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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:24:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there someone out there who argues anything different? Yes. What? You're claiming that's "clearly reflective of NFL fandom as a whole"?  |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: [Looks at calendar] So far. Three weeks from now could be different. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You'd have Manning above Rodgers? [Looks at calendar] So far. Three weeks from now could be different. Even if Rodgers loses this weekend I still couldn't put Manning ahead of him. He was great in the regular season, but lets' look at his postseason career. Ring #1: won in a postseason in which he threw more than twice as many INTs as TDs. Ring #2: won in a season in which Manning was statistically the worst QB in the NFL. Outside of those postseasons in which his teams won despite him and not because of him Manning has a 7-13 postseason record. Furthermore in 9 of his 12 postseason appearances he went one and done. Usually as a home favorite. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:36:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You also should factor in dome stadiums. Brees and Manning spent most of their careers indoors and in Southern conferences. That makes padding their stats a bit easier. Rodgers is in one of the two worst stadiums to play in during the winter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm 50-50 on that. Comparing Manning to Rodgers is fairly easy. Their careers overlapped by 10 seasons. The funny part about comparing QBs from one era to another is when it's Favre vs. Brady. Their careers overlapped by ten seasons as well, but Brady is still playing some 30 years after Favre was drafted. That's ridiculous. Now, as to when rules changes happened to favor offenses (specifically, the passing game)? The first major one came after the '03 season, when New England beat the shit out of Indy in the playoffs. Irsay and the Colts complained to the league and a new emphasis on calling PI was instituted. Manning set all sorts of records again the next year in '04...and still got beat by the Patriots in the playoffs. The next big wave of offensive-friendly rules started after 2010. From that point on, passing records started falling left and right because defenses were being hamstrung even more. You also should factor in dome stadiums. Brees and Manning spent most of their careers indoors and in Southern conferences. That makes padding their stats a bit easier. Rodgers is in one of the two worst stadiums to play in during the winter. You know what? You're right. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:38:36 PM EDT
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Interdasting. The Packers are 16-2 at home under LaFleur.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:43:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if Rodgers loses this weekend I still couldn't put Manning ahead of him. He was great in the regular season, but lets' look at his postseason career. Ring #1: won in a postseason in which he threw more than twice any INTs as TDs. Ring #2: won in a season in which Manning was statistically the worst QB in the NFL. Outside of those postseasons in which his teams won despite him and not because of him Manning has a 7-13 postseason record. Furthermore in 9 of his 12 postseason appearances he went one and done. Usually as a home favorite. You make a good point about Manning's shortcomings in the postseason. Having said that, Rodgers' playoff career is even worse. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:13:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple years ago I may have put Manning above Rogers but now I am not so sure. I seems like Manning played in that transitional time when rules changes really made the passing game king but I really don’t know the exact dates of the changes. I know the old QBs today would have taken too much of a beating as recently as the 90s and likely wouldn’t be still playing into their late 30s or 40s. It is so hard to rank QBs from different eras. That reminded me of this video that popped up on my youtube feed the other day.  That Time Rookie Peyton Manning Dueled Steve Young in a Game Filled with Legends | NFL Vault Stories When I think Peyton Manning, I don't think about him dueling guys like Steve Young, yet they played against each other in that game. And to be fair I also don't think of guys like Tom Brady when I think about Favre's games, yet they've played each other as well. It's kind of amazing that we have these "eras" in our heads but often players didn't play completely inside them. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:14:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You make a good point about Manning's shortcomings in the postseason. Having said that, Rodgers' playoff career is even worse. 
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:15:04 PM EDT
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Tom Brady is GOAT.
