrant but ‘Merica. Actually, Florida law says suppressors, SBR, SBS, and other NFA items are illegal in the state... UNLESS you have the federal permission slip. The local cops can arrest you. Granted, that is a very rare occurrence, but something to keep in mind. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:59:29 AM EDT
[#22]
Never
I've done some Carbine classes, I asked instructor ahead of time if SBR and suppressor was ok. He said he encourages them, He used a SBR with a can. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:01:27 AM EDT
[#23]
When I had a range my rule was that any NFA items were good to go, no matter what, if I got to shoot a mag through them. Barring that, pictures of the owner's girlfriend/wife's tits was acceptable.
Hey, my range, my rules. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:02:14 AM EDT
[#24]
Nope.
But in Michigan we have to carry a copy of our Stamp with us because if stopped by the police and we don't have it they will confiscate any NFA item and keep it until we bring in the Stamp and show them. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:03:51 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even the police don’t get to see my stamps. Only ATF agents and only if I don’t feel like making them get a warrant. IIRC they don’t need a warrant but ‘Merica. Lol. If they’re illegal under state law, and the defense/exception is “compliance with the federal NFA” - then good luck with that approach. That’s a VERY common state law structure, by the way. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:06:34 AM EDT
[#26]
Nope, never.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:10:48 AM EDT
[#27]
Just make fake forms. There is zero chance those retard fudds will know.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:11:13 AM EDT
[#28]
Palmetto State Armory in Summerville checks NFA paperwork, so much as to interrupt my shooting to ask for papers. Fernandina does not (or, did not as of the last time I shot there) ask to see docs, but will ask if you have them on your person.
Kinda annoying with the inconsistent policies. Maybe @PalmettoStateArmory could comment on this? |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:11:50 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never been asked to see my stamp for my suppressor. But did have a range owner talk down to me for having an AR pistol with a brace. His RO watched me like a hawk the whole time, I presume to see if the brace touched my shoulder. This was back when that was an issue. I've never been back to that range. Shame, it was nice. I hope you shouldered the shit out of it |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:16:16 AM EDT
[#30]
No.
I volunteer as an RO at a local range. We don't enforce laws, we just make sure nobody is pointing loaded guns at each other. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:16:21 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, Florida law says suppressors, SBR, SBS, and other NFA items are illegal in the state... UNLESS you have the federal permission slip. The local cops can arrest you. Granted, that is a very rare occurrence, but something to keep in mind. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even the police don’t get to see my stamps. Only ATF agents and only if I don’t feel like making them get a warrant. IIRC they don’t need a warrant but ‘Merica. Actually, Florida law says suppressors, SBR, SBS, and other NFA items are illegal in the state... UNLESS you have the federal permission slip. The local cops can arrest you. Granted, that is a very rare occurrence, but something to keep in mind. Florida simply says “NFA is fine here.” No further restrictions, and no lesser restrictions (like suppressor sanctuary states). Under the federal law, the only people who have the authority to view the stamps are FATF agents. It’s just like anything else. If the local cops want to see the stamps, they need to get a warrant and have a reason besides mere possession of an item that isn’t always illegal. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:18:21 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. If they’re illegal under state law, and the defense/exception is “compliance with the federal NFA” - then good luck with that approach. That’s a VERY common state law structure, by the way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even the police don’t get to see my stamps. Only ATF agents and only if I don’t feel like making them get a warrant. IIRC they don’t need a warrant but ‘Merica. Lol. If they’re illegal under state law, and the defense/exception is “compliance with the federal NFA” - then good luck with that approach. That’s a VERY common state law structure, by the way.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:19:53 AM EDT
[#33]
The two current ranges I am a member of..... nobody asks or cares.
However, in the past I have had plenty of local ranges ask to check you had approved NFA paperwork with you. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:22:36 AM EDT
[#34]
Never had anyone ask as of yet.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:24:42 AM EDT
[#35]
If they are asking to make photos or copies of your tax stamps, remind them of this. I had to one time and it shut that range up pretty f-ing quick.
FL 790.335 Prohibition of registration of firearms (Felony) http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.335.html |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:24:56 AM EDT
[#36]
Lol no. I keep a copy in my pickup for when I travel to Minnesota but that's about it. I don't worry about it around here.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:24:58 AM EDT
[#37]
Id as to see their business license proof of insurance and ffl to insure their business was kosher.
