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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:24:43 AM EDT
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Side bar --> There are a two prevalent “weird’isms” about GD:
1. FPNI 2. Being ahead of the news cycle It is why I keep surfing the forum. Condolences to the OP 
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:25:41 AM EDT
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Can't help but wonder if we end up snatching Obrador like Noriega before this is all said & done. He is 1) clearly on the payroll of at least one cartel faction, 2) actively hostile to US interests In short, there is no reason for us to tolerate a weak nation like Mexico on our border putting the likes of him in charge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The US military will be fighting the Cartels in Mexico within 24 months, just to keep it on that side of the border. That is my prediction and I hope I'm wrong. In short, there is no reason for us to tolerate a weak nation like Mexico on our border putting the likes of him in charge. 
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:28:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI hope Trump takes them out. Declare them a terrorist org and put the bombers in the air. If Mexico wont do it then we should.
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:29:39 AM EDT
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This was a hit. This was a hit to trigger chaos. Watch the waterfall of events and talking points that come from this. In fact, my tin foil is already wrapped tight with the PV Epstein vid today so I'll go ahead and say that Mitt Romeny played a hand in this. With Mormons being involved, border politics, and his dislike for Trump and subservience to the DNC communists my money is on him being involved to a varying degree here. 
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:30:01 AM EDT
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Were I president, there would be a National address on every television station. The videos of this would be shown to everyone. A map would be shown where this took place.
" Your representatives are against protecting you from this". Followed by an announcement that an expeditionary force was on it's way to retrieve our citizens, and any force that did not want to die should not interfere. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:30:02 AM EDT
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The best possible outcome to this is to lock our border down with military. Dropping JDAM's or cruise missiles on them is only going to kick things up significantly in this country, much like the middle east we'd kill the leaders and a create a power vacuum and they'd soon be replaced with someone else. The videos of cars shot up in Mexico would be common daily things in this country.
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:34:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Translation2: Mexico is culturally so worried about looking like the US’ bitch that they won’t accept help even if it’s offered freely, even if they know they’re in over their heads. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:37:14 AM EDT
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https://m.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10163436096680725?d=m
Trump says time to send in the US military |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:38:24 AM EDT
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Local news carried this story, I was shocked! This site is about 2 days ahead of the media, must take a few days to get the story to line up with their views.
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:42:46 AM EDT
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OP - I'm sorry for your friend's loss. This is truly sickening.
This story all over local Cleveland, OH talk radio today (not just nationally syndicated news but local shows as well). This story has gotten the attention of the nation. With the attention from POTUS and the media I hope that something positive is done as a result. It will no doubt be too little, and too late for your friends family but at this point there is going to need to be an accounting of some sort. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:44:12 AM EDT
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The best possible outcome to this is to lock our border down with military. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:44:31 AM EDT
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Considering the slanted media I'm surprised the attention this is getting already. Even a Tuscon site has it up.
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:47:38 AM EDT
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….and put the US military into close physical contact with the dudes who can literally wave a brick of $100 bills at NCOs and JOs. That's not a great solution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:47:38 AM EDT
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Probably a hell of a lot cheaper for our "go fast" guys to get live fire training in northern Mexico than shipping them all the way to the middle east.
My honest thoughts are that legalization of drugs is the only way to end the cartels. That much money can corrupt almost anyone it comes into contact with. Politician, military, businessman, et al. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:48:26 AM EDT
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There are thousands of current and former cartel members here in CONUS, and tens of thousands more of relatives of cartel members. Do you really think the US military can wipe out a cartel element in Mexico without our civilian population paying the price in blowback here in CONUS? Quote HistoryQuoted:
There are thousands of current and former cartel members here in CONUS, and tens of thousands more of relatives of cartel members. Do you really think the US military can wipe out a cartel element in Mexico without our civilian population paying the price in blowback here in CONUS? Quoted:
looking at an unwinnable war. 