Not only the best QB of all time, but the best player in NFL history, ever. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:17:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 NFC Championships and one Superbowl win? On a team that can't attract free agents? Well...they made it to the championship game 4 (5 now) but they were only NFC champs once. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:20:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You make a good point about Manning's shortcomings in the postseason. Having said that, Rodgers' playoff career is even worse. He's had post season games where he certainly wasn't the elite QB you'd expect, but he's also had post season games where he made magic happen. I don't remember that necessarily being the case with Manning's postseasons, but I could be wrong as I don't remember them as well. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's had post season games where he certainly wasn't the elite QB you'd expect, but he's also had post season games where he made magic happen. I don't remember that necessarily being the case with Manning's postseasons, but I could be wrong as I don't remember them as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You make a good point about Manning's shortcomings in the postseason. Having said that, Rodgers' playoff career is even worse. He's had post season games where he certainly wasn't the elite QB you'd expect, but he's also had post season games where he made magic happen. I don't remember that necessarily being the case with Manning's postseasons, but I could be wrong as I don't remember them as well. That is because of how quickly they usually ended. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:56:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well...they made it to the championship game 4 (5 now) but they were only NFC champs once. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:40:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's still pretty impressive for anyone not named Montana or Brady. It's the paradox of a playoff. Unless you win the Superbowl, you're going to end the year on a stinker. Impressive, but not necessarily as impressive as one might think. I still stand by the fact that most of those losses weren't even close to being Rodgers fault, but that won't matter to most people.  Attached Fileedit: on second glance this might not be accurate... I'll have to double check later. edit edit: Favre's should be reversed, 2 wins 3 losses. Not sure on the rest, I'll check those later. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:37:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2021 10:04:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tom Brady is GOAT. Not only the best QB of all time, but the best player in NFL history, ever.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:54:08 PM EDT
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It’s obvious the NFL, media, advertisers, CBS, etc will want Mahomes and the Chiefs to win this weekend.
However, who do think they want to win the NFC Championship? My guess is Brady and the Bucs would garner more interest than Rodgers and the Packers, but it’s not a no-brainer like the AFC is. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:21:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tom Brady is GOAT. Not only the best QB of all time, but the best player in NFL history, ever. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/87D543F5-C33B-475C-95CD-45D86133DAC9-476.gif did you happen to even glance at david_esm's post on the previous page? i know GOAT convos will always be subjective, especially in a sport like football, but god damn we may never see another player like brady in our lifetime. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:24:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s obvious the NFL, media, advertisers, CBS, etc will want Mahomes and the Chiefs to win this weekend. However, who do think they want to win the NFC Championship? My guess is Brady and the Bucs would garner more interest than Rodgers and the Packers, but it’s not a no-brainer like the AFC is. i feel like Rodgers got a lot more national love this year than Tom. seems like a lot of people wrote tom off, or they didn't expect the bucs to be in the conference champ game. tom is definitely more polarizing than aaron, but packers have fans everywhere. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:39:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i feel like Rodgers got a lot more national love this year than Tom. seems like a lot of people wrote tom off, or they didn't expect the bucs to be in the conference champ game. tom is definitely more polarizing than aaron, but packers have fans everywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s obvious the NFL, media, advertisers, CBS, etc will want Mahomes and the Chiefs to win this weekend. However, who do think they want to win the NFC Championship? My guess is Brady and the Bucs would garner more interest than Rodgers and the Packers, but it’s not a no-brainer like the AFC is. i feel like Rodgers got a lot more national love this year than Tom. seems like a lot of people wrote tom off, or they didn't expect the bucs to be in the conference champ game. tom is definitely more polarizing than aaron, but packers have fans everywhere. Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:00:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s obvious the NFL, media, advertisers, CBS, etc will want Mahomes and the Chiefs to win this weekend. However, who do think they want to win the NFC Championship? My guess is Brady and the Bucs would garner more interest than Rodgers and the Packers, but it’s not a no-brainer like the AFC is. i feel like Rodgers got a lot more national love this year than Tom. seems like a lot of people wrote tom off, or they didn't expect the bucs to be in the conference champ game. tom is definitely more polarizing than aaron, but packers have fans everywhere. Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. you'll never guess who were number one and two and jersey sales this year... |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:07:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you'll never guess who were number one and two and jersey sales this year... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s obvious the NFL, media, advertisers, CBS, etc will want Mahomes and the Chiefs to win this weekend. However, who do think they want to win the NFC Championship? My guess is Brady and the Bucs would garner more interest than Rodgers and the Packers, but it’s not a no-brainer like the AFC is. i feel like Rodgers got a lot more national love this year than Tom. seems like a lot of people wrote tom off, or they didn't expect the bucs to be in the conference champ game. tom is definitely more polarizing than aaron, but packers have fans everywhere. Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. you'll never guess who were number one and two and jersey sales this year... Mahomes and the GOAT probably. I’d be shocked if Rodgers was in there. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:24:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you'll never guess who were number one and two and jersey sales this year... Josh Allen and Brady? |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:40:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Josh Allen and Brady? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: you'll never guess who were number one and two and jersey sales this year... Josh Allen and Brady? HK was right, mahomes #1 and brady #2 |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:47:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. I dunno. Have we already forgotten the hate/disgust so many fans had for NE & Brady for being so dominant? Not to mention the cheating allegations or the "favored by the refs" allegations. I also saw plenty of shade being thrown at TB12 for not meeting with/shaking hands with certain QB's this year, specifically ones that beat them. I also think Rodgers doing so much more media this year has really helped his public image. People flat out comment to McAfee's show that "Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays" has changed their opinion of him. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:38:18 AM EDT
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Let's say the Bucs win:
This could be the SPIN, The "Old Man" against the "Kid" who could not beat him to get to the Super Bowl. OR Brady against the Bills, "The Rivalry Continues". (AFC East) More than likely though it will be KC v GB. (Bummer) |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:55:28 AM EDT
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I really don't see the Bucs beating the Pack in Green Bay in late January. Way too much going on in favor of the home team and Tampa's defense isn't really that good. It's mediocre-to-ok.
