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Originally Posted By Forest: People who have never fired a tank in anger don't get to define jack shit. Sweden can call it a gay bath house and probably be closer to the truth than tank. Even the Brit Mk 4s in WW1 had better fields of fire. View Quote It does have a built in sauna function and there were quite a few Swedes with combat experience. |
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Originally Posted By m35ben: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPEW99d16vE View Quote "HOLY 1970's FLASHBACK"! As soon as I saw the word 'GOER', this Monty Python skit popped into my head, LOL! Nudge Nudge Monty Python |
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"If It Has Tits, Wheels, or a CPU, it's gonna cause you Problems."
If ******** could fly, this place would be an airport. NRA LIFE MEMBER FOR OVER 35 YEARS. "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value --- zero." |
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Used to say 'A Nods as good as a Wink to a Blind bat' to a few Hillbilly friends. WAY over their heads, they practically begged me to know what it meant. I'll bet I let it go on for over a year before I painfully explained it. And it still took awhile! Great Folks though. |
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"If It Has Tits, Wheels, or a CPU, it's gonna cause you Problems."
If ******** could fly, this place would be an airport. NRA LIFE MEMBER FOR OVER 35 YEARS. "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value --- zero." |
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Originally Posted By swede1986: The S-tank wasn't noticeably slower on target than other tanks of that era. View Quote on a narrow gun range you might not see as big a difference, a wide open battlefied is a different matter. There is no way that thing is engaging a tank on right flank then switching to a target on it's left in the same 5 seconds it would take an M1. |
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"with a Big Iron on his hip" - Marty Robbins
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Originally Posted By Forest: on a narrow gun range you might not see as big a difference, a wide open battlefied is a different matter. There is no way that thing is engaging a tank on right flank then switching to a target on it's left in the same 5 seconds it would take an M1. View Quote The M1 is a tank designed in the late 1970s, the Strv 103 was designed 1956 and built from 1967 to 1971, compare it with the M60 and not the M1. |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: The M1 is a tank designed in the late 1970s, the Strv 103 was designed 1956 and built from 1967 to 1971, compare it with the M60 and not the M1. View Quote The 103 served at the same time as both the M60 and M1. But do you really think the 103 going to compete in a 360 degree world against the M60 (15 seconds to rotate 360)? There is a reason nobody makes tanks like that. |
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Originally Posted By Forest: The 103 served at the same time as both the M60 and M1. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes There are T-34-85 still in service. But do you really think the 103 going to compete in a 360 degree world against the M60 (15 seconds to rotate 360)? There is a reason nobody makes tanks like that. 103: 22 seconds for a 360° rotation. Not that bad. |
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Originally Posted By Forest: The 103 served at the same time as both the M60 and M1. But do you really think the 103 going to compete in a 360 degree world against the M60 (15 seconds to rotate 360)? There is a reason nobody makes tanks like that. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Forest: on a narrow gun range you might not see as big a difference, a wide open battlefied is a different matter. There is no way that thing is engaging a tank on right flank then switching to a target on it's left in the same 5 seconds it would take an M1. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Forest: Originally Posted By swede1986: The S-tank wasn't noticeably slower on target than other tanks of that era. on a narrow gun range you might not see as big a difference, a wide open battlefied is a different matter. There is no way that thing is engaging a tank on right flank then switching to a target on it's left in the same 5 seconds it would take an M1. So you're comparing a tank designed to go up against the T-54 with the Abrams? Now you're just trolling. |
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"you ought to listen to our resident Swede, he's genetically superior." -Bohr_Adam
"They are superior beings those Swedes." -RockHard13F |
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I know exactly where that tank is
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Brazil upgraded M3 Stuart with a 90mm gun. Some more information: The strange Stuarts of Brazil The USA’s M3/M5 Stuart family is a fairly well-known tank used by numerous countries during and after WWII. In the case of Brazil, what makes the story interesting is the variety of modifications done to Stuarts decades after WWII had ended. View Quote X1A2 Carcara tank of the 1980s; the last member of the M3 family tree |
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103 can turn 180° in less than 2 seconds with a good driver.