Fuck that place |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:27:27 AM EDT
[#38]
Never had anyone ask at my club.
But then I show my stamps to other members whenever I can, if a SBR or my suppressors strike up a conversation (always positive, "What's your cool thing?" etc.) because I want to demystify the NFA process and get more people into NFA stuff. Mostly they're interested, but the extra $200 in taxes and the wait times turn them off. 
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:27:30 AM EDT
[#39]
LOL no.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:28:24 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, and if they ever did insist then I'd find a new range then and there This |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:28:31 AM EDT
[#41]
EVERY indoor range in Orlando asks to see stamps. He doesnt have much a choice.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:30:20 AM EDT
[#42]
On my range there are no questions asked. I got tired of the telling myself MYOB.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:35:32 AM EDT
[#43]
Nope, never been asked.
I keep a PDF of all my trusts and stamps encrypted on my phone. I don't carry paper copies. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:36:23 AM EDT
[#44]
I keep a miniature copy of my stamp in the grip of my SOCOM, but nobody’s ever asked for it nor have I volunteered to show it.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:39:03 AM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: Went to Shooter's World Orlando this evening and they asked if I had any suppressors. Curiously I asked why and the counter worker told me that they don't allow NFA items without proof (tax stamp) to show that it is legal and that you're allowed to have it. I have never been asked that before there or at any other range I have visited. Has your range ever asked you to prove that you're legal? Never had anyone ask to see it for that reason. Now I've had plenty of people that just wanted to see one of the forms to see what they look like. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:44:04 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Even the police don’t get to see my stamps. Only ATF agents and only if I don’t feel like making them get a warrant. IIRC they don’t need a warrant but ‘Merica. Lol. If they’re illegal under state law, and the defense/exception is “compliance with the federal NFA” - then good luck with that approach. That’s a VERY common state law structure, by the way. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/300350/E0514A74-5452-480A-A7AE-FA8E54AA3EFE_jpe-1778727.JPG Right - so FL law is structured exactly the way I said, and the other poster said. Yet here you are, still arguing. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:48:08 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right - so FL law is structured exactly the way I said, and the other poster said. Yet here you are, still arguing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Even the police don’t get to see my stamps. Only ATF agents and only if I don’t feel like making them get a warrant. IIRC they don’t need a warrant but ‘Merica. Lol. If they’re illegal under state law, and the defense/exception is “compliance with the federal NFA” - then good luck with that approach. That’s a VERY common state law structure, by the way. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/300350/E0514A74-5452-480A-A7AE-FA8E54AA3EFE_jpe-1778727.JPG Right - so FL law is structured exactly the way I said, and the other poster said. Yet here you are, still arguing. You interpret it one way. I do another. And that’s ok. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:53:24 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right - so FL law is structured exactly the way I said, and the other poster said. Yet here you are, still arguing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Even the police don’t get to see my stamps. Only ATF agents and only if I don’t feel like making them get a warrant. IIRC they don’t need a warrant but ‘Merica. Lol. If they’re illegal under state law, and the defense/exception is “compliance with the federal NFA” - then good luck with that approach. That’s a VERY common state law structure, by the way. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/300350/E0514A74-5452-480A-A7AE-FA8E54AA3EFE_jpe-1778727.JPG Right - so FL law is structured exactly the way I said, and the other poster said. Yet here you are, still arguing. Yeah, if your state makes NFA items illegal, with a federal NFA tax stamp being an affirmative defense, then you could refuse to show the local PD your tax stamp, but you could also be arrested for it, and have to take it all the way to your criminal trial, and then would have to provide the tax stamp anyways as evidence for your affirmative defense. Texas has tried and failed to correct this language in recent years. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:57:21 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: Went to Shooter's World Orlando this evening and they asked if I had any suppressors. Curiously I asked why and the counter worker told me that they don't allow NFA items without proof (tax stamp) to show that it is legal and that you're allowed to have it. I have never been asked that before there or at any other range I have visited. Has your range ever asked you to prove that you're legal? |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:58:45 AM EDT
[#50]
Did you ask to see their tax returns?
Find a new range. |
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