My prediction is Packers win by 17. I want to be wrong, but suspect I won't be. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:58:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really don't see the Bucs beating the Pack in Green Bay in late January. Way too much going on in favor of the home team and Tampa's defense isn't really that good. It's mediocre-to-ok. My prediction is Packers win by 17. I want to be wrong, but suspect I won't be. 
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:23:27 AM EDT
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Interesting who the final 4 teams remaining are. No teams with dominant defenses remaining, it's basically the 4 top MVP candidates at QB with okay to average defenses. Any of these 4 can win the Superbowl, and I don't think the odds difference between #1 and #4 is all that different.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:36:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting who the final 4 teams remaining are. No teams with dominant defenses remaining, it's basically the 4 top MVP candidates at QB with okay to average defenses. Any of these 4 can win the Superbowl, and I don't think the odds difference between #1 and #4 is all that different. I think Brady is going to give GB all they can handle....hope not.  
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:39:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Brady is going to give GB all they can handle....hope not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting who the final 4 teams remaining are. No teams with dominant defenses remaining, it's basically the 4 top MVP candidates at QB with okay to average defenses. Any of these 4 can win the Superbowl, and I don't think the odds difference between #1 and #4 is all that different. I think Brady is going to give GB all they can handle....hope not. It will be a dogfight. Packers will probably need to score 35 to win. Brady is going to do a lot of scoring. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:49:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s obvious the NFL, media, advertisers, CBS, etc will want Mahomes and the Chiefs to win this weekend. However, who do think they want to win the NFC Championship? My guess is Brady and the Bucs would garner more interest than Rodgers and the Packers, but it’s not a no-brainer like the AFC is. I'm not sure I believe either of those, but these four teams being the final contenders says a LOT about why the MLB sucks and the NFL is better. Buffalo Green Bay Kansas City Tampa Those all small markets. That can never and will never happen in the MLB. Kansas City is actually the largest left by city population, but I think the Tampa metro is slightly larger than KC. KC and GB also have a lot of people outside their metro areas. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:54:00 AM EDT
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Buffalo and Cleveland having good teams is great for the NFL as a whole. The fall of the Patriots (this year) brings a little balance to the force.