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View Quote Now THAT is an interesting design, but good choice on the Leo II |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: I always thought the M715 was badass. https://www.easternsurplus.net/Documents/Pictures/d40bc4d4-e2ff-45c5-9701-6cf783fbf526-01262018-cropped-2540-00-917-5904%20Green%20Canvas%20Cab%20Top%20for%20M715%20Jeep%20NOS%20(2).jpg View Quote Oh dear God that’s beautiful |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: I guess the Leopard 2 was cheaper on the long run. View Quote True. The Swedish trials which led to the adoption of the Leo II were drawn out, and eventually the end of the Cold War shut off the funding for anything extravagant. The first plan was Stridsvagn 2000, a domestic supertank capable of taking on anything the Red Army would have for the foreseeable future. That plan was put on ice when the Russians threw in the towel. The Army had to choose between the Strv 2000 and the CV90, and the latter was a more urgent need. The second plan was a 2-tiered force. A modern Western MBT for front-line units, and surplus Soviet T-80s for 2nd line units. For this purpose, the Leo II, Leclerc, and Abrams were tested alongside the T-80. The Chally II was never in the running because the Limeys didn't have the production capacity to fulfill a Swedish order until they were done with production for the British Army. The budget cuts of the 90s changed this though; keeping two different MBTs in service wasn't possible anymore. At the same time the Krauts were reducing their army, so a lot of surplus Leo IIs entered the market. A deal was made where we leased surplus tanks, while new ones with Swedish-made turrets were produced. This led to Strv 121 (ex Kraut tanks) and Strv 122 (new tanks). The plan was for the German tanks to be returned at the end of the lease, but the Germans had no need for them, so they remain in storage indefinitely. A few have been converted to engineering vehicles. |
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"you ought to listen to our resident Swede, he's genetically superior." -Bohr_Adam
"They are superior beings those Swedes." -RockHard13F |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/o0Ow8i8.jpg Dana M2, 152 Howitzer https://i.imgur.com/vAYRYG0.jpg Boxer IFV, Lithuania https://i.imgur.com/118DkKJ.jpg Puma Schützenpanzer (IFV), Bundeswehr, Germany Even safe for pregnant women. https://i.imgur.com/mO95dZA.jpg View Quote Last one from the end, is that an 88 in the background? |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/NxYK37O.jpg Brazil upgraded M3 Stuart with a 90mm gun. Some more information: The strange Stuarts of Brazil https://i.imgur.com/mWz3DWf.jpg X1A2 Carcara tank of the 1980s; the last member of the M3 family tree View Quote wow... that is really cool |
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KF7WNX If you want a picture of the future, imagine Clownshoes stomping on a human face—for ever.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: I’m 99% sure that’s a Büffel. View Quote Yeah, those attachment points at the ends of the blade look very similar. The 88s' still badass in my opinion. Introduced in 1961, still in service today. 59, almost 60, years of service for a tracked vehicle, not sure that can be matched, possibly I'm wrong. We had 1 in out unit, thought it was cool the operators carried M3's. |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: I always thought the M715 was badass. https://www.easternsurplus.net/Documents/Pictures/d40bc4d4-e2ff-45c5-9701-6cf783fbf526-01262018-cropped-2540-00-917-5904%20Green%20Canvas%20Cab%20Top%20for%20M715%20Jeep%20NOS%20(2).jpg View Quote Because it is. |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/KC7bzGE.jpg Spähpanzer Luchs - (Lynx 8x8 amphibious reconnaissance armoured fighting vehicle) The Luchs was so silent it could shadow a marching platoon at night less then 300m away and no soldier noticed it was there. At low speed you could only hear the tires on the ground. View Quote Cold War German armor was really cool |
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this thread turned out really awesome... thanks guys...
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"you ought to listen to our resident Swede, he's genetically superior." -Bohr_Adam
"They are superior beings those Swedes." -RockHard13F |
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