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:49:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:49:31 AM EDT
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JSOC can handle the cartel pretty easy if they got the green light Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That situation sounds like a shit sandwich. Guessing the authorities ain't doing much? Very little law enforcement activities take place when the Mexican cops are afraid of finding their families tortured or killed in ways that would make a Saw movie seem humanitarian. There is no easy answer to the cartel situation. The cartels have tacit approval from most Mexican authorities, are extremely well armed, have absolutely no restraint in terms of rules of engagement, and have a near limitless supply of labor. Fighting back against the cartels is the stuff action movies are made of, and the cartels recover from any loses so quickly that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. There are thousands of current and former cartel members here in CONUS, and tens of thousands more of relatives of cartel members. Do you really think the US military can wipe out a cartel element in Mexico without our civilian population paying the price in blowback here in CONUS? The cartels are estimated to have around half a million people in their direct employment. We have around 2 million armed forces, including reservists, and just under one million sworn law enforcement officers. Even if we pulled every military service member back from overseas, activated every eligible reservist, you're still looking at an unwinnable war. Our border is porous, we have an unknown number of enemy combatants already spread out inside our nation, and while we may honor civilized rules of engagement, the enemy does not. It would be impossible to maintain offensive operations while simultaneously protecting the families of law enforcement and military personnel. The cartels are not stupid. Americans will tolerate all levels of barbarism, so long as it remains south of the border. The cartels know this, they also know they have us by the short and curly hairs. So long as they keep the worst of the violence on their side of the border, Americans will continue not to care, and the cartels will continue to grow in size and power. Even though they can cause extreme damage to us if we chose to fight them directly, it would be bad for business and would not serve their interests to bring on such a fight. Eventually the cartels will converge into a more cohesive and unified front. When that happens, all bets are off. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:50:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ….and put the US military into close physical contact with the dudes who can literally wave a brick of $100 bills at NCOs and JOs. That's not a great solution. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:50:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you're immune to that same thing? |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:51:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:52:02 AM EDT
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This was a hit. This was a hit to trigger chaos. Watch the waterfall of events and talking points that come from this. In fact, my tin foil is already wrapped tight with the PV Epstein vid today so I'll go ahead and say that Mitt Romeny played a hand in this. With Mormons being involved, border politics, and his dislike for Trump and subservience to the DNC communists my money is on him being involved to a varying degree here. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:52:15 AM EDT
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Last time Mexico got our help was Øbama and Fast and Furious. That was a smashing success.
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:52:49 AM EDT
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so romney is sacrificing a bunch of his own people? he's a piece of shit, but not that big of a one. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:52:59 AM EDT
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Wikipedia says these people are a violent cult - any truth to this? I'm guessing this is just a smear campaign against religious people they don't like Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wikipedia says these people are a violent cult - any truth to this? I'm guessing this is just a smear campaign against religious people they don't like A dispute over water between the LeBaron "family" and neighboring peasants belonging to El Barzon broke out in violence when members of the family shot at a group of 500 peasants who wanted to destroy illegal wells on the ranch.[38] In May 2018 El Barzon accused the LeBaron family and other large agribusinesses of violating a 1957 agreement by drilling 395 illegal wells in Namiquipa, Riva Palacio, Buenaventura, and Ahumada municipalities. They are also accused of using false documents to back their claims.
Reads like propaganda, though water rights is a tense topic everywhere. Highly likely there's a grain of truth to the claim. Sounds like they drive off a rioting mob that wanted to steal their shit under a minor pretense, if you ask me. Probably a mob on cartel payroll, seeing as cartels have been pulling agricultural interests into their portfolio. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:53:57 AM EDT
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Some good news-
All of the injured kids were transported to Tucson, there was concern they would be sent to a Mexican hospital, fortunately that didn’t happen. It looks like the death toll is 7 kids and 3 adults. The wounded kids will be ok, whatever that means. Donald Trump is communicating directly with the family. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:54:08 AM EDT
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Anyone with a the most basic understanding of Syria knows why. ISIS controlled the oil wells and used the revenue to fund genocide. Who ever controls those oil wells gets the revenue. Do you want Jihadi's to get the money and start this cycle all over again? https://i.imgur.com/IorG4Gu.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Right now, we have American forces patrolling Syrian oil fields. The vast majority of Americans are wondering why they are there. ISIS controlled the oil wells and used the revenue to fund genocide. Who ever controls those oil wells gets the revenue. Do you want Jihadi's to get the money and start this cycle all over again? https://i.imgur.com/IorG4Gu.png |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:55:00 AM EDT
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NOTHING will change until our politicians children are the one killed and burned. The slimy bastards are making money off the cartels. No doubt.