Very excited to see where Cleveland goes next year. I think Baker Mayfield is good enough, they have a young nucleus and a good (great?) coach finally. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:55:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's say the Bucs win: This could be the SPIN, The "Old Man" against the "Kid" who could not beat him to get to the Super Bowl. OR Brady against the Bills, "The Rivalry Continues". (AFC East) More than likely though it will be KC v GB. (Bummer) How is that a bummer? Even if you're just a random football fan with no preference for any of those teams, KC vs GB sounds like an absolutely explosive matchup of a game. Give me a Super Bowl where both teams score 40+. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:55:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure I believe either of those, but these four teams being the final contenders says a LOT about why the MLB sucks and the NFL is better. Buffalo Green Bay Kansas City Tampa Those all small markets. That can never and will never happen in the MLB. Kansas City is actually the largest left by city population, but I think the Tampa metro is slightly larger than KC. KC and GB also have a lot of people outside their metro areas. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s obvious the NFL, media, advertisers, CBS, etc will want Mahomes and the Chiefs to win this weekend. However, who do think they want to win the NFC Championship? My guess is Brady and the Bucs would garner more interest than Rodgers and the Packers, but it’s not a no-brainer like the AFC is. I'm not sure I believe either of those, but these four teams being the final contenders says a LOT about why the MLB sucks and the NFL is better. Buffalo Green Bay Kansas City Tampa Those all small markets. That can never and will never happen in the MLB. Kansas City is actually the largest left by city population, but I think the Tampa metro is slightly larger than KC. KC and GB also have a lot of people outside their metro areas. Wow, I never caught on to that but you're right. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:58:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure I believe either of those, but these four teams being the final contenders says a LOT about why the MLB sucks and the NFL is better. Buffalo Green Bay Kansas City Tampa Those all small markets. That can never and will never happen in the MLB. Kansas City is actually the largest left by city population, but I think the Tampa metro is slightly larger than KC. KC and GB also have a lot of people outside their metro areas. Yep. l know people have tried to disprove it, but you can't deny that teams that spend more money tend to be a bit more successful. Pittsburgh Pirates- cheapest team, #26 best Dodgers- usually #1-#5 in spending, perennially good the last decade. Yankees are always big spenders, usually win their division. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:01:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buffalo and Cleveland having good teams is great for the NFL as a whole. The fall of the Patriots (this year) brings a little balance to the force. Very excited to see where Cleveland goes next year. I think Baker Mayfield is good enough, they have a young nucleus and a good (great?) coach finally. Agreed. They nailed the draft in 2020 and nailed the coaching hire. Improve the LB and DB corps a little, and figure out a way to get rid of OBJ, and they should be set for a while. As long as Baker doesn't expect to make 45M a year. He has to recognize that when he has a great O line, like this year and his final year at Oklahoma, he has success. When he doesn't, it can get ugly. If I were Baker, I think I'd try to negotiate a long term deal, for a relatively low yearly cap hit, but with a strong injury guarantee. Get lots of the money up front, and then play for 7 years for 22 Million with incentives available. The Browns will not be contenders if Baker is making top QB money. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:25:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is that a bummer? Even if you're just a random football fan with no preference for any of those teams, KC vs GB sounds like an absolutely explosive matchup of a game. Give me a Super Bowl where both teams score 40+. Might surprise you to find out that both the Bucs and Bills averaged more points than the Chiefs this season... |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting who the final 4 teams remaining are. No teams with dominant defenses remaining, it's basically the 4 top MVP candidates at QB with okay to average defenses. Any of these 4 can win the Superbowl, and I don't think the odds difference between #1 and #4 is all that different. Bucs were the #8 defense by scoring. #6 by yards allowed. #1 against the pass. #6 highest turnover differential. #7 in sacks. So by every measure the Bucs are a top 10 defense. I would say that's pretty dominant. Especially being #1 in passing with how the league works now-a-days. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:29:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dunno. Have we already forgotten the hate/disgust so many fans had for NE & Brady for being so dominant? Not to mention the cheating allegations or the "favored by the refs" allegations. I also saw plenty of shade being thrown at TB12 for not meeting with/shaking hands with certain QB's this year, specifically ones that beat them. I also think Rodgers doing so much more media this year has really helped his public image. People flat out comment to McAfee's show that "Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays" has changed their opinion of him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. I dunno. Have we already forgotten the hate/disgust so many fans had for NE & Brady for being so dominant? Not to mention the cheating allegations or the "favored by the refs" allegations. I also saw plenty of shade being thrown at TB12 for not meeting with/shaking hands with certain QB's this year, specifically ones that beat them. I also think Rodgers doing so much more media this year has really helped his public image. People flat out comment to McAfee's show that "Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays" has changed their opinion of him. If we learned anything from Howard Stern, it is that people tune in to watch people they hate just as much as people they love. People who hate Tom will watch hoping to see it be his end/downfall. Edit: Tom brings in the New England fans, Tampa fans, the sport history fans who want to continue seeing his legendary career, New England haters, Tom haters, Falcons/Saints/Panthers fans who want to see the Bucs get stomped, etc. And the one underlined, the haters, is probably a larger audience than Rodgers brings just on it's own.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:31:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. l know people have tried to disprove it, but you can't deny that teams that spend more money tend to be a bit more successful. Pittsburgh Pirates- cheapest team, #26 best Dodgers- usually #1-#5 in spending, perennially good the last decade. Yankees are always big spenders, usually win their division. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sure I believe either of those, but these four teams being the final contenders says a LOT about why the MLB sucks and the NFL is better. Buffalo Green Bay Kansas City Tampa Those all small markets. That can never and will never happen in the MLB. Kansas City is actually the largest left by city population, but I think the Tampa metro is slightly larger than KC. KC and GB also have a lot of people outside their metro areas. Yep. l know people have tried to disprove it, but you can't deny that teams that spend more money tend to be a bit more successful. Pittsburgh Pirates- cheapest team, #26 best Dodgers- usually #1-#5 in spending, perennially good the last decade. Yankees are always big spenders, usually win their division. I come into the NFL thread and have to be reminded that my Pirates suck, have sucked for most of my life, and will continue to suck for the foreseeable future? 
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:33:54 PM EDT
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Saints will receive a 3rd round compensation pick in each of the next two drafts for losing Terry Fontenot to the Falcons. Falcons giving two free 3rds to the Saints. Of course the Saints outlook is so negative they probably figure it won't change much for them.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:40:12 PM EDT
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Calvin Johnson, "It will feel like a slight," to not be selected first ballot.
Fuck off Calvin. You are one of the most physically gifted people to ever play the game, but you left early. You have no CAREER stats to brag about. You have single game and single season stats. You're not even in the top TWENTY for touchdowns. Not even in the top THIRTY for yardage. Not even in the top FOURTY for receptions. TO didn't get in until his 3rd ballot (3rd in TDs, 3rd in yards, 3rd in receptions). Marvin Harrison 3rd (5th in TDs, 9th in yards, 9th in receptions). Cris Carter 6th (4th in TDs, 13th in yards, 13th in receptions). And you think it is a slight if you don't go first? Go fuck yourself. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:44:49 PM EDT
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Tom Brady has not thrown an INT on the road in his last 368 attempts. The longest streak in NFL history.
The last time he threw an interception on the road was week 1 against the Saints. I had to look it up because I didn't believe it with his 11 interceptions this season, but that is pretty fucking amazing. 9 straight road games, including 2 in the playoffs, without an interception. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:55:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bucs were the #8 defense by scoring. #6 by yards allowed. #1 against the pass. #6 highest turnover differential. #7 in sacks. So by every measure the Bucs are a top 10 defense. I would say that's pretty dominant. Especially being #1 in passing with how the league works now-a-days. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting who the final 4 teams remaining are. No teams with dominant defenses remaining, it's basically the 4 top MVP candidates at QB with okay to average defenses. Any of these 4 can win the Superbowl, and I don't think the odds difference between #1 and #4 is all that different. Bucs were the #8 defense by scoring. #6 by yards allowed. #1 against the pass. #6 highest turnover differential. #7 in sacks. So by every measure the Bucs are a top 10 defense. I would say that's pretty dominant. Especially being #1 in passing with how the league works now-a-days. The Bucs also finished the regular season as the #4 defense by EPA/play. Buffalo, KC, and GB are all approximately average defenses by that metric. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:12:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Calvin Johnson, "It will feel like a slight," to not be selected first ballot. Fuck off Calvin. You are one of the most physically gifted people to ever play the game, but you left early. You have no CAREER stats to brag about. You have single game and single season stats. You're not even in the top TWENTY for touchdowns. Not even in the top THIRTY for yardage. Not even in the top FOURTY for receptions. TO didn't get in until his 3rd ballot (3rd in TDs, 3rd in yards, 3rd in receptions). Marvin Harrison 3rd (5th in TDs, 9th in yards, 9th in receptions). Cris Carter 6th (4th in TDs, 13th in yards, 13th in receptions). And you think it is a slight if you don't go first? Go fuck yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Calvin Johnson, "It will feel like a slight," to not be selected first ballot. Fuck off Calvin. You are one of the most physically gifted people to ever play the game, but you left early. You have no CAREER stats to brag about. You have single game and single season stats. You're not even in the top TWENTY for touchdowns. Not even in the top THIRTY for yardage. Not even in the top FOURTY for receptions. TO didn't get in until his 3rd ballot (3rd in TDs, 3rd in yards, 3rd in receptions). Marvin Harrison 3rd (5th in TDs, 9th in yards, 9th in receptions). Cris Carter 6th (4th in TDs, 13th in yards, 13th in receptions). And you think it is a slight if you don't go first? Go fuck yourself. I don't have a dog in that fight, but based on your post, I see it as the Frank Gore conundrum. There are volume stats and then there are efficiency stats. Volume stats are largely just indicators of longevity (Frank Gore). Efficiency stats are better indicators of things like talent and/or scheme depending upon who or what you are evaluating. Let's review the Drew Brees discussion from the previous page: Quoted: Quoted: Does Brees hold any of the big passing records as of today? Most career passing yards Most career pass completions Highest career completion percentage Most pass completions in a season Highest single-season completion percentage Highest single-game completion percentage Most touchdown passes in a game (tied) Most consecutive games with a touchdown pass From where I sit, the career yards and career completions stats aren't super special when you're talking about a guy that was in the league for 20 years. Those completion percentage stats? Now THOSE are really special. Looking at Johnson's stats and list of records and knowing the context of the team he did that with, what he did is pretty incredible. He has 9 league records listed on his Wiki page, and none of them are based on longevity. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:35:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You make a good point about Manning's shortcomings in the postseason. Having said that, Rodgers' playoff career is even worse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even if Rodgers loses this weekend I still couldn't put Manning ahead of him. He was great in the regular season, but lets' look at his postseason career. Ring #1: won in a postseason in which he threw more than twice any INTs as TDs. Ring #2: won in a season in which Manning was statistically the worst QB in the NFL. Outside of those postseasons in which his teams won despite him and not because of him Manning has a 7-13 postseason record. Furthermore in 9 of his 12 postseason appearances he went one and done. Usually as a home favorite. You make a good point about Manning's shortcomings in the postseason. Having said that, Rodgers' playoff career is even worse.  |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:39:41 PM EDT
[#47]
I'm trying to find cheap folding tables to jump through but they seem to be in short supply. Maybe others temporarily joined the bills mafia
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:41:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Impressive, but not necessarily as impressive as one might think. I still stand by the fact that most of those losses weren't even close to being Rodgers fault, but that won't matter to most people. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/280940/Untitled-1_jpg-1785762.JPG edit: on second glance this might not be accurate... I'll have to double check later. edit edit: Favre's should be reversed, 2 wins 3 losses. Not sure on the rest, I'll check those later. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's still pretty impressive for anyone not named Montana or Brady. It's the paradox of a playoff. Unless you win the Superbowl, you're going to end the year on a stinker. Impressive, but not necessarily as impressive as one might think. I still stand by the fact that most of those losses weren't even close to being Rodgers fault, but that won't matter to most people. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/280940/Untitled-1_jpg-1785762.JPG edit: on second glance this might not be accurate... I'll have to double check later. edit edit: Favre's should be reversed, 2 wins 3 losses. Not sure on the rest, I'll check those later. It sure won't. It's a double edged sword. If QBs get praise for wins regardless of the circumstances then they also get blame for the loses regardless of the circumstances. Unless of course you're Groot in which case you can shit the bed in a postseason game and it's STILL not your fault. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryManning has 14 wins in the postseason, Rodgers (so far) has 11. Manning has four conference championship wins, Rodgers (so far) has one. Manning has two Super Bowl wins (for whatever it is worth, in this case, not as much as typical), Rodgers has one. Like I said, while I have Manning ahead of Rodgers at this moment, that could change in a matter of weeks. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:47:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure I believe either of those, but these four teams being the final contenders says a LOT about why the MLB sucks and the NFL is better. Buffalo Green Bay Kansas City Tampa Those all small markets. That can never and will never happen in the MLB. Kansas City is actually the largest left by city population, but I think the Tampa metro is slightly larger than KC. KC and GB also have a lot of people outside their metro areas. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s obvious the NFL, media, advertisers, CBS, etc will want Mahomes and the Chiefs to win this weekend. However, who do think they want to win the NFC Championship? My guess is Brady and the Bucs would garner more interest than Rodgers and the Packers, but it’s not a no-brainer like the AFC is. I'm not sure I believe either of those, but these four teams being the final contenders says a LOT about why the MLB sucks and the NFL is better. Buffalo Green Bay Kansas City Tampa Those all small markets. That can never and will never happen in the MLB. Kansas City is actually the largest left by city population, but I think the Tampa metro is slightly larger than KC. KC and GB also have a lot of people outside their metro areas. You don't believe that the NFL, media, CBS, and pretty much anyone that has a stake in the Super Bowl getting as much attention as possible would rather have Mahomes and the Chiefs in it than Allen and the Bills? |
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