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:55:47 AM EDT
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An all out war would be foolish and probably unwinnable.
However a targeted strike and rescue team to try and save RIGHT NOW any other Americans that were kidnapped and potentially alive NEEDS TO HAPPEN. If Mexico doesn't want our help so be it, but we should be taking care of our own regardless of what they say. Send them in NOW. Save our people and burn alive anyone responsible. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:56:14 AM EDT
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Probably a hell of a lot cheaper for our "go fast" guys to get live fire training in northern Mexico than shipping them all the way to the middle east. My honest thoughts are that legalization of drugs is the only way to end the cartels. That much money can corrupt almost anyone it comes into contact with. Politician, military, businessman, et al. Want to hear a weird one? Avocados Yep, they manipulate and control lots of people, land, and production...of freakin avocados because of the big boom in popularity and all the money being made from them |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:56:45 AM EDT
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"President Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador thanked Trump for the offer of assistance, but said Mexico would act with "independence and sovereignty" in pursuing the criminals behind the attack." Though, things could change considering AMLO doesn't want any further bloodshed. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:57:28 AM EDT
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Some good news- All of the injured kids were transported to Tucson, there was concern they would be sent to a Mexican hospital, fortunately that didn’t happen. It looks like the death toll is 7 kids and 3 adults. The wounded kids will be ok, whatever that means. Donald Trump is communicating directly with the family. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:57:33 AM EDT
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Snatch the Mexican president - yeah, THAT would help the overall situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The US military will be fighting the Cartels in Mexico within 24 months, just to keep it on that side of the border. That is my prediction and I hope I'm wrong. In short, there is no reason for us to tolerate a weak nation like Mexico on our border putting the likes of him in charge. We've toppled governments for far less in the past. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:58:43 AM EDT
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This is the same family whose patriarch was beaten to death in front of them by cartels 10 years ago. Silly to think this was "random". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_LeBaron Benjamín "Benji" Franklin LeBaron Ray (October 4, 1976 – July 7, 2009) was an anti-crime activist and community leader in a Colonia LeBaron community, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico, who had founded the advocacy group SOS Chihuahua (Sociedad Organizada Segura or Secure Organized Society). LeBaron, 32 and a citizen of both Mexico and the United States, was murdered along with his brother-in-law Luis Carlos "Wiso" Widmar Stubbs, 29, on 7 July 2009, by a group of assailants. After LeBaron's death, the movement has operated without a single figurehead. Mexico has strict gun control laws but began to train and supervise armed citizen's patrols among the Chihuahua religious enclaves. This would be an extension of an existing program that trains members of remote Mexican indigenous tribes to man such patrols. SOS Chihuahua's media contact, Karyn Longhurst of Nuevo Casas Grandes, Chihuahua, said the group desires rapid response to kidnappings (presently the police must await a police report's being filed), the forfeiture of the assets of convicted kidnappers, mechanisms for reparations to victims, tightening of judicial and sentencing loopholes used by those suspected or convicted of kidnapping, increased prosecutions and punishments for those aiding and abetting kidnapping, including through official corruption Benjamin was killed on July 7, 2009 by a local drug cartel. Benjamin was captured and beaten by the cartel, which included 10 men, all armed, in front of his family. They terrorized the wife and children and took him outside. When one of his brothers-in-law, Luis Widmar, heard the commotion, he ran to help Benjamin. They were both taken by the cartel and were later found beaten and shot to death outside of town. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 11:59:19 AM EDT
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Some good news- All of the injured kids were transported to Tucson, there was concern they would be sent to a Mexican hospital, fortunately that didn’t happen. It looks like the death toll is 7 kids and 3 adults. The wounded kids will be ok, whatever that means. Donald Trump is communicating directly with the family. SCW, sorry for your loss. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:01:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The family in this attack was traveling a few miles south of where another armed group went into the bordertown and shot it up. The family were traveling in a convoy of 3 SUVs, there really is a big possibility this was an accident. The ambush was going to kill whomever drove into it, it just happened to be two car-loads of women and kids. Also, it appears they had all of them get out of the car before they were shot to death. Some reports the women were raped first, but I don't know if that's been substantiated. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:01:49 PM EDT
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Don't know if this was posted already:
14 in the group, 9 dead (3 adult women, 6 children ages >1yr to 14), 5 still in hospital is the US. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:02:39 PM EDT
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Some good news- All of the injured kids were transported to Tucson, there was concern they would be sent to a Mexican hospital, fortunately that didn't happen. It looks like the death toll is 7 kids and 3 adults. The wounded kids will be ok, whatever that means. Donald Trump is communicating directly with the family. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The crazy thing is, that cartels will seek to control ANYTHING that makes money. Want to hear a weird one? Avocados Yep, they manipulate and control lots of people, land, and production...of freakin avocados because of the big boom in popularity and all the money being made from them Wait... |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:05:27 PM EDT
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A wise move would be for the US federal government to legalize marijuana and remove a chunk of cartel revenue. Instead, I predict we will see a doubling-down on the War On Drugs, which will increase revenue to the cartels and provide increased opportunity for corruption in the US. I'd love to be wrong though. Fuck them up good and be done with it for a while. I don't have personal knowledge, but it might be like fighting the mob. Hard and fast to make sure they know we ain't digging it. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:05:38 PM EDT
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The President is connected to the cartels and Trump is putting pressure on him by calling him out. The mexico President is forced to initiate a large response to the situation or appear to be the problem to the Mexico people. It just needs to look good and not hurt his stake holders (cartel).
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:06:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm reminded that Nancy Pelosi saw the "spark of divinity" in the people who did this.
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:06:55 PM EDT
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Story just came up on OAN / national news. "Pres. Trump on American family killed in Mexico: U.S. stands ready to 'wage war'"
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:07:08 PM EDT
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Wikipedia says these people are a violent cult - any truth to this? I'm guessing this is just a smear campaign against religious people they don't like Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wikipedia says these people are a violent cult - any truth to this? I'm guessing this is just a smear campaign against religious people they don't like A dispute over water between the LeBaron "family" and neighboring peasants belonging to El Barzon broke out in violence when members of the family shot at a group of 500 peasants who wanted to destroy illegal wells on the ranch.[38] In May 2018 El Barzon accused the LeBaron family and other large agribusinesses of violating a 1957 agreement by drilling 395 illegal wells in Namiquipa, Riva Palacio, Buenaventura, and Ahumada municipalities. They are also accused of using false documents to back their claims. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:09:40 PM EDT
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The President is connected to the cartels and Trump is putting pressure on him by calling him out. The mexico President is forced to initiate a large response to the situation or appear to be the problem to the Mexico people. It just needs to look good and not hurt his stake holders (cartel). |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:10:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at all. My point was that "garrison the border" is a solution that generates as many problems as it would address....and would have knock-on effects that don't involve the Border. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:11:47 PM EDT
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I don’t doubt that, I’m sure theres a few but not thousands and I’m sure they keep that a secret, this isn’t mexico and cartel members aren’t wanted here and they know that. Some appear legit until you do a little research. I don't want to go into it here, but the trail goes all the way to Washington for some. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:12:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We will see, I guess, how good he is at pulling off the appearance of action without any substance. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:13:17 PM EDT
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Right now, we have American forces patrolling Syrian oil fields. The vast majority of Americans are wondering why they are there. One could argue, a limited American SF presence in N. Mexico hunting drug cartel HVIs would have vastly more felt significance in the US and Mexico, aid in stemming the illegal immigrant flow, and would look great for the administration. But Mexican corruption and pride makes operations there already a non-starter. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:14:47 PM EDT
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An all out war would be foolish and probably unwinnable. However a targeted strike and rescue team to try and save RIGHT NOW any other Americans that were kidnapped and potentially alive NEEDS TO HAPPEN. If Mexico doesn't want our help so be it, but we should be taking care of our own regardless of what they say. Send them in NOW. Save our people and burn alive anyone responsible. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 12:16:00 PM EDT
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Send those videos to that fucking traitor Romney. Show him what his policies will bring to the US |
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